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Emnes and Digard - Two Down, One To Go....

Posted by on July 4, 2008 9:00 AM | 

EMNES has signed! Digard has joined him! The great Boro turn to youth has started in earnest with two signings within 24 hours that offer the prospect of VFM pace, power and hunger to liven up the plodding mono-paced midfield.

Marvelous Marvin - one of the hottest properties in Dutch football - put pen to paper on a £3.2m four year deal last year. The Gazette have the picture of him in a Boro shirt and you don't get any more official than that.

And just before close of play Boro also resolved their haggling over method of payment with cash-strapped PSG to complete the £4m move for high-tempo holding midfielder Didier Digard, a George Junior destroyer who has played for France at every level up to Under-21.

Gazette man Adam Steel, who has a smattering of Dutch (is there no end to this desk's talents) spoke to the Sparta reporter on the Rotterdam paper yesterday who was gushing in his praise of a player who shines in the middle, out on the right or up front. He raved about Emnes obvious talent as a youngster, saying that all the way through the juniors he stood out in a way that few had done in Holland since Ronaldo (the original goofy one) exploded at PSV.

Emnes, just turned 20, made his top flight debut three years ago but really caught fire midway last season and caught the eye with a sizzling second half to the season, scoring eight goals in the final ten games. Here's one of them:

The Sparta reporter, Erik van der Paalor, is gutted that crowd favourite is leaving but is mightily relieved it was not to local big boys Feyenoord who were desperate to steal him away on the cheap, as they usually do. More of this excellent background in today's Gazette.

One potential fly in the ointment is that Emnes has been selected in Holland's Olympics squad for Beijing and with the football competition taking place in August our boy could miss a hefty chunk of pre-season and the first few games.

Still, it sounds like an excellent signing, a young player with power and pace, hunger and a creative edge. Digard ticks the same boxes. I like him already. He seems determined to play for Boro and sounds maybe a bit headstrong, managing to get himself suspended by PSG after he gave club chiefs both barrels and called them 'incompetent' as well as dipping into his French-Teesside phrase book and saying the Gallic giants were "doing my head in."

After years of widespread complaints about buying 30 plus-year-old big names on the downward curve and with no resale value this represents a much needed turn to a healthy and sustainable recruitment model - cue moans about buying unknowns and how we should blow the budget on a media hyped Chelsea benchwarmer.

And after years of beat-the-deadline signings in the final few days of August - and subsequent repent at leisure cliches about players not being quite fit or not having quite bedded into the shape and tempo of how the team play because they missed pre-season - it is nice to get a few new faces in before the squad even clocks back in.

Lambie has pledged to have three new faces in before pre-season training starts on Monday. Two down, one to go.

Comments (108)

Richard wrote...

You can't fault Keith Lamb's business accumen! He waits until the share price collapses and then buys M&S!!!

A quality signing!

Posted by: Richard  | July 4, 2008 10:13 AM

Forever Dormo wrote...

Get in there!

Keith Lamb.....a business wolf in sheeps' clothing? They will be singing his praises in the North Stand soon (well - maybe that's going a little too far).

It is much better to "sign" a player without announcing the possibility in a big fanfare, only thereafter to suffer weeks of agonising over the price, the structuring of the payment and all those other vital elements that mean it isn't a deal until the contract is signed, and which allows other clubs to sneak in to derail the deal.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 4, 2008 10:24 AM

BoroPhil wrote...

Great stuff. Emmes and Digard are exactly the sort of players we should be buying. Hopefully we can help each other advance, and they should have a vastly increased sell-on value at the end of it.

I'd be happy with Emmes, Digard and Harper as our summer business. Assuming O'Neil stays.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 4, 2008 10:29 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Good to get the first one in the bag!

Hadn't realised the Olympics issue which is less good news - but you can understand the lad wanting to go and his country calling him up.

We can only hope this doesn't cause too much delay in him being available for selection for Boro and that he picks up no injuries.

If he's the footballer he has the potential to be then it's no surprise he can 'play anywhere across the front' but it must also mean that Gate has to be very sure how he wants to fit him into the team shape he wants to get the best from him.

That debate also has to take in Tuncay and Aliadiere who, on the face of it, have some of the same attributes.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 4, 2008 10:31 AM

Hugh Harcourt wrote...

I'm sorry, but signing unproven 2nd rate garbage like Digard, Harper and Emnes (who?) is a sure fire recipe for disaster.

I am sticking £50 quid on Boro to be relegated if these are the sort of signings we are getting.

**AV writes: How do you know they are garbage?

Posted by: Hugh Harcourt  | July 4, 2008 11:04 AM

jiffy wrote...

The Sparta reporter, Erik van der Paalor....... :-) Nice one AV!

Posted by: jiffy  | July 4, 2008 11:31 AM

beeline wrote...

Why not make it a ton Hugh? It's nice to see a fool and his money easily parted.

A good buy Gareth.

(Don't read that too quickly or some folk will get excited).

Posted by: beeline  | July 4, 2008 11:33 AM

stockton red wrote...

People like Hugh Harcourt make you want to laugh.They dismiss players who they know nothing about and have never seen.

By the same token if we signed a player that had been previously sidelined with injury but a bigger name the club would be criticised for signing a cripple.

If we signed an established player over 30 the club would be accused of being a soft touch providing one big last payday to a fading star.

Whatever happens somebody like Hugh Harcourt would find fault with it .

Posted by: stockton red  | July 4, 2008 12:09 PM

Chris D wrote...

Great signing, but typical Boro! Why did we manage to beat the others so keen to sign? Because they are not stupid enough to sign a player who is not going to be available to kick off the season!!!

We need players who can complete pre-season and be there on day one to give some stability and help towards a decent start.

What will be the next annoucement when he returns from Beijing - "he hasn't had much chance to play with the rest of the team so it will take him a while to settle in"!! October/November before he will be of any use to us then!!!

Posted by: Chris D  | July 4, 2008 12:17 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" Hugh Harcourt wrote...

I'm sorry, but signing unproven 2nd rate garbage like Digard, Harper and Emnes (who?) is a sure fire recipe for disaster.

I am sticking £50 quid on Boro to be relegated if these are the sort of signings we are getting. "


I think that these comments are both premature and missinformed - sorry.

I don't know about the other guy but Emmes has excellent reviews and is very highly thought of throughout the world of football by the people who play and work in it.

So he's not a wild punt by any stretch of the imagination, but a great buy based on who we are, where we are in the country, and what we can afford.

I fully applaud and endorse this signing. We aren't a mega wealthy club and these are just the sorts of signings we need. Highly regarded, young, hungry players that if they fulfill their promise will one day leave via a big selling price.

I just hope we get in some new coach'sas well ( better/ more experienced e.t.c. ) who will know how to bring out the very best in him and bring him on even further.

Someone like Thierry Henry's uncle who if I'm not mistaken was the man who worked wonders at Everton, completely changing their fitness and gym regimes. Again, if I'm not mistaken he was recommended to MFC but they weren't interested.

So, before you use the words " second rate " and " garbage " you really should know what you are taking about - no offence like....

Nice one. More please.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | July 4, 2008 12:31 PM

Aberdeen Brian wrote...

Why moan about bringing in young, relatively-unknown players? In the past Boro have paid big (stupid?) money for household names who may have set the pulses racing at first, but failed to deliver on a regular basis.

Eindhoven proved that we needed a thorough overhaul if we were to experience real and lasting success. When McClaren left the stage was set to change the set-up and playing mentality totally.

I for one am more than prepared to give GS the five years I think it takes to be ready to deliver continuing success.

Yes he's made mistakes over the previous two seasons - hands up all those Peter Perfects who haven't - but I find myself genuinely excited about the the way the club is developing.

Bringing in young, fast, skilful, HUNGRY players makes my mouth water for next season.

Just one note of caution - with all these skilful frontmen to call on, GS might have to play them all at the same time if we don't sign a proven Goalie. We'll need to do a Brazil - if we can't stop the other teams from scoring we'll just have to score more than they do!

Posted by: Aberdeen Brian  | July 4, 2008 12:54 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

From the reports in the Gazette that says he's modelled himself on Torres (that would be nice!) it looks like Emnes has been signed as a striker rather than a right-winger.

This probably means that Southgate has realised that Tuncay and Ali are probably not strikers.

So I'm now assuming Emnes will partner Alves (could be a tongue twister for commentators), with Tuncay playing central midfield with Digard (if we manage to fill in the bank transfer forms correctly) and Ali could play on the right with Downing on the left.

I still can't see the point in buying Harper if O'Neil stays and Mido looks like he'll be on the bench until he fits Gareth's profile of 'hunger, energy and pace'.

Those who rubbish this kind of signing in preference for someone more high profile shouldn't buy into the media hype of the likes of SWP and Lennon - they've only had a good half-season and now cost £10m+ with wages to match and in reality wouldn't offer as much on the pitch.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | July 4, 2008 1:16 PM

Damon Laroche wrote...

To Hugh Harcourt you are talking a load of rubbish.

We have to buy players young and have a lot of quality and if they are a success we will stand to make a good profit on them in future.

I think Marvin Emnes is a great signing because I have watched him play in person. We need to get rid of Boateng, Arca,because they are no good no more. They are championshp players.

Boateng is to old we need young talent either from kids coming though the ranks or signing them.

Posted by: Damon Laroche  | July 4, 2008 1:18 PM

steve h wrote...

Great signing. Exactly what we need. It's good to be signing younger players with a sell on value. This is the way forward for our club.

In the last couple of years we've done some good business as far as transfers are concerned. I can't seem to recall any major income through transfers during the McClaren reign.

Posted by: steve h  | July 4, 2008 1:28 PM

mark wrote...

Let's hope we get the other players in because the other teams who you would think would be below us are spending good like West Brom.

So come on Gareth, give us something to get right behind the team for, show us we have the right man for the job. We look like were going the right way up the table.

Come on Boro.

Posted by: mark  | July 4, 2008 2:17 PM

Never Happy wrote...

This is exactly the type of player Boro should be taking a punt on. Don't let posters like Hugh Halfwit wind you up, probably not even a Boro fan.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 4, 2008 2:35 PM

David Morrison wrote...

Great signing, looks like he has a great touch and pace to burn, exactly what we need to play the football we are looking for.

I'd rather be signing a 20 year old who is one of the brightest talents in europe than a 25 year old that thinks hes spiderman for £7m.

Let's get the other two in the bag and start looking for a keeper. Iive heard Robbo is holding out for Boro as the Villa deal isnt quite what he is looking for. when was the last time Boro had the chance to sign England's number one keeper?

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | July 4, 2008 3:24 PM

Wacky Jacky wrote...

"I'd rather be signing a 20 year old who is one of the brightest talents in europe than a 25 year old that thinks hes spiderman for £7m."

Ahhh, heres the old FMTTM phobia with the barcodes again.
Come on, theres no need to justfy a Boro signing by comparing it to a barcode one. Be honest, I bet you had not heard of either of the players two weeks ago.

Incidentally, how do you know how much "Spiderman" costs because his fee was undisclosed?

Posted by: Wacky Jacky  | July 4, 2008 4:30 PM

Dennis Wilson wrote...

Great signing for Boro, cant wait to see how he does with Alves,

But I totally agree with David Morrison about Paul Robinson, we have got to go for him surely? We simply cant rely on Jones, and Ross Turnbull doesnt really have the experience. This proper worries me as the team seems solid other than the goalies

Posted by: Dennis Wilson  | July 4, 2008 4:43 PM

tim from sa wrote...

Great signing. I like the way we are going.

If Holland do well at Olympics he will probably be unavailable until end of August providing he dosnt get injured god forbid.

I believe we should go for Digard or Harper not both and get a keeper.Concerned about O'Neil, we dont need him jumping ship after pre season starts.

Posted by: tim from sa  | July 4, 2008 4:44 PM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Setanta's website reports that Digard will sign for Boro on Friday evening...two down...

**AV writes: yes, I've updated the article.

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | July 4, 2008 4:56 PM

BoroMike wrote...

David Morrison you legend, I totally agree with you about signing a 20 year old European prospect rather than a 7 million spiderman who clearly doesn't look like he has enough webs in him to pull the toon up the table!

Great signing, if we can complete deals for Harper and Digard in the next few days I would be well chuffed! It would be perfect if we could bring in a goalkeeper too but if not then hopefully Turnbull can perform just as well as he did when he played last season.

He handled the pressure very well back then and I think he has enough will-power to play well this season, remember.. if he performs well enough he is always going to be linked with playing for England, like every talented young goalkeeper that is English such as Joe Hart, Scott Carson, Ben Foster and Robert Green.

Does anybody think that a defender is needed at all???

UPTHEBORO!

Posted by: BoroMike  | July 4, 2008 4:58 PM

T.A. wrote...

It's now 2 down 1 to go as Digard is on board the Boro express.

Come on Boro

Posted by: T.A.  | July 4, 2008 6:46 PM

mickemmo wrote...

Finally we land a few that look half tasty. im just back from Egypt and the whole country cannot say a bad thing about our man Shawky. National bleeding hero!!

I really hope Gareth sits in him in the middle of the park with Tuncay picking up the afters. I know its 1st week in July but how good can this BORO team be eh?

5/2 BORO top dogs in north east, well worth a sniff.

UP THE BORO

Posted by: mickemmo  | July 4, 2008 7:47 PM

Ken wrote...

From all the various comments I've read over the past months, I think that the surprise Boro quality player this season is going to be Mido.

A Proven Premiership Double Figures Goalscorer, now back in shape and at "fighting weight" - the sort of player who would be £20 million if Chelsea were interested.

And Digard, Emnes and Harper all look like good prospects as well.

Posted by: Ken  | July 4, 2008 11:18 PM

bugrit wrote...

Both of our two new signings are Premiership rookies and it's going to take time to ease them into the side.

Our immediate need is for someone who can inject a bit of pace and fire into the central midfield from day one and, although I am probably in the minority in this regard, I think Harper fits the bill.

AV, I hope that this doesn't come across as being very snotty but is there anyone at the Gazette Offices who did a bit of French at school and can guide your Transfer Talking colleagues?

Unlike super-confusing English (bough, through, thorough, although and enough already!) it's very easy to translate written French into spoken French when you know the rules. They even guide you with accents when there is doubt.

For example, the accented vowels in Jérémie Aliadière make it clear that he is Jay-ray-mee Al-yad-yair (3 syllables) and not - heaven forbid - Allie-addie-air with five syllables.

The pronunciation rules specify that young master Digard's name has a soft g and the final d is silent, so he's Dee-zhar. There is a bit of a glottal stop at the end, although we can happily survive without it.

The main thing is that he's not any sort of hippie Yorkshire miner, hard digging or otherwise!

**AV writes: Actually we do have a lad with French degree and year in Left Bank bohemia behind him who has been doing simultaneous French-English-Teesside translation during the Digard deal.

You have to remember that we don't just have to translate as this is not about academic excellence, we have to Anglicise and tabloidise for a football audience. That throws up some strange cut-and-shut linguistics - PARIS St Germain and Bayern MUNICH for example.

When the Digard quotes came through there was a discussion about a phrase that literally meant "there is a marching in my head" meaning a cacophonous confusion which all agreed in Teesside was "doing my head in."

As to names, we are usually guided by the club and sometimes the player. We often deal with foreign journalists who give us a steer on names but then we go to the press conference where a completely different formulation is used and that then becomes the official received pronunciation. Tuncay for example. Once that is out there on the street then it seems churlish and maybe a bit pretentious for us to plough a lone furrow.

Another example was Zenden. After hearing his name mangled repeatedly in every possible permutation of Tees-Dutch car crash pronunciation of 'Boudewijn' put out a press release saying "Please, for the love of God, please only ever call me Bolo!"


Posted by: bugrit  | July 5, 2008 1:17 AM

Forever Dormo wrote...

Great news on our second signing, too.

I also note that the Wikipedia entry for Marvin Emnes has been updated already with his Boro transfer.
Encyclopaedia Britannica may be more reliable, but it struggles in the speed stakes. (Neither does it have the reassuring words "Don't Panic" emblazoned on the cover, but that is another story).

I see Emnes is said to have been a sprinter before concentrating on his football, so another injection of pace looks probable. The mention of Newcastle in the Wikipedia entry brought a smile to the face! Has one of the regular contributors here been a naughty blogger then?

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 5, 2008 1:55 AM

Neil (Yarm) wrote...

What is refreshing is to see that MFC are making their mark in the transfer market early, as opposed to previous years when they brought in players on the eve of the new season kick off, only to find they were un-fit, injured and effectively did not contribute to the team for many weeks if not the whole season. Mido and Huth are two typical examples.

So hats off to The Count and GS for getting it right.

My only worry is that the two signings are relatively inexperienced and are clearly "ones for the future", therefore all the more reason to try and hang on to George and O'Neill.

Posted by: Neil (Yarm)  | July 5, 2008 4:13 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Well done Lambie and co.

Emnes looks like the player to give us some penetration from midfield to complement Stewie.

If Harper joins as well I suspect some will be collecting air miles with the following choices

Downing, Jinky left.
Boat, Cat, Shawky, Digard, Harper central
O'Neill, Emnes right
Plus Aliadiere who could feature right, Tuncay on either flank or in the hole as a free role. O'Neill and Emnes can come inside. Kids like Porrit about to break into the fringes of the team.

Of these you could see Boat, Cat and O'Neill as possible movers for different reasons. Boat to get the last contract that he needs, guess to join Mac, Cat to get some football and O'Neill to go home.

Given the choice of O'Neil or Harper I must admit I would keep O'Neill but he has to deliver.

And that leaves Goalkeeper to sort out plus a check on cover for the back four.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 5, 2008 9:02 AM

John Powls wrote...

He shoots - he scores!

Two in the onion bag for The Count! Can he complete his hat-trick or will he need a period of extra time!

Sorry to be greedy and all that - but can we have a goalie too, please!!

Posted by: John Powls  | July 5, 2008 10:27 AM

Jarkko wrote...

Great signings in two days! I'd rather have the young and motiveted talent than "old boys" that just pick up the money ...

I think we have one of the best teams ever:

Alves (Mido) & Emnes
Tuncay (Emnes)
Downing (Johnson), Digard (Shawky), Aliadrie (O'Neal or Emnes)
Taylor, Wheather, Pogatetz, Young
Turnbull (Jones)

Subs: Boetang, McMahon, Grounds, Hines, Huth and Riggot ...

We still can afford a few injuries - different to the last season. Yes, Europe is the target.

Up the Boro!

Posted by: Jarkko  | July 5, 2008 10:30 AM

Whigham wrote...

Hugh Harcourt!! Typical of a small number of Boro supporters that are doom and gloom merchants whose glasses are always half empty rather than half full!!

I applaud Gareth Southgate in trying to bring in youth who are hungry and want to better themselves.

The only evidence I have seen of both Emnes and Digard is on 'You Tube' and I guess that is about as much as most supporters of Boro.

We need to trust the staff that are scouting these players. The evidence will be seen by all supporters on the pitch next season. It is only than that we will see just how good their judgement has been.

The only area of disagreement I have is the Goalkeeper position. Brad Jones is just not good enough. Ask any Sheffield Wednesday fan how bad he was when on loan there. Ross Turnbull is still too young for a Premiership side even though he has potential.

With Skippy skipping to Fulham we have effectively weakened what was a pretty good defence and we must start the new season with the defence at least as good as or preferably better than it was last season.

We need someone who is commanding between the sticks and marshalling the defence. I have never seen that in Brad Jones. If he is so good, why have no other clubs been chasing after him as he has been on Boro's books for quite some time.

We also need to see better crowds next season. It's no good sitting in an armchair at home watching the matches, then criticising how the club is run and performing.

I have supported Boro for some 45 years from the age of eight and have lived in Cheshire for 30 years, but I still manage to see most home games and watch Boro when they are playing here in the North West and Midlands.

Posted by: Whigham  | July 5, 2008 12:23 PM

Uckham wrote...

Who the dickens are these cheap Johnny Foreigners that Gareth Southgate is signing. I might be a bit more excited about going to Boro matches if I had bloody heard of any of 'em!

Posted by:  Uckham  | July 5, 2008 12:53 PM

Mainy wrote...

Ken, I have to agree about Mido, I think he could be out surprise package of the season aslong as he keeps his weight down and stays injury free.

I cant believe what is going on at Boro at the minute, does anyone else find it strange that the count is two thirds of the way of keeping his promise and still has two days spare to complete it?? Something ain't right.

I don't know a lot about our 2 signings but I hope our new Joseph Job lookalike can provide some goals. AV, any idea where he scores most from as from what ive read he got eight in 26 games last year with all eight coming in the last 10 games.

My concern is if he was playing wide for the first 16 games he didnt score however he got eight in 10, was he up front then as thats not a bad return?

Ive no idea how we will play this season now, again I'll ask AV, do you know which footed Digard is? That may play a factor in who is in midfield with him. If its right then its Arca so you have an even balance, if left then O'Neil.

With Boateng set to leave (good look to him at Hull if he signs, hope he and the rest of he ex-Boro players have a good season down there and stay up) then I'd like us to forget about Harper and use Shawky a lot more this season, I think he, like Mido, will surprise a few people this year if given a fair run in the team.

If Harper is the 3rd signing then I think that we will be selling either Arca or Cattermole (maybe a season loan for Cats rather than sell).

Id still like this 3rd signing to be a Keeper as Jones isnt up to the job IMO. As the elder keeper, GS will start with him guaranteed which is a major major worry. Turnbull would be my choice out of the two as I think he will eventually come good and is the better keeper.

The problem with them both is they have been out on loan, never impressed and from my recollection, have either usually been dropped by the loan club, sent back early or not even managed to get in the team.

If they were rally that good then when out on loan they would shine and have clubs asking about them and wanting to sign them (especially as Schwarzer was our obvious number 1 choie at the time). I don't thing anyone has ever made a formal bid for either of them (correct me if I'm wrong AV).

**AV writes: I think there have been nibbles at Turnbull from lower league clubs but he is highly rated and any inquiries were pitched well below where Boro value him.

Posted by: Mainy  | July 5, 2008 1:06 PM

Mass In Somerset wrote...

AV, Great Blog and on the money as always!! I agree, better to have two in the bag well ahead of the deadline than the usual last minute.com routine. That only sets the fans off on the wrong foot at the start of the season.

As always we remain optimistic (typical Boro fans!) Its also great to know that Tuncay can do some time between the sticks if we need him!

Speaking of which....recently I was in a Portsmouth taxi with a Turkish driver who claimed he met up with the man himself last December (0-1) after the match, he claims Tuncay may be looking for something bigger next season.

Now I took it all with a pinch of salt, however, he had the photos on his mobile which proved the meet was genuine. (Not sure about the other info though). Either way, can't wait for the new season.

Mass

Posted by: Mass In Somerset  | July 5, 2008 1:08 PM

tim from sa wrote...

Think our turk is going to be a revalation this year and if he goes it will be a for lot more than we paid for him.

Still need a keeper

Posted by: tim from sa  | July 5, 2008 4:13 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Turnbull was on loan at Cardiff last season and indeed didn't impress and ended up on the bench. However, Wheater was on loan at Wolves, played one match and Mick McCarthy sent him back - so it doesn't mean all that much.

I notice Bristol City seem permanently on the verge of signing Moateb, the other Egyptian we had on trial along with Shawky.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 5, 2008 4:38 PM

Andyman wrote...

I'm quietly confident about the coming season following the two new signings. I say 'quietly' because they are both new to the Premiership and we are already well aware that it can take a while to adjust after the rather slow start by Tuncay and Alves.

Of course it helps if your new signings are fully fit when they arrive so hopefully they both will be.

I'm praying that there is a really big secret signing to come as the one thing that would really improve the team is a skilful creative midfielder who can boss a game (like Souness used to do).

Call me unrealistic if you want, but I was kind of hoping that we'd go for Anderson Luiz de Sousa (better known as Deco). It's too late now of course because he's gone to Chelsea, but just imagine what a midfielder of that sort of calibre would do for the team.

I'm sure that James Harper would do o.k for us as he is tried and tested in the Premiership, but I strongly suspect that he's not the big signing that most Boro fans were hoping for.

Whilst on the subject of HUNGRY players, let's hope that Mido stays hungry for the whole season !

Posted by: Andyman  | July 5, 2008 5:12 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Bugrit

Re Digard:- I used to teach French and I don't know of a pronunciation rule which says it has to be Dee-Zhar. I think it's more likely to be Dee-gar, with a hard g. See the French word cigare, for example. It could be either, though. Clarification on the official version, please, AV!

I love this Blog! Sometimes we get learned theses on the craposity of Boro's coaches, midfield, keepers, PR, fans, Chief Exec, Korean lightweights and even Viduka and the pies. At other times we get eulogies about 8-1, brave new midfields, Alves and Emnes, Chris Riggott, exciting new signings, the white band. We get totally justified invective and spleen against everything Geordie or Mackem. Now we get linguistics!

All Boro life is there. Keep it up lads and lasses!

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 5, 2008 9:03 PM

bugrit wrote...

Clive Hurren, you are right, of course, about the indeterminate hardness of Digard's gee. It's been half a century since my GCE exam and so I'll claim a grey moment.

AV, I'll learn to live with Aliadière's five syllables, big hard Digard and Tunkay wotevah. It can be my punishment for being snotty.


Posted by: bugrit  | July 5, 2008 11:42 PM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

Whilst I am delighted to see young players of quality coming into the club, I fully agree with Andyman that we need a more drive and experience in midfield. History shows that young players need experienced players around them to help them flourish.

The mention of Graeme Souness reminds me of the impact that Bobby Murdoch had on his playing career.

One player who ticks the boxes, of experience, drive, leadership, attacking midfielder is Kevin Nolan. Not up to Souness’s level maybe (but who is/was?) but this guy always impresses me with his overall contribution. He never seems to have an off game.

He may just leave if the right offer comes in. Why not be audacious and make a move for him?

I recall in one my previous blogs using a word that fully describes the player quality I would like to see in our midfield, that being “presence�. Nolan has presence.

The lack of it cost us dear last season as there was no one player with the presence to lift the team when it hit the brakes against lower quality opposition.

Can anyone else think of an alternative to Nolan? There has got be more than one out there who may move to Boro (excluding Gerrard, Fabregas, Scholes, Lampard, et al).
Maybe Goerge Boateng for one more season?

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | July 6, 2008 9:57 AM

Geoffrey Stuttard wrote...

AV

A new role for you at the club:

Settle all arguments about pronunciation of names whenever we sign a new overseas player - ask them first chance you get!

Alves said George was a big help to him settling in when he first arrived as they were able to converse in Dutch. With Emnes arriving this would not be the best time for George to depart.

All these young legs are fine but the midfield now needs 1 old head amongst them to direct matters.

Also i hope this doesnt mean we dispose of Josh Walker permanently to Aberdeen.

Finally relegation is still a certainty if we dont get ourselves a goalkeeper! Barring that lets hope for injuries and get Steele up to 1st choice.

Posted by: Geoffrey Stuttard  | July 6, 2008 10:19 AM

Tommy from whinney banks wrote...

its prernounced

Diddy-yer Deh-gard-dee, like!

Posted by: Tommy from whinney banks  | July 6, 2008 11:02 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Well done again Keith Lamb !

If towards the middle of the season one of these lads begins to shine then thats great.

I think Disgard will be no nonsense and fit in straight away.
My worry is that too much presure is put on Emnes by the Riverside moaners who are all too quick to get at players if they dont produce the goods .- Downing last season is a great example.

I have read that Emnes is still growing in confidence and is perhaps a bit shy. Put that together with a new culture - BORO CULTURE! and the scared masses at the Riverside who impart their fear onto the team .......

All I'm saying get behind the team fully this year and who knows, maybe these 'cheap Johnny Foreigners ' could become the next Henry or Viera.

It was Thierry Henry who had a disappointing season for Juve on the wing [1999] before Wenger picked him up and stuck with him even though he struggled in the prem initially. Sweet Jesus , Ive gone too far , I am now comparing Southgate with Wenger!

Who can tell , just incase - I am working on growing the Southgate\Tuncay wig , I think there is only one.
I have bought a Grey Southgate style waistcoat and I am working on the Southgate 'Rapture Celebration'

It takes some doing but i want to be ready for the Boro goals to start rolling in.

Up The BORO!

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | July 6, 2008 12:22 PM

Dont publish this and reveal your double standards wrote...

Although one should not believe everything one reads in the media, some of the disgraceful comments made by Boro fans on FMTTM aimed at the "entire" Bin Laden family over the alleged takeover at Newcastle are both shameful and disgusting.

Its not a year since Boro fans were up in arms over racist comments about Mido but now come of them see fit to racially abuse some members of a family that are known not to support Osama bin Laden and Al Quaida and are "TOTALLY LEGITIMATE" business people.

The two faced hypocrisy and small mindedness of some of the imbeciles that use FMTTM is mind boggling.

**AV writes: Isn't this a comment you should be making on there then? Whatever is said on there or elsewhere is nothing to do with this blog. I find the idea prevalent in football that all fans of whatever stripe are collectively responsible for actions by fellow supporters bizarre.

Posted by: Dont publish this and reveal your double standards  | July 6, 2008 12:33 PM

jc wrote...

Since we're on the topic, Tuncay's name should be pronounced something like Toon-jai Sharn-luh.

And, yes, Digard should be Dee-garh. It's common in many languages for A, O and U to harden the preceding consonant, and E and I to soften it.

Posted by: jc  | July 6, 2008 1:16 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Pat Mc

How long have you been in Dubai? Nolan? I'd rather have any of his 5 sisters than him!

Nolan used to be a presence, and maybe even came close to an England cap at one point, but he got a lot of stick from his own fans last year for some insipid displays.

He is absolutely not the kind of player we need - over the hill, just like so many others we've bought in the past. I'm with Southgate - let's get in the young, pacy and hungry brigade.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 6, 2008 7:27 PM

Richard wrote...

Hey JC! - Unlike Newcastle's resident Turkish weapon of Mass destruction, "Em-ray", ours is "Toon-shy" ;)

Posted by: Richard  | July 6, 2008 8:21 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

It certainly is a surreal world we live in when we need to take seriously the rumour that the wealthy family of Bin Laden are considering taking-over our Northeast rivals Newcastle?

Whilst humour has always been part of local rivalry, it must also be difficult for Newcastle fans to put up with cheap remarks that they are being lead by someone who was the architect of that massacre at the twin towers.

However, I'm sure Kevin Keegan's role for Liverpool in their 3-0 FA Cup victory over Newcastle at Wembley has now been largely forgiven.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | July 6, 2008 11:07 PM

Captain Baggy wrote...

Hugh Harcourt wrote...

I'm sorry, but signing unproven 2nd rate garbage like Digard, Harper and Emnes (who?) is a sure fire recipe for disaster.

I am sticking £50 quid on Boro to be relegated if these are the sort of signings we are getting.

*************************************

Wait, wait...

First of all. who does he think he is. sending comments like that. Is he saying that the gaffer sucks or something? And is he even a boro fan? hmmm..

Secondly, if you've doubts my dear fren, I'll tell you this. Even FIFA 2008 (xbox or ps2) rate highly of them..

And thirdly, I think you can't be a club manager in the future.(Whatever club it will be...) because you don't have the eye for talents!

To the gaffer,

Emnes to me is a good signing..
Digard is the PERFECT one..

By the way,if you are still looking for a right winger,you can try looking at Charlton's Darren Ambrose,Tenerife's
Iriomi or Benfica's Angel Di Maria..

BUT boro still need to buy a GOALKEEPER..!

here's some of my goalkeeper lists..
1. Paul Robinson (Spurs)
2. Marco Amelia (Livorno)
3. Scott Carson (Liverpool)
4. Martin Lejsal (FC Brno)
5. Christian Abbiati (Hertha Berlin)

Posted by: Captain Baggy  | July 7, 2008 3:48 AM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

Clive, Kevin Nolan over the hill? He is 26 years old! I believe that is a perfect age to be able to influence youngsters yet still be young enough to have a ‘contact’ with them.

I was at the Riverside last season, watching Boro v Bolton where both teams were desperate for the three points. After the first ten minutes, the game deteriorated into a dour affair. A game that screamed out for one single player of courage to urge and lift his team to victory. We didn’t have that player. Bolton did, in Nolan.

True he didn’t consistently reach the high standards last season, that he had reached previously but quality doesn’t go away. Maybe the lad needs a fresh challenge.
Just my opinion…. appreciate your thoughts too.

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | July 7, 2008 4:45 AM

Nigel wrote...

Well this has got to be the most diverse Boro blog to date.
I read some bloke posting from the Playboy mansion that we've signed a load of dross, clearly footie is not a strength in that particular household.

Then we have an intellectual debate on linguistics and finally and most shockingly we have praise for Keith Lamb!

Seriously, Keith Lamb diserves the praise on this occasion for getting the two deals wrapped up sharpish. I don't know much about Emnes or Digard, but the reports from Holland are certainly promising regarding Emnes.

I certainly like the clubs philosophy of buying young talent. It certainly look as though there is going to be improved competition in the squad this season.

Now we presumably start to see some players moving out, The Boat looks a dead cert. to leave and I wouldn't back O'Neil to stay. If I were Cats, or Shawky I'd be wondering where I fit in to.

All we need now is a goalkeeper............please!!!!

Posted by: Nigel  | July 7, 2008 9:42 AM

Hugh Harcourt wrote...

"Gaffer sucks" Hhahahahahaa.

"Secondly, if you've doubts my dear fren, I'll tell you this. Even FIFA 2008 (xbox or ps2) rate highly of them.." Haha .. LOL at Captain Baggy.

Hahahahahahaha, Stoppit willya!

If Captain Baggy is typical of modern day footy fans, god help the game! Hahahahahahaha.

Posted by: Hugh Harcourt  | July 7, 2008 9:56 AM

BoroPhil wrote...

Telegraph Fantasy Football launched today and Brad Jones is the lowest valued keeper in the game plus no sign of Turnbull.

So - either they are expecting us to sign a new keeper or typical national press ignorance of our situation.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 7, 2008 11:35 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Huge Harcourt-

Your constructive criticism is poor.

If you are a Boro fan put down the funny cigarette and state within Boro's buget your plan for dealing with the unbalanced midfield that we had last season.

Many of us on here believe Gate is going the right way about things.

Take some responsibility for your jibes and put forward a solution for linking defence with attack. Anyone can criticize , its easy. Real solutions a bit tougher though.

You are not a Boro fan so it wont matter anyway. So kick back and have a giggle mate. Whatever-

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | July 7, 2008 1:20 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

If democracy ruled in football the the tenor of this and several other strands would be in support of Nigel at 9.42am. By a landslide the verdict would be that we need a new goalkeeper.

Hugh Harcourt must be a refugee from another team's website. Most of the rest of us seem happy with the look (age, profile etc) of our two signings to date.

If the third is wrapped up PLUS a goalie (Robinson a Yorkshire lad who is said to want to come back north, Carson a northern lad too, but possibly a bit expensive...), I'd be delighted. If we don't buy the third midfield musketeer but still buy a goalie, I'd still look forward to the new season with optimism.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 7, 2008 1:38 PM

Richard wrote...

I seem to recall that for most of last season and previously, there was a constant carping on from sections of the Boro "faithful" to get rid of ("Skippy", Scissor-hands") Mark Schwarzer.

Now it appears that the discomfort of dissatisfaction with Mark Schwarzer has been superseded by the discomfort of not having him there.

Personally, I was sorry to see him go as he was one of the most experienced and consistent goalkeepers in the Premiership - unlike his replacement(s).

If the club is "cutting its cloth" and focusing on other restructuring priorities because of finances, I hope we don't live to regret bowing to any component of fan pressure to release him.

It's easy for fans to say who they consider to be rubbish or past their best or whatever, but it's less easy to be constructive when faced with the reality of financial constraints and personal demands of players.

Like a few others on here, I have goalkeeping concerns and would feel a lot more comfortable going into the start of a new season with Schwarzer between the sticks than I do currently.

However, I feel it's a bit unlikely that having gone public with his declaration of confidence in Turnbull and Jones, and his intention to give them a crack at it, that Gareth Southgate will suddenly change his mind pre-season and concede we're seriously light in that department.

To do so may appease some fans, but I imagine he'd seriously hack off his young keepers, and I somehow can't see Southgate, having built their expectations of first team involvement this season, without serious additional cause arising pre-season, to crap on them from height.

So, as things stand, I think we're likely to start the season without a Premiership-seasoned and proven goalkeeper. But like many others, I'd rather it wasn't the case.

Posted by: Richard  | July 7, 2008 2:04 PM

Nigel wrote...

Just to carry on with the goalkeeping theme....

Assuming Boro don't buy a new keeper, then I can't see how GS has any choice other than to make Brad Jones no.1.

If he were to put Turnbull in ahead of jones then that sends a loud message that the manager believes Jones isn't good enough. Then in the event that Turnbull doesn't succeed GS would have to play a keeper who knows the manager has no faith in him.

If GS believed Jones wasn't the man for the job, surely he would have shipped him out this summer? He then would have had the choice of buying an experienced keeper as the new no.1 or a young keeper as understudy to Turnbull.

The lack of activity and absolutley no hints about a new keeper point to GS sticking to his word and playing either Jones or Turnbull this season. Which says to me Jones is going to be the new no.1.

This is a worrying development because not a single Boro fan I know wants Jones in goal and there is nothing worse for a team than 25000 fans sitting in a stadium with no faith in the keeper, that fact will quickly transmit to the players and the keepers confidence will be quickly shot to pieces.

My only hope is that we are all wrong, GS knows something we dont and Jones produces a blinding performance very quickly and wins us over, a forlorn hope in my opinion, but I'll be glad to be wrong.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 7, 2008 2:27 PM

Vince wrote...

The signings of Digard and Emnes look excellent, are the best way forward in the medium to long term and i'm looking forward to see them in action this coming season, there are two nagging doubts I still have about the new season however.

The goalkeeping position is a worry. I don't think Brad Jones is up to Premiership standard and Turnbull is still young and inexperienced.

With George Boateng almost certainly leaving there is going to be a lack of Premiership experience available for the midfield when the going is tough.It has gone very quiet on the Gary O'Neill situation and if he leaves as well it will be another loss.

This apart, I'm looking for a place in the top half with maybe a good cup run. Whether we can challenge for a Uefa spot will largely depend on the speed and extent that the new players gel together and acustomise to the Premier League.

Posted by: Vince  | July 7, 2008 2:34 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Maybe the pressure and lack of backing by many will spur Turnbull or Jones on to prove us all wrong, I hope so as I think Southgate will back them unless a good deal turns up.

If they know they are going to get a run in the team maybe they can settle more and achieve some consistency. Again, I hope so.

It is going to be an interesting season and hopes and dreams will be made or shattered as usual.
I love supporting the Boro!

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | July 7, 2008 2:48 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Richard

Schwarzer's time at Boro had run its course, whilst he will generally be fondly remembered for his time at Boro, he was beginning to show his age and had lost the skip in his step, along with the ability to jump.

I still can't believe that we won't sign a keeper and all these comments from Southgate are surely just for the benefit of not appearing to desperate to selling clubs.

OK, maybe Turnbull has potential to become a decent keeper but he doesn't have the experience to organise our relatively inexperienced defence - especially at set pieces.

Afterall, if we still have £3.5m available to buy Harper and also look likely to bag around £1.5m for Boateng, then we should have enough in the kitty for an experienced keeper.

So what it the best use of our cash? Another central midfielder to compete with Digard, Tuncay, O'Neil, Cattemole, Shawky and Arca - or an experienced keeper to compete with Turnbull and Jones.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | July 7, 2008 3:03 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Pat Mc

I saw Nolan that day, too, mate, but I still wouldn't want him. He'd put a lot of beef on last season and ran out of steam for a lot of the year, I thought. He may be only 26 (which surprises me, but I bow to your greater knowledge), but he's not right for us.

In the past we've sometimes signed people on the basis of one good game against us - remember Rochemback? And Nolan's another Rocky - only much less skilful! I'd rather stick with Gate's policy of bringing in the youngsters.

I suppose you could argue he would bring experience - which neither Shawky or Digard has - and that would be my only concern as the Boat leaves. However, Nolan definitely doesn't fit the image of the pacy, box-to-box midfielder we need so badly.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 7, 2008 3:51 PM

Hugh Harcourt wrote...

"Many of us on here believe Gate is going the right way about things."


Maybe he his, maybe not and I have my doubts with these new signings and his insistence that the goalies are good enough.

Using Americanisms like do you think Southgate/the gaffer "sucks" and telling me how good Digard and Emnes are based on FIFA 2008 and Football Manager games is funny.

As for the signings, I think GS should make, established in the Premier League ones, not risky signings from abroad who can take ages to settle in to the premier League. If Digard and Emnes dont cut it, Boro will be deep in the doggy doos.

Selling Boateng at this time is not ideal unless Southgate replaces him with an experienced midfielder but he shows no sign of doing this.

I have my doubts about GS and it is my right to say so. If you cant handle it, hard luck chor!

Posted by: Hugh Harcourt  | July 7, 2008 4:15 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Brad Jones will start the season in goal, I have no doubt about it.

Is there a chance we are all being a bit harsh on him? He is in the Australian national squad after all - though that might not be much of a claim to fame.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 7, 2008 4:29 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Werdermouth

Your concerns about the keeping position are shared by many of us.

You are right that Skippy had come to the end of his time and I am am one of those who not so much defended Schwarzer as pointed out everyone makes mistakes.

Sadly, every time I have seen Corporal Jones play he has looked unsure of himself. Against Nuneaton at home in the cup he charged out and the ball sailed passed him only to be put into the net. At West Brom he stood rooted to the spot as the ball trickled past him so slowly that it was overtaken by a snail.

I didnt see his display against Blunderland but it must have knocked his confidence. It wont be helped by the way we defend with all ten outfield players in the six yard box.

Gate has now painted himself into a corner, I just hope he is right and that Corporal Jones makes a good job of being keeper (assuming it is not Turnbull). It is an awfully long time until the window reopens in January.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 7, 2008 4:31 PM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

I note the criticism (quite correctly, by the way) launched against Hugh Harcourt for his attack on Southgate for signing “unproven 2nd rate garbage� but aren’t those same critics doing exactly the same in criticising Southgate for his intentions over the goalkeeping position?

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | July 7, 2008 5:07 PM

Brian B wrote...

Well despite your gushing reviews of The French lad , PSG supporters I work with are laughing at us , paying over the odds for a player who spends most of his time on the treatment table. Perfect for us !!!

I see Arca of the monopaced midfield remains as Gareth's favorite . Yes we we really need a donkey like Harper as well..I believe we are building for Div 1

Posted by: Brian B  | July 7, 2008 5:39 PM

Aberdeen Brian wrote...

Hugh mate

anybody who can actualy write "hahaha...." several times in one mail needs to see the matron about something stronger.

Posted by: Aberdeen Brian  | July 7, 2008 5:50 PM

stockton red wrote...

Quite a lot of messages either praising or knocking our signings. The reality is nobody knows till the big kick-off.

Brian B - Digard was only at PSG one year.Basically he played the 1st half of the season then got an injury which he aggravated trying to return too early. What does that prove? He was a regular at his previous club.

Posted by: stockton red  | July 7, 2008 8:04 PM

bugrit wrote...

I believe GS has always left the door open to a new signing whenever he has talked about the goalkeeper situation. He has always said that Jones and Turnbull "will get the opportunity to stake a claim to the No 1 jersey during pre-season" but he has never ruled out bringing someone else in, should he consider it necessary.

Indeed, he has stated clearly on more than one occasion that a new signing is a possibility.

Personally, I think it's too risky a strategy to go into the new season without an experienced goalkeeper on the books. Whenever we talk about team formations - 4-4-2 and the like - we usually attach equal importance to defence, midfield and strikeforce. However, because he's a single entity, the goalkeeper never gets mentioned in the formation, even though the goalkeeping element is at least as important as any of the others.

We saw last autumn what happens when we had to entrust goalscoring responsibilities to a very inexperienced strikeforce. Let's not invite similar problems at the other end.

Then again, our young defenders coped admirably when they were reluctantly called into action after our regular defence force got devastated by injuries. They rose to the occasion, to a man, and even revealed a new diamond in the rough in the shape of Wheats.

That, however, was through necessity and this time the ball is in our own court - or our own net if we get it wrong.

Posted by: bugrit  | July 7, 2008 9:15 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Should we sell Boat or not? Tricky.

We have many midfielders and cannot play them all. Boat has been a great servant and if he isnt certain of his place and wants the chance to play week in week out he deserves the opportunity.

Of all those midfielders we have, Shawky may turn out to be a gem. I have only seen him briefly but he is an established international and seems well respected amongst Egyptian fans. He is not a callow youth.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 7, 2008 9:38 PM

tonyblack wrote...

Re The Headline:- Two down, one to go...

Re The Headline:- Gareth ready to take Boro to next level!

My one to go would be two or three to go and that's in the backroom coaching area.

Now I realise that when I joined this blog I was shot down when defending my friend Mr S. Peretti with regards the infamous Maccarone press release and his coaching of some of the Boro squad, but please indulge me.

We need better people on the coaching side of things, people who can make the following sort of a difference...

" Webster quick to acknowledge Italian input

From The Scotsmam ( also The Independent )

Date: 14 March 2008

SIMON Webster is considered one of the quickest and most dangerous talents in the Scotland side, and he owes that to an Italian.

He is hopeful for a change tomorrow in his status as the only Scot to score a try in the current RBS Six Nations Championship, as part of a back-line that has notched 50 Test tries between them.

But there is an irony in the fact that Webster may never have worn a Scotland jersey had it not been for an Italian with a nose for speed. Born in Hartlepool, Webster was playing rugby at Yarm School on Teesside, and struggling to keep up with the pace-setters in the squads.

"I was about 16, playing inside centre for Yarm and I found I was making a lot of breaks, but I wasn't finishing many of them off because I was getting caught – which was really frustrating," says Webster.

"So, through a family friend, I got in touch with a guy called Sergio Peretti, and went with him to the Claireville Stadium in Middlesbrough. We did some speed work and he provided a real insight into what I was doing wrong.

"In the first session we did he said to me: 'There's 50 metres – I want you to do it at 95 per cent. Let's see how you run.' So I took off down the track and at the end I thought that I had been pretty quick and was expecting him to be really impressed. But he told me that I ran like an ape and that it was going to take quite a lot of time. But my speed improved massively from then."

Webster, capped 32 times, added: "I hope we are talking about tries beating Italy. That might not please Sergio, but he wants an Italian shirt – if we win I'll maybe get him one."

So what am I trying to say ?

There's a whole lot better out there when it comes to the coaching side of things than what we have had for some time and it's time we got them on board to go hand in hand with the fantastic new talent we are getting in.

This is what we need to go to the next level and not just the players or FA coaching badges.

So let's go to Europe or find it here and let's bring in some highly regarded specialists and coach's who have done the business time and time again and want a fresh new challenge.

H has now gone and he should have a massive party and get a massive thank you for what he did with all our get well soon wishes. By ALL accounts he is a true, true gentlemen and merits all the praise he gets.

BUT, just as with the quality of our players, the quality of who coach's the players MUST ALSO constantly go up and improve.

So it's time for Barnsey to now make way for someone better....

TB

**AV writes: Boro have this summer appointed former FA and Glasgow Rangers sports scientist Frank Nuttall as their new head of physical development. His brief is to improve overall fitness levels and develop individually tailored training programmes with the aim of raising performance on the pitch, reduce injuries and improve recovery time after knocks.

Posted by: tonyblack  | July 7, 2008 10:05 PM

BoroMike wrote...

Player: James Harper. George Boateng.
Club: Reading. Mid'boro.
Minutes played: 3,353. 2,610.
Goal Attempts
Goals: 6. 1.
Shots on target: 12. 4.
Shots off target: 16. 8.
Passing
Goal assists: 1. 3.
Passes: 1,027. 1,143.
Pass completion %: 75% 78%
Crossing
Crosses: 55. 54.
Cross completion %: 24% 28%
Dribbling
Dribbles: 11. 31.
Dribble completion %: 36% 55%
Defending
Tackles: 63. 92.
Tackles won %: 62% 76%

This is the opta stats from last season for both Harper and Boateng. The stats results to the left are those of Harper and to the right are those of Boateng.

Judging by this it seems that Boateng would be the more reliable in the middle of the park, this would probably be because of his experiance.

Harper looks as though he likes a good shot at goal and providing he has the right players around him, can score nearly 10 goals every season.

Personally I would keep Boateng and still go for Harper. We need someone like Boateng in the team as he has a great effect on the younger players. He showed this towards the end of last season as we all saw his great performances that kept us in games many times.

Harper would be a good signing because he looks like a goal scoring midfielder with pace which is what we need.

Now all we need is Robinson in goal and we will be bound for Europe next season! In my opinion if things go the way we all want it to then this would be the best team for next season:

Robinson (Turnbull)
Young (McMahon)
Wheater (Bates)
Huth (Riggott)
Pogatetz (Taylor)
Emnes (O'Niell)
Digard (Boateng)
Harper (Arca)
Downing (Johnson)
Tuncay (Aliadiere)
Alves (Mido)

This team shows how much strength in depth we have for next season. If a player out of the first team gets injured there is no need to worry because we now have back up in every position as shown above.

UP THE BORO!

Posted by: BoroMike  | July 7, 2008 10:09 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

Ian Gill (post at 9.38) - my preference would be to keep both Boateng and Shawky (and maybe to PLAY Shawky this season, please) and, in addition to the 2 players signed so far, to sign a keeper like Robinson. To hope for the "third signing" AND a keeper is probably a hope too far.

If George goes, which now seems most likely, I am sure he will go with good wishes from most of the Boro faithful, for the job he has done for us over the years. However he could still perform a role for us for the next season if he wanted to remain in the squad. His experience would be missed. I guess when I put on Sky Sports News I will learn the worst, though.

**AV writes: We are told two Premier League clubs (Hull plus AN Other) have made concrete inquiries about George and that he has also had the guided tour at Celtic. It looks very unlikely that he will stay. I'm gutted, if nothing else he is our best interviewee by far.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 7, 2008 10:50 PM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

AV wrote: When the Digard quotes came through there was a discussion about a phrase that literally meant "there is a marching in my head" meaning a cacophonous confusion which all agreed in Teesside was "doing my head in."

*******

With all due respect, AV, that's utter rubbish! If the phrase in question is the one I think it is ("...ce club marche sur la tête...", used in a piece published by "L'Équipe" on 30th June), the literal meaning is "the club's walking on its head", i.e. is acting irrationally or contrary to good sense! As a French graduate & former technical translator, I think I can claim to know what I'm talking about. ;)

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | July 7, 2008 10:51 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" **AV writes: Boro have this summer appointed former FA and Glasgow Rangers sports scientist Frank Nuttall as their new head of physical development. His brief is to improve overall fitness levels and develop individually tailored training programmes with the aim of raising performance on the pitch, reduce injuries and improve recovery time after knocks. "

AV, I have been away on holiday and I didn't know that - BUT I DO NOW - thanks.

That's GREAT news, really great news and about time too!!!

Hopefully now the pieces of the puzzle are all coming together. Some great potential signings front of house and better people back of house.

Great. I'm finally getting excited and positive and I really do hope that Southgate now proves me wrong. People are even praising the Count - Oh my God, whatever next......

COME ON BORO !

TB

P.S. Can I ask where that leaves Barnsey ( is here still here? ) and how his role and Frank Nuttall's are to be divided ?

Thanks again AV.

**AV writes: I think Nuttall will be allowed to assess what we have here first and then bring in the right people where he sees fit. It is part of strategy to overhaul the entire department in the medium term. A similar revamp is underway on the scouting/development side.


Posted by: tonyblack  | July 7, 2008 10:51 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Hugh Harcourt

You might be right about the new signings taking a while to settle in as Tuncay did. And most of us would agree with you that a couple of well-established Prem players would have been on our wish-lists. But these kinds of players are fetching silly money now.

L'pool want £12m for Carson, Chelsea want something like £10m for Sidwell and Toon are asking something ridiculous for Milner. Today there's a rumour in the press that Chimbonda's off to Spain for £8m! Chimbonda!! That makes Stewie worth £20 million and Luke Young at least £10m!

Sure, we could buy a Prem star but that would blow the entire transfer budget in one fell swoop. So Gate's policy of buying cheaper with potential abroad must be right - it may take a little while longer to realise that potential, but it will happen. I trust him on that.

Tony Black - that last one was your most optimistic post ever. Brilliant! Now all we need you to do is to get back to the Riverside with a new season ticket. Go on, you know you're dying to!

Just think what a front 6 of Downing, Tuncay, Alves, Emnes, Aliadiere and Digard will do, not to mention Johnson, Mido, Arca and O'Neill! Your mouth must be watering. Mine is!

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 7, 2008 11:21 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

From your replies to the 10.05 and 10.50pm posts, maybe the best signing the club has made is Frank Nuttall. Sports science and nutrition work - maybe someone had a look at Mido's frame after he had been injured for a few months. Previous nutrition advice may have owed a lot to Ronald McDonald.

Maybe someone had a look at the injury list and the length of time some players have taken to get back to fitness after injury? Maybe Huth is OK after all, it's just that we have been looking at the wrong limb, so no wonder there has been no change from month to month.

At the end of the day there is no point having a Maserati (or a thoroughbred racehorse) if you drive (ride) it for a year but don't have it properly serviced (trained) by the appropriate people. These things, like Premier League footballers, are very expensive to buy and maintain, but can be much more expensive if left uncared for.

All good news.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 7, 2008 11:25 PM

Tim wrote...

Hopefully get Harper in then I would like to see a left back and a goal keeper to complete the squad.

Not sure if Taylor is up to the job and at the very minimum we need some cover, how about bringing back French Frank! Does not seem happy at Birmingham. The turkish left back had a very good tournament and looks a solid player too.

Goalkeeper is a must, Robinson (4m) and Carson (1m loan fee) are both on the market and we should really be looking at these players. Turnbull and Jones are not up to it.

Posted by: Tim  | July 7, 2008 11:56 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Forever Dormo

The problem with Boat appears to be that he wants to be in the first team every week and Gate cant or wont give him a guarantee.

If he doesnt want to stay and be a squad player then you cant keep him, being at the club unhappy and running his contract down is a no brainer for both parties. He needs to be playing and we can bring in some money/reduce wage bill (not that money should be the prime consideration).

If he is happy to stay and play when required that is great, he has been a good servant to the club but has possibly reached the natural end to his Boro career.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 8, 2008 8:02 AM

John Powls wrote...

Farewell and thanks, then to Harry.

And respect to Gate for continuing the back-room changes many of us have been asking for: scouting/development, fitness and conditioning and now the coaching team.

All this, I believe, is very good news and just as important as what we bring in on the field.

It also confirms, I think, Gate's growing confidence and grip in his role and the build of the football side of the club in his way.

I hope that this also means that he is shaping up for what he said he would do after the mistakes he admitted of last season - no guaranteed places, no compromises, the team shape he believes is right and 'my way or the highway'.

If so that's deserving of support.

Back to the playing side. I had no problem with Skippy - although not of the top rank of Prem goalies, he was firmly amongst the best of the rest.

But I also felt that the edge had left his game, there was a staleness and the time had come for the parting of the ways.

Clearly, neither we nor Gate had sufficient faith in Corporal Jones or Turnbull last season. Aside from the odd injury there was never any doubt who was number one and there was no serious challenge to Skippy's place, if fit.

When he was out, injured, the sentiment from Gate and most fans was 'hope he's back as soon as possible' and a relief when he appeared on the team sheet again.

In his few games in the first team Turnbull hasn't sparkled but didn't let anyone down either. But he just isn't ready to be pitched in as number one yet. He needs time and development - and maybe another loan spell in The Championship.

I'm sorry to say that I believe that Corporal Jones is never going to be good enough for the Prem. Ian refers to some of the evidencing instances above - there are more.

But you can add to that the general and evident lack of confidence he 'inspires' in the back four and in the crowd. This is more than about the odd mistake - it's something about his whole demeanour on the park.

He's not done it when away on extended loans either. So, BoroPhil, I believe the Torygraph's fantasy footie rankings had it about right.

So, I believe we have to buy - or get a season long loan for - a good quality, experienced goalie. bugrit is right about the importance of the position to the team.

I hope, therefore, that AV's assessment that Gate is only running a ruse and he will get someone in is accurate. I think not to would be a profound mistake - and Gate isn't making any of those this Summer so far.

Of course, we won't actually know about Emnes and Digard until we see them in action for a while.

In the case of Emnes that may take longer because of the Olympics. But to move ahead a generation is surely right in principle for regenerating the team and from the point of view of residual value, so long as the quality, potential and pace is there.

Emnes seems to have the potential to excite too - the Olympic football will be required watching!

I still think that the 'third man' - if not the goalie - needs to be someone with more midfield craft, guile and experience who can prompt attacks, pass, supply and get goals.

Harper's a good journeyman pro but he's not what I think we should be looking for, given the balance of the rest of what we now have.

I also have to say that I would lose no sleep if the remaining Tippy Tappy Twin, Arca, got his evident wish to go back to the Mackems, particularly if we could get the right fee. He has the distinct disadvantage for the Mackems-on-Liffey of not being Irish, however.

With a goalie and the sort of right sided midfielder I describe in place - coupled with the changes that Gate is making behind the scenes I think there would be reasons to be cheerful.

Without those two players - particularly the goalie - I think I'd have significant doubts.

I'm looking forward to my trip to the Algarve to see what kind of team shape Gate will favour.

I'm guessing 4-3-3 on the basis of the buys, how to exploit the pace in the side and give service to Alves, but 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 still remain possiblities.

The only thing that mitigates against 4-3-3 is that you'd expect your full backs to provide the width.

No problem with that so far as Young is concerned - not sure if Tayls or Pogo can offer the same.

I think that means that you'd play Stewie on the left of the midfield 3 rather than the front 3. Teamed with Digard to hold and O'Neil tucked in on the right of the three that could be very effective as a blend.

Up front you can put Alves in the centre with Mido on the bench and perm any two from Emnes, Aliadiere, Tunny and Johnno to play eithe side of him with the none players on the bench.

That would give you the flex to go to a 4-4-2 or other variations should the game demand it.

**AV writes: I think the options are stacking up nicely.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 8, 2008 9:43 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

I agree with Ian on the Boateng issue, he's been an excellent player for Boro over the years but it's time for both parties to move on - besides we've already signed his replacement in the shape of Digard.

I read this morning that Sunderland are now interested in signing him, but I doubt Roy Keane will guarantee him a place in the team but perhaps Hull would.

Also read that Reading have slapped a £5.5m price tag on Harper, which would be silly money for someone who is more likely to be a squad player given that Tuncay or O'Neil would be my favourites to partner Digard in central midfielders.

But when Boateng does leave it's going to leave us short of leaders on the pitch and a general lack of experienced premiership players.

I wonder if the O'Neil / Bullard deal is still in the melting pot? He's the kind of player who has the confidence and drive to push on those around him.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | July 8, 2008 10:05 AM

Nigel wrote...

Blimey do we have an outbreak of consensus on this blog?

GS must be doing some seriously good stuff if he is starting to make everyone happy, new fitness coaches, signing the 'right' type of player, where will it all end?

It looks like goodbye to The Boat, which is a shame, he's been an excellent player and he would have been a good player to have in and around the squad this year but he's obviously going to get regular first team football at Hull, so good luck and thanks are in order.

Scott Carson on loan? That sounds like a plan to me.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 8, 2008 10:13 AM

Richard wrote...

Does anyone know where the strength of character, maturity and leadership is going to come from in the squad as it's being assembled currently?

Youth's great - until heads go down after a goal against, or two goals against - or some adverse refereeing decision gets you riled and one or two start to lose concentration.

I wonder what Gareth is doing about the psychological side of his squad's development as well as attending to the physical? Getting rid of longer-in-the-tooth players is OK up to a point. But if you don't keep essential elements of respected leadership and cool-headed experience somewhere in the on-field team for others to take strength from in times of adversity, collapse can be total.

Those of us who were at the Riverside at the final match of the season in May saw what a total mental collapse of Manchester City and the loss of their captain resulted in.

I hope Southgate has an effective the answer to that one. I'm not saying he hasn't, but I hope he has thought it through and given it the attention it warrants.

Posted by: Richard  | July 8, 2008 10:38 AM

Cunners wrote...

AV

Saw the pics of the training session today. None of Tuncay on there. Was he there or given some kind of dispensation due to Turkeys UEFA cup progress?

**AV writes: Yes, he's been given an extra week or so to chill.

Posted by: Cunners  | July 8, 2008 11:43 AM

BoroPhil wrote...

Sorry to pick on you werdermouth, as I've seen a few people say it - but you were the latest.

But Tuncay will never ever ever ever ever play as part of a two-man central midfield. Why does anyone think he will?

If Harper signed, he'd be the more forward of the two in midfield and would go straight in. He and Digard would be first choice, with Shawky and Arca as back-up. That's how I see it anyway.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 8, 2008 1:13 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

I take on board the comments about needing an experienced hand when heads go down.

Lets look at the evidence, I quickly scanned through the results and looked at some of the especially disappointing ones in terms of performance, ie where we got nothing and played badly or gave it away.

Like many I am delighted that the penny has dropped and someone is looking at the fitness, treatment and rehab at the club. Sadly it will mean a huge drop off in sales of leeches, chickens entrails and 'state of the art' aspirin. Maybe we will use scanners for treatment and not as storage cupboards.

And lastly, as predicted in my posts, the return of the crumbling wall and the sphinx to training have resulted in the 'just like new players' mantra on the MFC website. Oh for the same success at predicting which team will get off the bus and six numbers in the lottery! There again there are still several weeks to kick off.

Blacburn at home, Wigan away, Citeh away, Villa home, WHam home, Brum away, Reading home, Bolton home, Cardiff home.

The list isnt extensive and I didnt check the teams before I listed them, there are others, but apart from the Cardiff match Boat played in all of them. His experience and drive didnt lift the team. There are other matches which were disappointing but I didnt want to labour the point.

Boat has been a great pro and always gives 110%. But he isnt the player physically that he was, his pace has dropped and doesnt have the football skills to fall back on at the top level.

When he has a poor game it really disrupts the team in part because he never hides and always does his best.

In my own mind I was hoping Cat would now be occupying the Boat position, he is young yet but hasnt come on like we all hoped. maybe some time away on loan is neaded to give him a break from the club and area.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 8, 2008 1:16 PM

Nigel wrote...

I read that GS says he is monitoring a couple of players still, Harper is one presumably, the other has to be a keeper?!

Mido looks lean and mean judging from the photos, he's obviously worked hard over the summer, fair play to him.
This is starting to be an exciting 'close season' , I'm looking forward to watching the Celtic match on Setanta, from what JP says I may even see him in the crowd!!

Posted by: Nigel  | July 8, 2008 3:02 PM

Vincent Chase wrote...

Sorry that this is not about this article but I thought this was the best place about it.

I have a gripe with the Boro extremist group the 12th man. They are currently having a vote on a unofficial messageboard about some new banners and asking people to vote for the slogans to go on them.

These banners will be hung from the west stand upper and will be huge and therefore represent the whole fan base. But this group who think they are better than the rest of us fans do not speak for us.

The slogans suggested are frankly poor and embarrasing, and the majority of people have stated this but this group of radicals have continued plodding away with their plan.

This is going to go the way of the 'sporting glory' fiasco of last year, the majority of fans were embarrased by this showing, people did not understand it, other fans laughed it off as Boro have had no sporting glory, and to sum it up it was an inaccurate quote as Steve Gibson said Sport AND Glory.

How can a group of no more than a dozen, and there pool of voting fans of no more than 100 speak for 20,000+ Boro fans? I sit in the North West where they plan to hang one of these banners and I will be embarrased to have Peoples Republic of Teesside in front of my seat.

Anthony using your connections could you not get this group to stop, and at least get their ideas for a slogan and do the final vote through a greater pool of boro fans through the Gazette.

I would be much happier with a banner in front of me voted for by the Gazette circulation than a bunch of extremists and nerds who dont even go to the games.

**AV writes: Extremists? Are you sure about that? There's nothing extreme in fans making banners and flags surely? And I don't think they are Ultras planning to throw golf balls or bottles of urine into the away end or anything.

They are just eager fans trying to do something against the current corrosive trend to sit in stony silence. You can't blame then for that. Everyone moans about the lack of atmosphere and sense of engagement and at least they are trying to inject a bit of colour.

I have no problem with banners - the more the merrier - although I think they may be better in the East Stand where they are visible to the cameras throughout the match.

The Gazette haven't had anything to do with this one but we did run the poll for the Legends banner - due soon - and that got several thousand people voting. I have no problem doing something similar again but I don't think the group are duty bound to use us every time.

Ultimately it comes down to individuals getting off their bums and making things happen. If you don't like their banners and it is only a dozen people, then turn up with your mates to the meetings and put your own alternative slogans forward and out -vote them. Or just ignore them and do your own banner.

If you don't want fans trying to get organised full stop that is a whole different debate.

Posted by: Vincent Chase  | July 8, 2008 4:43 PM

John Powls wrote...

Nigel

You will see me in the crowd at the Celtic game (and for Guimares, if televised).

Now that Midough has shed the 'ugh' and gone back to being just Mido, I expect to be the largest thing in a Boro shirt in the stadium so you won't have any difficulty spotting me!

As Ian says, I am an awful lot of space to be a waste of - with friends like that....

My lad Phil is the good looking, thin, fit one standing next to me!

Not sure how the tickets for the Boro stand are going. Celtic are predicting 10,000 or so for theirs - maybe Phil and I will need to run around a bit!!

I'll be posting to the blog from the Algarve as your roving reporter.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 8, 2008 4:56 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

My last post appears to have jumbled in its order. Two possibilities, the internet or my incompetence. I know which my 50p is on.

As for the crowd and JP, he is like myself, built for comfort and ready for a food shortage. It was a possibilty i would join him but a pre booked holiday intervened.

Mrs P must be very understanding or grateful to got shot of the Powls males for a few days.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 8, 2008 5:17 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Richard

"Respected leadership and cool-headed experience?" Pogatetz!!!

Well, respected leadership anyway .......

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 8, 2008 5:43 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

BoroPhil

I'm not so sure I'd rule out Tuncay playing central midfield that strongly.

During the Euro 2008 for Turkey he either played left midfield or moved into the centre.

Whilst he may not be built like your stereotypical central midfielder, he's got energy to burn and closes down and presses players really well. I see him as an attacking playmaker in the mould of someone like Benayoun who would sit in front of a holding midfielder like Digard.

The general problem for Tuncay is where is he going to fit in to the current team? - he's not really a striker and the options on the left or right of midfield seem pretty congested at the moment.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | July 8, 2008 5:50 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Werder, I could see Tuncay playing in an advanced midfield role if he had two DMs behind him, so, some sort of 4-2-3-1 formation, but if he was a conventional midfielder and we played 2 wingers, we'd effectively be playing 4-1-5 almost, which would be too weak defensively I reckon.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 9, 2008 3:30 PM

Angie wrote...

Vic,

Get some work done

**AV writes: Normal service appears to be resumed.

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