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Go Figure: Transfer Sums Don't Quite Add Up

Posted by on May 26, 2008 9:33 PM | 

SOME interesting theoretical mathematics in The Times as their number-crunchers get in some early guesstimates of how much Premiership cash will be splashed in the summer sales - although if their assessment of Boro's spending parameters is anything to go by it needs taking with a pinch of salt so large the health fascists will be coming swinging through your windows on ropes SAS style throwing stun grenades and taking you into protective custody.

In short, the pin-stickers guide to market muscle and recruitment priorities scribbled out by the suck-it-and-see scribes suggests Boro will be the joint lowest spenders in the summer - alongside equally prudent Blackburn - with even Stoke and Hull ready and willing to throw their money around like a drunken sailor on shore leave as they finance a short-lived but wild Premiership party that is destined to end in tears and some barely credible tattoos that will take some explaining in decades to come.

The figures - as predictable as Eurovision voting patterns - put Boro and Blackburn bottom with a mooted expenditure of £10m plus anything raised in sales. Hull are estimated to be ready to spend £10-15m with Stoke and West Brom pencilled in for £15-20m. The bad news for the new boys is that even those bank-busting figures are woefully short of what is needed to compete.

Naturally at the other end of the financial foodchain are the Champions League finalists Chelsea and Manchester United whose squad strengthening is only limited by imagination and the determination of lesser clubs not to be robbed of their own few prize assets. Arsenal are reckoned to have £30m in the kitty with Liverpool believed to be reliant on sales - although Crouch and Alonso could raise £20m plus before the minor figures are thrown in.

In the vanguard of the more money than sense brigade come Sunderland, Portsmouth, Villa and Manchester City. The Mackems are widely reported as being ready to up the ante and after spending £40m in the summer to build a lower mid-table side they may spend more this time for the big push towards 11th while Pompey may indulge Harry to the tune of £35m to consolidate a top half place, Villa will gamble £30m plus to make the great leap forward to fifth and City are ready to let their new boss waste as much as Sven did again. The table:

Chelsea - James Bond supervillain global domination budget
Man Utd - bloated Stateside billionaire folly funding
Sunderland - £50m
Man City - £40m
Villa - £30-40m
Portsmouth - £35m
Liverpool - £30m
Arsenal - £30m
Everton - £25m
Spurs - £25m
Newcastle - £20m
Wigan -£20m
Bolton - £20m
Fulham -£20m
Stoke - £15-20m
West Brom -£15-20m
Hull - £10-15m
West Ham - £12m
Blackburn -10m
BORO - £10m

But wait a minute. How accurate are the estimates? Man City's funding could unravel if Thaksin's legal problems deepen in Thailand. Liverpool could be hamstrung if the boardroom squabbles lead to one faction vetoing the other's transfer targets. Newcastle's outlay may depend on the outcome of the political in-fighting that seems endemic at the club. Spurs owner Joe Lewis and his venture capital firm is believed to be one of the biggest losers in the current banking paralysis and may need to reign in spending. It is an uncertain world.

The figures don't factor in the unknown effects of either the vast increase in TV income that has now kicked in or the the global credit crunch and the willingness of banks to let clubs to spend well beyond their means to live the dream. Although there is more money than before in the top flight and the pressure to make hay while the sun shines and spend to survive is greater than ever, the external pressures to reduce exposure to creditors, rationalise the cost base and secure rather than speculate are also more compelling.

And even if Boro's net spend IS £10m that is broadly in keeping with other years and with what we can afford. Before people start screaming "where's the money gone?" and demanding the "full" £60m of new TV money is poured into agents' pockets consider this: even under the old stingy regime last year when Boro "only" got £30m from Sky they made a £17m loss. That follows recent other annual losses of £13m, £20, £15m... the deficit pretty correlates with the previous year's transfer spend.

When the wage bill is £30m and you factor in all the running costs - the academy, the scouting network, upkeep of the stadium, Hurworth, travel and accomodation for three teams, PR, legal and financial operations, matchday media scran - there is not a lot left out of that windfall to be squandering £8m on a benchwarmer as some teams will.

Plus, in the past Boro had the £8-10m income from season tickets to play with. In recent years that has shrunk as prices have been frozen and numbers fallen. This year that will shrink further still as a major demographic trend kicks in as number stay broadly the same around the 20-21,000 mark but there is a marked drift from from the full priced fat and forties to the pocket money price paying Under-16s. That will also eat into available funds.

And while some clubs will gamble and spend the windfall money on transfers and wages they can't sustain Boro shouldn't. They should resist the temptations to join the flurry of cash being thrown at average players while long term debt is loaded on the club. We don't know that the crazy circus will continue beyond the three years of the new TV deal so shouldbe wary of signing a clutch of new Mendietas, unsellable money drains in the reserves. We should press on with a sensible model of prudent housekeeping and relatively low cost base.

That said, the bluffer's guide to Boro's transfer intentions is broadly accurate. It says:

"Budget: At least £10 million on top of what comes into the coffers through sales. A decrease in the wage bill provides scope for free transfers.

"Areas of need: Midfield. Fabio Rochemback and Gaizka Mendieta have already left Teesside, Gary O’Neil is unsettled and George Boateng is not certain to fulfil the final year of his contract. The club have no plans to replace Mark Schwarzer, the goalkeeper, who has already defected to Fulham.

"Targets: Southgate is a confirmed admirer of Chelsea’s Steve Sidwell, while James Milner (pictured), of Newcastle United, will be a target if O’Neil moves south. As always during transfer windows, retaining the services of Stewart Downing, the England winger, is among the priorities.

"Surplus to requirements Middlesbrough have already been active in this regard, with Rochemback, Mendieta, Schwarzer and Dong Gook Lee all bidding their farewells. Few others will leave, but Southgate must decide whether loan periods will benefit his club’s good youngsters."

Listening to the buzz - the blog, the boards, the Legends, the bloke on the South Bank ominbus - most would disagree about the keeping situation and believe investment IS needed, while arguably proven cover is needed at both full-back positions: Taylor has failed to really push on this season (although to be fair he has been carrying a series of injuries) and Grounds remains at the potential stage on the left while McMahon has barely featured in two years and has an injury record to rival Mido and Huth so it would be a grave mistake to rely soley on him.

Midfield is clearly the most pressing area but Boro need three players - a defensive/holding player to replace Boateng (even if he stays he can not realistically be first choice), the creative player with pace that we have been lacking for years, and a right sided player that combines energy and solidity with a real cutting edge going forward. The bottom line here is that Boro are highly unlikely to get all three for £10m. Even if O'Neil is cashed in it will still be a close call - and there will be very little left for a keeper and two footed left-back.

And the notion that Boro are suddenly flush in the wages department because of the departures seems suspect too. Mendieta was on big money - it was widely reported on his arrival that he was earning in the region of £40k a week, although that may have been a figure at the top end of a sliding scale of variables like him playing, Boro being in Europe, in the top half of the table etc - and Mark Schwarzer was too. Let's take a guess and say generously £25k. But the other departees won't have been massive earners: I might be wrong on this but I'd have thought Rocky was around the £12k mark and Gook probably a very low basic - £5k or less - with a lot of productivity clauses built in. That only means freeing up just over £80k a week at the top end and maybe a lot less, and while admittedly that remains stupid money to us in truth it will only pay for two or three players of the quality we need (and not even one of the kind of quality that some people are setting as an unrealistic target.)

The saving grace is that 'budget' is far from a concrete concept at the Riverside. No Boro manager has ever had a kitty to play with. It has always been a case that if a manager wants a particular player, if they are available and if they can make out a compelling case that recruitment is essential, then Steve Gibson makes the money available. In the January window we were repeatedly told there was no money available and we should prepare ourselves for Paul Dickov on loan but Gibbo bankrolled a club record bid for Afonso Alves, a significant investment whether or no you believe it was a factor in the exit of Jonathan Woodgate.

For me it is the suitability of the players coming in that is important, not their price-tag. Luke Young last summer was a bargain at £2.5m. Not by any means a bling buy, certainly not a "spectacular" but his solidity, energy and consistently excellent unflustered displays at the back and potent addition to Boro's options going forward made him the best and most effective of the new recruits last summer.

Likewise Jeremie Aliadiere, a relative snip but a useful addition that has given another dimension with his speed, control and movement. In contrast the £6m spent on Mido is yet to show any sign of a return and Gary O'Neil at £5m could yet turn out to be an expensive stop-gap in a position that James Morrison was filling perfectly well on the cheap.

It does not matter where Boro come in the spending table. We don't need trophy signings. It only matters that the available money - no matter how much - is spent wisely, that the team is appreciably strengthened and that the current imbalances are rectified.

****

TODDY is in town promoting his new autobiography. It is not a great book, not least because he is a genuinely nice bloke who expressly refuses to dish any real dirt, but he still has a revealing story to tell. After 40 years in the game, two title winning medals, a PFA Player of he Year gong and 37 England caps, not to mention a long dug-out career managing a string of middling provincial sides with various degrees of success he has seen plenty.

In Boro terms he deserves massive respect for being part of the legendary group who engineered a great escape from the brink of liquidation, a determined group who worked without wages to turn the spirit and passion for and within a club that would not die. Alongside Bruce Rioch he helped steer a team of local lads and a couple of bargain bucket Jocks to successive promotions back to the top flight and then later - after Brucie was axed - was in charge for the first ever visit to Wembley.

I had a long chat with him last week and the results was a long article in the Gazette today about his still quite vivid and warm memories of the turbulent few years. His understated assessment of 1986 and the aftermath adds a new perspective to a series of events that still resonate throughout the club and the fanbase today. There are some other bits to come over the next week or so keep an eye out.


Comments (48)

Forever Dormo wrote...

If this really is "The Blog that never sleeps", where are you?

My reading of the article in "The Times" is that they were suggesting Liverpool's Crouch and Alonso were "likely to fetch a combined fee of £30M", with six other named players likely also to be on their way (some of whom will attract a fee increasing the war chest, and including one Scott Carson). I think we could find a place in our squad for Crouch and Alonso, but not on the £10M put forward as our available kitty.

I note it also suggests, elswhere in the article, that Julio Arca is a target of our friends from Sunderland. So maybe we will get some more money in....?

All a work a fiction, of dreams (or mightmares) and with maybe 5% fact, 10% deduction and 85% "stab in the dark" guesswork with no basis at all, other then the need to fill two bank holiday pages. Must be great to be a journalist!

**AV Writes: Oh yes, it's great fun. Although your figures are all wrong there. There is far more deduction.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | May 27, 2008 4:22 AM

gt wrote...

AV

I wanted to wait untill mid July before analizing what might be transpiring in the transfer market but just to say i agree with your assesment of our needs.

Goalkeeper is a worry. Turnbull went out on loan last year and was dropped after 4 games suggesting inconsistancy. I did see however some players from the lower leagues in the play offs that maybe worth looking at: Johnson (left back) of Leeds looks a decent player but you are right get the right blend. Everton do that and I dont think we are miles away from them

Posted by: gt  | May 27, 2008 5:24 AM

Gary wrote...

There are a lot of potential targets to speculate upon and lots of ways to make 2 + 2 add up to anything but 4, but here's my attempt to get somewhere near a single figure.

A recent development that struck me as significant is Poggi being made captain. The timing seemed strange but add to this the recent quotes that we want Riggot to stay and he will be given a fair chance, then that means Riggott, Wheater, Huth & Poggi all challenging for 2 positions.

We won't sell Wheater & who would buy Huth without a money back guarantee on fitness? In my mind this gives us the chance to try Poggi in the midfield.

His leadership, tackling and aerial power could be the thing we need in the centre. Also he could get forward and find his head on the end of some of the crosses from Downing and hopefully Johnson, once again adding something to an attack that is pretty poor in the air.

I think that there's more to this side and the individuals within it than we've seen in the past. The previously made observation by John Powls on Downing moving inside to accommodate Johnson on the left is another example.

Does Southgate have the vision and courage to shuffle the players, try out such systems pre season and use the money for a single spectacular 'bums on seats" signing that will really set the pulse racing? I hope so.

Posted by: Gary  | May 27, 2008 8:46 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

I agree entirely with this assessment of requirements and how filling them should be taken on.

It's not about 'spectaculars' so much as about the right quality in all the right positions.

I would only add my usual rider about the 'right time' - that the sooner we're prepared and do the biz the better.

Another dip into the 31 August fire sale won't do.

Posted by: John Powls  | May 27, 2008 8:48 AM

PRESTA35 wrote...

I see you've left Newcastle off the spending list. Does this mean they are gonna spend nout? Hope so, King Kev won't be pleased and will bugger off again and they will most definitely be relegated.

Or maybe it was just a typo. Oh well we can all dream.

**AV writes: Wake up. I think they have just been cut-and-pasted to another dimension. I shall reinstate them.

Posted by: PRESTA35  | May 27, 2008 8:55 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

It is time to get the gossip going now the season is truly finished.

Not knowing the figures but I guess we will certainly be looking at upper teens. BBC has us looking at the Wolves keeper and Bradley from Heerenveen.

I suspect Boat will and O'Neill may leave (oh the peril of selling Morrison). We certainly need a central midfield player and keeper but didn't need to be Einstein to figure that one out.

Is it time for Cat to step up to the mark? Play him in the Makelele role just in front of the back four with instructions to be disciplined and ensure the team keeps it shape.

We can play Aliadiere wide right, Johnno can play there, Downing can move inside, Arca will benefit from Tappy having left though the jury is out on Tippy. We also have Shawky plus the kids

Up front we have options but it depends on Mido being fit. The sphinx plus Alves, Tuncay, Aliadiere and Craddock and any other kid coming through will be an improvement for playing a season and score more goals.

At the back we are ok in the centre as long as Huth is fit, the return of Riggott is a boost. We can cope at full back with what we have but could always do with more.

Minimum is
Keeper
Central midfielder
Right sided midfielder

Those we buy need to be quality players that improve the team - we dont need squad players because we have those. If we can strengthen elsewhere on the pitch that will be great but we don't want another Euelluseless or Dong Goal Less.

Finally, there are rumblings of the 39th match being reinstated. Did we ever think it would go away?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 27, 2008 9:50 AM

Holgate Ender wrote...

Boro's biggest battle this summer will be against the idiots who will lead the clamour to spend ALL the £60m TV money.

You watch, people will be demanding we spend £1m than Portsmouth and Villa and Everton for every average foreign midfielder that arrives at Heathrow... and they won't even have heard of them.

We need proven Premiership players in the right positions. We need a Robbie Mustoe and a Paul Ince. I'd play Ali at right wing so I don't think that position is so urgent. You are right about cover at full-backs.

I'd spend all the money on the two midfields, get a keeper on the cheap (Sorenson/Jaaskalinien on a free?) and a good utility full-back from the lower leagues if Hines etc not up to it.

Good bit on Toddy BTW.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | May 27, 2008 10:48 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Fair enough GS bigging the Boro up. Excert from todays paper reads:

“I think what we have to say at this point in time is that we know we cannot compete with Manchester United,� Southgate admitted.

“But what we might say is ‘can we breach that gap?’ And I refuse to accept that we can’t.

“It’s not necessarily a case of spending a lot of money, it’s about getting the right people in and having the right mentality.

“That has to be our aim as a club and I refuse to write off the possibility.�

He is right in what he says, however saying the above and also stating that Jones could be our keeper next season GS is contradicting himself.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 27, 2008 11:44 AM

M. Sebastian T wrote...

The problem for Boro is that they cannot fill seats. It is easy to blame demographics etc but truth is that people do not go because it is a case of paying good money to be bored silly (the freak Man City game apart that is).

It is not all about tv money. No fans means nothing to spend.
Sunderland have plenty of fans and therefore money. Undoubtedly Keano will spend big and they will do well next season and undoubtedly finish above Boro and Newcastle.

These are certainly odd times when the pride of Yorkshire football are Hull and Boro.

Posted by: M. Sebastian T  | May 27, 2008 11:51 AM

tim from sa wrote...

Dont think Downing would be happy to move inside on a regular basis as his current position is whats getting him noticed although I have no doubt he would help out if needed thats the type of lad he is.

A keeper is a must now Skippy has gone but for me all the money must go to the midfield and we gamble with what we have at the back and up front otherwise another nailbiting season at the wrong end of the table.

Posted by: tim from sa  | May 27, 2008 12:01 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

I wrote a much larger piece, but an unexpected power cut put paid to that.

In summary:

Poga: I think he'll be our left back next season. Why make him skip if he's not guaranteed a place, and surely Huth/Wheater will be no.1, with Riggott competing. This negates any need to buy additional defenders.

GK: would like to see Turnbull given a chance. I can't believe Gareth is deliberately misleading everyone with his comments - so I fear we may see Brad in goal for the first game.

RM: If O'Neil stays, great, no need to strengthen here, especially with Johnson/Ali.

Up front: Good, as long as Mido is prepared to battle for a place.

Conclusion: 100% of our budget should be used to find that goalscoring, dynamic central midfielder.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | May 27, 2008 12:12 PM

Bororob wrote...

AV

Any news / rumours about the number of season ticket renewals?

There's a lot of sense being spoken about the transfer situation and where we need to strengthen, the only position I'm really concerned about given GS and the dark prince's comments is in goal.

I really don't rate Jones, and although Turnbull at least looks like a goalkeeper I'm not sure we can afford to rely on such an inexperienced goalie.

I accept that there may not be enough money to splash on Robbo or Carson, but if we are to rely on Turnbull as number 1 in the long term I think we need an experienced keeper who can do a job for the next season or two (although I'm not keen on Sorensen given the number of goals we've scored against him in the past!)

Posted by: Bororob  | May 27, 2008 1:11 PM

stockton red wrote...

M. Sebastian T.

Presumably M stands for Mackem.What a load of idiotic tripe.I suggest you get youself to the local bookie and back your team to be N.E. top dog.

You will find that the bookies who are not noted for charity make the mighty mackems the outsider of three.

Obviously your team averaged about 15000 more than Boro. Do the maths idiot. At an average £400 per ticket gives you roughly a £6million start on us.

Take off the £1.5 mill we got for finishing 2 places above you and the difference is £4.5 mill. Considering the amount Keane wasted on utter rubbish such as Halford and McShane you are no better off.

Posted by: stockton red  | May 27, 2008 1:36 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

I agree even more - if that is possible - with the version of this that is on the Gazette website.

Now, if you'd just taken Huddlestone off the list of 'potentials' you have been a perfect 10!

Posted by: John Powls  | May 27, 2008 2:04 PM

croydonBoro wrote...

Re Toddy interview

He goes over the squad that achieved back to back promotions and I found myself wondering...

How on earth did we relegated to the third with that team?
I know why, I was there, we were rubbish. Lead by a well-intentioned but poor manager. We had been (increasingly poor) for five years.

Mind you, the team were so callow they possibly benefitted from dropping down a division.. and then it all came so wonderfully right..

Sorry, just beginning to wander down memory lane there..

**AV writes: Plus, even if there were some good young players there, the stench of death hanging over the entire club must have been very demotivating. Enter Bruce and Gibbo...

Posted by: croydonBoro  | May 27, 2008 2:59 PM

john sully wrote...

That Ghanian player Annan?? is that his name?? might fit the bill. What about Didier Zakora?? Albelda from Valencia, Eco, Senna, Riquilme............. see where i am going with this??

**AV writes: Yes, down a blind alley. We need a proven Premiership player who can slot straight into the shape and the pace without a three-six months bedding in period.

Posted by: john sully  | May 27, 2008 3:12 PM

Jarkko wrote...

Everybody is crying for a couple of new midfielders.

How about Joshua Walker? What is his best position? Did anyone see him play against Bayern Munich at Aberdeen?

Otherwhise agree that a box to box central midfielder must be bought.

Posted by: Jarkko  | May 27, 2008 3:25 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Just been looking through the 46 players that Boro have been linked with already for the new season.

You get an idea of the bull that is printed when you read that the Daily Star link Boro with Brian Howard of Barnsley for a £10 million fee.

I think that even if we do not sell any midfielders Sidwell and Milner would be good signings for the Boro.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 27, 2008 4:02 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

'Why we dont need another Juninho'? BALLS !

Why we really need another Juninho, more like.

We have plenty of tackling holding midfielders , the most skillful and attacking of our central midfield has just gone to Sporting Lisbon and that leaves us with Downing who will be marked out of games next season as his threat is now well known.

Why not say to Boat, Cat and Shawky - right you lads stay and fight for the holding midfield Makele role as we will be playing Tuncay next to you in a slightly more advanced attacking midfield/ in the hole behind the front 2 style.

Then go and buy another quality striker as I can't see us getting hatfulls of goals if Alves gets injured and Mido never regains his form from 3 seasons ago!

Arca back to Sunderland and Aliadiere or Johnson on the right. Team looks like this;

Alves, New fella here,

Tuncay in the hole linking up

Downing, Shawky holding role, Aliadiere

Pogg, Wheater, Riggot, Young

My Nan in goal

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | May 27, 2008 4:15 PM

PAUL BELL wrote...

If The figure of 10m to spend on transfers is correct,Boro will be relegated for sure. They need a decent goalie, now that MS has gone and Turnbull is not the answer.

Do MFC deserve premiership football? The attendances are pathetic, and will probably be worse for the forthcomimg season. Teesside is a large conurbation,and should get much bigger crowds.

Posted by: PAUL BELL  | May 27, 2008 6:14 PM

Nick Hill wrote...

Rocky I believe was on wages of 25k-40k. He was a top earner from any report I have read so getting him of the wage bill will be just as beneficial as Mendi or Schwarzer.

Perhaps the reason for letting rocky go was to free up the wages whilst keeping the lower earners like cattermole.

We will look to spend little money and look for the astute bargain buys but I think like the Alves deal back in january, if the right player comes along then Gibbo will invest into him.

And Downing should not be moved into the centre, his assists and crosses on the wing would be a big loss. Hes our best winger who is very productive out there, why would anyone want to move him inside?

As for Johnson, I like him and is a useful player but he needs to get the ball in the box more when he has the chance instead of trying to attempt tricks which in this league doesnt work as often as it might have for Watford on loan.

Posted by: Nick Hill  | May 27, 2008 9:42 PM

Ste Mac wrote...

It is not how much you have to spend it is how you spend it. The mackems spent £40m last summer and apart from the big lad Jones up front I wouldn't have one of them in a luckybag.

If we can get two good midfielders and a keeper we will be a good side (providing we keep them all fit.)

Overall I think Southgate has spent well so far. Young, Alves, Tuncay, Aliadiere all good buys, O'Neil has been decent at times and certainly not a disaster and Mido could be Ok at a certain job if only he was fit. The jury is still out.

Euell and Gook have been poor but they never really played and cost next to nowt so not the end of the world.

Huth has been poor VFM but I'm not sure he was a Southgate buy, more one he inherited.

If he can get two/three more of the good ones this summer I'll be happy.

Posted by: Ste Mac  | May 27, 2008 10:47 PM

smoggy plum wrote...

I dont care how much money we have to spend on players as long as what money we do have is spent on players who will come and give 100% for the team, the fans, and the shirt they will be wearing.

I for one don't want another season like the last.. or ever have to witness another Cardiff capitulation.. if Arca, Boat, and O'Neil leave then so be it.

Let's go replace them with the three midfields who are being touted as prospective boro players for next season. ie Milner who can play right wing, and score goals.. Huddlestone who is big strong will break up opposition attacks and can head a ball and weigh in with 5 to 10 goals from midfield.. and Sidwell the influential play maker who can also score goals

A British they will fit straight into the team and all will be available and wont cost silly money either...

**AV writes: I'm not sure about the "won't cost silly money" bit.

Posted by: smoggy plum  | May 28, 2008 1:26 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Ste Mac

Euell and Lee appear to have been brought in as punts to show activity - never mind the quality feel the width. Wouldnt dream of criticising their commitment and effort but they were unlikely to improve the squad and we should steer away from such purchases.

I agree with you about Huth being a legacy purchase. To be honest we were courting Gate before MacMoses arrived, if Huth turns out anywhere near as good I will be delighted.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 28, 2008 7:55 AM

john sully wrote...

AV

Zakora is well adapted to Premiership football. But i still think we need a bit of flair in the middle also. we do have O'Neil to go in to the middle while Deco gets used to the place!!!!

Posted by: john sully  | May 28, 2008 9:21 AM

Paul Bell wrote...

AV,

Is there any chance of stopping imposters?

This is getting beyond a joke as people are using my name just to slag Boro off.

**AV writes: You have complained about this before and something is beyond a joke, you are right. Not only has the other Paul Bell got the same fairly name as you but he is also posting from the same far harder to randomly generate e-mail address. Spooky! I think you should raise the issue with other members of your household...

Posted by: Paul Bell  | May 28, 2008 10:21 AM

M. Sebastian T. wrote...

Poor old Stockton Red did get into a tizzy!

That said Boro are still the most boring team and have been since forever. There are two approaches to take: 1) settling for clog and survive (Boro, Wigan, Bolton) and 2) being positive (most of the rest). Southgate is not the person to correct which group Boro are in.

Do agree that Keano has made a few less than great buys so far but it is small amounts that he has gambled with so far.

Re the betting, my money goes on Sunderland to finish about 8th next time, Newcastle about 10th and Boro about 16th, and Hull we all know where.

Posted by: M. Sebastian T.  | May 28, 2008 11:02 AM

tonyblack wrote...

When will this club ever learn ?

Maccarone - Not strong enough for the Premiership they said.

Donk Gook Lee - Gym'll fix it for Lee they said. Another one not strong enough for the Premiership they said.

I could go on...

So why oh why oh why with the limited budget we have do we insist on taking wild punts on foreigners who aren't proven over here ?

Why can we not just stick to looking at people who already do or already have played over here ?

There must be players that can do a good job for us, improve the squad and that aren't going to be such a high risk for us given how little cash they tell us we have to spend.

Like him or hate him or whatever you thought of him, that aside, Zenden is a case in point. He was at Chelsea and wasn't playing regular football. He got that at the Boro and was voted player of the season.

So let's find some more like that instead of taking yet more risks on people from bloody timbuktu.

FA0:- MR PR MAN - WAKEY, WAKEY, WAKEY.

FAO:- Steve Gibson - SACK THE NEW PR MAN.

Bums on seats? Easy. Apart from playing good, passionate Teesside steely football, fill the ground full of bloody flags, scarfs and banners so that there is a match day atmosphere and people will come.

I know I would.

Why is it so bloody hard to have a home end full of colour like at the san Siro or in Madrid? Are we Boro fans any less passionate ? I don't bloody think so.

Add a few red and white coloured smoke machines pumping out of the roof, pump up the volume of the music and away you go.

IT ISN'T BLOODY HARD MR PR MAN.

But don't wait for the 12th man to do it. The damn club should get off their backsides and sort it ONCE AND FOR ALL.

I've said this time and time and time again. This isn't a lack of money problem it's only ever a lack of desire problem from those at the top of the tree.

This club is so utterly inept at these sorts of things that it really does beggar belief. Where is the match day excitment? What do these people actually get paid to do and why are they so utterly bad at what they do ?

Just out of interest AV, how old is the new PR guru ?

I bet he's 50 odd, drives a Vectra and wears a suit and tie.

TB

**AV writes: You know how it is in marketing, it is all young bucks in designer labels, shades and sushi restaurants. Neil Bausor is a snow boarding, mountain biking go-getter.

To be fair to the club they are trying to reverse what is a pernicious nationwide drift away from the ground to the pub, to lift the cultural veil of cynicism that Teesside has worn proudly for generations and are working in an environment shaped by Sky's reality-defying insistence that every game should be a sizzler.

The "big idea" to help boost the atmosphere for next season and beyond is the cheap tickets for kids that could bring in a fresh blood and get them buzzing.

Posted by: tonyblack  | May 28, 2008 11:44 AM

Never Happy wrote...

M. Sebastian T - I am not particularly interested in Sunderland, however Roy Keane has made a total of twenty-three new signings and spent £35 million.

So your comment of

'Do agree that Keano has made a few less than great buys so far but it is small amounts that he has gambled with so far.'

seems wide of the mark.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 28, 2008 12:24 PM

Never Happy wrote...

TB - I agree with most of what yo say, apart from the pumping up the volume comment.

Nothing worse than crap music being played just because we have scored a goal.

I much prefer the days of EIO EIO EIO
after the ball has hit the oppositions net.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 28, 2008 12:30 PM

stevo wrote...

Josh Walker has looked good for Aberdeen, even in the games against bayern munchen. But he is still 1 season away from being ready to step into the PL on a full time basis I would say.

I think Cattermole has been brought through too quickly but still could make the grade as a midfield spoiler. But neither should be in our first 11 next season - so aye we need to strengthen the midfeild with new players and not rely on the kids just yet.

Posted by: stevo  | May 28, 2008 1:02 PM

An optimistic Chris Gibson wrote...

Some good comments on here regarding the much vaunted need for midfield quality.

Does anybody know where Goulon is? I believe I am correct in saying he has been here for two years. I realise he has had injuries but 2 years should give us some idea if he is ready or not.

I like the sound of a viera like midfielder next to O'Neil in the middle (if he stays) or maybe Sidwell. Aliadere on the right is an option but maybe as backup not a permanent arrangement.

I like the idea of Downing and Johnson in the same team but they are both left wingers, a rarity in todays game. To try and alter that in my opinion, is not an option.

Tuncay, Alves, Mido and Aliadiere give us enough options up front. If we can get Mido fit and in the right frame of mind, he has potential.

That leaves a back four with plenty of strength in the middle leaving the need for cover at full back and perhaps a keeper.

White band, stadium full of noisy kids................good cup run, top ten finish.

Progress!

Posted by: An optimistic Chris Gibson  | May 28, 2008 1:37 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

I've spoken to Aberdeen fans (well, one fan), and by the sounds of it Josh Walker started brightly but then faded a bit, which I suppose could be expected as he is hardly used to first team football. Another loan season might be on the cards for him I'd imagine.

Richard Smallwood is very highly rated and may be closer to the first team squad this season. I also heard a while back that Nathan Porritt may well be signing after all - so we could have some decent, young, fringe players for next season.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | May 28, 2008 2:18 PM

Serious Minded Bloke wrote...

MST; This is a Boro MB. Its not for the likes of you. We are not interested in deckchair related issues. Jog on now son, theres a good lad. That'll be all.

SMB

Posted by: Serious Minded Bloke  | May 28, 2008 3:11 PM

Mainy wrote...

I cant see spending 10 mill being that much of a problem.

Keeper - in no way shape or form should Jones be our keeper, no offence but a keeper who can throw a ball further than he can kick it is a worry.

Turnbull is about a year away so simple option is a stop gap with plenty of Prem experience, havent Fulham just signed a new keeper meaning the more than useful Anti Neimi might be available on the cheap? failing that Hanamann from reading would cost about 2mill.

Right back - Young will be 1st choice so whoever comes in must no they are 2nd choice so how about Murty 500k) again from Reading. He is from Boro, he is 33 but could do a job as cover while Hines/McMahon progress (that is unless Boateng fancies being the cover).

Left Back - Not an issue, Pogi will start there, Taylor as back up but dont forget Arca (who could find himself out of the side) can play there.

Centre Back - we will start with Riggott & Wheater, Huth as back up along with Hines.

Right wing - if O'Neil goes then Aliadiere fighting with with Johnson fot it. Kyle Lafferty from Burnley could be worth a shout at about £1.5mill.

Centre Mid - Shawky should be given a chance in that holding role. If O'Neil stays id like to see him play through the middle where I feel he woud be more effective. I'd like to see Sidwell come in but we are daft if we pay anything over £3m for a Chelsea squad player who they got on a free last year.

Left wing - Downing every time with Johnson pushing him along with maybe Josh Walker and Nathan Porritt (if he is still here nxt year) being bought along.

Forwards - Alves and Tuncay, Mido on bench and Aliadiere maybe on the right but I think we need someone else. Again I'm shopping in Reading and strange as it sounds i think someone like Dave Kitson (prob £3ml) could be a perfect foil for either Alves or Tuncay.

He'll stick his head in, pop up with the odd goal but more importantly he will take the beatings, unsettle the defenders and create the spaces for Alves/Tuncay to get into.

So thats approx £10m spent on team. You could also pick up a few freebies, Stelios is available, he is getting on a bit but he will still get a few goals from the right.

Posted by: Mainy  | May 28, 2008 4:43 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

The time is 15th June 2015, the place the Macdonalds FA headquarters, the reason - a press conference by the new England Manager Gareth Southgate.

Henry Winter opens the questioning: 'Well Gareth, what changes do you envisage in the set up?'

Gareth: 'As you know I am not one to criticise other people but I will change the selection process. Whilst Graham Norton and Lord Lloyd Webber made great viewing with 'any team will do', ably backed I may add by Davids Pleat and Platt, I think we should look at choosing the team from a football point of view'

Steve Curry: 'What do you think of the chances of qualifying for the next world cup?'

Gareth: 'The draw for the pre qualifying pits us against the Faroes, Andorra, Latvia and Luxemburg. All tough matches but get through those and as one of the fifth seeds in the European section we stand a chance of a decent draw. Then anything could happen.'

Paul Hayward: 'Is there a way back for Gerrard after being out of football for so long?'

Gareth: 'Stevie G took time out for a career break but skills are transferable. He did very well to get a gold and two silvers in the diving at the last Olympics, there is no reason for the skills he honed in his two years out couldnt be transferred back into football'

The press conference ends for TV to go the latest episode of 'An audience with the Beckhams'

Anthony Vickers: 'Will we see a return to trying to get Lampard and Gerrard in the same England team?'

Gareth: 'I think Joey Barton had the right idea that, if you give them a ball each it can work. Brian (Barwick) is due to meet Septic Bladder to discuss the 59th match and will bring the two ball proposal up then.'

And finally how come the Boro cant score and get three on goal of the season?

PS Shows what drivel England have been tonight!!!

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 28, 2008 9:08 PM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

Just in case everybody else has missed it (unlikely, I imagine!) - & nowt whatsoever to do with transfer gossip - Luke Young's screamer at the Riverside against Spurs & Tuncay's sublime strike at Derby are in the running for the Beeb's "goal of the season"! :)

Unfortunately, so is N'Zogbia's for the Barcodes against us! :(

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | May 28, 2008 9:41 PM

Malc wrote...

Vic has it spot on. Lets buy young, proven and British.

I'd take Robinson for 5m or Sorensen if we're broke on a free though he's six yrs or so older.

In midfield I'd pay 5m for Sidwell as the fact he went on a free means nothing and is totally besides the point. Sure it's annoying but we never stood a chance of getting him on a free.

Get those two (Robinson and Sidwell) in SOON. We can then sit back and see what deals become available.

As regards O'Neil, well he needs to grow up... the softy. I'd release Jones and Bates and sell Cattermole to a lower division where he belongs. Mentioning him and Makelele in the same sentence makes us other Boro fans a laughing stock so cut that out...you know who you are.

Posted by: Malc  | May 28, 2008 10:29 PM

Mike wrote...

It wasn't that much of a shock that Schwarzer has left but surely moving to Fulham however is a step backwards for an international keeper.

Robinson would be a good keeper for Boro, in the long term also. He reminds me of Mark Crossley a little bit.

Signing a defender would only be a last minute transfer deadline day thing, no rush for defenders.

A defensive midfielder would do nicely, to stiffen up competition for places. Just seen Bradley play for the USA, made a few good passes but looks inconsistent, something Boro do not want. I like the look of Huddlestone, strong player and can hit a good pass.

Now for the much disputed attacking midfielder. Steve Sidwell seems to be us Boro fans favourite to sign. He would give the fans confidence going into pre-season. If Sidwell goes to Villa then I will be intrigued into who we will get.

I know Southgate doesn't want 'big name' signings but sometimes a big name signing can help the side in so many ways. Youngsters especially benefit from it and the fans love 'em!

A player I think would be a good signing is a player that nobody has mentioned about moving clubs, which comes as a suprise to me as I seem to remember the bigger clubs keeping a close eye on him a few years ago.

The player I'm talking about it Pablo Aimar. His team Real Zaragoza were relegated from the Spanish La Liga and although he didn't score last season, he seems to have a good talent on the ball. Seen as though his team were relegated I presume he wouldn't cost over £8 million...

Posted by: Mike  | May 28, 2008 10:35 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

I was only dipping in and out of the england 'match' so can't really comment, but the only thing I saw Bradley do was going flying in on a wild tackle near the touchline early on. Apparently he is the coach's son as well!

London-based Boro fan:

Also in the top ten was Rocky's last day free kick and Tevez's goal against us at OT - so we were featured in half the goals!

Rocky's free kick really was tremendous - would have recieved a lot more media attention had Ronaldo scored it.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | May 28, 2008 11:28 PM

Jarkko wrote...

The band is back. See a picture of Tuncay wearing a Turkish shirt with a white band:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2008/turkey/7418371.stm

I think the Turks are playing in all red in Euro 2008 though. But a nice pic anyway.

Posted by: Jarkko  | May 29, 2008 5:28 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Malc

I know who I am, checked in the mirror this morning.

Didnt say he was a Makalele or in his class, just posed a queation about a role he may be able to fill. If he is going to move forwards that is what he will have to do.

Like yourself I have doubts at the moment. A season long loan may be the answer so he can get a run of matches rather than bits and pieces roles. It would also get him out of his current environment which would help him develop.

Or we could raise some money. My only concern there is that if he is good enoiugh for the U21's and play well, there is potential. The question remains can he and the club develop it?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 29, 2008 7:26 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Man U are in for three efforts for goal of the season but so what so are we!

We actually appear in the goal of the season a bit too much though as a lot of the goals for other clubs are against us!
In an ideal world all the goals of the month would be scored by us against us.

Maybe not- but it felt good last night ,screaming as the boro goals went in. [ I was in a pub in the South with some mates , nobody had seen a Boro fan before. I did us proud]

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | May 29, 2008 9:07 AM

Never Happy wrote...

AV - Have you heard anything on the rumour that Boro will make an offer for Bradley this week?

I did not watch the England game last night (its bad enough watching them in competetive games, never mind meaningless friendlies) so can not comment on how he played.

I don't think he should be judged on how he performed last night anyway, as there is a big difference in week to week league games and pointless matches that are arranged so that the FA can rake in money.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 29, 2008 11:16 AM

M. Sebastian T. wrote...

Did you see what the Deloitte football finance expert Alex Byers has said "Middlesbrough were £85million in debt at the end of the 2006/07 season, and said to be dangerously close to over-extending with regards to wages."

He also said "The future is looking very bright for Sunderland" and that the fan base and facilities available give Sunderland "a very good chance of retaining their Premier League status and building on their league position last season".

Basically as I said at first, the difference with Boro versus local rivals is lack of fans. And now of course people from Yorkshire can also easily go watch a match in Hull.

Posted by: M. Sebastian T.  | May 29, 2008 11:39 AM

Never Happy wrote...

MST -

Cut out the bits you like and post them to someone who gives a toss.

No response to my 23 players and £35 million spent by Keane? How many of those players are now in your 16 man match day squad?

C'Mon Boro

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 29, 2008 12:01 PM

Serious Minded Bloke wrote...

MST: "The bin dippers may keep their Prem League place". Theres a revelation; then again they may not! (Settles back, looks at league table, smiles at confirmation of superiority over deck chairs, looks at Ceefax to see how Yorks CCC are doing and realises all is well with the world!)

S M B

Posted by: Serious Minded Bloke  | May 29, 2008 2:20 PM

geoff wrote...

I agree with malc about Jones,Bates and Catt's, I feel sorry for Bates as he was really coming good till the injury's.

I think as most the main players we need are goalie and midfielder's the attacking type.

I see our friends from up the road are still enjoying our blogs better than there own, if they have one that is.

AV I'll make the tea for the free gazette if that sounds good.

Posted by: geoff  | June 11, 2008 9:19 PM

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