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Young Gun Catts Set For Exit?

Posted by on July 18, 2008 12:07 PM | 

CATT out of bag? The gaffer has admitted today that there has been a lot on interest in taking Boro's tenacious midfield terrier, England Under-21 regular and tough-tackling, all action free-kick conceding machine Lee Cattermole on loan and one "tentative" bid from Wigan.

While it may be attractive money for a benchwarmer and a healthy profit from yet another graduate from the much trumpeted Boro academy, does it leave the midfield light? And what signals does it send out to the rest of the youigsters who hope to see their own ambitions realised at Boro?

The implication is that the estimated £3m plus clauses fee for Cattermole would underwrite the move for Reading's Robbie Mustoe-lite midfield workhorse James Harper. Times are hard, the credit crunch is biting and there are books to be balanced and there may not be room for both at the club. The clubs are haggling over the price - around £5m - and the structure of a deal that has complications caused by a hefty sell-on clause wisely inserted when he left his former club Arsenal.

On that basis a one-in, one-out approach seems reasonable, and arguably, while Cattermole has not made the Great Leap Forward expected a year ago when overly-optimistic Boro fans were dubbing him "the new Stevie G," Harper, 27, is the unglamourous but functional finished product and in two top flight seasons with the Royals has shown Southgate enough to suggest that he offers more than just passion and potential.

There were high hopes for Lee Cattermole, one of Boro's Home Grown Heroes when he exploded on the scene, furiously ticking boxes with the fans as he surged through midfield, closed down, showed a healthy disregard for big name opposition and charged around crunching into tackles all over the pitch, at various heights and angles with an intensity that struck chords with those who wanted to see a bit of steel in the side. He played with courage, zest and passion. And he was a Teessider, one of us. He knew the importance of the shirt and the badge.

At a time when boss Steve McClaren was being crucified for his lack of visible passion, young Cattermole showed genuine emotion as he left the pitch in tears after a humiliating 4-0 hammering at the hands of Aston Villa in March 2006. There was a different type of emotion last November as he put the boot into the boo boys in a no-holds-barred post-match interview, venting his frustrations at the sections of the crowd that were making their discontent vocal and dividing the supporters between those who thought he was correct to have a pop and those who thought he was out of order to question their right to protest.

Such abrasive comments would be hard to take from a lazy over-paid prima donna but seemed fair enough coming from a headstrong youth, one who tried so hard in every game and clearly echoed the passion of the paying punters and expressed it in the same language but it is always unwise to blast the customers as it creates layers of resentment, layers added too when he also later featured in a young man in lager shock. I don't have a problem with people going for a drink (in moderation) when the working week has ended, especially when it is with the mates you have always knocked around with, but again, it is unwise to be overly visible in doing so once you are public property and lumbered with the unwanted burden of being a role model. It is easy to get a bad reputation in the little village that is Teesside (so much so that one wag suggested the headline for this piece should be 'The Road to Wigan Beer'.)

As a youngster - he is still only 20 - those should have been valuable life lessons. You can get away with gaffes and the odd indiscretion if you are delivering the goods on the pitch (no one holds the late night Dad-and-lad shouting and bawling or the freezer frolics incidents against Juninho for instance) and in that respect Catts did not push on last season, he did not make himself an automatic choice at a time when a mis-firing and mono-paced midfield offered him a golden opportunity to establish himself.

Of course, there were obstacles in his way. He did not get a regular run in the team and rarely started in his favoured central midfield role - but he did feature in 24 games, more than enough to make his mark. Yes, he often had to play in the wide right problem position but he knew that offered a route into the starting XI if he did well. And he knew too that his robust style and the impressive resulting card collection counted against him. Youthful enthusiasm soon wears thin as an excuse.

That said, it is easy to forget because he has been in the first team picture for three seasons now, but he is a relative rookie. He made his first team debut and came of age in the UEFA Cup, starting at home in December 2005 in the low key group game with Litex Lovech then growing in stature and popularity with three starts at home to Stutgart and Roma and then away in the Stadio Olimpico before coming off the bench in the final at Eindhoven. Not bad for a 17 year old.

But it does raise expectation levels, from fans and from management and it is not always easy for youngsters to sustain the spectacular progress they make in their first six months. They plateau, they tire, they take their eye off the ball and maybe start to believe they have made it, they get exposed by better players as the surprise factor fades and the opposition become aware of their strengths and weaknesses. It is then that shrewd managers take them out of the firing line to recharge their batteries and take stock of what they have learned. And it is then that shrewd players renew their determination, redouble their efforts and work their rocks off to make sure that they can get back in and deliver on that early promise.

Catts hit such a plateau last term. He is not an automatic first team choice. His sporadic outings have been patchy and while at times he has impressed at others his performances have been littered with bookings and free-kicks and costly mistakes. His boundless energy seems increasing unproductive, his runs out of position once indulged as youthful enthusiasm now are slated as undisciplined or rash and on several occasions the gap he left in his wake was ruthless exploited by the opposition.

It is natural that he wants to play first team football and given his willingness to speak his mind it is likely he has let the boss know that but the purchase of Didier Digard as a holding midfielder to replace George Boateng leaves him still well down the pecking order. For him a move may be exactly what he needs. For Boro though it is a gamble because if his career regains its early upward momentum, if he flourishes and steps up a gear his success could bite Boro on the bum. An early exit and some success - or even just the perception of success, such as becoming Wigan's version of Harper - will be used to question Southgate's judgment (although everything is anyway and for many that is the default position).

It may be that the perfect solution would be a loan move, the chance to find his feet again, to become focused and flourish in the Championship for a year before returning ready to claim his role but if money is tight and the club need to cash in some chips to bring in a ready made midfielder who gives the boss more options and consistency and less of a headache, so be it. If that is the case then £3m is decent return on a player who cost nothing, especially if he does not push on. Another frustrating year on the sidelines and closer to the end of his contract could see his value slashed and the bean-counters at the club will always have that consideration in mind whenever any offer, no matter how tentative, comes in for a player.

But what signals does it send out to the kids coming through about their prospects of first team action? Two years ago a clutch of kids were on the verge of the breakthrough but in truth only David Wheater has made it - and he wasn't even on the radar back then. James Morrison and Andrew Davies have been shipped out, Adam Johnson has been loaned out and then struggled to make more than cameo appearances since his return, Matthew Bates and Tony McMahon have been injured and Andrew Taylor having made the first team could now lose it if Robert Huth is fit and skipper Emanuel Pogatetz gets shifted to left back.

Catts would have had a claim on the midfield slot vacated by Boateng and Johnston probably fancied the place being prepared for Marvin Emnes and had the hype of two years ago been realised then the production line would have led them straight into the team. In fact the club are spending on importing foreign talent of similar ages, experience and CVs to their own. The only position where the line is still holding is between the sticks .... but let's not go there again.


Comments (74)

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Cattermole has not been played in position for any period and should be loaned out.
It looks like another possible Criss Riggot situation here. I wonder if Southgate can see the wood for the trees here. I would not be surprised if he goes to Wigan and their manager plays him in position regularly and gets the best out of him.

At 20 he has years left to improve and I believe its too early to cash in on him.

Hold your nerve Gareth the local lad will turn good!

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | July 18, 2008 2:42 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Yes, it would seem on the face of today's announcement that Cattemole is on his way out.

Everyone thought he would develop into Boateng MkII and take over his slot in midfield but his progress seems to have stalled

Though sometimes fans can be blinkered by local talent and for all the plus points of Cattemole he is still deficient in many areas - So £3m may well be a good return if it's put to good use.

As you say AV, Southgate seems to be bringing in foreign youngsters rather than promoting from the academy. But I think these players will have a better first touch and passing ability, which will better suit the style of play he's aiming for (Arsenal, Spain Euro 2008 ?).

This is probably why The Boat and The Catt were overlooked in favour of Digard, who is regarded as a defensive midfielder but with the ability to pass.

So quite rightly the bar is being raised for our academy graduates - I think Johnston will make it, McMahon looked promising before injury and I think Grounds looks a slightly better prospect than Taylor.

Though in the case of our Goalkeeping graduates, maybe they should lower the bar and perhaps move the goalposts a little closer together...

Posted by: Werdermouth  | July 18, 2008 2:44 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

I'm bearing in mind your entreaty 'not to go there' with goalies. Keeping my powder dry until after Kit Kat Crescent and Estadio Algarve.

Thoughtful piece on Catts - and on the consequences of him being transferred out in the context of the Academy pipeline.

I agree that the best move would be a loaner to Wigan or wherever but the problem that leaves us with is the squad make up.

'Reading's Robbie Mustoe-lite midfield workhorse James Harper' as you so aptly describe him would seem to be Gate's answer.

If that's the case - and the idea is to replace The Boat and Catts with Harper on a 'two out and one in' basis then Catts probably has to be sold
to fund what seems a ludicrously high fee - even bearing in mind the add ons.

But Gate seems absolutely determined on this one. Again, so be it. But what neither he nor any of us should run away with is that Harper is the creative right sided midfielder that we've all been after for two seasons and more.

Do we think there's any chance of us getting such in addition to Harper - I can't see it at present. Particularly if Gate is waiting to be offered... (Sorry, I said I wouldn't go there)...and also if all the available cash goes on Harper.

In another slap in the face it appears that The Mackems are about to sign four Spurs players in a job lot. Amongst them, last Summer's target for the right sided creative midfielder - Steed Malbranque - who, insultingly, turned Boro down. Now he's joining the Mackems, apparently - some people have no taste!

Arca's not the solution - he lacks pace and as the surviving Tippy Tappy Twin (sorry to the poster with whom that grates) he is far too prone to holding up the progress of our attacks and giving the ball away by - as Gate said last season - trying to do his tricks in the wrong part of the field.

What he offers - on the limited occasions he offers it - doesn't make up for that.

**AV writes: Certainly Spurs want to sell the four to the Mackems (it was reported today they were laying on a private jet to fly them all up for talks) but I'd be surprised if the two good ones - Chimbonda and Malbranque - would go there. It does signal their availability though. I'd be interested in Malbranque but I don't think Chimbonda is as good as Luke Young.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 18, 2008 3:42 PM

jiffy wrote...

£3m for Cattermole compared with £1m asked for for Morrison doesnt sound right when you compare the two players' capabilities and potential.

But hang on a moment this is a £3m bid from Steve Bruce. He doesnt have a very good record at valuing or evaluating players now does he? He took Parnaby off us for example.

Posted by: jiffy  | July 18, 2008 4:09 PM

tonyblack wrote...

Glad to see him go as he's not my kind of player. Yes a local lad and all that but too much of a put the boot in kind of player with little quality. Plenty of guts yes, but not much else in my opinion.

I think GS has got it spot on. We need better and we can do much, much better.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | July 18, 2008 8:07 PM

Malc wrote...

Very to happy to see him go. Unimpressive on the park and off it. Good riddance and if we get anywhere close to £3m the club will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Posted by: Malc  | July 19, 2008 1:02 AM

Ken wrote...

To both AV & Werdermouth:

JOHNSTON left MFC a while back ! :)

PS It is an interesting question of how many pure defensive midfielders do we really need ? Do we need more than Digard and Shawkey (assuming we have further backup from the Academy) ?

I think that Harper would be on the bench enough that he would feel that same as Catt and Sidwell felt the past year...

Oh, and by the way, where was Mido ??

Posted by: Ken  | July 19, 2008 5:46 AM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

With regard to any promising youngster coming out of an academy, the question that the respective club manager must surely ask himself, is “….when (not “if�) do we give this promising player a run in the first team and accept the consequences, either way…?�.

How Arsenal must be regretting the decision to offload David Bentley. After granting him a few Carling Cup appearances, they sell him on, having paid 12 million (?) for Walcott as an alternative right winger.

It may cost the team valuable points in the short term, it may be that the player does not reach the level required, but having embarked upon an academy system, isn’t it duty of the club concerned to ensure the cream product of the academy is given the best possible opportunity to prove themselves at first team level by giving a player a minimum ten game run?

Let’s be honest, the two biggest successes of the Boro academy have blossomed through luck rather than good judgement.
Where would David Wheater be now ((Darlington?) if our regular centre backs were available at the start of the last season? He was given a run in the team in desperation and he has developed magnificently.

After few first team opportunities at Boro, Stew Downing was almost on his way to Sunderland before he was brought back at the eleventh hour due to injury problems at the Riverside. Given a good run in the first team…I need say no more about that little story.

Cattermole hasn’t had that opportunity. In and out of the team yes, but not a sustained run in the team in his rightful position

However, maybe we don’t have the full story.

Sorry AV, but I believe your statement “I don't have a problem with people going for a drink (in moderation) when the working week has ended, especially when it is with the mates you have always knocked around with� is misplaced in this day and age.
Sadly it comes with the territory of PL ‘stardom’ that local mates actually become a distraction to progress. I could name several PL players who have been distracted by hanging out with their mates in recent times, some of them very close to home, but we all know who they are. Dedication levels have reached beyond that.

If Gareth and the player feel it is better to move on for a variety of reasons then so be it, but if the decision to release Cattermole is based purely on ‘football’ then the decision betrays the spirit of the academy, especially when the final position we need to fill is the very position in which Cattermole could revel.

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | July 19, 2008 8:44 AM

Johnny thunders wrote...

Some people need to take off the blinkers.

When are we going to have a good pre-season, and hit the ground running when the season starts? All this talk of top ten finishes, and even UEFA places, is total garbage.
We are miles away from a top ten side.

Come on then, give me the usual "over-reacting after one game in pre- season." Our kids should be hammering rubbish like York.

Same old..........

Posted by: Johnny thunders  | July 19, 2008 10:41 AM

Mohammad Abdullah wrote...

A.V.

Great piece. Hope this piece does not require any editing on your part, but you are completely justified in whatever decision you make, so no comment regarding any ex managers turned summarizers in this pierce!

I would not lose any sleep if Catts went, it is disappointing, but as you have said before, watch out for that second season syndrome. Therefore a testing time for the Redcar Rock this season.

Seems like an awful lot is expected of Digard, let's hope he can deliver.

The Catt situation is almost a parallel of the Jamie Pollock, several seasons back, whatever happened to him?

This is also make or break season for the Gate as posters have been writing, the team now has his stamp on it.

I have not been much of a fan of his thus far, but objectively we could say that the Gate took over a dispirited team of jaded has beens (with a few exceptions) and has just about completed the process of turning it around.

We will soon see

Regards

Posted by: Mohammad Abdullah  | July 19, 2008 11:02 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Agree on your assessment of the Spurs 4. Wonder if Malbranque is being quite as sniffy about Boro as he was last year.

Rumour links him with - surprise, surprise - Villa and Everton. So he'll probably end up with The Baggies!

Chimbonda's OK but, as you say, is no Luke Young. The other two are 'not in a lucky bag' material.

I was a little Boronoid yesterday when I read in the same day that Fulham were in the hunt for Young again and that a 'minor muscle tweak' had kept him out of the squad for York.

Round here, that's the way Reading fans finally knew, after all the rumours, that Kitson was on his way out - he had a 'cold' and wasn't in the squad for a friendly.

I sincerely hope Young stays.

Poor result at the Kit Kat last evening - and only rescued by a Boro Beckenbauer late equaliser.

Jinky an unused sub??????? And - oh no (sorry, I've gone there) - The Corporal was between the sticks for the full ninety and Turnbull not even on the bench.

I can only hope that this was his chance to prove himself and that's it for him. But I fear I may see much more of him than I would wish to against Celtic and Guimares.

**AV writes: No, Jinky played in the first half. The unused sub was John Johnson who looks about 14. Turnbull was due for 45 but had to drop out as his girlfriend went into labour.

It wasn't a bad game as friendlies go, York were well up for it and really gave Boro - who hadn't even been on a full sized pitch yet - a good work out. Digard looked keen and tidy but put his only shot over the stand, Alves looked sharp in spells and had two rockets saved, Aliadiere went sprawling and stayed down a breather twice and Stewie Downing galvanised the game with a brilliniat first ten minutes in the second half that with better finishing would have had the game sewn up.

Of the kids the bright boot brothers Porritt and Owens looked lively in the second half and I was impressed with Williams and Walker in the first. Useful exercise.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 19, 2008 11:07 AM

richardw wrote...

Its a shame Catts hasn't moved on but like Morrison (who i thought may become better than Downing at one point ) maybe he needs to move to progress.

I've played with a few like Catts and some dont calm down and get the positional thing till they are 27-28yrs old, some never, so surely £3mill in the bank for 5 yrs is worth the risk. Of course there is no way he will be happy in the reserves for 5-7 yrs anyway

Posted by: richardw  | July 19, 2008 12:10 PM

stockton red wrote...

Johnny Thunders do people like you engage your brain before typing your words.
I believe Villa lost at Lincoln this week -does that mean they are going to have a bad season.
This was nothing more than a 45 minute run out for about 20 players.The result is irrelevant whether good or bad.Add to that the fact that Tuncay Mido Riggott Young O'Niell and Emnes took no part means simply that it has no bearing on anything whatsoever.

Posted by: stockton red  | July 19, 2008 12:27 PM

Mass from Somerset wrote...

I really can't get worked up both the Catt situation and the Kit Kat outing last night......

I take pre-season "friendlies" with a pinch of salt...irrespective of whatever team takes part. The real business starts next month.

If GS thinks/knows he has enough to cover midfield allowing the release of Catt then so be it............armchair punditry can only second guess the gaffer.

Still think we need a keeper though....

Posted by: Mass from Somerset  | July 19, 2008 12:42 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Thanks for the clarifications. The imminent birth in the Turnbull household may mean that my prediction of who I'll be seeing in Portugal a foregone conclusion.

But why can't we have a good workout and still give non-leaguers a tonking?

Some of your comments above could have summed up most of last season - apart from Citeh. Gate admits we 'gave away sloppy goals' whilst the Redcar Rock admits that if he hadn't equalised we'd have been embarrassed.

I happened to hear various Hammers (players, coaches and fans) interviewed after their first friendly away at a Blue Square club the other evening.

They won 4-2 and missed a hatful in a game they dominated but they were disappointed and angry (not satisfied) that they'd conceded at all, let alone 2 and that they'd only notched 4. This despite their first team strikers scoring - unlike ours.

A somewhat different attitude - the one I'd expect from a Prem outfit planning to do well.

Hoping for better on Tuesday and Thursday.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 19, 2008 12:57 PM

tonyblack wrote...

The drinking and nocturnal habits of players at this club are not up for discussion as all comments of this nature are removed. I'm not having a go AV as I understand that rules have to be followed and so I accept them, I'm just saying and adding to what's been said.

Malc and Dubai are 100% spot on in my opinion and we all know very well
what goes on " off the park " as this is a small town.

" Very to happy to see him go. Unimpressive on the park and off it. Good riddance and if we get anywhere close to £3m the club will be laughing all the way to the bank. "

Couldn't agree more.

" Hypothically " then and with absolutely no reference to any specific individual or club so that this post is allowed to be aired unedited and so as to avoid breaking the rules AV ( again, I'm not having a coded go at you as I fully appreciate your position )when a club allows both senior and junior players to be seen out in the pubs and clubs unable to stand up or in the local strip joint until it closes as the sun starts to come up, then it rightly deserves the effects on performance and indicipline that naturally follow.

Until clubs put a stop to this drinking and laddish culture then success on the park will always be harder to achieve.

Similarly, when a player comes to this club it should be made clear that we only sign non smokers.

How the hell can you be at your very highest level of performance output when you are smoking 40 plus a day ?

We are not blind and we are not stupid.

The days of the pie, the pea and the pint mentality have to come to an end if we want to progress.

TB

**AV writes: I have no problem with making general points about diet, lifestyle and discipline, indeed, I agree with most of them.

The problem comes when people not only make assertions about individuals based completely on hearsay but then draw conclusions that are potentially libellous and potentially expensive that they can't substantiate. Most, but not all of those, I delete. I make decisions on those statements because I don't really want a judge to have to.


Posted by: tonyblack  | July 19, 2008 1:31 PM

mark_76 wrote...

Catts going is no great shakes. Like Woodgate I think GS can see an opportunity to rid the club of someone who doesnt share his vision or his standards.

Posted by: mark_76  | July 19, 2008 1:32 PM

Matt A wrote...

First post on here, scary !!

I thought exactly the same thing as John Powls when I saw Young was not playing. I hope he is not heading for the exit as he was excellent all last season & I am sure all the Boro fans will be keen to see him stay.

Have you heard anything about him being unsettled AV ?

Interesting to read the comments about a "1 in - 1 out" policy for the club this close season. So far Mendieta, LDG, Schwarzer & Boateng have all departed the club. Surely that means we are still a minimum of 2 more signings short after only 2 in so far ?

If the Cat does leave, that should be 3 more to come in the next few weeks. I am of the opinion that a loan would be better than a sale. If only to avoid us looking a little silly if he does "kick-on" after he departs. One thing I hope the club have learnt after negotiating for harper, is that future sell-on clauses can be nice little earners for a selling club. Let's hope if the sale does go through, we enter a 50% profit sell-on clause for him too.

I can't resist one small keeper Jibe. Carson (England International, young, talented) went for £3.25M to a club who are not an established PL side. That is pocket money compared to the fees asked for other England players. Especially considering how rare good keepers are. Me thinks we may have missed a trick there :-(

Posted by: Matt A  | July 19, 2008 1:54 PM

dave wrote...

Boro may only have about £8m to spend this summer and we have already spent about £6m. The choice is between £2m on a new keeper(who can you get for that) or sell a midfielder (either cattermole or GON) and use that money to help finance a new midfielder with plenty of experience. Probably a large chunk of the Alves transfer came from this summers transfer budget or we have to pay a big instalment this summer.

Cattermole hasn't progressed in last 18 months, midfield was weak last season and he still couldn't hold down a place. Emnes is younger that cattermole and along with Digard will become 1st choice with downing in midfield. Harper would battle with arca for the 4th spot.

Out of GON, Johnson and cattermole. I always thought one would be sold. Southgate is still willing to give johnson another season to see what he can do and £3m+ for cattermole seems too good to turn down.

I think in the long term we will do well to discover a gem every 3 years, like Wheater and Downing. I think the rest will struggle to break into the team permanently and will be sold on to help keep the academy in profit and put in sell on clauses. I think next summer it could be Johnson's turn as i think he will struggle to get in the team ahead of Downing or Emnes.

Some of these young players have to be moved on at some point as there is a new crop who will be looking to get given the chance. 20-22 is the crucial age when you have to have broken into the first team regularly. After that rarely will you make it if you havent already.

southgate is now going down the route of buying foreign. Only a couple of years ago Gibson talked about having a team ful of English players and/or local lads. out of the 12 signings Southgate has made, only 2 have been English.

Posted by: dave  | July 19, 2008 5:15 PM

Nick Hill wrote...

Cattermole at one time did look promising in the 2nd half of the 05/06 season but since then what has he done? Nothing except getting himself barred from some pubs. Its best we get him out not only because it would make our team better (using the funds to buy a better, more consistent harper for example) but because he needs a change of scenery and a fresh challenge(similar to Woodgate).

I am also mainly surprised at the reported fee of £3mil. Usually we do our best to get the fee as low as possible so to receive a big price for a footballer who wont be a first choice player then great. Amazing James Morrison of left for £1.25mil and Cattermole leaves for a fee that more than doubles it

In terms of prospects for the academy well if you are good enough you will be in the team, Wheater and Downing have shown this and although Johnson hasnt been used often, he has shown enough talent to be in there with a shot of playing. He probably wont start the season in the team but im sure if he gets on the pitch and impresses more than Emnes then Johnson and Downing can interchange on the wings.

Other academy players like Cattermole and Taylor have stuttered and rightfully arent in the team, we have talked about Catts and taylor is similar: he did a OK job in 06/07 but last year he looked poor and Southgate was forced to recall riggott for the final 2 games so Pogatetz could move back to left back.

Posted by: Nick Hill  | July 19, 2008 6:09 PM

borospark wrote...

We already have a ready made midfielder who is young and local by the name of Josh Walker. Who is a shining light in a dour Aberdeen team, and with European football under his belt (goal against Bayern Munich anyone?)

I know for a fact that the Aberdeen fans would be very disappointed to see him leave. Ive spoken to Aberdonians(?) and they all say you can tell he is going to be a class player
Why not bring him back, sell Catt anyway and use the £3m + Harper money to buy a top class player in a position which we all know needs improving but we arent talking about

Posted by: borospark  | July 19, 2008 7:38 PM

Birdie wrote...

Matt A - your comments about 3 more to come in the next few weeks might be prophetic if the statement Alves made on his own web site is correct.

Posted by: Birdie  | July 19, 2008 8:23 PM

tonyblack wrote...

"**AV writes: I have no problem with making general points about diet, lifestyle and discipline, indeed, I agree with most of them.

The problem comes when people not only make assertions about individuals based completely on hearsay but then draw conclusions that are potentially libellous and potentially expensive that they can't substantiate. Most, but not all of those, I delete. I make decisions on those statements because I don't really want a judge to have to."

I completely agree, however the problem is that you don't need to rely on hearsay in a town as small as this, you just have to go to the local hangouts in order to see for yourself.

TB

**AV writes: Maybe, but that's not my concern. Nor is lurid pub talk and swear down taxi driver rumours. My concern is that what I write is probably more closely scrutinised by people at the club than any other media outlet is, that I am responsible for things published on here and that once something is written down it is concrete and more easily open to legal action than gossip is.


Posted by: tonyblack  | July 19, 2008 9:10 PM

Ken wrote...

I don't usually reply to the comments, but a few points:

Matt - You are missing one "out" player:
- Mendieta
- Dong Gook Lee
- Schwarzer
- Boateng
- ROCHEMBACK

Outside of Lee, I think that these represent the 4 biggest wage cheques at MFC (outside the three recent contracts for Downing to keep him, Alves because he is a league top scorer, and Tuncay because he was a free agent.

Johnny - Why would you expect a team who has been together for 11 days to beat anyone ? And the two squads that played the two halves may never have played together before at all. It's TRAINING.

PS No one talks about Arca. Is he willing to not be a starter ? With Alves, Mido and Aliadiere the likely candidates for two positions up front, I can't see Arca keeping Tuncay out of the starting lineup. Is Arca willing to be the League Cup guy ?

Posted by: Ken  | July 19, 2008 9:13 PM

Jarkko wrote...

As Ken wrote we have lost three midfielders (in addition to 2 other players) this summer. So the midfield will be a lot different to last year (as it needs to be).

But who is going to be the tricky player like Rochenback was at his best? The creative and unpredictable midfielder in the middle? Is it Tuncay or can we still expect a new midfielder?

Cattermole is not the one I mean but still hope him to stay. I remember he has played well at England U-21 level even this season - so he still have potential.

As I don't live locally (some 1 000 miles NE from the North East!) and don't hear the pub rumours, I still understood that some young footballers need to grow up. This can happen but GS is the best to judge this. To give time or to let them go.

Posted by: Jarkko  | July 19, 2008 11:37 PM

chris wrote...

Well we are in discusions with Riga apparently so either people are going to be moved in position or we are going to sell a couple of excess wingers....if he signs who knows...just wish the rumours were goal keepers....ufff

Posted by: chris  | July 20, 2008 9:20 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Chris

Who is Riga? Haven't heard that one. Not Riggott, presumably. And hopefully not Riga Toni, Luca's pasta-loving brother?

Anybody else see the York highlights on YouTube? The Corporal not exactly covering himself in glory for their goals.......

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 20, 2008 11:27 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Would be a shame to see Catt go, but it probably is best for everyone. He'll always be a legend in my eyes after his comments about the boo-boys last season. Let's face it though, he probably peaked at the Boro in his first few appearances.

Can't believe people are complaining about the score on Friday, the result is totally irrelevant.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 21, 2008 10:10 AM

Bradinho wrote...

Are these the commnets you refer too Birdie?

From ALves' official website

"Boro have signed four new players, including the former Aston Villa keeper Thomas Sorensen, a Dutch striker and a central midfielder who was at Real Zaragoza"

What???

Posted by: Bradinho  | July 21, 2008 10:59 AM

Kelvin wrote...

Keep Cattermole! It is true that he hadn't performed for the majority of last season but what I felt was neglected was the fact that Cattermole was mainly played out of position, on a more retreated position at the right of midfield when Gates wants to protect a lead.

Most of his 20 odd appearances came in the last 15 to 20 mins defending against opponent's left sided raids down the flanks. We all know Cattermole's best position is in the middle of the park motoring around the park to add steel to the midfield.So dont you think it is a little too harsh for us to critisize him for not performing?

£3million pounds is the numbers bandied around for his services. For a 20 year old who started playing in the premier league at the age of 17,one good season would raise his transfer fee by 5 folds.

Keep him. If we have too many options in the middle of the field and Cattermole wont be getting alot of chances, I suggest we should loan him out with an option to recall him if injuries took its toll on us. Include a minor loan fee if we really are that hard up for cash.

Gates have wanted an Arsenal-like style of football implemented at the Riverside and i must say, he is probably on the right track with his recent purchases. Young, with a lot of energy, passion ,hunger to succeed and technique seems to be the main attributes Gates are looking for, and dare I predict, thats the hallmark for success on the pitch.

The 8-1 thrashing of a strong Man City first team also gives me alot of optimism that we will be on the up. During the last couple of matches last season, Gates played with a few different formations which surprised me with some very impressive performances from the players,some of which played in their former positions ,some of which played in a relatively new position that they never used to.

Namely Julio Arca and Jeremie Aliadiere.Julio played in that left wing back position that he occupied during Sunderland's promotion season and looked so comfortable I would have thought he played there all season. He was solid with his defending and bombarded down the left flank with flair. His passing was also mostly spot on due to his exploits in the middle of the park throughout the season.

Aliadiare,on the other hand,resembled the way Cristiano Ronaldo attack so much over at the right flank in the first half of the Bolton match,i would have tied him down on an improved contract that runs till the year 2018.

We have a pretty solid squad that requires just a few minor tweakings for us to really gun for the coveted fourth spot in the premier league.I shall daringly list out my first eleven as i get prepared being showered by criticisms.

The formation that i feel Gates would be playing in the new season. 4 - 2 - 3 - 1

GK - Sorenson (We just bought him)
LB - Julio Arca
CB - Emanual Pogatetz
CB - David Wheater
RB - Luke Young.
CDM - Didier Digard
CDM - Peter Luccin (We just bought him)
LAM - Stewart Downing
CAM - Marvin Emnes/Tuncay Sanli
RAM - Jeremie Aliadiere
S - Afonso Alves

If we do play with such a formation, I am sure we would witness alot more thrashings than what we could have conjured up over the past couple of seasons.

Posted by: Kelvin  | July 21, 2008 11:16 AM

dave connor wrote...

Hi there to all

well here we are only a few weeks away from the start of a new season and the gripes have already started. We have got rid of the "earners' the 'automatics" and really some should have gone before now.

I now see GS is saying in todays paper "we have to sell before we buy" - will somebody please tell me apart from Cattermole, who else is he looking to unload.?

We have signed 2 young untried players, are they part of the new midfield, because we dont have one at present. What is this "DEBT" that has been publicised I have not seen anything in the papers I see on the websites out here, so can someone tell me.

Personally I think we have not progressed by signing untried player from overseas, What happened to our own Acadamy players are they not upto standard

Posted by: dave connor  | July 21, 2008 11:19 AM

Nigel wrote...

Cattermole leaving wouldn't be the end of the world for me, he's an average championship player in my opinion, if Steve Bruce is daft enough to buy him for £3 million then sign the deal off asap!

Mohammed - I saw Jamie Pollock about six months ago with Nick Barnby in a restaurant just outside Great Ayton, I can tell you judging from his physique that he isn't playing pro. football anymore, he made last seasons version of Mido look like Twiggy.

However he may be our answer to the goalkeeping problem because it would take a damned fine striker to get a ball past him!!

Posted by: Nigel  | July 21, 2008 11:41 AM

Chris D wrote...

Okay with Catt going if it opens up finance to buy. Would like to see it spent on a goalkeeper though and maybe Jones released as well!!! Saw some clips from game at York, and as usual Jones seemed at fault. First goal, saved a shot but pushed it straight into the path of another player for him to score. Second goal - as usual any shot with any direction and power went past him. Lets hope York is just first match wobble. It did look, however, like a continuation of last season - loads of pressure but unable to score, then let the inferior team score a couple of goals. We need someone stronger than Jones in goal if we are going to continue finding it hard to score.

While I'm here - AV, know this is not the usual place for things like this, but can you or anyone else clarify what time the Boro kick off v Celtic tomorrow??

The Boro website and Sky Sports qoute 7:15 k-o. The official torunament website and Setanta list is as 9:30. Anyone going who may know the right time???

Posted by: Chris D  | July 21, 2008 11:49 AM

Nigel wrote...

Cattermole leaving wouldn't be the end of the world for me, he's an average championship player in my opinion, if Steve Bruce is daft enough to buy him for £3 million then sign the deal off asap!
Mohammed - I saw Jamie Pollock about six months ago with Nick Barnby in a restaurant just outside Great Ayton, I can tell you judging from his physique that he isn't playing pro. football anymore, he made last seasons version of Mido look like Twiggy, however he may be our answer to the goalkeeping problem because it would take a damned fine striker to get a ball past him!!

Posted by: Nigel  | July 21, 2008 11:51 AM

jiffy wrote...

Southgate's latest Gazette spiel sounds ominous. No-one else in unless someone leaves. Harper in only if Cattermole goes.

Looking at the 2 lineups on display at York shows how pitifully weak the current squad really is.

Leaving the goalkeeping issue aside at the moment (which on its own i am convinced will result in another relegation battle this season) only 9 likely first team players took part in the game.

In the first half - Huth, Pogatetz, Digard, Alves & Aliadiere.

In the second half - Wheater, Arca and Downing.

And of those Arca is more likely to be amonmgst the subs when a first choice team is out there.

Also subs bench contenders who took part were McMahon, Taylor, Johnson and Shawky.

Add to that the complete absentees - Young (if rumours about him being down south negotitiating with Fulham turn out to be false), Emnes (international clearance!!!) O'Neill & Cattermole (still to be proven to be Boro players come kickoff) Mido, Tuncay (extra days off due to Euros) Riggott (where?) Turnbull (where?) and you just about have defined the full squad.

After that we are down to the kids with the occasional one like Grounds and Hines having had a first team game under their belt. Certain players like those 2 and Walker may have to progress very rapidly this coming season.

Does that sound like a squad with enough premiership depth? Not to me it doesnt. Not by a long way. Barely better than the 3 coming up.

Posted by: jiffy  | July 21, 2008 12:40 PM

dazlid wrote...

Lots of interesting comments, both for and against the Catt leaving.

I am reminded of the TV program that covered Chelseas academy a few years back, and I have to say that they didn't produce too many at the highest level. So the comments about us being 'bitten on the bum by Catts kicking on' are just a chance that we have to take, although its not so likely.

Boro players have, for years, been spotted around town in a less than professional state, Madison and Mandy's were hangouts for certain players in the eighties, if you were there you will know who I mean. It's not something that is a PL phenomena, however the bar has been raised and the club need to either reign these boys in or move them on, if there is a better player to fill the shoes and the books have to balanced then I back the club's approach.

I am not sure that Harper is the right player though, I tend to agree with Borospark, I too have heard nothing but good reports from Aberdonians I know, with the names we have and the numbers perhaps we drag Walker back and spend the money elsewhere, its a long time to Xmas if we have a position that needs re-inforcing, particularly if it's a kind of crucial one. I hope the Gate is right, but I think that it will have be Turnbull that steps up to the plate as Jones is a worry.

I am also hopeful that jinky will get his go this season, he showed so much promise at Watford, but unlike when Stewy returned from the scum, he hasn't had a chance to get a run in the side, if he doesn't get it this season it will be a great shame, because he will almost certainly leave at the end of the season.

On the whole I think the balanced approach of bringing youngsters through, those that are good enough, selling on those that aren't, and recruiting high quality foreign talent at sensible prices should serve us well.

Here's hoping one of those top ten slots will really be ours by the ned of next season, preferably seven or above.

Posted by: dazlid  | July 21, 2008 12:41 PM

BoroMike wrote...

Is there any truth in this off the Afonso Alves website?

'Boro have signed four new players, including the former Aston Villa keeper Thomas Sorensen, a Dutch striker and a central midfielder who was at Real Zaragoza.'

I presume the dutch striker is Mustahpa Riga and the central midfielder is Peter Luccin. I would be happy with them 3 signings if they were true.

Well Southgate's policy is one player out, one player in. So that would mean that Schwarzer out, Sorensen in. Mendieta out, Emnes in. Rochemback out, Luccin in. Boateng out, Digard in. Dong Gook Lee out, Riga in. And finally Cattermole out and Harper comes in.

This would mean that it is still the same squad number as last season. Plus, youngsters from the youth team will no doubt be getting games such as Hines, Bates and possibly Porritt? Hopefully this is the way Southgate is thinking and with that squad of players I think top 6 is a possibility.

**AV writes: As the Alves piece was written the day before the lads arrived back for pre-season I took the Dutch striker to be Emnes and the rest to be scraps of media speculation.

Posted by: BoroMike  | July 21, 2008 12:47 PM

Dennis Wilson wrote...

Re Gareths comments today;

Fair enough one in one out, how about the corporal out and robinson in, sounds good to me!


secondly I would rather keeps catts than buy harper, Catts may well come along this year, also is it just me or is harper totally overpriced

Posted by: Dennis Wilson  | July 21, 2008 1:11 PM

CHRIS wrote...

VIC, help!!! Now i am confused with all this! Gareth is now saying we need to sell to buy....but who? Pretty much most of the excess has gone...who's left? Riggot came back last season and has pledged to the team after a transfer was sorted. Downing we are continually told is going nowhere so the only names I can think of are Arca, Johnson and Mido which may explain the 'VISA' fiasco

Mmmm.... do you know anything becouse this statement sounds like a come and get him for Downing. Or maybe the post about Tuncay a few weeks ago has some truth to it? I hope not....

Posted by: CHRIS  | July 21, 2008 1:20 PM

chris wrote...

Levante winger Mustapha Riga ...apparently he's not been paid for 8 months and boro and the baggies chasing him once he gets out of his contact due to non payment by Levante....so the report goes

Posted by: chris  | July 21, 2008 2:23 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

I can't see how anyone thinks our squad is weak!

GK: Jones, Turnbull, Steele

Fine with me - not with the rest of you I know!

Defence: Young, McMahon, Huth, Wheater, Poga, Riggott, Taylor, Hines

looks strong.

Midfield: Downing, Johnson, O'Neil, Emnes, Digard, Arca, Shawky, Cattermole/Harper,

again, looks strong, with kids like Walker, Porritt and Owens coming through

Attack: Mido, Alves, Ali, Tuncay

strong again, and of course Emnes could play as a striker as well

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 21, 2008 2:27 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

CHRIS - it is simple, we aren't selling or buying anyone else!

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 21, 2008 2:50 PM

David Morrison wrote...

AV, have heard we have signed thomas sorensen from villa is this correct?

Posted by: David Morrison  | July 21, 2008 3:01 PM

mohammad alan wrote...

NIGEL

Many thanks for the update on JP he certainly would fill the goal according to your report.

CHRIS

I fear you are right mate. This could be Southgate speak, coded message for other teams as you suggest and setting us up for the inevitable departure.

DAVE CONNOR

I am confused as well, what happened to all the TV money and did we not move into the Riverside 10 seasons or so ago?

Does not augur well and interestingly the buoyant mood on this web site is now pretty much deflated. Anything to do with season ticket sales perhaps.

Let's hope we are wrong

Posted by: mohammad alan  | July 21, 2008 3:02 PM

Geoff wrote...

AV

Interesting blog on Cattermole which only further adds to my confusion on what is the strategic thinking at the club. I am weary of all the noise around the Chairman willing to spend big if necessary. This has long ceased to be the case.

Last year the balance of incomings and outgoings cost the club £5M. This year it is looking like £6M. If funds are tight why lose Rochembach after he finally came to terms with the PL game and move on steady Eddie Boatang with a year left on his contract. Both are PL reliables, now replaced by £7M of youngsters with bags of potential but whose ability to cope is a complete unknown.

In these times losing the likes of Cattermole does not seem sensible and if you throw in the reduction of goalkeeper capability, on paper at least, the squad has been weakened not strengthened this summer.

Posted by: Geoff  | July 21, 2008 3:20 PM

GeoffC wrote...

With Southgates comments today regarding having to sell to be able to buy it has me scratching my head understanding the strategy regarding money and transfers at MFC.

Having read a Deloitte report that we are £85M in debt I can fully understand the current 1 in 1 out philosophy. What I can't understand is that having spent £12M on Alves in January, Mr Lamb was quoted as saying we were very close to signing Wagner Love or Fred for a reported £10M.

Now 6 months later we have very few resources in the transfer market. It is obvious that Southgate has had few funds at his disposal and has gambled on not replacing Schwarzer with trying to beef up his midfield.

If money is so tight why did he not let Riggott go to Stoke for £3M,surely we are well covered at centre back,much stronger than goalkeeper? If money is so tight is now not the time to cash in on Downing, loathe as we all are to do this.

Rooney leaving Everton caused ructions but Moyes spent the money wisely and Everton have been on the up since. Being neither an optimist or a pessimist but a realist, you can only see a battle against relegation based on last years displays,quality of signings and the money being thrown around by Fulham, Wigan, Sunderland etc. Champions league is a pipe dream.

Posted by: GeoffC  | July 21, 2008 5:19 PM

M Hinge wrote...

It looks like Gibson is "doing an Ashley" and keeping all of the TV money and running the club on a shoestring.

I wonder if these two know something that other footballing people dont know about.


Posted by: M Hinge  | July 21, 2008 5:52 PM

Richard Minto wrote...

I feel it is time to cash in on Catts as everyone keeps mentioning his progress has stalled. £3 million for a player who cost nothing is to be honest not a bad return, considering i think we have all seen enough of him to suggest he isnt going to turn into the next Viera.

No-Go for Harper!! His ridiculous price surely means southgate should just drop this target and move on! Especially as Mustaphe Riga could be a free agent and would be perfect for the right, where O'Neil could then be given back his favourite and natural position Centre Mid!.

This would mean Riga and Emnes fighting it out for the right whilst also giving us four midfield players in Arca, Digard, O Neal and Shawky. This would save the stupid £5 million pounds we would be wasting on Harper and also we would be in profit from the sale of £3 million sale of Catts. Straight away £8 million saved.

This would be good considering I read that awful article in the Sun which claimed Boro were over 80 million pounds in debt and had a wage bill that was reported as "worryingly high" Ouchhh!

I'm excited for new season though, good young promising side all with the determination to prove them selves and make something of their careers, not over paid pre madonnas we have had in the past!

Posted by: Richard Minto  | July 21, 2008 6:46 PM

Gemster wrote...

I think the worst thing we could do is sell Catts. Sorry. Yes he can be hot-headed, but look at the transformation Queudrue and Pogatetz made after a few seasons with the club, and they were the same as Catts when they first came here..Look at it this way: if it was either of those two in Cattermole's position would you be saying they should go? I doubt it.

Don't just look at what he does ON the ball, but look at what he does OFF it, and you'll see he terrifies defenders/midfielders. They're drawn to him, which frees up other Boro players, and are therefore given more room to run with the ball, and possibly get into a goal-scoring positions. Just a shame we don't do it when given the chance - hopefully that'll change this season.

I can't personally see why Downing's picked week-in, week-out as opposed to Johnson, who I think plays more to what suits the team. But at the same time you can't drop him (Downing), and why should Johnson be played on the right, when he's not in his natural position? Doesn't this hamper a player's performance? This is my argument with any player who is regularly played out of position, i.e Cattermole, Alidadiere and in my opinion, on occasions, Pogatetz...

So I think it's unfair to say "let him go" when he was consistently played out of position in an already, let's be frank, weak midfield. How is the young lad supposed to perform when a) he doesn't know when he's going to get a game, and b) he doesn't know where he'll be played?

A player can get up to whatever they wish to off the field as far as I'm concered. As long as they keep themselves fit and healthy. It's what they do on the pitch and how they do it that's important, and let's face it, the only way we'll get any decent results...Catts was, is and sill will be a vital member of the squad, no matter how small a part that may be

Posted by: Gemster  | July 21, 2008 6:47 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

Balancing the books is obviously the order of the day after the revelation of the circa £85M debt. The good news is that the club are realistic in their approach and that the wage bill must be significantly lower this season than 2 years ago after the departure of some big names (Duke, JFH, Mendy, Yak and co.).

Gareth now has to manage with the recources available to him and to me he looks to be doing a pretty fine job of it this close season. The likes of Digard and Emnes have future resale values so at least we can recoup most if not all our outlay and indeed if they set the Premiership alight then a huge profit if one of the big boys came in for them.

The position that cannot be mentioned is a big worry but lets examine the facts. Gareth has stated that he has not been offered a Keeper better that what he has already at the club. Lets face it Robinson was dropped by Spuds and England for clangers, Carson's England career has hardly covered him in glory and Sorensen was dropped by Villa because he gave their defence and supporters the jitters in abundance. So maybe Gareth has a point.

For me Turnbull has to toughen up quickly and start to command his area and Corporal has to ensure his handling and positioning is impeccable pre season (unlikely) to prevent the Boo Boys getting on his case during the warm up against Spuds.

Onto Catts, I am of the opinion that in the Premier league performances off the pitch are as important as performances on it, besides £3M is a good return on Gibbo's academy investment. Catt flatters to deceive and his style of play died in the seventies along with Chopper Harris, Billy Bremner and Tommy Smith. In short he needs to sort himself out and looks more like an immature liability than a future England regular.

Not sure about Harper either, £5M is way more than he is worth IMHO. Right side we have options with GON, Emnes and Ali, Left side we have Jinky, Downing, and Tuncay as options. In the centre we have Arca, Shawky, Digard or even Walker. Thats 10 potential midfielders for 4 places if and when needed. So the departure of Catts is not the end of the world especially if we arrange a future sell on fee clause.

Defensively, McMahon, Young, Riggot, Bates, Hines, Huth, Wheater, Pogatetz, Taylor, Grounds, again thats 10 excluding that Arca can fill in at LB.

Up front Alves and Mido with Tuncay, Ali or Emnes offering flexibility to play either midfield or up front should be enough cover. Craddock, Franks, Porrit and Owens have not even been mentioned and to get an opportunity there needs to be a gap somewhere through injury or suspension during the season.

So between the sticks its Turnbull, Corporal or Steele, surely 1 out of 3 is a reasonable gamble? Lets hope so because for me its the only obvious flaw in Gareth's decisions so far!

Posted by: Redcar Red  | July 21, 2008 9:30 PM

BLT wrote...

Why is everyone so jumpy? All this talk of no money and big debts is nonsense. Sure the club have big debts. So do I. Its called a mortgage. It is the normal way of life. So long as Bulkhaul can pay their mortgage then there's no problem.

People take their lead from all those ill-informed idiots on the Legends and suddenly there is a stampede. No money? Like in January when we spent £13m? Or a fortnight ago when we spent £8m plus?

Gibbo has run the club in an efficient way for 20 years and has always come up with the goods when needed. Look at the history and the facts not so stupid scare stories in the tabloids.

Posted by: BLT  | July 21, 2008 11:48 PM

dazlid wrote...

CHRIS,

I don't know if there is any truth in any rumours about Mido and his visa story, but I have to say that living and working in T'Egypt, visa's are always an issue for the nationals.
They are a bit of a pariah state as far as the Southern European countries are concerned.

**AV writes: Surely visas aren't a problem if you are mega-rich?

Posted by: dazlid  | July 22, 2008 11:17 AM

Mainy wrote...

Gemster, what do you mean by you cant understand why downing gets picked every week? 10 goals from last season, top scorer from last season, best cross completion, dribble completion and most assists for us last year. Actually your right, I cant see why he gets picked either, I mean, who wants a player like that in the team?

On the subject of cattermole, if we are looking to pay £5m for Harper then we are dumb and nieve if we only accept £3m for Catts.

I say completely forget Harper and keep Catts till at least the next transfer window, if after about half the season he has'nt progressed any more then take wigan's bid as IMO they will be struggling and looking to get Catts again.

On the debt situation, i'm not to worried about it, Gibson is a sound business man and by the fact he is still allowing us to spend millions on players tells me that this debt is managable.

On the keeper situation, I dont know if its true about Sorenson training with us but it not a bad ideal if he is. GS has publicly stated Jones & Turnbull will get their chance but whats wrong with bringing an experienced keeper in under the radar (on a free) that would provide good cover if the 2 we have fail. Most fans would be happy to know that there is another alternative there from the start and Sorenson has plenty of prem & international experience that we could call upon if needed.

The only thing that is worrying me at the minute is there seems to be a few 'thigh strains' creating in that is keeping players out of games.

Posted by: Mainy  | July 22, 2008 2:00 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

My first posting from the Algarve via the magic of Blackberry.

What a start to the trip! Just as Phil and I drove up to our hotel the team coach drew up bringing the lads back from the morning training session.

Phil and I formed an impromptu welcoming party and applauded them off the bus. Don't know who was more surprised but I know who were most delighted!

The delights continued in the foyer. See what you mean about Gate AV - he stood and talked to Phil and I for ages. In fact, if we hadn't felt the need not to impose on him we'd probably be chatting still.

In my book, a real gent and one of the nicest, most open and friendly chaps it's been my pleasure to meet.

Mind you, we didn't get round to goalies!

We chatted about Mido's absence due to visa bureacracy by the Portuguese authorities; that he's going to play two teams again tonight like he did at York - one in each half; that Stewie won't play tonight - and maybe not on Thursday either - as he has a minor thigh tweak and is being protected. Gate says he's flying anyway and needs reining in rather than driving on.

He says they are all gagging for 16 August and for them it can't come soon enough.

Certainly the mood among the players was good humoured with Tuncay, who has just rejoined, being the centre of the laughter.

Travelled up in the lift with Stewie who had been training on his own with the physio. He was a bit down at not being able to be with the team but said it wasn't a bad injury.

Enough excitement for now.

I'll post again from Estadio Algarve this evening.

**AV writes: Top blogging from Untypical Boro's man in the Algarve. I'll have to take me a look at one of them Blackberry things? Do you think I could sneak it through on expenses?

Posted by: John Powls  | July 22, 2008 2:19 PM

Marton West Stander. wrote...

Long time reader, first time poster.

Gareth and Stve Gibsons have to be commended for putting a long term strategy into place. The possible sale of Lee Cattermole is part of that strategy.

The first stage of the plan was to stabilize the finances. The club has succeeded in divesting itself of big name players who command high fees, long contracts and massive wages. Now Boro are selecting players who earn less and who will have a sell-on value.

Alongside the financial side, Southgate has acted to re-invigorate the first team squad. Old, slow, uninterested players have been replaced with younger, quick, hard working recruits. The Gate is building a team rather than a group of individuals.

And then there is the academy. Its purpose is two-fold. Firstly, it will produce players for the first team. It must also provide players who can be sold on. The funds produced by these sales will be re-invested in the academy or into acquisitions.

The possible sale of Lee Cattermole is part of that process. It certainly seems – for whatever the reason - that his development has been slower than might have been anticipated. Perhaps he does not buy into the team plan. Maybe there are better players available at other clubs - or in the academy.

Or maybe the offer for him was simply too good to turn down: £3million for a player who cannot command a permanent place in the first team seems a lot to me. If Lee Cattermole stays and does not play much this season his value will depreciate.

Have faith in Gareth’s judgement. I would rather we have a manager who knows what he wants to achieve, has a strategy for achieving it – and has the courage to follow his plan - rather than one who does not see beyond the short-term, acts on whims and who makes decisions just to please the crowd.

Posted by: Marton West Stander.  | July 22, 2008 2:23 PM

Nigel wrote...

Excellent post from 'our man in the Algarve', I hope John that your blackberry is organic/free range etc!?
I'll be watching the match tonight from me mate's sofa as he has Setanta being of Irish heritage and into Gaelic football (a confusing game if ever there was one!) and a Man Utd. fan - nobody's perfect!
I'll be looking to see if Jamie Pollock has a place on the bench as a stand in goalie and will keep an eye out for JP in the crowd - haven't got a clue what he looks like....like.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 22, 2008 3:58 PM

Gemster wrote...

In response to your question Mainy: I'm not keen on Downing as a player, and never have been. As I said on my website just the other day: "Not sure on Downing if I'm honest. He's not a bad player - far from it; I just prefer Johnson's style of play." I've never said he's as great as everyone said he was/is, and I'm sorry but Johnson has impressed me more in the games he's played in.

It's all good and well him being the club's best at all those things and being the only player in the squad to play every game of last season, but to some people he will be over-rated and not as "brilliant" as everyone says, and I'm one of those people. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and that's mine. I'm sorry if it offends anyone...

Let's hope it's a good result for the team tonight, despite the few injuries we've picked up throughout training (What's new for Boro?!). But then again, pre-season results are irrelevant; it's the main season that counts. Now, is it August 16th yet?

Posted by: Gemster  | July 22, 2008 5:26 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

My last post has disappeared - "no name and e-mail address given". Honest, Vic, I did give name and e-mail. The system is out to get me.

In short then:

1. Great post from JP in the Algarve.

2. You have NO CHANCE of getting a Blackberry on Gazette expenses (maybe the corn to feed a pigeon to carry the message home, but that's about it).

3. On balance I'd prefer to keep Cattermole and give him a last chance to prove himself rather than spend so mauch on Harper.

4. I really hope we are wrong and GS is right about our keepers (I suspect Turnbull is the more likely in the long run). If so, in a few months, this blog will be full of people delighted for both GS and the keeper, and we will have saved money. If we could get an attacking, skilful, midfielder as well, that would be the proverbial cherry on the cake.

Can't wait.....

**AV writes: I have no chance of getting a punnet of blackberries on Gazette expenses!

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 22, 2008 5:28 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

Time for a short e-mail as a wee dram winks at me from the glass.

I have had an interesting evening watching the Boro v Celtic game free via the web. I bet, for those in the know, virtually all the games are there. I could even hear the dulcet tones of Higgy!

It looked as though M&S and Digard have a lot to offer. I was pleased with the contribution made by Josh Walker and it was good to see McMahon spend time on the pitch. But you just KNEW they were going to equalise in injury time (and they could have won it with the last kick of the match).

All in all, a good run out with nearly everyone getting on the pitch (but still with Downing and Mido to come back). Celtic's season is nearer than ours, and it would have been a (very welcome) surprise to have beaten them. So close!

No doubt the Blackberry is being warmed up by our Bard in the Algarve, so I look forward to his match report in due course. Maybe in blank verse?

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 22, 2008 11:53 PM

Mainy wrote...

2 games, 2 different keepers played, same result - mistake leading to a goal from the opposition.

Lets hope they get better, at least GS is giving them a full 90mins each to prove their worth at the minute.

Got to admit I like the look of both Digard and Emnes, both played well tonight however I dont like this 4-3-3 formtion as its basically 1 up front ( effectively 4-5-1).

Josh Walker, both the Johnsons & Shawky all looked good tonight too!

Gemster, Fair do on your opinion of Downing, everyone has different opinions on players which I wont argue with, I'm a big Chris Riggott fan which I know a hell of a lot of people dont rate him!

Posted by: Mainy  | July 23, 2008 12:21 AM

malc wrote...

Blackberry? You're speaking in french now boys.

Posted by: malc  | July 23, 2008 5:54 AM

Nigel wrote...

Its difficult to gauge too much from last nights match, some decent performances, I agree with Mainy that Digard and Emnes looked decent. I also thought Turnbull looked okay to, he just has more of an air of confidence about him than The Corporal.
Malc - in french it would be 'Berrie Noir'!

Posted by: Nigel  | July 23, 2008 9:22 AM

David Morrison wrote...

WE NEED A NEW KEEPER, TURNBULL ISNT READY AND JONES IS A LIABILTY.

GET ROBBO ON A SEASON LONG LOAN OR EVEN BEN FOSTER. WE NEED A COMMANDING KEEPER AS WE ARE AWFULL WHEN THE BALL COMES INTO THE BOX IN THE AREA WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT THE KEEPER TO COME AND CLEAN UP.

WE WERE FAR THE BETTER SIDE AND THE KEEPER MADE THE MISTAKE WITH A POOR PUNCH WHICH COST US THE GOAL. WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS IN THE LEAGUE AFTER PLAYING SO WELL.

COME GS GET IT SORTED.

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!!

**AV writes: STOP! SHOUTING!

Posted by: David Morrison  | July 23, 2008 9:52 AM

John Powls wrote...

Sorry - no blank verse! That's my other writing life!

Tried to post from the highly photogenic Estadio Algarve last evening but the electronics let me down.

Seems that some of you caught the game on Setanta so I'll try to add some local colour.

The threatened hordes from the wrong side of Offa's Dyke and Hadrian's Wall failed to materialise and Boro were as well supported in numbers as either Cardiff or Celtic, though I'd have to say that they had the best of it in making a noise.

We only got the micky taken once by the Cardiff fans for the FA Cup last season!

In a nice touch, Gate, Coops and the lads came and sat amongst the Boro fans when they arrived during the preceding game - Cardiff v Guimares - and signed autographs and had endless photos taken.

A few of the Mackems players (they are based just up the coast) came across to watch their mates play for Boro (Tony McMahon seemed to be the one they knew best).

One person who didn't seem to be around was new fitness guru Frank Nuttall. That may be explained by something I forgot to mention in my last posting - ironically, he's crocked! He got off the team bus yesterday hobbling and appeared around the hotel with an enormous bandage on his leg and couldn't put weight on it.

Tuncay appeared to be giving him some good natured stick about and Phil and I said it reminded us of every PE Teacher we had ever known - permanently and extravagantly bandaged whilst berating their charges about their fitness.

The game was a good run out and, I think, achieved what Gate and Coops had planned for it.

As they said, they played different teams in the two halves - and will do again on Thursday - to give all the squad more game time and further build them up. (They intend to start playing the first team and subs for longer in the next set of friendlies and gradually settle on the team and set up to start the season)

The rhythm and passing was generally good, as was the movement and interplay. Interestingly, the first half team played 4-3-3 with Emnes and Alves up front with one other changing from time to time.

We bossed the game but were a little shot shy. Their only real threat - as it was throughout the game - came from the lively McGeady.

Emnes showed some nice touches and ball control and tried to be admirably direct when he could. He and Alves swapped the two wider postions in the front three often.

I'd have liked to see the Brazilian down the middle more but he is leaner and fitter than last season and his pace was excellent.

The second half side played more 4-5-1 with Aliadiere up front. They played a pressing game, swamping Celtic's midfield and winning the ball high up the pitch.

This is what forced the error in defence that got us the goal.

It was good to see Digard - he is, as promised, a holding midfielder who gets a foot in and loves a tackle. He made some good surging runs through the midfield and his continuity passing was good, though I'd like to see it more progressive than sideways.

It was great - and unexpected - to see Gary O'Neil back and looking fit and firing. He played the more central midfield role that many feel may be his best position.

I think all of the lads did well on the night but, for special mention, I'd say Pogi was awesome.

Turnbull had the full game in goal and,aside from his impressive physique, it was difficult to tell much from a game where he had so little to do.

A shame about injury time - again! We could have lost a game we dominated. More to address on the training ground!

More later.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 23, 2008 10:06 AM

BoroPhil wrote...

Gemster, you may be entitled to your opinion but it's still incredibly wrong. How anyone can suggest that Johnson has done more to impress in a Boro shirt than Downing is just flabbergasting to be honest.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | July 23, 2008 10:18 AM

Paul Ball wrote...

I feel that if Boro start OK and are not unlucky with injuries, we could have a decent season.
However, should things go wrong, I feel that we do not have enough experienced "Premier League quality" pro's to haul us out of the deep brown stuff.
A point of example is that the rabble up the road were turned around last season by their experienced players like Owen, Geremi and even the fat Aussie when he was fit enough to play.
I appreciate GS is building a "young" new team but he is in gave danger of overdoing it as far as getting rid of experienced players go.

Posted by: Paul Ball  | July 23, 2008 10:46 AM

John Powls wrote...

A quick update from a brief conversation with the coaching team as they left the breakfast room and we entered (Phil and I having trouble getting the beds off our backs - that's what I call pre-season training!).

All satisfied with what they got out of last night's game - mainly getting some more game time into the players.

Gate's wry comment was 'Celtic never looked like scoring...... Until they did!'

Posted by: John Powls  | July 23, 2008 11:16 AM

Mrs Elsie Cattermole wrote...

Eeeee, our Lee is off to play for that nice Mr Bruce at Wigan. At least he will getting a decent wage instead of the pittance he was paid at the Boro and he will also get the chance to shine playing alongside real proven quality premier League players like Emile Heskey and Michael Owen.
Oops, I let that one slip didn't I!

Posted by: Mrs Elsie Cattermole  | July 23, 2008 11:38 AM

Dazlid wrote...

AV - Visa... Apparently not, look at the GM of BP-TNK in Russia, with a gazillion squids an hour BP can't get their man in there... So what hope for a potentially asylum seeking Egyptian (lol) in Southern Europe?? None apparently, Boro should know this and have had it sorted before hand, not to worry, he will be good for the rest of the season...maybe.

Oh and fair do's with the editing, t'was a little politically incorrect methinks.. :-)

**AV writes: I'm staggered that millionaires don't have some kind of globally accepted golden passport. You are right that it should have been sorted out by the club months ago though. Given the number of nationalities and complexity of international relationships someone should check these things the day the fixture is announced. It's a good job it wasn't a big Intertoto Cup qualifier or something.

Posted by: Dazlid  | July 23, 2008 12:59 PM

amy cattermole wrote...

dont listen to that daft Mrs Elsie Cattermole.....she is no relation to him there is only 8 of us cattermole's and she isn't 1 of them

Posted by: amy cattermole  | July 23, 2008 1:29 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

Dear Amy Cattermole, don't worry about there only being 8 in your family. If your brother's transfer at £3.5M goes through, then bearing in mind his cut of the fee and the sort of contract salary that will be negotiated with his new club, I expect there will be a growing list of young ladies prepared to wear the Number 9 shirt.

Oh to be a WAG! For the rest of us, we have to earn a living and lunchtime is now over, so goodbye.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 23, 2008 2:27 PM

Mrs Elsie Cattermole wrote...

Dot listen to our Amy, she is always smoking them funny tabs and drinking White Storm. She hasn't gorra clue what she is on about!

Posted by: Mrs Elsie Cattermole  | July 23, 2008 4:15 PM

borospark wrote...

Not knowing we had already brought Walker back (Boro need to update their website as it says hes still on loan) I do feel slightly vindicated with my previous comment as his performance last night was excellant, which still leads me to question why we need to waste money on Harper, hopefully its just paper talk. Still sell Catt tho, and use the money for future signings

Posted by: borospark  | July 23, 2008 11:18 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

If a sports headline this afternoon on TalkSport is to be believed, this strand must now officially be ended! It indicated Catts has completed his transfer to Wigan. He is no longer "set for exit" but appears to have gone through the exit door.

Best of luck to him. And I hope Amy & Elsie, "family members with attitude" resolve their differences in his absence.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | July 29, 2008 4:27 PM

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