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A Rummage Through The Dustbin of History

Posted by on June 13, 2008 10:20 PM | 

WELL, there goes the final edition of the Sports Gazette, off the press, onto the vans and into history.

I've spent most of the week deep in the bowels of Gazette Towers down in the file room with a dust mask on going through dirty, fading historical documents of massive cultural importance, searching for some classic front pages of this much loved institution. It beats working.

All the major historical landmarks of the old club are there - Alf Common's debut, Camsell banging in his 59th, Clough scoring five in a 9-0 win, the Mannion match, Charlton's Champions, Orient, Wolves, Juninho's debut, the FA Cup final - and it has been brilliant. I just wish we had the technology, the time and the resources to make them all available to a wider audience and in a more accessible form but that is a project for another time.

But wallowing in nostalgia about the Sports - once the ONLY source of a comprehensive written record of Boro matches with a circulation of over 70,000 - made me think how that avidly reading this partisan publication was something that united tens of thousands of people every week in a mass collective cultural experience yet it was taken for granted and went largely unremarked.

And there were a host of other similar familiar rites and rituals of fandom played out across the country that have now faded into history with the rise of technology and the transformation of the game from working class niche obsession into a ubiquitous social presence and expensive family orientated leisure pursuit, aspects of behaviour that demonstrated and deepened our obsession, marked us out as 'true fans' and had saner individuals shaking their heads.

I remember, before the advent of the internet and Sky news and being out of Radio Tees transmitter range, following whole games via Ceefax, gazing intently at the screen anxiously watching as it flicked through the pages of lower league and Scottish results before finally refreshing the only page that counted and willing there to have been a change. I 'watched' an entire goalless draw away at Crystal Palace in this surreal fashion, powerless to vent my feelings at the players and nervous as goals flew in elsewhere. Almost everyone I knew who was a 'real fan' had done the same at some point, often drinking and cursing along and jumping through as many emotional hoops as watching a televised match today.

I remember, against my own better judgement and knowing from the off it was a pointless exercise, phoning ClubCall at the ludicrous rate of 25p a minute on the strength of a Teletext advert proclaiming "Scottish star signs" to pace anxiously up and down the five foot strip the cord allowed, urging the idiot to hurry through the expensive and ponderous preamble to be crushed at the news that it was Ronnie Coyle. I once even followed the second half of a game (Stoke away I think) on ClubCall, but obviously on a richer friend's bill not my own.

I remember the excitement of turning up at a game to find out the pre-match buzz was that Boro had signed a player out of the blue and no-one knew had a clue who it was, where they came from or had prepared an in-depth dossier based on internet research and Football Manager stats complete with links to YouTube video compilation footage of wondergoals.

I remember being bought a strip as a kid that wasn't official branded replica product. From Jack Hatfields. A red shirt that had a white hoop deftly sewed on at home. And being chuffed to bits. Could you even buy replica shirts then? I certainly don't remember any.

I remember not only travelling to an away game at Carlisle without a ticket but the gates being locked when we got there as it was a sell out so taking a chance and going into the home end and keeping schtum throughout a drab defeat thinking afterwards that even though we had lost it was probably a good thing because a goal may have prompted involuntary body language that would betray us and earn a good kicking.

Those things were common currency among fans everywhere, like throwing sickies and burying your third nana of the year because of hastily arranged second and third cup replays. And you tell kids these days that you went a whole year without watching a single live game on the box and they won't believe you.

Comments (56)

Redcar Red wrote...

Ah memories, not sure if its nostalgia or just becoming an old git. I remember cutting numbers out of a white bed sheet and getting my Gran to sew them on long before the days of heat sealed numbers and names. Sponsors were the battered boards around Ayresome Park.

You don’t want to know what happened when my Mum found out I had just cut up another bed sheet!

In those days it was the norm to support Leeds/ Liverpool/ Man U etc as well as the Boro. I mean, it wasn’t as if the Boro would ever get to Division 1 and create a divided loyalty issue. How things have changed under Gibbo.

If Boro had an International back then it would either be some 40 year old has been grinding out the last few months of a career (in and out of clinics usually). Thank God for Northern Ireland at least we could watch the highlights of the home Internationals on MOTD and see McMordie and later Platt and revel in Middlesbrough perhaps getting mentioned in the commentary.

That said there was talk at the time about some old guys called Mannion and Hardwick that were once Internationally talented, famous and played for the Boro but it all seemed a lifetime away to me. Not forgetting Harold Shepherdson our tenous link with 1966.

Now we winge, bellyache and moan if our latest signing is under £10m and over 28 years old and we don’t qualify for Europe! The thought of Boro players not being away on International duty is unthinkable. Brazilian, Italian, Austrian, Turkish, Dutch, German and English, yes English, not only current Internationals but up and coming English Internationals not past their sell by date and better still local Boro lads as well! Take a bow Sir Steve.

For me the change started under the Charlton white band era (nostalgia again!), Mills, Souness, Johnston, etc. Boro started to believe then although we had to sell to survive but we used to follow ex Boro lad’s careers with their new “big” clubs and live our dreams through them.

It all crashed down in 1986 and probably served us right for daring to punch above our weight. We belonged down there with Luton, Shrewsbury, Oxford, Swindon etc.(but above Hartlepool and Darlo of course) but well below the likes of Stoke City, West Brom, Wolves, Derby and Ipswich.

Interesting to see how much the club has changed and progressed. In all likelihood we could be the lucky generation, the chosen ones that lived through the halcyon years!

With the top 4 talking telephone numbers again (£30m plus for their summer spending money per player) we seem to be shopping more prudently (but a lot more wisely) of late by looking at the potential to be gained in our investments rather than what once was and hopefully might still be (and usually wasn’t).

And of course it wouldn’t be Typical Boro without having at least one pop! Does anyone else believe that Tuncay is the new Zenden only potentially better? He should be played in the Left middle of the park, inside from Stewy showing his passion, determination, zeal and getting goals from the middle with Mido and Alves up front and Ali (Jeremie not Brownlee) on the right. Then the Boat, Catts, Arca, O’Neill to fight for the remaining place.

There, after all that nostalgia it feels good to get back to dour Teesside realism and whining.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | June 14, 2008 10:09 AM

Rochdale Red wrote...

AV - I was at University in the north west during the early 90s. As you say, there was no Internet to speak of, e-mail was something to be viewed with suspicion and even Sky's overlordship of the game was only just beginning.

Getting Boro's results was almost a prehistoric experience compared with nowadays. If they were playing a midweek game, I had to call our dad for the score, or pick up a paper the following morning and check the results summary - no exhaustive write-up, with 'expert' analysis and diagrams, just the bare scoreline.

I recall not knowing if Andy Payton was ever any good - the few matches I saw didn't suggest we were getting a lot, and the evidence of my eyes was virtually all I had to go on.

I remember being unable to explain the bizarrely good away form of Colin Todd's playoff side, or just what Lennie Lawrence had done to make everything hang together during 1991/92.

These days, I would know all this via a few clicks on the Internet, and though I can't complain I still miss occasionally the sheer power of word of mouth, partisan local press and standing in the Holgate as the only means of learning anything about MFC.

Posted by: Rochdale Red  | June 14, 2008 10:34 AM

martin wrote...

Absolutely right Vic - Radio Cleveland used to have an open line you could listen to on the phone network - if you didn't keep talking to it, it would go off.

I was in Helsinki in 88 listening to the fist leg home to Chelsea - when Bernie cut in from the left and the line dropped and had to dial in again to hear whether he'd scored. He did. I managed to hide it as a business call but that 87-88 season cost my company at the time hundreds of pounds on that number.

Posted by: martin  | June 14, 2008 1:14 PM

Ste Mac wrote...

One thing I remember was a regular occurance that you never see nowadays was the old fashioned good natured pitch invasion.

Not the hoolie one that had the bobbies straight over with the dogs, the good one with the lads with big smiles all swarming over the fences and jumping on the players, ruffling their hair, draping scarves round their necks after we'd won promotion or got a good cup result.

I remember EIOing in the centre-circle with Gary Gill and Gary Hamilton after one match. Maybe the first Rioch promotion year. Smart as. If you do that now it is £400 fine, lose your Red Book and a three year banning order.

Posted by: Ste Mac  | June 14, 2008 5:06 PM

BLT wrote...

Before tickets costing the earth... before tickets... I remember meeting the lads in the Yellow Rose and having a great laugh and persuading complete strangers who were drinking with and having a great crack to come along with us - owee, its only two quid, it'll be great - and dragging them along. You couldn't do that now.

When it was cheap and it was standing it was a much more social thing. It is almost impossible for me to drag mates to games now coz you can't really asked them to spend £24 on the off chance they might enjoy it and anyway, the seats next to me are taken.

Good post BTW AV. Ah, nostaligia.

Posted by: BLT  | June 14, 2008 5:12 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

One story that the Sports would have covered would be the statement by Gate that they would not be signing a first choice keeper.

It will be a battle between Corporal Jones and Turnbull to take the number one spot.

A few thoughts.

Defences are best when settled and everyone has confidence in each other. If there is to be a beauty pageant get it done and dusted because we dont want to be two months into the season swapping and changing keepers.

The perceived view amongst many fans is that Corporal Jones isn't up to it and that Turnbull will be for the future. There is a danger that they will be less tolerant to any mistakes.

Gate has made a bold statement and will have to live with his decision. If he has got it wrong we know he will hold his hands up. If he is playing games and planning to bring someone in that will undermine him with the players. If he sticks by his choice it is 20 games to the window opening and then who knows how many until we have a new keeper settled into the team.

It is a decision fraught with risk. A perfect topic for a page of debate in the old Sports. (A tenuous link but best I could do)

Posted by: Ian Gill  | June 15, 2008 8:56 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

I see from today's Sky Sports News that Rav is keen to come back to Boro as coach or manager.

He's taking his Euro coaching badges now.

If we're desperate for something off the field (aside from the new fitness coach that we've been promised) it's an assistant manager who can coach attacking play. Who better (to replace Malcolm Crosby) than The White Feather?

How about it Gibbbo?

Posted by: John Powls  | June 15, 2008 6:23 PM

steve h wrote...

I used to get the sports sent over to Germany every week. In fact I've still got every copy from the season that we got to wembley for the first time in the ZDS Cup. A dream we thought might never come true at the time.

There must be loads of young fans today that think it's normal for Boro to play in finals.

When I first came here in 1979 there was no satellite telly. We used to gather round the radio and listen to British World Service for the scores.

For some reason the reception was better when it got dark. So in summer you could hardly understand a thing. I can remember listening to one live international and it was nearly half time before we realised that we were listening to Finland-Holland and not England-Poland!

Posted by: steve h  | June 15, 2008 7:09 PM

Clive Road wrote...

I used to live just around the corner from one of my heroes (Bernie) and go in the same corner shop and bakers on Roman Road. That's never going to happen again is it?

Posted by: Clive Road  | June 15, 2008 10:20 PM

Malc wrote...

forget history, Andy Gray described Tuncay as "magnificent" and said he gave the performance of the tournamant so far on ESPN.

Posted by: Malc  | June 15, 2008 10:44 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Sadly, nostalgia aint what it used to be.......

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | June 15, 2008 11:26 PM

Richard wrote...

Clive Road:
Not sure about that, Clive. I say that because we all have to live in the same world after all!..........

Just after George Boateng was appointed Boro Captain, I was in Fryer Tucks chippy in Ingleby Barwick one evening. Having parked up the car I approached the chippy door - there's always a queue - and noticed that I'd be standing behind a young, medium height black guy, maybe an inch or so taller than me, dressed very casually, but very well - all new and expensive-looking gear.

He was wearing sunglasses and a baseball cap. He was wearing what was probably the most expensive watch I'd ever seen and was talking quietly into an equally flash mobile phone.

My immediate reaction was - a drug dealer! He was young, obviously very well-healed and in a chip shop queue. He stood out in almost every respect from the rest of the people in the shop and from anyone else I've ever seen in that shop!

His arms were bare and as I was directly in the queue next to him I could see the tone of the muscles and the condition of his skin. He was obviously well-conditioned and looked after himself - a real good specimen!

It wasn't until he was in profile that I realized, to my shame (I learned a lesson that evening!), it was George Boateng - in the chippy queue??!!

As we both approached the counter, more people realise who he was and by the time he was being served, the whole shop knew there was some kind of a celebrity in our midst.

Not slow coming forward, the girls in the chippy tried to engage him in "conversation". "You're that whatsisname, aren't you? You're that sports guy! Oh, don't tell me - I know! Oh, hang on!"

Comments were flying back and forth between the girls and George was really just an observer to all of the commotion his presence was generating behind the counter, while those of us in the queue who knew, cringed in amused embarrassment.

Someone behind us volunteered that he played for the Boro and the girl serving him shouted, "I know! I know!.......You're that Joseph Job! Aren't you?"

There was pandemonium. But George stood his dignified ground, unflustered. I leaned towards him and said, "I guess you get this quite a lot?" "Yes", said George, lighting up the place with his smile, “but they usually get my name right!"

Shortly after that, George's game went down the pan. I'm not sure whether it was the psychological pressure of the captaincy weighing heavily on George's mind or if it was the cod n' chips in his stomach!

So, Clive, it can still happen. Perhaps not quite so frequently though!

Posted by: Richard  | June 16, 2008 12:18 AM

Jarkko wrote...

Why people are so uncomfortable with the two goalies he have? I think Brad Jones was still injured when he played against Sunderland last season. The previous seasons he had looked good.

Anyway if we have problems with goalkeepers next season we can always turn to Tuncay! He looked much better than Peter Cech last night at goal. A superb game by our Turk against the Czechs!!!

Up the Boro!

Posted by: Jarkko  | June 16, 2008 6:50 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Lets hope Boro play with the same pride, passion and refusal to lie down when they don the red shirt / white band as Turkey did last night.

Surely some of the Turkey squad must be worth looking at as new signing. The energy they play with is unbelievable.

Tuncay was fantastic, and at least we now know who we can put in goal next season if Turnbull and the Corporal do not come up to scratch.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | June 16, 2008 8:58 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Richard

You find traces of Boro in odd places.

Several years ago we took a short break in the Algarve just after Easter and stayed in a small, quiet fishing village. High season it would have been busy but at that time of the year there were more people on the postcards than the beach.

Went a beachside restaurant for lunch and sat down. Alex was wearing his Boro away shirt - the Argentina one. The waiter came up and started talking about the Boro, would TLF be going back. We were astonished because the few English about wore the regulation ManU or Liverpool tops - about right as the flights were from Luton!

His knowledge of the club was quite extensive so we asked how he knew so much. His answer was that a Mr Gibson ate there.

You never know, might have used the same toilet!

Posted by: Ian Gill  | June 16, 2008 12:01 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Now unless GS knows something that most posters to this blog do not, I can not believe he is considering having Brad Jones as our possible number 1 keeper next season.

Unless it was just a quite time and the official site repeated past quotes, it seems that GS is going with Jones and Turnbull.

Turnbull has the potential to become a PL keeper, on what I have seen of him, Jones does not.

Hopefully this is just old news re-hashed, but GS usually gives out the same line of needing to learn from our mistakes, when the Boro get beat.

If he plays Jones in goal next season, GS has obviously not learnt from his mistake of picking him in the first place.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | June 16, 2008 1:02 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Richard , I thought you were going to go down the route of - Boateng was asked to pass a portion of cod and chips to a customer in the queue who was wearing a Red shirt and it ended up going all over the floor which resulted in a fight and two people got battered.

Sorry

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | June 16, 2008 3:32 PM

Darren Wardell wrote...

AV
You have put a thought in my head. I have been trying to get a copy of a match programme from Oct 23rd 1948 Liverpool v Boro (my dads birth date).

I can not get hold of this for the life of me. The thought is is it possible to get a copy of the front page of the sports for that day. I would be grateful of a reply either way. By the way we got beat 4-0.

Cheers Darren.

**AV writes: We have ALL the Sports Gazettes. Most are filed away and very dusty but I am looking at possible ways to make them accessible for just this reason.

Remember the Gazette were the ONLY news organisation to cover every single Boro game and that makes our library a wonderful historical resource.

Posted by: Darren Wardell  | June 16, 2008 10:01 PM

Smoggypaul wrote...

I well remember waiting for the 'Pink' to be delivered to the newsagent in Farndale Square, Redcar - we lived opposite so I could see the van when it arrived. How they got that out so quickly in a pre-internet [pre just about everything modern!] age looks a miracle now I look back.

And those 08xx lines!!!!! I called from work all the time [oops, sorry!!] and remember well calling and hearing an absolutely shattered Robbo from Brazil saying that he'd signed, actually signed, Juninho!!! That call was from home, but I paid the money willingly!!

Oh, and in the middle of doing the Coast to Coast Walk finding a red callbox in Swaledale and calling to find Lennie Lawrence was our new manager.......and then spending 6 more days walking trying to work out of I was happy about this or not!!

Now, well Middlesbrough News just runs in background on my PC all the time - easy access but no excitement!!

Posted by: Smoggypaul  | June 17, 2008 1:22 PM

John Dobson wrote...

Anthony

I have been trying to get hold of the Sports Gazette report of "the Mannion match" with no success. There was a front page abridged report and a more in depth report inside. Can you please tell me where I can get one or can you send me one please. I am sure that a transcription or the original is available somewhere.

You see, I was at the match and none of my friends believe me when I tell them about the magnificance of it.

Regards

John Dobson

**AV writes: I refer the gentlman to my previous answer.

It might be worth googling that one or searching on the Gazettelive site because I am sure I did a "timewarp" on it and so a version of it may be available in that format.

Posted by: John Dobson  | June 17, 2008 4:51 PM

Mohd Alan wrote...

AV

Re: the Sports, is my memory correct, at some time was it not the same colour as the Gazette i.e. white or was it always pink?

Re: nostalgia, the Boro I think were the first team to display half time scores and there used to be a concrete edifice behind the East End where they were displayed. Plenty of other half time nostalgia, marching bands, penalty shoot outs etc.

Re: Borophobia, doesn't it just get to you when an extra "o" is added and it becomes Middlesborough?

Regards
Mohd Alan

**AV writes: Yes the Sports wasn't pink until quite recently. It was originally green until the second world war, then it was plain old white. It only became pink again in 1992-93 to distinguish it from our other Saturday sports paper, the Gazette Sports Preview, which was a 24 page insert in the main daily edition. Those were the days...

Posted by: Mohd Alan  | June 18, 2008 3:31 AM

lauren wrote...

Any news on Digard??

**AV writes: I don't know, I've been away. You tell me.

Posted by: lauren  | June 19, 2008 5:32 PM

steve h wrote...

Vic, are you saying that the Sports Gazette was white between the war and 1992? Are you certain? I'm sure I can remember it being pink in the seventies.

A lot of people used to call it "The Pink". I'm sure I can remember being in the Paper Shop and people coming in and asking "Is the pink there yet?".

Is my memory playing tricks on me?

**AV writes: I think it might be. I've spent a lot of time in the file room over the past two weeks and can categorically say that the Sports was white in the seventies. And the sixties. When you get back to the fifties they are more nicotine yellowy but I think that is just ageing.

Posted by: steve h  | June 20, 2008 5:31 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Hope you enjoyed your break.

The Boat hints that his time at Boro may be coming to a close.

May have merited something in the Sports but it's not going to drive Ronaldo off the back pages of the nationals!

Gate is quite right to state the obvious - that no player should be guaranteed first team football. He also says he's going to practice what he preaches on that next season too. Good.

Also, full marks to Gate on doing what he said he'd do (and what many of us have been asking for for ages) and completely overhauling the fitness and conditioning department. Let's hope it can do what it says on the tin.

Let's also hope that Allamby's suitcase wasn't packed with Gregg's sausage rolls for his sessions with Mido in Cairo. It's a wonder said emporium hasn't opened up in The Old Bazaar!

Can he now go on and do the rest of the job and get a good attacking coach/assistant manager and replace the still proto-Mackem, 'fill a hole in the air' Crosby?

I'm officially launching the 'Bring In Rav' campaign. No one can doubt his credibility; almost got his badges; says he wants to coach at Boro; and, would bring some excitement to a so far lacklustre Summer - though not as much as bringing him in a as a striker did in those days of yore.

I also credit him - along with Gibbo and Robbo - for what the current crop of players enjoy at Hurworth. I think his public disgust and refusal to train amongst the doggy-do and broken bottles woke a few people's ideas up.

So, some on guys - join the 'White Feather Club'.

Talking of lacklustre Summer....... the trail on transfers seems to have gone cold again. The one legged Frenchie Dig 'Ard flits in and out of the picture with the clubs apparently arguing over £500k.

Having seen the French squad in the Euros you have to wonder how he couldn't get into that shower if he was any good.

You can compare him for value with Sidwell for whom Villa have got a deal at £5.5m. Ian and I were chatting about this and he says it's only fair because if you crocked one of Sidwell's legs then you'd probably get Dig 'Ard and his price!

All the others we're being linked with are 'not good enoughs' from The Championship - the latest being Marvin Elliot from Bristol City.

Very dispiriting.

Buy enough Championship players and you have a Championship team.

And, though we're only a couple of weeks from the start of pre-season Gate is still sticking to his so-called ruse on not buying a goalie.

Ho-hum.

**AV writes: Yeah, it was a good break. I see I haven't missed much but then again, I don't really expect anything to happen until after the Euro final.

Posted by: John Powls  | June 21, 2008 11:09 AM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

Never Happy: re the goalkeeping situation, which I think just about everybody on here finds disturbing, the PL Transfer Talk section of the "Telegraph" has this to say about the Boro, some of it quite stale news (!!!):

"George Boateng could be heading back to Holland with Steve McClaren keen to make the midfielder one of his first signings for FC Twente.

Shortly after Gareth Southgate confirmed his interest in Paris St Germain midfielder, Didier Digard, reports have emerged stating that the 21-year-old is now undergoing a medical at the club. Southgate has meanwhile issued a hands-off warning to Liverpool over Stewart Downing, who is apparently "not for sale".

Middlesbrough are also moving closer to agreeing a deal for Heerenveen's American midfielder, Michael Bradley, although Everton are also keen to sign the player. **Boro are also considering a move for Wolves' goalkeeper, Wayne Hennessey**.

Newcastle's £6 million striker Alan Smith could find himself at the Riverside Stadium next season if Southgate gets his way.

Middlesbrough are prepared to make a £2 million bid to bring Crewe striker, Nicky Maynard, to the Riverside Stadium as soon as the summer transfer window opens. Southgate is understood to be a long-standing fan of the 21-year-old, and has been told that Crewe are willing to sell."

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | June 21, 2008 11:55 AM

ian Gill wrote...

When I was young letters would appear in The Times proclaiming the arrival of the first cuckoo. In much the same way, I await the pronouncement of the arrival of the crumbling edifice of the Berlin Wall and Midough the Sphinx at pre season as being 'just like two new signings'.

In the same way Parisians bemoan the intrusion of MacDonalds into Paris I wonder if the people of Cairo object to Greggs opening branches. I must admit I am impressed how our fitness staff who oversaw Midoughs expansion managed to get punished by having to spend weeks in Egypt. Serves them right.

It is very quiet on the transfer front but the euros have an impact. Having seen Sidwell and Gera move to other pastures not located in the North East one hopes we have suitable targets lined up. You cant force players to come to the Boro but it looks like a fairly quiet summer until the crumbs start dropping off the big boys tables.

I suspect we wont get pronouncements of spectacular signings and Alves may turn out to be the major move of the year.

Still leaves us light in midfield and goal.

Posted by: ian Gill  | June 22, 2008 7:46 AM

Forever Dormo wrote...

I have just sent you a post, but posted before I had put my name and details at the top. You might not even recognise it anyway as it was from my "home" internet address rather than my "office" address. Personally, I curse technology. Nothing to do with lack of care on my part, of course.

I thought I'd let you know as it might be that a nameless e-mail message could be construed like a silent phone call. No doubt I have contributed to another piece floating for all eternity in the ether. There must be an entire alternative universe out there, populated by mis-sent e-mails and text messages that never reached their intended recipients.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | June 22, 2008 5:43 PM

kiwismog wrote...

Steve h may be confusing the Sports Gazette with the Hartlepool Mail's equivalent, which was pink. I remember getting that one once by mistake - which I was careful not to repeat.

Generally in the 60's and 70's, I'd get my Sports from Ernie, who was a paper-seller in Billingham for donkey's years. Usually I'd be engrossed within its pages by 6:30pm - not bad considering the amount of recent info in there.

The other jewel of that time was the "Match Edition" of the Gazette, available near Ayresome Park when Boro were at home on Saturdays. Besides the heaps of informative articles there was a full page of action photos from the previous home game plus up-to-the-minute team news; all for 3d!

Meanwhile, the official Programme had a couple of half-hearted articles, pen-pictures of the opposition, and team line-ups guessed the previous Wednesday when I think the programme was printed. It's only plus point was that it held the key to the half-time scoreboard teams - poor value for 6d!

**AV writes: Ah, the match edition. One of my first jobs on sport - before I made the Saturday first team squad - was compiling and designing that wraparound. Great fun.

Posted by: kiwismog  | June 23, 2008 2:14 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

Well it’s certainly all-quiet on the transfer front, though as you suggest AV it’s probably just the lull before the post-Euro storm.

It’s also looking like there will be a bit of a shake-up with the players from the top clubs this year, which may mean there are chances to pick up a few quality crumbs from their overflowing tables.

Even so, it seems that Boro’s transfer policy is all very low key. When players like Schweinsteiger declare that they fancy a move to the Premiership it used to be a possibility that Boro would be in the mix – but today he’s more likely to end up at Spurs, Villa or Newcastle.

I think Schweinsteiger would be exactly the type of driving attacking midfielder who would lift the team and make the difference between challenging for Europe or being content to stay out of trouble

We’ve got room to splash out one top player in this transfer window and it needs to happen soon.

Let’s also hope that the Digard deal is sorted soon and that we don’t lose him to the Barcodes during long drawn out negotiations in order to save a few quid in order to pick up a Championship bargain.

I note that the Paul Robinson rumours are starting to surface again – I can’t believe that Southgate is seriously thinking of starting a campaign with Corporal Jones and the potential promise of Turnbull – he’s not stupid and must see it pretty much as the fans do.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | June 23, 2008 6:59 AM

John Powls wrote...

So, Ince as Blackburn manager.

This coming season will be an interesting comparison between him and Gate, each at similarly resourced clubs.

McFadden? Nooooo-ooo-oo!! Moyes is no bad judge of a player - didn't play him regularly despite the odd spectacular goal and shifted him to Brum when he could.

Even in a struggling side he couldn't make the first team regularly, despite, again, the odd goal. Now they want to make a profit on selling him.

Something wrong there, methinks. We should keep well clear.

Posted by: John Powls  | June 23, 2008 7:51 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Werdermouth

I dont know which is more worrying about Gates pronouncements over Corporal Jones and Turnbull.

1. The fact he actually believes what he is saying.
or

2. It could be a smokescreen for moves already underway.

The thing everyone admires about Gate is that he tries to tell the truth and doesnt 'lie'. The answers to all the questions about any incoming players has been that we are always looking to strengthen the squad. But he has openly come out and stated he is not looking for a new keeper.

At face value he is making a rash decision because in either case he is on a hiding to nothing unless AV has some insight into what was exactly said and in what context.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | June 23, 2008 9:37 AM

Nigel wrote...

Just picking up on John Powls thread, I understand that a new branch of the 'Parmo Express' franchise has just opened in Cairo.

I was at Schipol airport, Amsterdam the day after Holland stuffed France, the passport control officer asked me with a big grin who I was supporting in the Euro's , thinking on my feet I replied Turkey. His mate laughed out loud, I bet he's not laughing now!

I hope Boro have adopted a new low profile approach to speaking on transfer targets, last season Steve Gibson told us to expect a 'spectacular' and made himself look foolish, this year its near silence which is the right approach in my book. The talking should be done after the player has signed.

In the meantime we're bound to be linked with every championship player looking for a deal and other prem. cast offs such as Alan Smith, doesn't mean we will sign them though. I For one am happy to enjoy the summer without too much speculation and to wait a few more weeks to see who arrives.

For me the key to next season isn't so much who we sign but how the squad pulls together plays consistently and with determination and gets off to a good start.

Posted by: Nigel  | June 23, 2008 10:38 AM

David W. wrote...

Just read this article and it brought back many memories from days gone by.

My father worked at the Gazette for about 50 years, so when I was in my early teens, I was able to get a job there on a Saturday afternoon, for the princely sum of five shillings.

In those pre-email days, match reports and goal flashes were telephoned in by the reporter to a typist, who then passed the copy to me for onward distribution.

I still remember a very busy afternoon in August 1958, when Boro beat Brighton 9-0, Clough 5, Peacock 2 and 2 Harris penalties.

I was also lucky enough to get into the keyboard box, for evening matches at Ayresome Park, where the half-time scores from other games were displayed. It was always a thrill, to put up a score showing that Sunderland were losing and hearing the resulting roar from the crowd.

Both father and I, are now Boro exiles, but we are still avid fans and at 93, I suppose he must be one of the oldest.

Posted by: David W.  | June 23, 2008 11:11 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

Ian

Yes, it's all a bit odd from Gareth. I can only assume that he's been asked the question and attempted to fudge it in order to not show his negotiating hand - after all everyone knows that we've lost our first-choice keeper for the last 10 years.

He may well believe that Turnbull could make it given a run in the side and is trying to keep the 'leapfrogged' Jones sweet so that he'll remain as understudy.

But as anybody with a basic knowledge of football will tell you that a top keeper will win you many points over a season and a dodgy keeper will cost you even more.

So my guess is that Southgate is learning to play a few mind games as he hasn't categorically endorsed either Jones or Turnbull (who would both be lucky to be 3rd choice at Fulham), or even ruled out the likes of Robinson coming in.

**AV writes: What do people expect him to say?

"So Gareth, if you can't get the keeper in you want are you happy to start the season with Brad?"

"No, he's rubbish. I wouldn't have him in a lucky bag."

Firstly, if for some reason he is needed to play there is his ego shot to pieces. Secondly there is any potential transfer fee demolished. Thirdly any club looking to sell a keeper can see the desperation and hike the price.


Posted by: Werdermouth  | June 23, 2008 11:21 AM

John Powls wrote...

If you want to read a definition of 'desperation' look at the article on the official MFC website today which gives the 20 reasons why people should renew their season tickets.

This follows on a whole week of 'got up' interviews with various players that appeared day by day saying how optimistic they were and imploring folks to join up.

This means that, as I've said before, the take up of the earlier offers was poor and the same is expected for this next deadline.

If it wasn't like that they'd have said how many had already signed up and used that to leverage people buying on the 'don't leave it too late or you may be disappointed' pitch.

The fear must be a sea of red plastic at The Riverside next year.

Many will be keeping their money in their pockets on the 'wait and see' principle and the current economic position won't help.

The antidote will only come with better results and performances on the pitch - especially at The Riverside.

But some excitement is needed now in the transfer market.

Let's just say the reviews on Dig 'Ard are mixed so far but even on the kindest assessment he isn't going to sell many tickets this week.

But even with that - and on Dig 'Ard's own assessment - there seems to be no hurry for the club to seal the deal. Can that make sense from the overall commercial position?

And whilst I'm agreed that 'spectaculars' aren't the way the next purchase - surely a quality, pacy, creative, attacking, right footed/sided midfielder - has to be regarded as a 'good buy'.

And surely the time has come for Gate to drop 'the ruse' about goalies - if that's what it was (see Ian's post above) and get us someone decent there too.

If you added to those three (here comes the White Feather Club) the announcement of Rav as the new assistant manager and attacking coach - you'd have a spurt in the numbers of season ticket applications.

Posted by: John Powls  | June 23, 2008 11:41 AM

Never Happy wrote...

JP - I'm not to sure about Rav after reading John Hendrie's book.

I know quite a few ST holders who are holding fire until new signings are made, after all there won't be any PL matches when you can't pay on the gate at the Riverside next season.

Could Tuncay bee the missing attacking box to box midfielder we have been craving for?

Midfield - Downing, Tuncay, Digard, O'Neill?

I have not seen Digard play so have no opinion, although the thigh injury is a bit worrying.

AV - Good reply ref: Corporal Jones.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | June 23, 2008 12:37 PM

Captain Parmo wrote...

Yo Vic - Boro's next signings !?!?!?!?!

The entire Russian fitness programmers, those lads weren't even blowing in extra time Satda night, they'd defo get in Fleetham Street's cross country team

Mine as ever
is a Parmo

Posted by: Captain Parmo  | June 23, 2008 12:50 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Never Happy, I agree with your Tuncay being the attacking midfielder we are looking for.

His Central partner in a 4 man midfield would have to be solid though to enable him to push on without leaving the back door open. Also this would mean Alliadierre playing up front off Alves which we all have seen work Man U at the Riverside 2-2. The other way is a 1-3-2-4 system- hang on lads I am not Italian!

Alves upfront.
Attacking3 of Downing, Alliadierre,Tuncay [ or johnson sub]
2 solid holding midfielders.
then the Back 4.

Thank God the Italians are out!

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | June 23, 2008 1:09 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

AV, I think we were making the same point in our own way - but do you think that somebody would actually pay money for the Brad 'if for some reason [presumably unkown to man or beast] he is needed to play' Jones?

He's not going to get another Premiership club coming in for him so it's in everyone's interests that he kickstarts his career in the Championship or with a Leeds type club - a club like Boro can't afford to lose any points on the whim of a fight for the jersey contest.

I fully expect a new keeper in with Turnbull as understudy - The only medals Corporal Jones will win with Boro would be postumously after he sent sent over-the-top by Captain Pogi after fumbling one Bolton grenade too many!

**AV writes: I agree, but the chances of getting him off the wage bill would be seriously dented if the manager publicly said he was not up to the job.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | June 23, 2008 1:54 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

Agree about Gate and I am not quibbling over keeping people sweet. I was puzzled on his statement and posed the question how did he say it and in what context.

The normal line has always been 'pleased with the players but always looking to strengthen the squad if we can get better'. It just seemed a case of painting himself into a corner (unless someone else painted him into it by the phrasing of the question), sometimes saying less is a sensible course of action.

A question. If Gate suddenly brings a keeper in what does that do to the players confidence in themselves and/or in Gate being a man of his word?

Even you have said recently you cant believe he isnt looking for a keeper. It wont affect sell on values because the rest of football will already have placed a value on Jones and Turnbull.

Plus they know the value of keepers we are not trying to buy but if he is available we need cover at left back even if he is a goalie. Do you think other teams wont have noticed our number 1 keeper has left?

**AV writes: It will be a case of "As I said I think Brad is great but when a player of the quality of Gianluca becomes available we knew we had to move quickly. Now we have three quality keepers here but if one of them wants to move on to seek regular football we as a club would understand that and wouldn't stand in their way."

Come on, you must have seen this a thousand times.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | June 23, 2008 2:40 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV writes: What do people expect him to say? (on the goalie situation)

Well, what I don't expect him to say (as he has said, definitively, 4 or 5 times so far) is it's between Jones and Turnbull - and adding 'you don't get much without paying a lot, we're not going to pay a lot and the two we've got are as good as you get for nothing'. I paraphrase here but only a little - the sense is totally accurate; check it out.

It's also a bit of a criticism of Jones and Turnbull, in a sort of 'praising with faint damns' way.

I'm sure you know (and have probably written in your notebook many times) all the ways of being positive, yet non-committal. How about:-

'We have a history of bringing young players and academy graduates through and we have two fine prospects in Jones and Turnbull. Like all other positions in the squad, we have no need to buy unless we can see a compelling opportunity that improves us at a price we can afford.'

Never Happy - on the Rav thing, I'd be much happier with someone doing that job - Rav is one and JFH would be another - with the credibility and know how and who was a fully paid up member of the awkward squad - so long as they harness that to the team effort.

I think the sort of professional pride in their craft and intolerance for 2nd best that they showed in their careers - if harnessed to the ability to show others how to improve - is absolutely necessary.

All effective teams need a variety of input and types and, particularly, need people who are a contrast to the leader and the rest of the team.

I may be wrong, but if I look at Coops, Harry, Crosby, Agnew etc with Gate I'm not sure I see that contrast and where the spark is coming from.

Respect from players who know where they stand is better than matiness, though you need a leavening of that - which I'm told is one of Harry's qualities.

And, if we're pointing to incidents of not towing the party line, can I just remind everyone of the day of our FA Semi against The Hammers at Villa Park. (Sorry, I know it's painful)

The Sunday Times that morning carried an in depth interview with Gate who pretty comprehensively stuck the knife into The Ex.

Gate's an intelligent man, so he knew what he was doing and the impact it would have on that particular day. So, maybe he's not as nice (or as loyal) as he's sometimes painted.

He should recognise the value of being able to encompass and harness those with different views who will want to express them in his own set up.

Posted by: John Powls  | June 23, 2008 2:43 PM

Lee wrote...

John Powls
"I'm officially launching the 'Bring In Rav' campaign".

How about Ziege as defensive coach, and whilst your at it Merson for midfield coach?

Posted by: Lee  | June 23, 2008 2:47 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Lee

I think bringing in Rav as a goal celebration coach is a possiblity but as team bonding coach would probably be a stretch for him.

But I think the suggestions of bringing in Merson would be a huge gamble and bringing in Zeige would be a rash decision...

Posted by: Werdermouth  | June 23, 2008 3:11 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Av

Sorry, I dont mean to be pedantic but lets be that anyway.

My comments are based on the fact it was an unwise statement to make as reiterated by John Powls above (fiver in the post JP). He has made himself a hostage to fortune. Early on in this thread I posed the question what did Gate say and how did he say it.

Maybe some journo laid the trap and he walked into it. There were better ways of saying what he did without laying himself open to being dim or devious.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | June 23, 2008 3:13 PM

John Powls wrote...

Lee - I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answer timed at 2.47 p.m.

The loyalty or otherwise of players during their careers is a concept viewed very differently between fans on one hand and on the other, clubs and players on either side of a contract in a hard nosed business.

Doesn't do to get too hung up on it - though we may wish it otherwise and that the game may be better if there were more loyalty and honour (whether amongst 'thieves' or elsewhere) left.

I suspect that Corinthian principles went the same way as the team named for them.

On the specific gentlemen in question, I would have no problem with Ziege coming back as a coach if he could be shown to be as competent a coach as he was a left back and have something to add.

Merse has already illustrated that he isn't a competent coach at a level far below where Boro are so isn't worth even considering.

Posted by: John Powls  | June 23, 2008 3:43 PM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Nice article, AV. Prompted me to reminisce about some of the special times I enjoyed as a kid watching the Boro in the 70s and 80s.

In the late 70s my dad worked as a gateman on the North Stand, and he used to sneak me in for nothing. He never declared his paltry match day income and got stung one year by the inland revenue...so that little avenue of pleasure was closed off.

I remember my last year in senior school, I dragged a mate of mine to a 4th round Boro v Everton match. Someone had closed a set of gates at the Holgate End, and there was a "Hillsbrough-like" moment where those of us at the front were bunched into an ever smaller space.

My mate and I were pushed from side to side by the crowd (we kind of looked like Michael Jackson in his "Smooth criminal" video). I had never experienced anything like it, and my mate was bricking himself.

The gate finally opened and we watched an incredible 2-2 draw. I remember Trevor Steven went to take a corner, and I unleashed the longest torrent of verbal abuse I think I've ever thrown at someone (we had moved down to the corner flag area). Ahhh...great memories.

Of course....these days you can look it up on the wonderful interweb. here's the youtube of that unforgettable game:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GO8w_yB4pK8&feature=related

Hopefully no news is good news on the transfer front. We all know what we need (especially a goalie). Digard sounds ok, but not spectacular...hopefully we can pick up some bargains (please not Alan Smith)...

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | June 24, 2008 1:52 AM

John Powls wrote...

Rumour has it that Fulham are offering a swap - Luke Young for Jimmy Bullard.

They should be turned down flat on that offer - there's no way we should be letting Young go. Even with McMahon we'd still need another right back and we'd be fortunate to pick up one as good a deal as Young has been.

But, if the rumour's true, Fulham have shown their hand that Bullard is available we should talk cash with them - but only if we can be assured that his knee will stand up for another few seasons and that he isn't going to have another bout of homesickness like the one that took him out of Wigan and back to Fulham.

Given the impact he had on their season last year you'd have to wonder why Fulham would want to move him on. Reason enough to look the gift horse firmly in the dentures.

Just to build on my thread about the imminent sea of red plastic and the worries of the club about that - has anyone noticed that all our pre-season friendlies are away from home?

Before I exercise a bit of Boronoia, AV, you may tell me there is a simple reason like the pitch being relaid or work being done on the stadium.

If not, is it not about not wanting the embarrassment - and financial loss - of playing home friendlies in front of tiny numbers of people?

**AV writes: I think it is mainly financial. Given the recent record of alarmingly low gates at friendlies the cost of stewarding makes them almost unviable.

Unless the club have a spectacular name - either in their own team or the opposition team - the demand isn't there nowadays for an over-priced kickabout.

Personally I would like to see a return to 'local' away friendlies with strong first team squads playing at places like Synthonia, Billingham Town and Marske. It is great PR, a big boost for our grassroots community and would be every bit as good a workout as you will get against a disinterested Real Mallorca or whoever.

Posted by: John Powls  | June 24, 2008 8:23 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

We have debated the distribution of TV moneys etc numerous times on this blog.

Two articles in my morning paper cover the topic.

The first concerns UEFA and Champions League money. Our big four earned £102 million between them from TV and sponsorship deals. UEFA are unhappy that this is creating an imbalance in domestic football though whether Platini and his special adviser Gaillard would be concerned if it was PSG, Lyon etc is a moot point.

Fair play to them because like many fans outside the honey pot the top four represents I would like more money cascading down the pyramid.

Many a post is aimed at the way Sky money is distributed and there are calls for change. The one caveat I always make is the European Union wanting to break up our collective bargaining. There is a salutory lesson in the other article talking about Ronaldo and his proposed move to Real.

For 2006/7 (and every year) the premier league generates £600 million per year more than La Liga. In that year Real turnover was £236m compared to ManU at £212. How was this done? Easy really, individual negotiating rights which means nearly all the money goes to the likes of Real. Plus of course merchandising. The same imbalance exists in Italy due to individual rights.

The success in the Champions League plus increased matchday revenue will allow ManU to change the situation when figues are announced for season 2007/8.

The above doesnt mean I think the current situation in the premier league is fine merely the warning that beware of what changes that are introduced. The EU are waiting in the wings to 'improve' things.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | June 24, 2008 9:41 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

The proposed swap deal in The Times of Bullard for Young is regarded as a decent bet.

I can only assume that Boro have been trying to strike a deal on Bullard and Fulham are testing the water on who they could get in return - First it was O'Neil and now Young.

So why would Fulham be prepared to see Bullard leave?

Well he's approaching 30 with a recent recovery from a cruciate knee injury - given the amount of ground a box-to-box midfielder covers that can only add to the risk of not getting a full season out of him.

Also if he arrives on a 3 year contract he'll probably have no resale value.

So I agree with JP that we shouldn't entertain a swap with Young - who was one of our best players last season - plus there's a risk if we do agree and Bullard fails the medical then Young will be unsettled to say the least.

Still, I'd be happy to see Bullard come to Boro as he would give the team some much needed drive in midfield. Maybe we could ask Fulham to throw in their Australian stopper to sweeten the deal...

Posted by: Werdermouth  | June 24, 2008 10:18 AM

Never Happy wrote...

I would not sign Bullard, Tuncay can do the same job and is far better then Bullard.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | June 24, 2008 11:08 AM

Nigel wrote...

I'm sure we could analyse to death the words spoken by Southgate with regard to keepers, transfers etc. but lets face it, it's easy to sit in your lounge or office under no pressure with time to think of the 'perfect' answer to a question.

Who really cares how Southgate answered a question on his goalkeeper plans? As everyone knows he is a bright guy, he will know whether or not he needs a new keeper. What he says needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Ravenelli as attacking coach? Why not Bernie or Veruka? Being a class player does not make you a class coach, I'm sure I don't need to list examples of failed coaches who were class players.

Posted by: Nigel  | June 24, 2008 11:30 AM

stockton red wrote...

John Powls.I have noted your comments on ticket sales. I agree that if there had been a mad rush we would have heard about it. In what way is it realistic to expect that?

If you talk to anybody in any sort of business things are not easy. With petrol prices, the housing market, food prices and reports of 350000 jobs being lost nationally by April do you really expect the sale of football tickets to be booming?

Add to that no movement in the transfer market and gradual disillusion. My guess is as follows:

We started last year with somewhere between 19000 -20000 ST's. Of those about 160000 will renew.The shortfall will be made up for in numbers if not money with the cheap kids tickets.

If we make a couple of good signings then I think that by kick off we may exceed last years figure. Having said that I might be way off the mark up or down. It's all guesswork.

Posted by: stockton red  | June 24, 2008 12:00 PM

Adel wrote...

I would sign Aaron Lennon!! Don't let him go to Newcastle. Go and get him!

We would have a proven right winger in him for once!! And southgate can get the best out of him after a slight drop of form in the second half of last season..

PLEASE SIGN HIM and i will be relaxed all summer

Posted by: Adel  | June 24, 2008 12:00 PM

Jaguar Boy wrote...

I'm in complete agreement about Bullard with everyone here - no go on the swap for Young, would consider a swap for Oneill, but only if his WAG really forces him to leave - I'd rather he stayed as midfield backup.

Bullard's age doesn't fit into the profile that Gareth is used to buying, and the knee is a worry, but he's a strong performer, so we'll have to see.

I don't know much about Digard, except he's a defensive midfielder, which shows that the Boat's going, and that Gareth doesn't have that much faith in either Catts or Shawky.

I've still not seen any names banded about for our creative ball playing midfielder that would excite me, (or anyone else) and that, along with a new keeper is the position I'm most concerned about, as it could make or break our next few seasons.

Time is ticking to the start of the new campaign - 7 weeks to go this coming sat. I know, as I'm getting married the same weekend! (as I'm constantly being reminded by the future Mrs Ball and Chain)

Doesn't look like any names been linked in time to boost season ticket sales either. come on Gareth, get yourself back from that nice holiday in Egypt, and tantalise us with some good new players!


Posted by: Jaguar Boy  | June 24, 2008 12:10 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

What a bizarre comparison, could Tuncay and Bullard be any less alike?!

I actually think Gareth was being totally honest about the goalkeeping situation and he does intend to go with Jones/Turnbull, though that doesn't mean he couldn't change his mind if someone of quality suddenly became available.

I'll stick to what I've said in the past - I'd be more than happy for Turnbull to start the season in goal.

As for pre-season friendlies - I assumed we would be arranging a home one for the blank weeekend before the season starts at some point as per usual?

Posted by: BoroPhil  | June 24, 2008 12:45 PM

steve h wrote...

I was up in the attic inspecting my old Sports. You're right. They weren't pink! I lived in Leeds for a couple of years in the seventies. Maybe I'm thinking of a local Leeds sports paper.

The best edition I found was from 1976 when we topped the league a couple of times early on. Happy days...

Regarding Southgate and the goalies. Has anyone actually considered that he might have been simply stating the truth? Turnbull has looked a promising young keeper on occasions. If Southgate rates him, then the only way to find out if he can really make it, is to let him play.

Till now Southgate has always signed young players with prospects. Expect the same this summer. Probably from abroad, possibly from one of the relegated teams.

Posted by: steve h  | June 24, 2008 7:25 PM

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