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Downing To Liverpool? Three Points...

Posted by on August 21, 2008 11:41 PM | 

POINT ONE: Cast your mind back to that burning sense of righteous anger that engulfed Teesside in the early part of 1997 after three points won fairly on the pitch were docked by the Premier League. It cost Boro relegation led to the disintegration of Robbo's Foreign Legion and caused the souring of a dream.

Remember the sense of outrage and injustice at a punitive process that reeked of back stage machinations, cover-ups and vested interests. Remember the power of the pure emotion as the Boro half of the FA Cup final crowd pointed accusingly at the sanctimonious suits and started to chant "three points... three points."

POINT TWO: Remember the similar sense of sickening wounded rage as Liverpool first "discovered" then exploited a clause inserted in good faith in Christian Ziege's contract that was so confidential that sheepish supremo Bryan Robson did not know it even existed to lure away a key player at a cut-price on the eve of the season. And remember too the anger at the insult added to injury as although the Premier League found Liverpool bang to rights of illegally inducing a player to break his contract they levied a pathetic, laughable fine of £15,000 - barely a week's wages for the spotty German turncoat.

POINT THREE: Remember the two year legal battle in which single-minded Steve Gibson ruthlessly pursued Liverpool and dragged them into the High Court, revealing exactly the extent of their duplicitous dealings and scoring a belated victory over the contract busting big boys with an unequivocal ruling in Boro's favour and an undisclosed settlement of a hefty compensation package and costs in full, estimated at around £2m.

Now remember that one individual links all three points: Rick Parry.

The permed pen pusher was the man who drew up the rule book of the Premier League and who was in charge of implementing it as chairman at the time of the 'three points' saga. He was also a material witness as Boro's defence rested on their attempts to clear with Parry and his senior staff their assessment that an unprecedented injury crisis gave them 'just cause' to call off the fixture at Blackburn. Boro insisted that the fact that his staff and their processes were being called into question made him an inappropriate figure to oversee the inquiry and the subsequent appeal, that he had a possible vested interest in upholding his own corporate structure. There was a feeling that the appeal was being viewed as a personal criticism and was being dealt with in a subjective and summary manner. His arrogant dismissals of perfectly understandable concerns left Gibson with a deep sense of frustration and grievance at the lack of transparency and left a festering wound that has been picked at regularly in the years since.

It was Parry too that two years later as chief executive of Liverpool oversaw the illegal approach for Ziege, who helped orchestrate a media campaign to unsettle the player and who rode rough-shod over the rules he himself had written to induce a player to break his contract. As a stickler for the rules he more than anyone must have known he had been caught red handed but instead of accepting it gracefully he used a media in thrall to the big clubs and set out on a mud-slinging campaign that included claims that opportunist Boro were just trying it on to get more money and a devious counter accusation - thrown out - that Boro had tried to tap up Emile Heskey.

It was Parry too that decided that Liverpool should fight Boro's High Court action, who assembled Liverpool's case, who tried every legal trick to delay, derail and divert the process, to have it struck out. It was Parry that tried to pass off Liverpool's tapping up as normal business practice, who in effect belittled the very rules he had so passionately defended and prosecuted over the three points.

Most Boro fans have Rick Parry right up there at the top of their list of hate figures because he has been central in many of the machinations that have damaged the club over the past decade or so and appears to have played his role with glee. Steve Gibson is no different - he is a Boro fan and he has his list too.

It is no secret that Gibson knows how to nurse a grudge like a Florence Nightingale of Vengeance, nor that he and Parry have history. In the heightened emotions of the angry aftermath of the rejected appeal over the three points he was scathing about the Premier League and key individuals in it and made it quite clear that he would not forget. In a no holds barred four page tirade in the Gazette the normally measured chairman lapsed into proper Teesside vernacular and warned darkly that one day Parry would walk down a dark alley and someone would follow him with a baseball bat. He was spitting blood. And that undercurrent of animosity was renewed after the Ziege row and deepened in the resulting legal action.

And now that same Parry is supposed to ring up Gibson and say that he wants to make a cut-price offer for Stewart Downing, a current England international, that is younger that £18m rated Gareth Barry, has far longer left on his contract and who can only get better? What do you think Gibson would say to that?

I think we can safely say that Boro won't do business with Liverpool. I believe Gibson would rather give Stewart Downing to Newcastle or Sunderland before he flogs him to Liverpool. Downing may well leave Boro at some point - if his current rate of improvement continues it will be hard to keep him off the biggest stage - but I can't see him going to Anfield anytime soon... except on the Boro coach on Saturday.


Comments (35)

Nozzy wrote...

For what its worth, we hate him too....

Posted by: Nozzy  | August 22, 2008 1:32 AM

Joe, Liverpool wrote...

I'm a Liverpool Supporter and understand the hatred of Parry. Ask any Red what they think of Parry and you'll be met with the same response... incompetent ****.

We have wanted Coco (That's what we call the Clown) out for years but our old Chairman persisted with him despite his failure to do his job properly. When the new owners came in a clause was added to his contract that he could not be sacked for two years which is the only reason the idiot is still at the Club.

Rafa can't stand him, Tom Hick (another ****) cant stand him and the fans can't stand him.

He is sly and was a major factor in us being sold to the Yanks because he knew they were the only one's that had said they would keep him on.

The biggest example of all that shows what type of a man he is was earlier this year. When the sale of the club went through, Parry received a large bonus and it's well known that he bought a Ferrari with the money. We had been protesting against the new owners before a game which had been planned for a while and the club knew it was going down so what does Coco do? He turns up in his new Ferrari that had been bought with the yanks money and parks it about 20ft away from the protesters.

The man is a fool.

**AV writes: Thank for your input. A key official openly taking sides in a boardroom battle can't help but create friction within the club in many day-to-day functions but he is a street-fighter and survivor and trying to remove him will cause a lot of collateral damage. What is the feeling in Liverpool about Downing? Do you even want him?


My own feeling is that the Downing stories are actually a way of putting pressure on Villa to sell Barry before the deadline, suggesting they have alternatives and pushing the price down.

Posted by: Joe, Liverpool  | August 22, 2008 1:59 AM

Gaz wrote...

Past is past and money will talk should Rafa go in for Downing. I can't see Southgate being as ridiculous as M.O.N, so stop your crying.

Besides, are you going to blame Parry for all of Boro's past ills. I mean was it him who hired the Wally with the Brolly?

Take the money and let Southgate buy a couple of decent players and get yourself in Europe.

Posted by: Gaz  | August 22, 2008 4:52 AM

g.dagger wrote...

If Zenden and Zeige are anything to go by, Liverpool have an awful habit of making decent Boro players look very average.

Hopefully Stewart Downing would not want to join forces with Liverpool. He can't speak Spanish (to my knowledge) and surely doesn't want to sit on the bench every week.

Posted by: g.dagger  | August 22, 2008 7:15 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Rick Parry is perfect for Liverpool. The fans, like the club, believe they have a right to anything they want so they are all in harmony.

No tickets for the Champions League final in Athens? That is UEFA's fault, we will just go along and force our way in as it is our right to go to the match.

You have a player we want, we will just take him. He will want to come and that is the end of the matter.

Luckily many of the scousers dont want Downing. My friend and colleague didnt rate him and was pleased when the got Zenden. I told him they had come in for the wrong player and he actually watched what he did instead of sitting Platt like. Now he is trying to convince his mates to do the same.

Liverpool have previous on players and not just Ziege. Sounness, Hodgson, Jonhston all have departed to join the scousers.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 22, 2008 7:53 AM

Matt wrote...

Is there a link to that 4-page article in the Gazette anywhere? Although I remember the 3 points saga all too well, I was a bit young to really read this kind of thing in the paper - I just bitched about it with my friends.

Good article

**AV writes: No it pre-dates our electronic library but I think it is worth reading again. It was fantastic, bristling with hostility and indignation and full of indiscretion. Very informative about the behind the scenes politics and about how Gibson as a man. I'll try and dig it out, get it digitalised and stick it up. It is a vital part of our cultural history.

Posted by: Matt  | August 22, 2008 9:11 AM

Si wrote...

Vic

The Downing speculation will never end. We'll just have to live with it.

I'm actually more interested in your views on Mido - one minute he's committed to Boro, happy to fight for his place after spending so much time slimming down...the next he's contemplating a Wigan move. So THAT'S why we're his 8th club then.

(Funny, too, that he makes these remarks just after he's popular with Boro fans again. Would he have said the same while he was still overweight? Hmm.)

Posted by: Si  | August 22, 2008 9:21 AM

Holgate Ender wrote...

The fans reaction to Viduka/Woodgate/Young going would be nothing compared to the hell that would break lose if Boro sold Downing now.

It would be a clear signal that we have no ambition and are just a selling club. It would the final straw. If Downing goes this year then we are cutting our cloth as fast as Amer did.

Aston Villa refused to budge on Barry, wouldn't drop their price and told him he was going nowhere unless they said. We should do the same.

When Gibbo is in the red boardroom tomorrow he should tell Parry and the Yanks exactly where to put it.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | August 22, 2008 10:34 AM

John Powls wrote...

Holgate Ender

Couldn't agree more.

Si and AV

I saw the stuff from Mido today too - it seemed to contrast with what was said in the Gazette yesterday - effectively 'competition for places is good; I'm staying to fight for mine'.

Will we get the usual "I was misquoted/quoted out of context or my meaning was lost in translation" or have his old tricks returned with his fitness after we have put up with a season of his injuries and lard?

Posted by: John Powls  | August 22, 2008 10:47 AM

Nigel wrote...

I don't believe there is any chance of Downing going anywhere this season, let alone to Liverpool. However there is a good chance this is his last season at Boro. If he continues to improve at the rate he has over the past couple of seasons then a champions league club will surely bid for him. Hopefully at that point Jinky Johnson will be ready to step up to the mark.
The only caveat I have on that assumption is that if Boro have a blinding season and qualify for the UEFA cup he may decide to stick around.
But if he's worth £20 million next summer and Johnson is ready then Southgate and Gibson may decide the time is right.
As for Parry, he's beneath contempt.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 22, 2008 11:02 AM

David Morrison wrote...

I dont think Downing wants to leave just yet. The one club I think is perfect for the way he plays is Man Utd. Until they come calling then i think he is here to stay.

Downing should have started for England on wednesday but then again so should have Agbonlahor, Young, Wheater and several others. Its these players as well that are looking and thinking cos Im not playing for a top 4 club I dont get to start for England. Downing is only 23 and moving now when he is playing well might see him be like SWP at Chelsea, bit part player, not getting games and on the fringes of the squad. Id rather stay and play than go and sit on the bench for 60k a week.

Downing signed a 5year deal last season so if he was going to go i think he would have gone last January. The biggest thing to make him stay was the Woodgate situation and how the club have treat Downing so far in making him the focal point of the team and giving him what he wanted contract wise.

As for Liverpool I cant wait till tomorrow it cant come quickly enough for me. The comments from Southgate and some players makes me feel they believe they can go there and get a win. I dont think liverpool are playing well and i think the best time to play the top 4 teams is early on, get into them, ruffle them and set your standards in the first few seconds. We can exploit their weaknesses cos I think they have a few right now and if we keep it tight but pose a threat then we can nick it.

And oh yeah MIDO, SHUT YOU'RE FACE AND GET ON WITH TRYING TO GET INTO THE TEAM .........

Come on Boro!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | August 22, 2008 11:22 AM

Mark wrote...

I read the comments here with much anger but acceptance. If Liverpool want him, if Downing wants to go and if the price is right then he will go. In our favour he is in good form, is young and is on a long term contract so Liverpool can put their money where their sizeable mouth is. A sum in excess of £15 million would be my guess.

Does it cast a doubt over the long term future of the club? Not sure. Its true that Adam Johnson deserves a chance but with SD in front of him his chances for regular football will be limited to say the least. Yes we hate Parry for all the reasons AV has mentioned but as Mr Gibson has proved recently good business is good business.

As for Mido well I think he needs to have a good look at himself and realise the support MFC and in particular GS has given him. In the modern day the phrase is overused " he owes it to the fans". Whilst this may be true he certainly does owe it to SG and GS who had faith to spend a sizeable chunk of money on him, who pay him a goodly amount in wages and who have supported him as he regains fitness.

If he wants a move then he should start by doing all his talking on the pitch and prove he is worth his weight and battle to produce goals.

Posted by: Mark  | August 22, 2008 11:41 AM

Craig wrote...

Can we add to the list of Parry points the way Liverpool also tried to tap up academy kid Nathan Porritt? They seem to have got away with that too in spite of clear TV evidence.

Posted by: Craig  | August 22, 2008 12:57 PM

steve h wrote...

Downing does not want to leave.

I've got a great feeling about Saturday. I think we're gonna win at anfield.

Posted by: steve h  | August 22, 2008 1:51 PM

michael mccann wrote...

AV, the thought of Gibbo giving parry a "Parkend kiss" fills me with delight. He really is one of us. Hope you can source that 4 page spread,another thing, I would'nt want to cross gibbo and he would'nt want to cross Southgate. So just how "hard" is our manager!!.Lets get the three points Parry owes us tommorow.

Posted by: michael mccann  | August 22, 2008 2:45 PM

Aberdeen Brian wrote...

Good article AV, plenty of bile in there.

When I was younger I admired Liverpool, and not just for the fact that they successfully flew the English flag so well abroad. But also because they had come from a humble background to display all that was best about British football.

Their continued success and the way they promoted from within to keep things within the "family" seemed the ideal model for those clubs with similar ambitions. Indeed I still cherish the idea of MFC following a similar successful pattern - and with SG and GS in charge, who knows?

But when the Liverpool bow-wave started to hit the rocks they panicked and turned away from tried-and-trusted and went for a quick fix to try and get them back on track. It failed, dismally from their point of view. Yes they have won cups, sometimes magnificently, but they have become a spent force where it matters most to them - the Premiership.

I take no pleasure from their current plight, if only because of the fond memories, but they have brought things upon themselves. The ongoing battles between Benitez and Parry merely highlight the problems they face.
Parry has become symbolic of the blight that now infests the game.

Once upon a time it was only the manager and players who were known to the general public (the fans), people couldn't care less about anybody else.
Now people like Parry have carved little empires for themselves and seem to take authority away from the manager. But when things go wrong it's the manager who gets fired, not the guy who hired him and then refused to back him up.

If Downing was to leave at some time in the future, I would hope he will be ambitious enough to want the best. Leaving for a team that can only offer the occasional cup would not be a step in the right direction in my opinion.

Posted by: Aberdeen Brian  | August 22, 2008 2:51 PM

smoggypaul wrote...

AV - firstly your blogging system is still flaky as a flaky thing on flake juice! This is my third attempt [I should have remembered that tip about copying everything before posting but in my usual trusting way I thought this had all been fixed?

Main point - as a Boro lad in exile in Sussex I mix with many many football supporters from clubs around the country. I have to, Sussex isn't that full of Boro supporters [we do have a Geordie family in the village that I grunt to but they don't count for obvious reasons]. The point being that the one thing they all say, they all say [repetition for effect - clever eh!] about the Boro is that Gibson is the best Chairman in the country. He should, in their opinion, be the role model for all football club owners/Chairman in the country. So please could you make good on your promise to scan that 4 page article, I'd love to see it.

Next point - with all the passion that Gibbo has, and the history with Liverpool and Parry [and thanks to that Scouse fan who wrote to the forum - sane words and not the more traditional flaming that opposition fans tend to write, and one that maintains the intelligence level of the postings - thanks you] does anyone SERIOUSLY think Stewy will go to L'Pool?

Yes money talks, sometimes - at the right time and in the right way. This is neither. I do agree that in a years time we'll be lucky to see him here. If we're in Europe, possibly that would keep him, but in truth its starting to feel that it might be the right time for him to move, with a long contract ensuring that we get a decent payday out of it and Jinky one more year along the line to stepping up. But not now, and for all the reasons above, I trust Gibbo [and of course the 'Gate] to ignore the [lets be honest, unintelligent and undiscerning media who simply repeat or even invent whatever the big clubs say/might say] speculation.

Finally - lets keep our focus. One game in, one win. Good. Be more impressed 6 games in, 6 wins. I suspect Totteringham may be defeated by worse teams than us this season so lets not get too carried away. Hard game this Saturday, Torres a huge threat who can turn unwinnable performances into 3 points. Keep the focus, 2-3 to the Boro. COME ON!

**AV writes: Yes, there are still some bugs in the system but access is improving daily, speeds are up and most of the features at my end are now working (touches head) I think we are almost there now.... but best keep copying for now.

Posted by: smoggypaul  | August 22, 2008 3:13 PM

Peter Robinson wrote...

Wonderful article.
I've only been there once 6th round FA Cup. They poured boiling hot OXO raided from the canteen down on the Boro supporters.
I'd love to do the same on Parry
Downing to Liverpool is not a forward step for him and I'm sure he and his family know that

Posted by: Peter Robinson  | August 22, 2008 4:08 PM

Matt A wrote...

Gaz says we should "stop our crying"...

So when Mr Torres is sick of being nowhere near to getting a PL winners medal & his agent is holding clandestine talks with Peter Kenyon about a move to London, where he can win the League will you Liverpool fans be happy for the board to "just let him go" & "spend the cash on a couple of good players" ???

No, I thought not. Typical top-4 fans, arrogant & every bit as hypocritical as the Chief Executive they claim to despise.

Personally, if Stewy did leave, I would rather he went to Arsenal. As our Chairman eluded to the other week, during negotiations with their board over Justin Hoyte, they seem to have more honorable people in charge at the club. Of course, we might have to forge him a French passport to tempt Mr Wenger to make a bid !

I have to agree about any potential fee. If Barry is worth 18 Million, at the age of 27/28 with 2 years left on his contract. Then Stewy must be worth more, at the age of 23, with 4 & a half years left on his contract.

There is no real reason to sell him, the club do not seem to be desperate for cash, & it is not as if his value will drop anytime soon.

If a club offers ridiculous money (22 - 25 Million) then I am sure the club will reluctantly accept. Otherwise, I can see him staying for this season at least.

Posted by: Matt A  | August 22, 2008 4:36 PM

Richard wrote...

Good historical stuff and an informative article Vic.

Also probably puts a fairly realistic perspective on the "Downing to Liverpool" proposition. However, as we've seen with Luke Young, Steve Gibson is, first and foremost, a businessman and business criteria will always take precedence over other factors. So although I also don't expect Stewart Downing to depart for Liverpool, I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility for that reason. Every man (and Steve Gibson, for those who elevate him to Deity) has his price.

I don't want Stewart Dowing to leave Boro at all, for sporting reasons. And I certainly wouldn't be happy if he was considered to be worth any less than the valuation Villa have placed on Gareth Barry. If Liverpool want to buy continued membership of the Champions League, then they should be made to pay top dollar for it! That's Martin O'Neil's position, as a manager who's ambition for his own club is to displace Liverpool. Boro ought to be doing the same, if, as Gareth Southgate's quoted ambition on the MFC website is to be believed. It's the old difference between the price of something versus it's value. And my guess is that Champion's League membership is worth a lot to Liverpool.

Having said all of that and taking your comments about the Liverpool "ethic" on board, it wouldn't surprise me if Parry or his cohorts at Anfield were behind a deliberate attempt to unsettle Downing and Boro Management ahead of tomorrow's clash - even if they don't have actual interest in making a bid for him.

That's on top of your response to Joe from Liverpool, suggesting that the leakage of possible interest is an attempt to put some kind of pressure on Villa for Barry. Either way, it's cynical media manipulation, but clever!

It would be rather typical of the "mind games" and the use of media contacts by those with a vested interest in keeping the big clubs big. They can be guaranteeed of national media support (wittingly or otherwise) for such tactics.

By the way, I'm confused with the link embedded in the text "he and Parry have history" in your blog. It takes us to....

http://www.dearmrlevy.com/2008_04_01_archive.html, which is a blog article on Levy of Spurs.

**AV writes: I'll check that link. It should take you to a Spurs blog with an interesting reported conversation between a taxi driver of the author's acquaintence and Steve Gibson.

Posted by: Richard  | August 22, 2008 5:18 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Ultimately, if Liverpool want Downing, we'd be wrong to stand in his way, assuming he would want to go and the price was right (£18m+).

As for Mido, again, I think people need to calm down - he's not said anything controversial, just that he ultimately wants first team football, and he'd rather get that at Boro than Wigan - no problem there for me, I'm glad he's keen to get in the team.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | August 22, 2008 5:37 PM

Richard wrote...

In John Powls's Boro Banter blog of 22 August, he reminds us of last year's away fixture at Anfield. Aliadiere's sending off is yet another example of us (the football-supporting public, and perhaps especially those of us with Boronoid tendencies) being let down by an outmoded, inadequate and inaccurate form of refereeing.

John said, "Last season, Boro got close to at least a point in a high scoring game, deserved better and got undone by (with RESPECT, of course) a lousy refereeing and assistant refereeing red card decision ...."

Agreed John.

It's just another crass example of how we're being let down by the system of match refereeing.

Read more and how tomorrow's Liverpool match could be affected by lousy refereeing decisions, in "Big Brother" vs "Match of the Day" - Same thing really! , in Boro Banter, by following the link:
http://borobanter.gazettelive.co.uk/2008/08/big-brother-vs-match-of-the-da.html

or click on the "Boro Banter" logo on Gazette's webpage on Boro FC (see top navigation bar).

Posted by: Richard  | August 22, 2008 5:46 PM

keith wrote...

Iv more chance of becoming the next Pope than Downing going to Liverpool lol

Posted by: keith  | August 22, 2008 6:58 PM

Richard wrote...

Pope Keith I ........has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

And while we're on significant names, I reckon there ought to be a premium on any transfer fee for Stewy. It's not everybody who has a des res London street named after him BEFORE he's even played for Arsenal or Spurs.

Posted by: Richard  | August 22, 2008 9:40 PM

lfc_dood wrote...

Usually wouldn't be here (flying visit from liverpool fan) but good article. :D

Can't wait for the game tomorrow.

I thought boro looked tasty in places against spurs (especially countering) and a score draw could well be on the cards.

Oh and Matt A I know you were responding to a troll but Liverpool fans have had it the other way too, and know a little about letting go.

In recent times their very top talents - Owen, McManaman and Gerrard - have been unsettled with transfers agreed for each.

well except for the burning of shirts they let go pretty well ;)

Posted by: lfc_dood  | August 22, 2008 9:55 PM

Neil M wrote...

Well said AV. We owe Parry over the three points and LIverpool over Ziege whatever happens we should never sell Stewie to them. Man U, Arsenal or a Euro giant next year maybe. If they offer enough. But never Liverpool. That would kill me.

On another note, it is nice to have rival fans come on here making a reasoned comment without being bitter. Not like the Geordie lurkers.

Posted by: Neil M  | August 22, 2008 11:25 PM

Tony B wrote...

As a Liverpool fan I am disappointed by the way we have behaved in some of our transfer dealings. The way we (mis)handled the transfers of Ziege, Barry, Keane and others are all examples of the sort of behaviour I used to be proud that my club didn't indulge in.

It hurts to read the comments on this page, more so because they are largely true.

I know that it is the nature's way for larger football clubs to feed on smaller football clubs; Tottenham for example behave no better than Liverpool when they wish to poach the promising youngsters from other smaller teams. ManU routinely tap-up players they want and Chelsea are no better.

Many people think that, in what has become a high-finance dog-eat dog world, this behaviour has become necessary to achieve success and that since "everybody else is doing it" that it is ok but I don't think it is "ok", even if sadly the first two assertions are probably true.

I hoped - and still hope - for more from the people who run Liverpool Football club.

Posted by: Tony B  | August 23, 2008 12:24 AM

Richard wrote...

Vic,

I apologise - publicly!

When I took the time and trouble to actually ready the Spurs blog, rather than be surprised to find myself looking at a picture of Che Guevara and a "Mr Levy" headline, sure enough the reference to the cabbie's conversation with Steve Gibson is in it - first paragraph as well!

Sorry for the confusion. It was all mine!

Posted by: Richard  | August 23, 2008 11:26 AM

Richard wrote...

Parry is great!!

Posted by: Richard  | August 23, 2008 2:19 PM

Cally wrote...

More small club inferiority complex.

I doubt you complain when you tap up and nab the best players from smaller clubs.

But that doeasn't suit your hard-done-to agenda does it?

Posted by: Cally  | August 23, 2008 2:31 PM

lfc_dood wrote...

Well I was almost right.
Nice to be wrong sometimes ;) unlucky boro, deserved a point (missed two great chances)

Posted by: lfc_dood  | August 23, 2008 4:58 PM

Malc wrote...

We can argue for what we deserve but the fact is we keep letting in last five minute goals. Three already in just two games. Liverpool are getting three points without looking fully worth it but that's the difference between a team battling in the top four and one battling in the top ten.

BTW, nice article AV

Posted by: Malc  | August 23, 2008 11:00 PM

steve h wrote...

It was my fault! I should never have predicted a win. I'm a jinx.

I'm lucky in love...

Posted by: steve h  | August 23, 2008 11:58 PM

Richard wrote...

Skrtel floors O'Neil inside the 18 yard box without any attempt to play the ball - he only has eyes for the man. That's a penalty! Not given!
Even the MOTD pundits explicity acknowledged it.

Carragher turned inside out by Tuncay's deft flick, but which way does Carragher turn? To play the ball, which went to his right, or to his left, which is where Tuncay went? Carragher went to his left, after Tuncay - not the ball - and nearly ripped the shirt off Tuncay's back to unbalance him. Again, no attempt to play the ball. That's a penalty! Not given. The same outcome as last week when Atkinson denied Wheater's first-half goal against Spurs while Dawson was similarly rearranging Wheater's clothing!!

That's three incidents in two matches all of which were cynical pieces of deliberate foul play and should not have gone unpunished.

This week it's Riley letting Liverpool away with murder.

More crap refereeing decisions. And this time, significant in their impact. We lost 2-1 in a match we ought to have at least taken a point from!

Grrrr!

Posted by: Richard  | August 24, 2008 1:50 AM

Mohammad Abdullah wrote...

AV

Brilliant article, watched the game on TV and saw Parry and Barwick sat side by side, only needed David Gold alongside to make up an unholy trinity, oh, forgot he would be watching Birmingham in the Championship.

Sorry Gareth, I applaud what you are doing and it will come good I am sure, the performance deserved at least a point, but your inexperience cost us the game in my opinion.

Why was Hoyte brought on for Taylor, was Taylor injured? Why not bring on Hoyte and play him in front of Wheater, to snuff out the threat of Gerrard and Torres. Bring on Johnson for Tuncay with instructions to get the ball and hold it up. As usual we defended way to deep.

Otherwise great stuff, Aliadiere was outdstanding and how about the new Minodough! Surely he cannot go to Wigan on a loan, let's have a season out of him.

Wouldn't it be nice, to hear Mido come out and say "I owe a season to the Boro, they did everything for me when I was injured and brought me back to full fitness" It would be nice, but it is not going to happen.

Finally looking forward to the Stoke game, I've a feeling it could be a goal fest.

Posted by: Mohammad Abdullah  | August 24, 2008 4:06 AM

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