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Steely Boro Pass Stoke Test

Posted by on August 31, 2008 12:22 AM | 

UNTYPICAL Boro? Last year Boro would have lost that game. Either because they would not have recovered physically from the early aerial assault as a long ball outfit grabbed the game by the throat and turned it into a toe-to-toe war of attrition and would have wilted and leaked under pressure, or because they would not have recovered mentally from the blows of missing the penalty and then leaking an own goal. Last year after the set-back of the oggie they would have unravelled in the closing stages and also conceded a last gasp winner.

It is easy to criticise if you really want: Boro let a limited side set the agenda for the first half hour and allowed themselves to be dragged into a scrappy, shapeless tussle that was a hostile environment for the silky stuff that is our forte and they squandered a string of good chances to seal it. Alves looked like he was carrying a fake Brazilian passport as he headed wide and stumbled over the ball early doors. O'Neil and Shawky, industrious and unflustered at Anfield, were ineffective and chaotic in the middle in the high-tempo hectic first half. Justin Hoyte struggled at times as high rise Stoke threw the ball forward. And at times it was far from pretty.

But the win over Stoke - the kind of a game that historically Boro as favourites would have under-performed in before being caught cold and losing - shows a new toughness and determination. They showed patience, resilience and steel. Psychologically it was a massive result for the team and for the crowd. A defeat would have sent the faint hearts and cynics scurrying for the comfortable certainties of historical mediocrity. In fact the crowd stayed patient and determined themselves, they cheered Stewie Downing passionately and supportively after he missed the penalty, a symbolic vocal arm around the shoulder, and who stayed and cheered to the end, even at the expense of beating the traffic.

Comments (22)

Neil (USA) wrote...

Agree entirely, AV. No doubt the nay-sayers will be out in force, criticizing the performance, but we got three points. Still too early to get too excited, but I'd have taken six points from the first three games at the beginning of the season. The next three fixtures will give us more of an idea of what we're made of.

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | August 31, 2008 2:46 AM

Jarkko wrote...

You were spot on AV. A very good result if the display was not so well in the first half.

Perhaps we need to concentrate on the league this season as the cup draw went against us. This promises to be a very good season for Boro.

Up the Boro!!!

Posted by: Jarkko  | August 31, 2008 8:47 AM

BoroWestOz wrote...

After watching the game as usual I sat for about 20 minutes discussing the issues with my grandson until after midnight, whilst listening to the other results.

My overall feeling about the team performance was of dissapointment which was a bit of a surprise, but after further consideration I started to reassess my thoughts.

The tackle that caused the red card was not an isolated incidence, there were several borderline tackles (not that I think it was a dirty game) but I started to think that maybe we were only allowed to play as we did and my feelings were dictated by remembering the Spurs and Liverpool games.

I am now feeling better because I am concentrating on the 3 points and looking at what might have been the result in the past.

The one issue that I still have in the back of my mind is Mido, what is his thought process saying to him and how is he going to react to the issues of the past week.

Posted by: BoroWestOz  | August 31, 2008 10:15 AM

gt wrote...

That was one of the ugliest games weve seen in many a year, but hey we won it. We were lucky, Shawky twice maybe could have given away a penalty but we also missed five tap ins. Gareth, we still need a goalie, Turnbull almost passed it to their guy late on.we dont need no airheads.

Posted by: gt  | August 31, 2008 10:30 AM

allycat wrote...

We should have scored a bagful in that game! At least Alves and perhaps more importantly Tuncay scored. I was beginning to fear for Tuncays confidence because of the opportunities he has missed so far this season, but that won't be an issue now and he will go on to be a contender for PFA player of the season.

With regard to Alves, he is clearly going to be a 20-25 goal a season man and i don't see anyway that Mido will push him out, barring injuries. Which is a pity cos Mido is probably going to get 15 goals himself.

Also, and is is not just a case of hindsight, why is Alves not down as penalty taker. Its not a dig at Downing, its just i always believe that the main striker should be given every opportunity to score to boost his goal tally and keep his confidence high.

Posted by: allycat  | August 31, 2008 12:50 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Let's not forget that we played some wonderful football in the 2nd half and had we put away our chances it could have been a cricket score.

Things are looking fantastic at the moment, and yesterday really was a game that we wouldn't have won last year.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | August 31, 2008 1:52 PM

BoroMike wrote...

I think it was a great result for Boro. I would take 2-1 against a side like Stoke any day. Alright they came up from the Championship and lost 4-2 to Bolton but Stoke are a side that don't let teams play the type of football that wants to be seen.

They are possibly one of the most boring teams to watch as they just hoof the ball up in the hope that one of their big guys gets onto it. At times in the match we got dragged into their way of playing football, but we didn't let our frustration get to us.

At other times we played brilliant passing football, and it showed because our passing success rate was a lot higher than it was against Spurs and Liverpoool. When we were playing 'our way' of playing football Stoke didn't even get a touch of the ball. We passed it with pace from one side to another numerously and caused them difficulty. When we created chances to score we just couldn't put it away. On another day Alves would have got 3 and Tuncay would have got 2.

I agree with you AV, last season Boro would indeed have lost that game. The thing I don't agree with what you've wrote AV, is that I don't understand how you can say that O'Neil and Shawky were 'ineffective and chaotic' and that Hoyte 'struggled at times'.

For a start Shawky won us the free kick that was converted by Alves. So that wouldn't be 'inneffective' as it created the goal. O'Neil was one of the best players on the pitch, he controlled the game for us in the middle of the park. And Hoyte made some great runs down the right wing, he also put in a fair few crosses, he combined brilliantly with Aliadiere and was unlucky for the own goal because it looks as if Kitson pushed Hoyte towards the ball for Stoke's goal. Portsmouth should be another tough test next week...

Posted by: BoroMike  | August 31, 2008 4:20 PM

Denis wrote...

It was rough and raw as we expected to be but we came through.

On a general footballing note it is depressing to see a team like Stoke playing football from the dark ages and worryingly, emphasising the gulf in quality between the Premier League and the Championship. At least Pullis had the grace and sportmanship to agree with the ref his player was rightly sent off.

As for us, we showed resilience and determination. We are making progress and will become hardened as the season moves on and there is nothing to fear from Man Utd in the Carling Cup.

Posted by: Denis  | August 31, 2008 7:56 PM

daniel martin [stoke fan] wrote...

Boro only managed to win 2-1 against a ten man side who outplayed you until we were reduced to 10 men. Wait till you come to the Brit. You play to your strengths and its quite obvious boro dont have any. We were beat by a magical free kick which no keeper in the world would have saved.

Your team are no world beaters and i can assure you stoke will make their mark on the premiership....

Posted by: daniel martin [stoke fan]  | August 31, 2008 7:57 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

I missed the GON/Shawky comment, O'Neil was my man of the match on Saturday, I thought he was tremendous, everything good was going through him.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | August 31, 2008 8:18 PM

mickymac wrote...

I would like to try Tuncay in next to O'neil and Alves and Mido up front. Incidentally Vic have you found that article mentioned on another column about Gibbo, Liverpool, Parry, dark alleys and baseball bats. Away lad,get it on.

Posted by: mickymac  | August 31, 2008 8:38 PM

Stockton Potter wrote...

'One dimensional'. 'Limited'. 'Route one'. 'Physical'. Get over yourselves.

Until the referee intervened to send off Amdy Faye you were on the ropes andn this limited side was giving you the right run around.

The sending off changed the game completely. You know that if it was Chelsea, Man U or Arsenal making that challenge it was a free kick at best and prob not even a yellow. I'd say it was "big club bias" but that would give Boro a status they don't deserve.

That sending off and an unstoppable free kick won it for you. Listening to some of my Boro friends and neighbours today talking about top eight, top six and Europe because they have had a helping had to beat us is embarrassing.


Posted by: Stockton Potter  | August 31, 2008 10:25 PM

daniel martin [stoke fan] wrote...

Its me again,sorry for being on here again. I wouldnt normally bother but you accuse stoke of being a ''long ball outfit'' and Im watching match of the day at this very moment and the chelsea keeper has just thrown the ball 60 yards to the Chelsea attack which nearly resulted in a goal alan hansen described this as ''brilliant'.'

Would you not describe this as being a long ball game? A route one approach? Yes the long ball game is ''brilliant'' if you are one of the so called elite sides..

Posted by: daniel martin [stoke fan]  | August 31, 2008 10:44 PM

Chris L wrote...

Drove up for the game yesterday - a few observations:

I couldn't agree with AV more - we would have definitely lost that game last year. Stoke had an (ugly and physical) game plan which worked well in the first half. But despite being dragged down to playing Championship football for a while we came through it as we now have players who can produce goals from very little.

Shawky was very poor first half - the first decent thing he did was get scythed down for the free kick. We were delighted when Digard replaced him. After a hesitant start Digard looked class - he must now stay in. Huth was immense - how the Sunday Times could give him 5/10 escapes me. Obviously the reporter was watching another game on the monitors.

Worried about Stewie Downing - he looked below par and unusually lacking in confidence until well into the second half. I suppose it may have been the effect of the international - hopefully not mooning after a move to Liverpool.

Posted by: Chris L  | August 31, 2008 11:45 PM

Neal G wrote...

After reading Steve Gibson's absurd comments about Middlesbrough (pop 120,00) having incredible support for such a small town, does he think that those who travel from outside Boro dont count or something. Are people from Stockton and other nearby areas unwanted aliens or something.

Why are people at the Boro always playing games with figures to suit their own agenda when they are spouting rubbish? (Refers you to Lambs "we are the most successful club outside top 4 in a suited 10 year time frame" when were not).

People at Middlesbrough FC cannot get rid of the small town small town club mentality can they? If Gibson and co dont want us fans from outside the town of Middlesbrough, just say so, I can soon arrange for my family to save a shedload of money by doing something else on matchdays.

**AV writes: Chill. It is just spin. I'm sure Steve Gibson knows the demographics of his customer-base but the years of the national media having a pop at crowd figures have forced him to adopt a strategy of pre-emptive number-crunching to deflect the jibes.

Posted by: Neal G  | September 1, 2008 9:44 AM

boroie wrote...

Stoke weren't that bad at all. I think calling them a long ball team does them a bit of a disservice. I certainly expected the new Bolton but they played some nice football at times. We got lucky when Faye was sent off. It was a deserved red card, everyone except Stoke fans agree on that. No keeper in the world would have stopped that free kick. However, it was only then that we started playing well and creating good chances. The red card completely changed the game.

Posted by: boroie  | September 1, 2008 10:00 AM

Matt wrote...

Very interesting to see a Stoke fan on here trying to defend the indefensible (that horrible, two-footed tackle). If Shawky's studs had been dug into the ground, he would be recovering from a broken ankle/leg today. Just the sort of tackle that the FA are trying to eradicate from the game.

After that decision, the away fans treated us to a chorus of "the referees a *****r" & "cheats". Strangely, after half time & their fans had seen the replays of the tackle, there were no similar chants second half !!

I believe that one moment cost Stoke a point on Saturday. Up until then, there was very little to choose between the two teams. Although, the away team had been restricted to long range efforts only & did not seriously look like scoring.

After the opener, I may as well have been watching a replay of many games last season. With us creating chance after chance, only to somehow contrive not to score.

I do have a message for Mr Downing, if he reads this column. YOU OWE ME 70 QUID !!! I had 3:1 to the Boro, with Alves getting the 1st goal was 35/1. Needless to say, I was not particularly impressed with his penalty miss.

**AV Writes: Me too, I had 3-1 on my slip. Let's demand it from his win bonus!

Posted by: Matt  | September 1, 2008 10:54 AM

Steve Brown wrote...

I agree with the initial observation the last season Boro would have lost that game. You can't play the lovely free flowing football against a team Stoke. As for he previous comments on here regarding Stoke will make their mark on the premiership... oh they will alright - across the shins or ankles of their opponents. Stoke are the terrorists of football.

Posted by: Steve Brown  | September 1, 2008 1:11 PM

buffaloboro wrote...

Neal G, I am sure AV is correct. Mr Gibson is building a protective wall.

Posted by: buffaloboro  | September 1, 2008 1:17 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Further to Neil G's comments:

Although on face value Steve Gibson’s 120,000 figure may seem a bit meaningless, further research reveals this to be the true local fan base.

National Government statistics put the combined population of the districts of Middlesbrough, Redcar & Cleveland and Stockton on Tees as 450,000 – with the population between 15-65 as around 300,000. This would mean that to fill the Riverside it would require Boro to attract 11.5% of the 15-65’s.

However, a Mori survey in 2005 found that only 41% of the population confessed to be interested in football – although I would suggest historically that the North-East is more interested in football than the country as a whole that would leave a minimum potential supporter base of 120,000.

It’s therefore the jobs of Steve Gibson, Keith Lamb and Gareth Southgate to produce a team that attracts enough of these 120,000 to fill the ground every week – and on current displays this season then I would suggest they are probably on track.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | September 1, 2008 1:29 PM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

I had a call from Stoke's Evening Sentinel last Wednesday requesting my comments on Saturday's encounter from a Boro Fan's point of view.

I was honest, and told them that historically we struggle against promoted sides and teams we (on paper) should take three points from.

Alas, it nearly happened again. We struggled to come to terms against a team of 'Night Club bouncers'.

However, there is something of a steely determination within the club and players actually do want to win every game.

Strange though how we seem to want to set some kind of new record in scoring the most own goals in a season.

By the way, my score prediciton to the Stoke press was 3-1 to Boro. As in earlier postings, Mr. Downing you owe us a beer !

Come on Boro

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | September 1, 2008 2:29 PM

pauline johnson wrote...

Hi AV

Good column as per usual. With regard to the crowd size I feel we are missing that elusive "Juninho-like" crowd pleaser. Anyone, in fact, who knows what it is to provide that driving force to unite the side and crowd into one unit. Merson had it, Juninho definitely did and then I would have to go back to Bobby Murdoch. We are currently missing that link. Recoba a few years ago would have done it, Deco almost certainly. Now - I'm waiting.

This window closes and I don't see anyone else. Have we got a "young-un" who is coming through to fill the gap?If not, who else is there? We go into the iterregnum and wait. Can the team cope without that uniting figure? Obviously time will tell. Can Arca on his return fill the bill - I'm not sure? Could we move Downing inside a la Zenden? Again, it's not clear. Digard looks as though he might mature sufficiently to be as effective but he needs to lose that daft Rochembach tendency of looking elsewhere when passing - at least until he's mastered the requisite strength of pass.

Progress has been made, I'm certain of that. Alves is not a centre forward. Mido is beginning to look like a spoiled child wanting to be the centre of attention. He messed about and conceded the free kick which cost us the goal against Yeovil. If he does it in the Prem we will lose, as simple as that. Everyone needs to pull together.

Good luck to all the current internationals. Lets hope they come through unscathed.

Cheers,
Pauline

Posted by: pauline johnson  | September 1, 2008 8:44 PM

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