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Schadenfreude, Sanity And Toon's Civil Wor

Posted by on September 5, 2008 3:08 PM | 

TYNE Tees rang and asked if someone from the Gazette could do an interview on the soap opera shennanigans at Sid James' and in the interest of spreading brand awareness of what is now, after all, a multi-platform 24 hour operation (and the chance to score a few easy banter points) I agreed.

So, 6pm, tonight then. Sky Plus it. If you missed it or it was edited down to show 20 seconds of cynical gloating (although I doubt they'd need that as they had already done a vox pop in Sunderland) here are the high-lights of what I said:

Far from the "you couldn't script it could you?" cliche repeatedly rolled out by the incredulous and permanently surprised, the current car crash was in fact totally predictable. From the moment the misfing Messiah was lured back as second choice after 'Arry turned it down (and pocketed a decent wedge of a payrise for showing his lotalty to Pompey) it has been an accident waiting to happen.

Poor Keegan is a decent bloke and emotionally honest but his constant populist grand-standing to the gallery about how Newcastle was centred on the fans, that the club was special and the crowd was its biggest asset was totally at odds with the reality. And the reality is that it is just another investment vehicle for just another an out-of-town businessman with no cultural or emotional links or understanding of the team or the crowd or the area and who arrived with pound signs blazing in his eyes at the prospect of the Premier League's overseas TV rights cashcade. Ashley's takeover was a cold hard business move by a Spurs fan looking for a ready seller of a well known but under-performing brand.

The club is dysfunctional and has been for years. Since the sleight of hand of "democratising" the club for the Geordie Nation ended up with a small clique in control, Newcastle United has been a pressure cooker. Expectations have been artificially inflated, a succession of managers have been sacked for not delivering the impossible - and usually on or around deadline day after being allowed to spend a fortune first on players the next manager wouldn't want, and the board have been estranged from the supporters who despite still simmering with resentment after the 'Mary Poppins/shirt scam/women are dogs-gate' still make a virtue of turning up no matter what in vast numbers while deep down knowing they are being taken for mugs.

To add a headstrong and volitile manager hugely popular with those supporters to that mix was madness. It was like taking a flask of nitroglycerine on the dodgems. If the owners thought they could use his universal popularity with the punters as a shield for their business plan they were short-sighted to the point of stupidity. And when they compounded that basic error by bringing in a vastly unpopular man (and that is throughout football, not just in Newcastle) with a distinctively unimpressive dug-out record above the head of the Messiah they engineered a tectonic fault line with more inherent potential friction than San Andreas. The only surprise was that it didn't blow sooner.

But that structural paralysis is Newcastle's problem - and one that despite the collective emotional incontinence on display from the flip-flop waving flashmob gathered outside Shearers' Bar they have correctly identified with their demands that Wise must go. That won't solve the current crisis but it will assuage the anger and could prevent a repeat.

As the cameras whirred I went on to say that once the effect of eight pints of Schaudenfreude and the aching ribs from the regional banter and baiting had faded, then it must be seen as good news for Boro, if only because one of the main rivals in the Premiership's third tier have suffered a self-inflicted gunshot injury in their size nines. The only surprise is that their foot wasn't in their mouths at the time.

But for Boro fans, apart from the potential for the mandatory cruel humour in the situation, the one thing that should leap out is a kneejerk vote of thanks for Steve Gibson. In a week of madness in football with big money buyouts beyond comprehension and transfer fee hyper-inflation that makes Weimar Germany look like a model of prudence, Boro have shone out as a beacon of boring moderation and sensible strategic planning. A rational wage structure, a successful long term investment in the academy project, a clear vision shared by chairman, boss - and increasingly by the fans - and a rock solid guarantee of managerial security based on reasonable investment and achievable targets.

Boro are "an island of sanity in a sea of madness," as one perceptive blogger said on the Deadline Day thread. The crazy institutional ineptitude shown by Newcastle stands out in sharp contrast with Boro's low key stability, commitment to continuity and a realistic and sustainable model that holds out hope for the future. That model does not include spending vast sums of money that isn't there, betting the farm on the elusive prospect of future profit, loading the club with crippling debt, angling to sell out our heritage to a billionaire foreign chancer or lop-sided management structures that undermine the manager. Nor is it based on kneejerk reactions, washing dirty linen in public or tacky populism... you can't see Gibbo waddling around the Emirates in a replica top gurning with a pint glass in hand.

The turmoil and unseemly civil wor currently raging in Tyneside should make Boro supporters feel relief, quiet pride and gratitude. That's what I said for the cameras. How much of that will make the cut among the wall-to-wall stottifest I don't know but it bears repeating.

Comments (41)

steve h wrote...

that's the best you've ever written

**AV writes: Aw, shucks... unless you're saying the rest is rubbish!

Posted by: steve h  | September 5, 2008 9:21 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

You were right about your 20 seconds. Shame. Some good points there that would have had them choking on their greggs pasties. "Flip flop waving flashmob." very funny.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | September 5, 2008 11:23 PM

Jordan wrote...

Xmas just gets earlier and earlier doesnt it? B&Q are selling christmas trees, christmas cards are everywhere and in Newcastle its pantomime season once again.

Thought you'd appreciate that AV.

Posted by: Jordan  | September 6, 2008 1:12 AM

Peter Collins wrote...

The club will be under new ownership and Keegan will be re-instated as boss next week.


Nailed on certainty!

Posted by: Peter Collins  | September 6, 2008 9:39 AM

dave wrote...

i hope it wasn't a typo, but the 'civil wor' tag - magic.

Posted by: dave  | September 6, 2008 9:52 AM

Richard wrote...

AV: Nice job - on several dimensions.

Posted by: Richard  | September 6, 2008 11:14 AM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

Newcastle have just announced that this Christmas's Nativity play has been cancelled.

Reason quoted is that the Messaiah has stomped off and they only have one wise man and 11 donkeys.

Sorry guys, couldn't resist it......

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | September 6, 2008 11:16 AM

CroydonBoro wrote...

I would suggest people read (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/feb/01/sport.comment) this very interesting article concerning kevin Keegan's finance's before drawing conclusions as to Keegan's reasons for returning to his other 'soccer circus'.

Rather then returning because he wanted to save NUFC from a fate worse than Big Sam, it's possible to infer he returned to use his not inconsiderable salary to prop up his ailing business interests.

Having spent a reported three days arguing with the board. The board refuse to sack him so they wouldn't have to pay him off, a pay off he desperately needs. Rather than walking out immediately, is it possible he weighed up the lie of the land and thought resigning and counter suing for constructive dismissal the best way of achieivng a big pay day to prop up his other interests?

This scenario would make him, rather than a (failed) saviour of Sid James, but just another employee looking to cash in on the club he still professes to love. He becomes a new Charlie Amer.

It's a thought that makes me smile.. I would love to know what our friendly neighbourhood lurking mag thinks of this..

Posted by: CroydonBoro  | September 6, 2008 11:23 AM

Aberdeen Brian wrote...

I'm not going to gloat over the Newcastle fans, well not at this time anyway.

In fact, as a football fan, I feel rather sorry for other fans who are suffering for non-football related reasons.

It's true what you said about outsiders, with no deep feelings for the club, coming in and riding roughshod over the sensibilities of any club's lifeblood - the supporters.

You can keep your billionaires and their promises of the world NOW, I'll stick to watching an honest team at an honest club.

It's one thing to rub it in when your team has just put one over your opponents, but there but for the grace of Gibbo....

Posted by: Aberdeen Brian  | September 6, 2008 12:17 PM

Denis wrote...

The more we go about our business in a quiet, professional manner, the more likelihood of success for us.The structure of the club is simplicity itself and we are all pulling in the same direction, if things go wrong as they will, we still need to remain together, its the only way we can challenge the wealth and resources of the bigger clubs.As for Newcastle I am staggered that a man like Ashley has made so much money, when he commits the basic managment mistake of appointing two people to do the same job and then spend their time wrestling for overall control. It was a scenario that could only end in tears. I wonder if Viduka is thinking he should have remained here but for his greed?

Posted by: Denis  | September 6, 2008 1:46 PM

mark wrote...

In these days of global warmimg i thank newcastle (dis)united> You can always see when the season changes as that is when they go looking for a new manager. In true form KK goes and then the first storm of the autumn arrives. In with the new and out with the old.

That said I do feel sorry for Keegan. In truth he was not the messiah, just a very naughty boy. A man who wears his heart in sleeve for all to see, has pride and passion.

I do hope that whoever takes over the laughing stock to the north gives him another crack at it.

Like Mourinho, football is worse off without him. For the journalists you always got a nibble from him to the fans he was one of your own.

Thank God our club have got local pride,local belief and a local lad in SG at the helm.

GS has spent 9? years here - he is just working on the accent now, and he could be classed as one of our own too.

Posted by: mark  | September 6, 2008 1:50 PM

Neil M wrote...

What's the big deal? A company does a management restructure and brings in a well paid suit above the staff who do the real work, so what? It happens in my business all the time. We can't all be storming off in a huff. You've just got to get on with it.

And you certainly can't be going in and demanding the big boss sacks the very man he has brought in or you'll walk. Go on then son, there's the door.

Compare the reaction at Newcastle with the one at West Ham where Curbishley resigned for exactly the same reason. There's no over emotional crowds of fat lads crying and burning their XXXXXXL shirts down there. They are just moving on, replacing him and looking forward.

Why do the Geordies feel the need to blub in public and make themselves the centre of attention. They wear their own emotional fragility as a badge of honour while the rest of the country laughs out of embarrassment. Worse than scousers.

Is it any wonder they are a failure of a club if everytime there is a problem they are outside the Strawberry with their torches and pitch forks demanding the board be sacked?

It is not as if this "Messiah" is any good. How many games was it before he won last year? 13?

I hope this festers for weeks, rips the club apart and is a massive distraction and gets them relegated. Then he can come back under the next owners and work his miracles in the Championship.

Posted by: Neil M  | September 6, 2008 2:50 PM

John Powls wrote...

Don't want to waste any more cyberspace on the Barcodes. Whatever the cost of posting it's too much to spend any more on the only surprise being that anyone is surprised.

But on the Boro and MFC front I agree with what you've said about the refinements to the business model that has proved so successful over the last 20 plus years.

I think you can add to them the sensible stuff that Neil Bausor is doing commercially to build the ties between MFC and Boro fans.

As you know, AV, I'd add just one thing to what is already there - a Boro Supporters' Trust.

The general objects of a Trust are so close to how Gibbo, The Count and Neil Bausor talk about the relationship between the club and the town and the fans that they could be interchangeable.

So many trusts are born out of adversity for clubs or because the relationship between club and fans has broken down.

Why can't MFC and Boro fans buck that trend as they have, successfully, with much else. It would be another step to forging an unbeatable partnership of town and club built on stength and not some kind of implied criticism or attempt at an alternate organisation.

Whilst I'm on about fans, can I register my disappointment with the size of the crowd for the Stoke game.

Compared with the turn out for Spurs it leaves us open to the criticism I've heard from visiting ManUre fans - that a percentage of our home crowd are turning up to watch the opposition.

Posted by: John Powls  | September 6, 2008 4:06 PM

Bob Waeltermann wrote...

Makes me proud as punch to be a Boro fan .... although a distant one.

Bob Waeltermann
St. Louis, Missouri USA

Posted by: Bob Waeltermann  | September 6, 2008 4:28 PM

Teesside Based Lurking Mag wrote...

"I would love to know what our friendly neighbourhood lurking mag thinks of this.."

Keegan was obviously and deviously undermined by Ashley and Wise. The country knew something was up after KK's u-turn on the Milner sale.

Up to this point, I wasn't too bothered because (to reuse and pinch one of your sayings) this was just typical Newcastle.

After reading that Ashley and co had made ALL the team available for sale on deadline day and that he had tried to sell Michael Owen "to his real team" Spurs on the cheap, I have now decided the Ashley is not to be trusted and must go ASAP and take that 'orrible little barrow boy Dennis with him.

Newcastle's squad is dangerously low of defenders and what does Dennis Wise do, he sanctions the signing of another centre forward although we already have five of them, and the little maggot failed to deliver a left back despite KK saying we needed one for months.

However, I will not wave my "flip flops" in the air over this affair and I will not walk around with a banner with a nonsensical silly word written on it.

A lot of people in the country are laughing at Keegan and saying "Oh dear, he's walked again" but in my opinion it would have been spineless and wrong for him to stay at Newcastle just to be a yes man and a puppet to Ashley. The nearly blanket support for KK over Ashley & co by the media surely bears this out.

That the same thing has happened at "Wist 'am" is just a sign of the times and confirmation that the game is being taken away from the people. The sad thing though as that it will very probably happen again somewhere else very soon.

Here's to the next self inflicted balls up!


**AV writes: Credit it to you for being so honest about the situation.

Posted by: Teesside Based Lurking Mag  | September 6, 2008 4:30 PM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

AV, excellent stuff, up there with the best. I loved the line, and the context “…they engineered a tectonic fault line with more inherent potential friction than San Andreas…�. Classic writing.

Amid the carnage at other clubs, amid the obscenity of ridiculous take-overs, coming out of this thread is the gushing praise for Steve Gibson. Quite rightly too.

It is sad that there were many who were, unbelievably, calling for his head earlier this year. And possibly, even worse, there were some who even questioned his business acumen (I have no idea on what basis that impression was formed, or how the critics are qualified to do so)

OK there may be have to be further investment into the club to sustain our position in the PL, there may possibly be weaknesses in Steve Gibson’s and his management teams approach, but the PL monster has gone mad and who can say what is the correct approach? A board of directors can only adopt a strategy that they believe is the correct forward for the business and stick with it.

I recall the words of the Bradford chairman a few years ago, following relegation from the PL, and the subsequent financial meltdown. He said that he knew it was wrong to buy top players to search for instant success, he knew it was wrong to pay huge wages to Stan Collymore, that all his business experience told him not to do it..…but it was what the PL demanded. I felt sorry for the man. He sold his soul, only to fail. Steve Gibson, I’m sure will never do that.

We can only stand back and admire Gibbo’s refusal to panic buy and/or to sell out in the face of insanity. It is clear that his business head, and that of his management team, is in good shape, no matter what some Boro sceptics may think. Whilst it admirable, lets trust that this approach is good enough to help us move forward as a stable and successful PL club. But if it is not, I honestly believe I would rather see us in the Championship than destroy the heart and soul of the club and of the true fans by selling out to a foreign billionaire. Our club is in good hands.

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | September 6, 2008 5:41 PM

steve h wrote...

Nah, I'm not saying the rest is rubbish. It's good. Although I do remember wondering if you'd had a few before you wrote that "Selling Luke Young is a disaster" piece. :-)

Posted by: steve h  | September 6, 2008 6:25 PM

M. Sebastian T. wrote...

Well done Anthony, you are right on the mark with your comments.

It seems to me that a possible reason why people at Sid James Park are so daft at every opportunity is that you Smoggies have laid a pipeline to transfer your toxic air directly into the Newcastle city centre with branch lines to the homes of all their club officials, KK and players like Barton.

It must be because of that famous Yorkshire reserve that Boro fans are merely smug about the comparison with the Mugpies. However no such reservations apply on Wearside and in Durham. Sunderland fans can hardly stand straight these days because of the hilarity that events on Tyneside constantly create. Rumour has it that there are tears of laughter in the eyes of many people around the globe.

Keep the good writing up mate!

Posted by: M. Sebastian T.  | September 6, 2008 7:46 PM

nickc from Brisbane wrote...

Good article reflecting the farce that is Newcastle.The laughs this has generated to even this part of the world, with apparently bad spelling, shoe waving, "angry" and dangerously overweight fans is a sight to behold.Dont OFSTED audit Tyneside schools ?
I hope beyond hope the "Special K" goes back for a third time and continues the soap opera that they have become and will always be.

Posted by: nickc from Brisbane  | September 6, 2008 11:18 PM

Mohammad Abdullah wrote...

Hm, Harold Wilson said that a week is a long time in politics, apparently a month is the equivalent in football.

I note many of the board contributors are now throwing accolade after accolade in the way of Steve Gibson for his astute stewardship of the club, but this comes only a month or so after a majority of the 162 posts regarding Luke Young were criticising selling last year's best player in the week before the season started and you yourself AV stated that it was a high risk policy. Add to that eleven or so players have been shipped out and three brought in, one as direct result of selling the aforesaid Luke Young.

This is only a few months after one of the most shocking displays by a Boro team ever, in the Cup, coming after several seasons of under achieving under "rookie" managers and a gradual widening of disaffection between the fans and the club, reflected in empty red seats.

Now after six points in three games (one of which I feel we lost because of an injudicious substitution) all is bliss.

Sorry to rain on the parade, but we need more time to determine whether or not the Gibson policy will be successful, where it counts, in results on the field.

I for one hope so, what is being done, makes absolute sense, in living within a budget.

I watched the England Under 21 game, last Friday and was so proud to see three of the academy products, plus Wheater and Downing in the full England squad, magnificent testimony to the success of the academy and full credit to Mr. Gibson for his commitment to it.

I too feel proud that we were not caught up in the madness of the transfer day deadline.

I am not yet convinced that GS is up to the job, but I applaud the time and the support given from the chairman to him.

Perhaps too Mr Gibson saw the Cardiff defeat as a defining moment and has decided to steer a certain course. No club could have a better chairman, one who is brave enough to stand up against the agent system and the mis-application of rules for example and one who has, as I have said before given me my best ever moments of supporting the Boro.

However let's put things in perspective and I am sure Mr. Gibson would admit to a mistake or two on the journey thus far.

AV would it be too mischevious of me to ask how some of the contributors, fulsome in their praise for Mr, Gibson, would hand on heart, re-act if let us say the Emir of Qatar or Dubai suddenly took over the Boro and started spending squillions on players?

I hope I do not come across as a "cynic" or a "whinger" and no body would be happier than me to come onto this board and praise GS for his achievements, when they have occurred (and I say when, being an optimist, not if)!

**AV Writes: There have been many threads in which many posters HAVE called for outside investment and arguing that Gibson as a mere millionaire can't compete - it was one of last season's recurring themes - but I oppose those because it is not just about money but also about identity, unity, accountability and control.

The problem with a big money investor is that generally they want big money returns. Also they have no feelings for the history of a club or their role in the town. For instance, the first thing a big investor would do would be close down the academy (a long term cost with no guarantee of a return) and end the £9m a year (the most in the country)spent on health, education and inclusion projects with local schools and communities which are just a cost with no return.

No doubt many would be deliriously happy if Sheik Yermoney turned up now with a £100m cheque but I would not and I would say so.

As to Luke Young, it remains a gamble to loss experienced players and go into a season with such a young and thin squad and the real test will come if we get a few injuries or suspensions to key players. It has gone well so far and the team looks in good shape but how it responds in a wobble will be what counts.

That said, the overall policy of a young squad with a low cost base and a resale value cashed in at the right time remains a sensible one for a small club looking for a sustainable future in an ever more challenging environment.

Posted by: Mohammad Abdullah  | September 7, 2008 2:44 AM

John Powls wrote...

My only comment on yesterday's Eng-er-lund performance is to hope that Stewie has no adverse reaction to the stick he seems to be attracting from the usual sources that effects his performance for Boro.

Get back to Boro, Stewie and do what you do best for folks that appreciate you.

Posted by: John Powls  | September 7, 2008 1:44 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Great bit of writing AV,

The way you've described latest happenings at Newcastle reminds me of the best bits of a Carl Hiaasen paperback-satire and outrageous comedy in crime.

PS
I dont think we should have sold Luke Young,we could have done with Hoyte as well as Young! but apart from that I am pretty happy.

See you all at Pompy ! [ Don't trust match of the day to tell the full story, although they are getting better]

Up The BORO !

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | September 7, 2008 2:33 PM

steve h wrote...

"The problem with a big money investor is that generally they want big money returns."

Exactly. Why else would a stranger invest money in Boro? At the end of the day they want to make a profit. They don't put money into the club, they take it out!

"That said, the overall policy of a young squad with a low cost base and a resale value cashed in at the right time remains a sensible one for a small club looking for a sustainable future in an ever more challenging environment."

Spot on. It also must be said that it can only work if the Chairman gives the Manager time. There will be no instant success. Steve Gibson is probably the only chairman in the country with enough loyalty to pull this off.

Posted by: steve h  | September 7, 2008 4:52 PM

Nigel wrote...

I can't get too excited about what's happening up at sid James' although I also think AV has written a very entertaining piece which keeps us ticking over until Pompey.
My only thought is to acknowledge that what is happening in Barcode land and at West Ham does make me appreciate how well SG is running the Boro.
Picking up on John Powls point, I was also surprised and disapointed at the smallsize of the Stoke crowd, us Boro fans seem impossible to please!

Posted by: Nigel  | September 8, 2008 10:38 AM

Neil (USA) wrote...

The problems with outside investment are many. Perhaps one of the biggest is that there is only so much success to go around.

The top four will be hard to dislodge. Perhaps Man City can do it, but what if they don't? Bye bye Sparky? The way Sven was treated is exactly why any Boro fan should shudder at the thought of anyone buying our team.

If seven or eight (or more) teams attract this huge investment, I feel that some teams might "do a Leeds". They can't all qualify for the Champions league. Perhaps in a few years time, Liverpool's local derby will be against Tranmere Rovers.

My best friend over here in the States is a Forest fan....say no more.

There's only one way to stop this madness, and that's to borrow something from the states: a league-wide salary cap that would level the playing field a bit.

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | September 8, 2008 11:39 AM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Denis

Viduka? He should have stayed with a big club.......

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | September 8, 2008 3:32 PM

smoggy plumm wrote...

Well fellow smoggies, isn't it nice to see the so called biggest football club in the northeast in turmoil yet again?

I for one have no sympathy, at the start of every season we smoggies have to endure the rants and ravings of a few thousand Geordies with little more than blind faith and no credibilty saying their going to win this cup or that cup and qualify to join the elite in the champions league.

Isn't it about time the skunks woke up to smell the sweet scent of a chairman who loves his football team just as much as the ordinary fan... a manager and backroom staff dedicated to the cause and 22 players who are hungry for success, and fans rapidly believing great times are not to far away... yes im talking about the Boro... now the BIGGEST football club in the northeast.

Long may the self imploding laughing stock, joke of a football team called Newcastle United continue to be in turmoil, and AV your article is a great read. :)

Posted by: smoggy plumm  | September 8, 2008 5:28 PM

John Powls wrote...

Looks like Shawky's injury will give Digard his chance against Pompey.

No-one wants to see injuries but at least we have cover - albeit not in depth - and a young player who will doubtless want to make the place his own while Shawky is sidelined.

Some fault stopped me accessing the Gazette site or Boro Banter for the last couple of days. That postponed a rant about the return of Arca.

On the same point as above, there is too much assumption in what he says that he will walk back into the side, when fit.

On what basis?

Not his performances last season or in his limited pre-season. And who has not performed well enough to stand aside for him? No-one, in my view.

And, fit or not, there is no way - after the behaviour and performance of last season - that he should be let anywhere near the Mackems game.

I sincerely hope, also, that Malcolm Crosby has remembered who pays his wages now and that the run up to that game isn't littered with 'How much I loved my time at The Mackems' stories like last season.

Posted by: John Powls  | September 9, 2008 10:48 AM

bugrit wrote...

Fine article, AV, with interesting contributions from all around the world, no less.

Returning to the matter of clubs being acquired by rich individuals, I have no objections to anyone from anywhere owning a UK football club, provided the club continues to be run as a business. (In light of a certain individual's brief appearance on the scene, I suppose there should be a 'reputable' in there somewhere.)

However, when certain clubs can operate without regard for any financial considerations whatsoever, it invalidates the whole idea of running a competitive league. If, as seems possible, the new Man City owner adopts the Chelsea business model, we will have a couple of clubs competing with one another to buy the best that money can buy, free from all the normal financial constraints. I believe it's a recipe for disaster, not for the two clubs, but for top-flight football as a competitive game.

If the new Man City owner buys himself a Champions League spot, one of the four current participants will face a magnitude eight financial earthquake the following season. (Unless, of course, it's Chelsea.) Even financial giants Man Utd would struggle, never mind the other two. We all know that the Manchelarsepool monoply of the CL spots needed challenging but not like this.

I don't believe that capping player wages is the answer. That didn't work in the past and it won't work in the future and I suspect that it might not be legal, anyway. I see another way to deal with the problem, however and it's remarkably simple:

Penalise clubs that run unprofitably. We already have points deductions for clubs that go into administration so why not extend that to the carefree spenders? They would, after all, risk administration in the normal scheme of things.

Posted by: bugrit  | September 9, 2008 2:40 PM

geoff wrote...

how many episodes of the toon comedy shows are there, I think its better than the ones on TV.
I wonder how many fans there will be for there Hull game, the board won't care as the tickets have already been paid for. The board never suffers only the loyal fans.
Thank god for a loyal fan and owner.

Posted by: geoff  | September 9, 2008 9:23 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

SCHADENFREUDE – pleasure in others’ misfortunes.

SCHADENFRAUDE – pleasure in the fact that, in football, a lot of people are frauds.

And with absolutely no connection with the above, as I started to type this e-mail, I nearly fell off my chair to hear on Sky Sports News, one Peter Ridsdale of Cardiff City complaining about the billionaires’ money coming into the Premier League possibly making the whole thing uncompetitive.

He is “very concerned� about foreign ownership, about players who would have cost £8M a few years ago now costing £30M, and those in authority should sit down to debate where it is all going. He compared this to a Championship (aka Division 2 as we all knew it) in which any team could beat another. The same Mr Ridsdale who “lived the dream� when in charge at Leeds United, re-writing the way money was spent in the Top League. And then it all came crashing down and Leeds, as a club, is only now beginning to show signs of maybe coming back from the dead.

At some distant time, doctoral theses will be written drawing attention to apparently unassailable Premier League clubs mortgaging their future revenues to buy star players at inflated prices and paying unsustainable wages whilst renting expensive office equipment, all budgeted on the basis of the revenue that would follow IF the club could stay at the top. Worse still, buying average players at inflated prices etc. Only to find at the first failure to qualify for the Champions League that the reduced revenues then applying would fall increasingly short of the greater expenditure needed in an attempt to get back to the Land of Milk and Honey.

A poor boy spending money he doesn’t have in order to impress his friends, in a vain attempt to keep up with the wealthy Joneses, in the big house next door.

It’s all a little like the gambler who has lost a packet, putting next month’s mortgage on the 3.30 at Redcar in the hope of making good some of his losses, but losing again, and again. By now he’s lost the mortgage payment for the next six months, with no food in the larder, so when the bank loan becomes repayable for the Bentley that frankly looked silly parked outside the house in Broadway West….does he have it “stolen�, does he see what he can get down the pub for the kids’ iPod for a last gamble to get it all back, or does he admit defeat? Realistically, it could only ever end in tears.

The same doctoral thesis might draw attention to the similar errors in the business plan that underpinned the “sub-prime� mortgage market in the USA and the way some of our large financial institutions have operated for the last few years in the UK. It is always easy to be wise after the event.

But I suspect, AV, your parents taught you not to spend what you don’t have (that is, after all, the prerogative of your wife), and taught you that “if it appears too good to be true, it probably isn’t true at all�. Greed and ambition sometimes blind people. They gamble when they can’t afford it.

So, back to the theme, well done so far on a sensible plan of campaign by those in charge of our club in difficult financial times. A sustainable plan can be tweaked, will not make us European champions in the next few years, but is at least compatible with our continued existence as a club whilst giving a chance of our making steady if unspectacular progress.

We are all happy to be owned by a wealthy supporter who now has more experience than many club chairmen and has the club’s interests at heart. In a perfect world it would be great if SG suddenly discovered he had more money which might assist, since everyone else behind the big clubs tend not to be merely rich these days but obscenely rich or in control of some sovereign wealth fund. There is, however, a price to be paid to those investing countless millions from OUTSIDE.

Like others I have the odd gripe about things at the Boro. I suspect that Gareth and that SG have the odd gripe, too. However I believe we all want the same thing (I just hope they forgive the occasional knee-jerk reaction that follows a disappointment on the field – honest lads, it’s just like the player making a rash tackle or reacting to a disallowed goal, it shows I care! I try to count to ten, first. I try to be measured, and not to be offensive. I also reserve the right to be wrong on occasions!).

At the end of the day those who invest millions in a club whose existence they have only just discovered expect their investment to make a profit. Football is not an inherently profitable business apart from a very few successful clubs, and by definition only a few clubs can be successful at any one time. Then the investors want their money back, or might just lose interest as another more profitable venture beckons. Sadly, that might be at a time when it isn’t convenient to the club, so players have to be sold at a lower price or leaving the squad with no cover etc. One of the club’s feet is then stuck in the plughole, and financial then playing disaster follow.

Football supporters tend to follow their club for life. That is an emotional investment. Financial investments, on the other hand, are much more short term.

In the scheme of things the financial downfall of a football club, whilst disappointing for those who follow the club, is perhaps not as devastating as the collapse of major banking institutions, or the possible onset of a national or international recession (which might mean major employers going out of business, pensions not being paid, repossession of the family home, loss of employment, a child not able to pursue educational ambitions because of the costs, the break up a marriage as a result of financial pressures etc).

The club might be able to recover next year, or in a few years and the football in a lower division might be exciting and competitive with the hope of a return to the big time. However the financial problems for a football club still have consequences for the supporters and their general well-being (the opposite of those stories of increased industrial productivity on Wearside as Sunderland approached its Wembley FA Cup triumph in 1973).

Apologies, Vic, I had intended to write something else, but I was diverted by the Ridsdale interview, and it just ran away with me. So this will have to do.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | September 10, 2008 12:48 AM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Bugrit, the players' individual wages would not be capped, but the team would have an overall limit that could not be exceeded. So teams could still reward their star with a lavish contract, but teams like Chelsea wouldn't be able to pay more than the limit. The limit would force all teams to spend wisely.

It seems to work in American sports. For example the salary cap (and other methods) keep American football teams somewhat equal, but the well managed teams seem to do well year after year.

I'm not sure that the premier league alone can act here. A UEFA rule might be needed.

Something has to be done. Let's be honest, the league is becoming somewhat boring. The most excitement we can hope for (in the league) is a top half finish...hopefully pushing for a Euro spot.

I think the present make-up of the league is also hurting our national game. A few years ago, I stopped really caring how "English" teams do in Europe because they aren't really English...and then we wonder why our national team struggles to impress.

Back to the skunks. The current plight of our northern neighbors highlights the worst aspects of the modern football climate. Newcastle fans are as passionate about their club as anyone, yet they are not as important to Ashley as his greed.

As another poster put it, "there but for the grace of Gibbo".

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | September 10, 2008 3:58 AM

bugrit wrote...

Neil (USA), I think we're proposing pretty much the same thing, in effect. Whilst you would have a cap on the wages bill, I would penalise any club that operates in such a way that it could never survive without its sugar daddy. I believe they are effectively the same thing and I have already proposed a wages bill cap, myself, in another place.

However, I now favour extending provisions that are already in place, rather than creating new ones. If the penalty is thirty points for going into administration what should the penalty be for risking the same financial meltdown, should sugar-daddy lose interest? Any junior auditor will be able to identify a club employing the sugar daddy business model, just from a quick perusal of the accounts. It's simpler, I think.

Posted by: bugrit  | September 10, 2008 3:32 PM

Nigel wrote...

John - I agree, I can't see Arca being a regular this season in midfield. With O'Neil playing well and both Shawky and Digard in good form his opportunities are going to be limited. He'll be good cover to have in the squad and my bet is he'll be gone in the summer. He doesn't fit Southgate's specification of 'fast and dynamic'.

Posted by: Nigel  | September 10, 2008 4:45 PM

John Powls wrote...

Good to see young Williams doing well for Wales.

Phil and I were impressed with his displays at centre back in The Algarve Tournament and he has shown he can do a covering job at right back too.

Results aside, fingers crossed for an injury free evening for Boro internationals tonight.

Posted by: John Powls  | September 10, 2008 6:42 PM

Ken wrote...

FYI - Out here we have Turkey-Belgium on TV instead of England, so I am probably the only Boro fan to see that Tuncay was substituted in minute 12 due to injury - no contact involved.

Posted by: Ken  | September 10, 2008 9:09 PM

BPG wrote...

Just a thought - maybe we should approach Arsenal and enquire about their young right winger who can't get a game every week - Walcott I think is his name!!

Posted by: BPG  | September 11, 2008 1:30 AM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Bugrit, I agree that our ideas are pretty much the same. Good point about the teams in administration versus the sugar daddy teams. Some kind of limits need to be imposed.

Anyway, good to see that my mention of the declining national game prompted the best performance since the 5-1 drubbing of Germany in Munich!

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | September 11, 2008 2:35 AM

Allan in Bahrain wrote...

We are missing one fact. On the day we and most of the other teams have a chance of beating anyone. Do the maths - if we won every game except those against the big 6 we would end up with 78 points and be in the Champions league so we are already on target!!!

Posted by: Allan in Bahrain  | September 11, 2008 7:31 AM

John Powls wrote...

Following straight on from my posting about getting through injury free Ken's posting about a knee injury for Tuncay with no other player involved sounds ominous.

Let's hope not.

I'm glad I'm not in Eng-er-lund at the moment to suffer the puke making hypocrits of the tabloid hacks slavering over last night's win with the same relish as they were drooling over what form of vegetable to label the manager with after last Saturday.

Doubtless the predictions are now for an Eng-er-lund win in 2010.

Anyhow, the formless desert of an international break is now almost at an end - thank goodness - and we can get away from Eng-er-lund and the Skunks and back to what really matters; Boro in the Prem.

I presume that Gate will only have Friday to see who he has fit and put together the squad for Saturday.

It doesn't look as though he can go same again this time anyway so it will be interesting to see who he picks for a game we won last season. An away draw would be a good result in the circs this time round.

Posted by: John Powls  | September 11, 2008 9:55 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

You go away for a couple of weeks only to find King Kev has walked, Citeh taken over by people even richer than John Powls, England win two in a row and Boro 6th in the table.

My lad watched the England game and reported Downing did not over impress. With that nice Mr Elliott no longer around that may well see Stewie safe for a while. Let us hope for a good response this afternoon.

Like John I was a bit disappointed about the attendance for the Stoke match, I believe they brought a good number with them.

Saw some highlights of the Stoke match and it looked like Turbull has shed a few pounds.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | September 13, 2008 2:22 PM

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