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Boro Bandwagon Starts To Roll

Posted by on April 14, 2008 2:56 PM | 

GUSHING praise from the pundits for Gareth Southgate’s Boro is a bit disconcerting. We are more used to barbs, sneering and ill-informed smears from an all-to-often jaundiced media machine that leaves us prickling with righteous indignation and keeps our jealously guarded fuel of paranoia bubbling nicely. But can we deal with praise?

The rare positive pronouncements we have been handed begrudgingly over the years have tended to be a double edged sword. Boro are prone to shrivel in the spotlight of media expectations and hype and are a far more potent prospect when operating as the snotty nosed provincial upstarts than as the media darlings tipped for success. On balance, we are probably better off being ignored.

Yet it seems we must get used to being bigged up as a Boro bandwagon starts to roll and the talking heads and national hacks scramble aboard. It had been inching forward slowly but at the weekend Sky Sports summariser Alan McInally - keeping a close eye on the Spurs game - gave it a hefty shove with a jaw dropping assertion that Boro are “the best team outside the top four.”

That may not sit too comfortably with the league table, the paltry goals for tally or the memories of long spells of disjointed tedium this term, especially for those supporters still smarting over the FA Cup surrender to Cardiff.

In fact, Boro are actually far closer to the bottom four than the top - uncomfortably so - and if they were to lose to basement battlers Bolton on Saturday then it will be “squeaky bum” time for a team that no matter how much sympathetic press they get are still not yet safe from the drop.
Nevertheless, the professional opinion formers are waxing lyrical about Boro edging towards being the real thing.

After the second half show at Spurs, in which they had enough good chances to win (stop me if you have heard this one before), McInally was practically singing along to Pigbag as he pointing his foam finger at a bright future.

“It's important the way they are playing now because we are getting to the stage where Southgate starts to strengthen for next year,” he said. “And of all the teams outside of the top four going for the title, Middlesbrough of those in that area, are by far the best. By far the best.” He repeated that bit for emphasis as gob-smacked viewers in pubs across the country sprayed their beer all over.

A month ago Spurs were reckoned to be the best bet to break the evil cash-crazed quadropoly that are strangling the Premiership. Under Ramos they were faster, fitter and more organised so the Carling Cup was just the start. Now however they can’t stop shipping goals and the baton has been passed to Boro. After a second half tactical switch saw Boro take control the Times, not normally a natural ally of Teesside, was generous in its praise of Southgate’s slow rise to assume the challenger’s mantel.

“He has taken it slowly, not trying anything revolutionary and his caution is paying off,” wrote Alyson Rudd. “Middlesbrough look capable of sustaining an assault on the top six next season. By contrast Ramos needs all the time his cup glory bought him.”

It would be easy to dismiss the plaudits as a one off, except it is fast becoming the norm.The love-in started back in December after a high-tempo 2-1 Riverside rout of Arsenal raised eyebrows. Boro inflicted the first defeat of the season on the Gunners after out-thinking and out-playing them and Arsene Wenger put aside his big book of excuses and admitted Southgate and his fledgling side were a rising power.

“I am convinced that they will find a way out of trouble and will push on to become a dangerous side next year, perhaps in the top eight of the league,” said Wenger. “Gareth Southgate has been mentioned as a future England manager and I think it is possible.”

Since then Boro’s star has been rising even though results have not improved dramatically and the flashes of fluid play that have led to such optimism have yet to sustained for the full 90 minutes. Then after a sparkling second half in the 2-2 draw last week against Manchester United the spin machine went into overdrive.

The Match of the Day 2 team of Lee Dixon and Gavin Peacock could barely contain their excitement at Boro’s display and were scattering superlatives like love struck teenagers. “Ahhh, Boro are great, Alves is brilliant, Gareth is lush.” The pair competed to heap praise on an admittedly inspirational team display.

And the performance, the steel Southgate shown in standing up to fuming Fergie in a technical area toe-to-toe and his dignified progress through a baptism of fire to become an intelligent manager who sticks to his guns also attracted the support of Henry Winter, the Telegraph’s respected libero.

“Far tougher than perceived, Southgate... refused to kowtow to Sir Alex Ferguson, who usually expects subservience from managerial apprentices, " he wrote of the gaffer. “His image has traditionally been of the boy next door, the polite milk monitor with the nice grey jumper and stripey tie, yet all his own managers have seen a leader in him. Clearly intelligent, he is increasingly prepared to speak his mind. The more his nascent career is inspected, the more evidence of the determination and independent streak in his DNA.”

(Incidently, on the question of Southgate being "too nice" to manage effectively because he can't administer a well timed bollocking, Stewie Downing said some interesting things in today's Gazette on just that subject. He made it clear that the gaffer dished out a dressing-room tongue lashing that was as much a part of turning the game round at Spurs as the substitutions were.)

As if all that praise wasn’t enough, Thierry Henry weighed in. Asked how Barcelona could beat Manchester United in the Champions League he said: “By playing more like Boro than Arsenal.”

It may be too early to get carried away, especially if it is not backed by points. For the media the lack of a return from the admittedly rousing displays against the Champions League is not an issue. That Boro have taken the steam out of first Arsenal and then Manchester United and contributed to the swings of fortune of the contenders has helped shape the story and keep the title race alive has been crucial to the commercial enterprise.

That said, this is not the grudging respect that may have been paid to a battling Bolton or spirited Pompey that may snatch a point and cause an upset but also leave the press box purists bristling at the functional route one stylings of a self-consciously limited team. There is in the praise of Boro an acknowledgment that the team is playing with a certain panache, that it is trying to do things the 'right' way with passing at ground level and a fluidity of movement and that the team are technically proficient.

Yes, there is an attempt to tie that to an individual, to make the team reflection of the manager and his cerebral rather than a brutal approach and in some ways the club, the infrastructure put in place by Steve Gibson over a decade, the good habits that begin in the academy and the core of home grown heroes are brushed over, but to be fair that is true on Teesside too.

Southgate has a certain credibility with the press if only because he is articulate, thoughtful and answers a good question with a comprehensive, well thought out answer that is consistent with his espoused footballing philosophy and is underpinned with a certain honest and ethical approach that is refreshing in a cynical world. Southgate was always likely to win friends within the press but now he is starting to influence people. And convince them too that this is team he is building could be more than just a flash in the pan.

The current agenda in the media reflect a growing respect within the game for a boss who is learning the ropes and starting to express himself ever more forcefully and also a respect for his team, a well balanced side that has put in spirited, tenacious and tactically shrewd displays against title chasers Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United in recent weeks.

If the same team can show those qualities against Bolton, Sunderland, Manchester City and Portsmouth, win over the doubters and start to justify the hype then maybe we can really start raising our hopes for a brighter future.

Comments (57)

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Not starting the season with 4 fully fit strikers together with playing some great stuff second half of the season but failing to get 3 points too many times has lead us to where we are in the table.

Everyone from Colin Cooper upwards in the club is to blame if they thought an £6m unfit Mido and Dong Gook were gonna bail us out for 20 goals if Tuncay and Alliadiere got suspended or injured or both.

I Remember Harry Redknapp saying in the summer if you stay still in the Prem you are going backwards and wondering why we were not buying Alves then. I may sound spoilt but we had sold the Yak so had the money.

I am fully foam handed in saying we are gonna stay up and that the forward line needs sorting badly in the summer. I would go so far to say that Mido should be a 5th choice striker in order to focus the man from Newboulds attitude on his personal professionalism. Being gobby is not gonna win us the match , being fully fit and determined might.

As for Southgate, well, Ramos is meant to be the man who bosses his team and makes cracking substitutions- as far as I saw it was Gate who made the right subs in the second half and it nearly won us the match.

If Gate can convert a lot of these great but nearly 3 point performances into definite wins then we are away.

I think we need another striker and maybe Zarate too.

As for 'The Golden Gate' - I like him!

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | April 14, 2008 5:37 PM

bradinho wrote...

Boy did reading all that make me feel good inside whilst also making me feel extremely proud of the club, the team and the manager.....but I wonder if the new PR team has anything to do with all this quasi-guff, mind you I may be a bit cynical because the only match I have seen "live" has been the one against Derby.

Answers on a postcard please.

Posted by: bradinho  | April 14, 2008 6:28 PM

Ste Mac wrote...

I was pleased to see the Downing quotes about the Gate giving them both barrels. And to see the boss face up to Fergie. It sounds like the penny has dropped.

We need to see more from him than the clapping and well reasoned excuses after the game. We need to see a bit of fire.

I think we are close to being a decent side (with a new cm, lb and rw) but he needs to inspire the crowd as well as the team first.

Posted by: Ste Mac  | April 15, 2008 12:01 AM

Mac in Bak wrote...

I have been an unwavering fan of Southgates from the beginning. His articulate, honest approach to the fans and media is like a breathe of fresh air in the current climate of TV sound bites.

He has stood his ground against players that did not subscribe to his philosophy and stood up to the bullying attitude of spoilt managers and FA administators.

He has continued the policy of developing youngsters and shown them loyalty when they have performed. I suspect the Redcar Rock (Tony Mowbreys Love Child?) would have been relegated back into the reserves under MaClaren as soon as injuries permitted.

Keep it going Gareth and well done.

Posted by: Mac in Bak  | April 15, 2008 7:43 AM

Never Happy wrote...

I think the Boro 'love in' is more to do with the pundits liking Southgate than the Boro.

Southgate played at the same time as most of these pundits and as such they do not want to bad mouth one of their mates.

Boro have played some quality football lately (apart from the one game that could have led to some silverware).

However GS needs to get the team to play for 90 minutes not 30 or 45. It needs to start on Saturday against a very poor Bolton side.

Start with a high tempo, put them on the back foot and 3 points can be ours.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | April 15, 2008 8:57 AM

mike wrote...

I've seen Boro three times this season, and apart from West Ham at home we've looked pretty bloody good.

And West Ham away losing 3-0 was still one of the best performances i've seen.

Posted by: mike  | April 15, 2008 9:27 AM

littlejimmy wrote...

'Thierry Henry weighed in. Asked how Barcelona could beat BARCELONA in the Champions League he said: “By playing more like Boro than Arsenal."'

Hmmm.

**AV writes: good spot. I'll tidy that up.

Posted by: littlejimmy  | April 15, 2008 9:31 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

There are only two things that don't lie - league tables and record books - and very good reasons why stuff that appears in the media is labelled 'story' - the epithet mostly applied to fiction.

The league tables show us as currently doing worse than last season and as having scored fewer goals than any other team apart from the one relegated before the end of March.

That, despite spending £20m plus in fees and wages on 'strikers'.

Four games to go and we're far from safe. If we lose on Saturday we're dragged back into the clarts. A finish as high as the dizzying heights of 12th that we achieved last year is looking a challenge.

The brand of football espoused by Gate has appeared only fitfully and there is still more empty red plastic at The Riverside than is healthy.

We've had our usual smattering of good results against the big four but can anyone really say that they are confident about what performance we are going to see week to week or even half to half or which Boro are going to get off the bus for any particular fixture?

We exited the Carling Cup at the second time of asking - same as last year but admittedly this time to the eventual winners.

No need to remind anyone about the ingnominy of losing to Cardiff and what was available had we won.

Sorry (I mean that - I want Gate to succeed, he's a decent and honest bloke and makes a refreshing change for a Prem manager and, of course, I want Boro to make progress. I desperately don't want the high water mark of what the club achieves to be what The Ex got us) to have to get the harsh facts out amidst the blizzard of hypebole.

But I'll believe it when I see it.

**AV writes: Of course, the proof of the pudding is always in the eating - but this particular recipe looks far more palatable than the last chef's signature dish.

Posted by: John Powls  | April 15, 2008 9:31 AM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

I am delighted to see Boro attracting such positive acclaim from esteemed ex-footballing pundits and sports journalists.

My initial hope was that the players were kept insulated from the praise, ahead of the Bolton game. However I now have second thoughts.

Why not let the praise ring around Rockliffe and the Riverside? Let the players bask in the praise for the whole of this week and let them feel a sense of satisfaction (if not achievement).

More importantly, let them absorb the praise, and understand how good they can be, so the end affect is that they go out on Saturday and perform with a feel good factor against Bolton. The result then will be a victory.

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | April 15, 2008 9:46 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

A very uplifting and well balanced article AV - though it must have been difficult to type it with giant foam hands.

I think Boro have definitely progressed over the season and there are signs that Southgate is capable of producing a top 6 side if he can attract 2 or 3 quality players.

And this is the crux of your article that the ‘Boro bandwagon’ or perception that we are ‘going places’ could give us the edge during the summer transfer window.

You are also right to be cautious about joining this bandwagon, as despite some good performances of late, we have still only won 2 of our last 10 PL games – and those were unconvincing wins against Derby and Fulham.

So AV, if we can take 10 points from the last 4 ‘winnable’ games then please save me a seat on the unstoppable runaway-Boro-bandwagon!

Posted by: Werdermouth  | April 15, 2008 10:55 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

A little bit of indirect praise last night on Radio 5 commentary. The summariser for Chelsea v Wigan (Stan Collymore I think) talked about how Downing's width and delivery had exposed the Chelsea defence.

Maybe a hint of change in media perceptions but it doesnt disguise the fact MOTD labelled it Spurs vs West Ham nor does it mask the fact they showed few of our second half chances. And that is with a Boro fan as producer!

Praise is all well and good but let us heap mounds of praise when they beat Bolton and make us safe by playing for 90+ minutes and bettering Boltons physical challenge.

Lets us heap more praise when they respect the paying public and turn up for the last three games and perform as if they were playing for the shirt, the manager, Gibbo and the fans.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | April 15, 2008 10:55 AM

Holgate Ender wrote...

All this praise is NOT for Boro. It is for Southgate. Just as the rest of the rare positive stuff in the press is for Gibbo. And even that you feel has been pulled out of their gobs with pliers.

The press still hate us. Those two blokes give them the occasional good story but that won't stop them putting the knife into the club, the team, the crowd or the town every chance they get.


Posted by: Holgate Ender  | April 15, 2008 11:06 AM

stockton red wrote...

The truth as usual is somewhere between McInally's silly assertion that we are by far and away the best outside the top4 and John Powls virtually empty glass.

We started the season with 12 points from 14 games and looked in serious danger.

We have not scored enough goals.

Without doubt there are signs of improvement. Our last 20 league games - six wins, eight draws, six defeats- mid table stuff but even the most downbeat of observers knows that at least four of the draws could and should have been wins.

If we could finish the season with two wins and two draws I think most fans will believe that things are genuinely looking up.

Posted by: stockton red  | April 15, 2008 11:24 AM

John Powls wrote...

stockton red

Could'a, should'a, would'a - didn't. You make my point.

I sincerely hope we turn it to 'did' and that Gate's the man to do it.

Posted by: John Powls  | April 15, 2008 11:53 AM

David Morrison wrote...

I’ve been saying for some time that the style of football we play is so important in the current climate of the Premier League.

We needed to move away from the negative tactics of McClaren and assert a more authorative, attacking, pacey side to our game and moulded more into the type of game Arsenal and Man U play.

OK, we haven’t got multi million pound players but what we have got is technically efficient and fit players that enable us to play this way.

The Premier League is based on survival outside the top four so teams sit back away from home and saok up the pressure hoping to hit teams on the break and nick a 1-0.

What Boro are trying to adopt is a passing style that sucks teams in moves them around so their shape becomes disjointed and we can exploit it with pace and movement.

This happens especially away from home but emerges against teams that come to the riverside looking to play football, Man Utd, Arsenal, Birmingham to name a few.

What we need to do is get this into our game at home and then I feel with the additions of a few quality players we can be the best outside the top four, I really do believe this.

Southgate has matured over the last few months and I think he is relishing this opportunity he has. The summer will prove what he has learnt in the transfer market and hopefully those spectacular signings will appear..

Come on Boro!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | April 15, 2008 12:01 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Jesus wept John Powls, could you be any more depressing?

We have never really been threatened by relegation this season and we certainly aren't in danger of it now. Even if we lost on Saturday which I can't see happening, we'd have to lose our last three games (which include cup final bound-Pompey and Man City who finished their season in december, both at home) and other teams would have to have a miracle finish.

Try and appreciate what's happening at our club mate, you might just enjoy it. Negativity from people like yourself is the only thing that will halt our progress.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | April 15, 2008 12:22 PM

Greeny wrote...

Last week a Zen outpost, this week a Southgate love fest. This must be the best football blog in the country for diversity of subjects.

Let`s face it, an all round decent, honest, intelligent and no B.S. bloke like Gareth is going to have very few enemies. Even his detractors start by saying something positive about him. Contrast that with the McClaren era.

However, I firmly believe that his inexperience led to one of the worst performances by a Boro team and in one of the most important games ever.

We have had two seasons of him learning the ropes. Few Premiership sides can afford such luxuries and I don`t think Boro are one of them. The club may still be punished where it hurts come season ticket renewal time.

That said, we are where we are and he is clearly learning a thing or two - and their are flashes of good football, unimaginable in the McClaren era.

I have to believe that we will accumulate at least 10 more points next season, but as far as I am concerned, the jury is still well and truly out in terms of his ability to put out a side with any degree of consistency or goal scoring prowess.

If he is as good as his current press would have us believe, let's see a convincing display from the start against Bolton.

Oh, and how about getting the lardmiester Mido to shed a stone or two ready for next season?

Posted by: Greeny  | April 15, 2008 12:36 PM

coggins wrote...

Agree with Stockton Red.

I sense the mood of many fans is improving on the back of our recent form and the emerging Alves. We play some good stuff, can give anyone a game but are still profligate in front of goal.

Whether this improvement (with better finishing)will lead to an increase in attendances next season is not just down to the team however.

Pricing, new players, Teesside negativity, wider trend of falling crowds, match day experience, pub alternative and now the wider economy all come into play.

Hopefully the stay-aways will nonetheless begin to heed Lamb's call, on signing Alves, to help the club achieve its ambitions.

'Four games to go and we're far from safe'.
No, Bolton and Fulham are far from safe.

'No need to remind anyone about the ingnominy of losing to Cardiff and what was available had we won'.

So why bother then ?

Posted by: coggins  | April 15, 2008 1:11 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

A string of decent performances do not paper over the cracks of a full season.

The tag "Typical Boro" exists for a reason and it is not because of all the recent media superlatives being hurled in the direction of the Tees at the minute.

If this is truly a watershed, a defining moment in the history of this club then it needs to be consistent and Boro are a lot of things but consistent has never been one of them.

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see an object lesson in Football being metered out to Notlob on Saturday and a standing ovation at the end.

Age and experience however tells me to expect abject frustration, bitter disappointment and exasperation as to how a team that can match Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea in recent weeks and compliment themselves at Villa and Spurs roll over and have their collective tummies tickled by a strikerless relegation dooomed Bolton.

So come on Gareth, on Saturday prove me and more importantly the "Typical Boro" tag outdated. Lets see a performance that lasts 90 minutes and not just a sporadic 20 or 25 minute spell in the 2nd half.

Then (and this is the real challenge) take it into the next game and the next and the one after and through the summer into next season.

Then and only then will I start to buy into the hype, I have had Boro dreams and hopes dashed too often in the past, Cardiff is still very raw for me.

By all means enjoy and bask in the plaudits as they come begrudgingly and far too rarely in this part of the world but there is still an awful lot of work to be done to make the hype a reality.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | April 15, 2008 1:37 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

BoroPhil

Anyone who knows Powls knows he is Boro mad and travels all over the south to support them.

What he is doing is merely pointing out the facts. Going back a while we had just played Liverpool where we were a tad unlucky to lose although a scouser would quote the match stats to say otherwise. Our performances then went downhill culminatiing in the Cardiff fiasco.

Personally I think we will stay up (may even have enough points already) but it takes no great leap of reasoning to see us doing a Boro and losing at home to Bolton.

Luckily we can always fall back on our traditional, 'great', end of season performances at Sunderland then home to Citeh and Pompey.

History shows us to be poor favourites in matches - we only scored a goal a game against Derby - and our form against lower teams has been poor.

Just because John points out facts doesnt mean negativity, I am sure he thinks we will stay up but would like the points now thank you very much. Ask Gate what he thought when Palace were nine points clear with three games left, then ask him what he thought when they went down.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | April 15, 2008 1:45 PM

tonyblack wrote...

HOW WILL PEOPLE HERE DEFINE SUCCESS AND FAILURE NEXT SEASON ?

I just don't see it. I really don't.

Of course we want to see the man succeed and of course we want to be back in Europe and back mixing it up as high up the league as possible, but I just don't see GS and Coops as the dream team as AV and others do.

Yes, we've had some great results and the recent game against the mighty reds is testimony to the fact that we have good potential. But the odd good result against the " big boys " a season does not make. Our league position is the only proof there is and clearly demonstrates my point.

AV, I respect your opinion totally, I just don't agree with it and I don't see what you and other see. Perhaps I'm wrong and perhaps the green shoots are there ready to grow big and strong next season, let's hope so.

GS is honest in his after game press conferences- big wow ! He's articulate ! Whoop de doo. That to me doesn't make him any good at his job, it just makes him more palatable than smiling magnificent McClueless.

But hey, I could well be wrong and I certainly hope I am so that we can kick on next season and not have to start from the very beginning with someone new.

But I just can't see it and given how much you've been singing his praises AV, I'd like to know what GS needs to achieve next season for you and others to be happy and to say " I told you so TB ".

Let people clearly put their cards on the table for once and declare for all to see what GS needs to do next season to be hailed as a success.

What warrants a successful season next season and what would need to happen for people to start to call time on the GS and Coops era ?

Personally, a league position anything like this one will certainly not be acceptable to me, as at some point we will need to see some meat on the bones of all this hype, because at the moment hype is all it is.

TB

**AV writes: For me the bottom line is staying up.

Staying up comfortably and doing it in a way that leaves people going away from games happy that they have seen their team give it a good crack and playing in a way that offers hope and excitement and a reason to go back next week is the next step and constitutes a good season.

If you can graft a sustained run of results that takes you into the top half, maybe brings another good cup run, maybe nudges crowds and atmosphere up onto that then you are talking about a successful season.

Anything beyond that and you are talking McInally and I'm not anywhere near buying into that just yet.


ePeople should remember

Posted by: tonyblack  | April 15, 2008 2:00 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

Ian Gill,

Firstly, attendance at matches does not a great fan make you. I've had a guy sat behind me practically since the Riverside opened, and he's the most negative, critical Boro fan I've ever had the misfortune to know - yet for some unbeknown reason he keeps returning year after year.

IF his post wasn't negative I've misunderstood the definition of negative (someone else even pointed out it's glass half empty tone)

Relegation - we've probably got enough points already to stay up.

As for Cardiff - people really do need to get over it now. We didn't have any divine right to beat them and even if we had played well, we still could have lost.

It was a one-off cup match, we blew it. The number of cup finals we've reached in the last ten years suggests it won't be our last chance.

I just hope it isn't going to be a stick to beat Gareth with everytime something doesn't go quite right.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | April 15, 2008 2:15 PM

Paul McLean wrote...

I think Boro have the makings of a definite top half side.

Our problem is that we haven't had a goalscorer all season. Even when Tuncay and Aliadiere were both fit neither of them is prolific.

Tuncay played as an attacking midfielder in Turkey and is a far better player when he is facing goal rather than has his back to it.

Aliadiere has never scored consistently and for that reason when we come up against negative sides, particularly at home, that are happy to take a point we struggle to score.

Reading at home cried out for Southgate playing 3 up top and going for it. Instead we got hit by a sucker punch when it was a game we should clearly have won.

We are in a massively false position we are a far better team man for man than the likes of Sunderland, i'd even argue Blackburn and West Ham, but if you don't score goals you don't win games.

Next season if Alves hits the ground running we certainly will move up the table but our squad is still light and needs strengthening.

Totally agree with the gentleman who said a new left back a new right winger and probably 2 central midfielders if Rochemback goes which looks likely.

As for Southgate he took over a poor side and has slowly improved it. He's made some bad signings along the way, Mido stands out, but to his credit we are a far better, younger team now than we were when he took over and with some good additions we will be a force next year.

Keep up the good work Gareth.

Posted by: Paul McLean  | April 15, 2008 3:30 PM

tonyblack wrote...

AV baby, that's fair enough. I can't say that I've yet bought into this but there are / have been signs that when we do turn up we can give anyone a run for their money.

Is GS the man to finally do this ? We will have to wait and see and hope that he is.

It isn't all doom and gloom for me either. Alves, a more consistent Downing, all out air attack Wheater at corners, Pog's the lionheart as full time captain, GB getting back to his best, these are all excellent positives to take take forward and build on and let's just hope we do.

I'm just not convinced, even with the best will in the world, I'm just not convinced about GS and Coops and Co and just feel that with a better, much more experienced manager and team that we would be doing a lot, lot better, and as a fan that hurts.

But COME ON BORO. Let's finish higher than the other two so we can laugh VERY LOUDLY at them in here over the summer and then roll on next season so that we can see what's what.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | April 15, 2008 3:38 PM

David Morrison wrote...

Successful season?

For me its got to be the same as AV, staying up 1st and foremost but then doing it in a way that entertaine and gives hope that this team can be a golden generation.

I'm not saying Southgate and Coops are the dream team but they surely have an ethos about how they want to play and how the kids from the academy can be intergrated into this total football philosophy.

It is success to be going forward not standing still or going backwards, we must be trying to compete with clubs around us and push for the top 10.

Success for me will be improving home games and making MFC a viable option for a day out on a saturday afternoon.

Success will be the team believing in them selves something a typical boro have never done, never ever. I cant remember one team that had confidence to believe they can win any game and that is what sg is trying to incorporate - the mentality which in turn will produce success

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | April 15, 2008 3:50 PM

bradinho wrote...

TB

"Let people clearly put their cards on the table for once and declare for all to see what GS needs to do next season to be hailed as a success.

What warrants a successful season next season and what would need to happen for people to start to call time on the GS and Coops era ?"

Success for me would be a top ten finish, with only two of those since The Prem started I think that that is a good bench mark as both Robbo and McClaren achieved this after a couple of seasons.

Now if Southgate achieved this twice in a row then he would be our most successful manager since the Early 50's in terms of league progress.

However, another poor start to the season, money not spent/money mis-spent, or even a bad haircut and dodgy cardigans would put Gareth under immense pressure.

I guess what I'm saying is that Southgate's popularity amongst the crowd has quickly changed in his favour recently but I can see many "fans" just as easily turning the other way if things go a little wrong.

Thats the sad case with the Boro, our expectations are high and get even higher if there is a faint whiff of success but if things go wrong then all of a sudden everybody has something to say and has their own solution to the percieved problem, many of which include sack the manager and get in a big name "who knows what he is doing". I say that if a captain and 57-time capped International can't do the job then who can?

So please IF we have a poor end to the season and/or a poor start to next season think back to the here and now and have a look at the budding green shoots of what could possibly be the best spring in the clubs history and know that the start of something good HAS happened under GS and it may well be one last sharp frost before the full blossoms of summer.

Posted by: bradinho  | April 15, 2008 4:20 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

I love the attention we're getting all of a sudden, AV!

I find it incredible, actually, that just for once the media isn't going into overdriven drivel about Toon and KK, but is giving Boro praise.

Is it April 1st? Have the media (yourself excepted, obviously) developed some kind of collective virus that affects their usually biased, clueless, ludicrous reporting? Whatever it is, can we have some more, please?

Having said that, we come to Bolton. Sorry. Possibly one of the hardest games of the season. They've just won their first game for yonks. They have to win this one, as they have 3 very hard games left after Boro.

We know they will be very physical and very direct. Megson will get them up for this, even though he's not done so much since he took over. So this is where it really matters.

Technically, we should have the beating of them, because technically they're crap, and anyway Davies isn't playing. Beat Notlob, and we're safe, lose - and it's back to bitten fingernails.

So Gate has to forget the plaudits this weekend. He has to get Boro wound up to beat Bolton by whatever means necessary. It would be nice if we did it with style and panache, but I don't expect Bolton will allow us to play like that, so I for one shan't complain if we only beat them 1-0 with a deflection off the ref. But beat them, we must.

And I'm really an optimist. I firmly believe that next season will bring rich flowing football and possibly a European spot. And lots more plaudits!

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | April 15, 2008 4:23 PM

Never Happy wrote...

TB - Steve Gibson gave GS a 5 year deal and judging SG by his previous managers, GS will need to do something drastic not to see out his tenure.

To judge GS a success the team needs to improve year on year, both in results and in the style of football that they play.

This season the results are no better then last season but in many games the style of football has improved big time.

Putting the two together will be the key.

GS is assembling a young squad that are showing a togetherness and brand of football that is much improved on MaClaren's reign.

Next seasons aim has to be a top 10 finish and good runs in the cup competitions.

You have made it obvious that you are no fan of GS or CC, what will it take for you to accept that they are doing a good job?

Posted by: Never Happy  | April 15, 2008 4:37 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

BoroPhil

I can assure you John doesnt sit there grumbling but you pays your money and makes your choice.

The truth is what he says is fact, a look at the table shows we are on the fringe of the relegation battle. As I stated we may have enough points already, a point against Bolton would probably do. But limping to the end of the season would deflate everyone

Onto Saturday and of more importance is the fact Davies is suspended, his battle with Pogi could have been on pay per view but lets take advantage.

They have even less firepower than us so there is every reason to go out and put them to the sword.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | April 15, 2008 4:59 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

I'm not sure if some people are ever going to be happy supporting Boro.

OK it's one thing to criticise the team when things aren't going well but to continue to be on a downer when recent performances merit hope for next season is bordering on clinical depression.

I'm not saying all is perfect but I've been encouraged to now believe Southgate knows what he's doing and is able to make tactical changes, give a decent half-time team talk, as well as having an eye for a player and the authority to keep dissent in check.

So what more do people want in a manager? And who exactly do they think is a better long-term option?

Posted by: Werdermouth  | April 15, 2008 5:12 PM

John Powls wrote...

BoroPhil

Neither does ra-ra and foam handing make a good fan either.

Not sure about which bit of the facts of what I said you disagreed with. And pointing out the facts was all I did.

You didn't like me repeating the Cardiff piece.

If you think that things like that are just best swept under the carpet, I can't agree.

But, I'm actually saying no more nor less than Gate has said himself on many occasions. I can point you to the examples, if you don't recall. Is he negative because he says it and wants to get it better?

That's not negative - it's just recognition of reality.

Gate's honesty and refusal to spin is one of his better qualities and a refreshing change from his predecessor.

Wishing away reality and just hoping or even believing it'll get better won't do it - it takes practical action and things have to change.

If Gate had been a foam hander one would presume that at half time at Spurs he would have said, 'That's OK lads, no problem, just carry on with what you're doing and it'll all be alright. I thought you did brill.'

Instead of which - according to both Gate and Stewie - he handed out a bollocking and said 'not acceptable' and 'not what you owe the fans who've travelled'. He followed that up with substitutions and a change of formation and the rest is history. Gate deserved credit for that and he certainly got it from me.

I don't sit in the stands and barrack - never have - but neither do I deny the evidence of my eyes in assessing what I see.

I voice my opinion honestly on here and elsewhere like we all do. If you and others don't like it - well, that's your opinion and you're entitled too, of course.

Opinions is what it's all about.

Are you honestly satisfied with what Boro have done this season? Would you rather we had the same season next season as we've had for the last two - or would you prefer something better?

I think Gate would and so would I.

So, something has to change - in fact several somethings.

What I don't see yet is the evidence to support what I'd like to see happen. Of course, like all of us, I hope to see it. And, as I've said many times too, I hope that Gate is in charge when it happens.

Believe you me there will be no greater praise than I will give when I see it happen.

Posted by: John Powls  | April 15, 2008 5:32 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

John,

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and I would never suggest otherwise.

On the whole, I have been happy with the last two seasons. Yes, I'd rather we could have progressed slightly faster, and yes it would have been nice if we'd got to a cup final this season but we have made progress, there is no doubt about that.

OK, we may have less points but that's a pretty simplistic measure of improvement. 40 points one year does not necessarily equal 40 points the next.

Next season will be Gareth's real test. He has all the blocks in place now to push on, and if we are in a similar position at this point next year he might be under a bit more pressure, and rightly so.

As it is, I think we should be pleased with his reign to date and as fans should try and support it as much as we can.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | April 15, 2008 9:16 PM

Tees Exile wrote...

"prickling with righteous indignation and a jealously guarded fuel of paranoia"

That blinkered idiocy is what we need to get away from if we want to change the small time mentality and build a club that can challenge and progress.

The problem Boro have always had can be seen on this thread with the habitual knockers rushing out to condemn the solid concrete foundations that have been laid because the roof isn't on yet. And they call themselves realists.

Luckily Gareth Southgate and Steve Gibson have bigger ambitions and stronger nerves than that.

Posted by: Tees Exile  | April 15, 2008 10:05 PM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

I was on the point of quoting the Telegraph's profile of GS & Alyson Rudd's complimentary analysis of Saturday's match, Vic, but you beat me to it!

Re this Saturday's match against "Notlob", have just spotted this on BT Yahoo Sport:

"Davies on the bus to Boro

Tue 15 Apr, 10:00 PM

Gary Megson says Bolton's Kevin Davies will travel with the team to Middlesbrough despite being suspended for the Premier League clash.

Davies scored the winning goal in Wanderers' 1-0 home victory over West Ham, but collected a booking, which resulted in a two-game ban. Three more points on Saturday will lift Megson's men out of the relegation zone, with closest rivals Birmingham not in action until Sunday, when they take on Aston Villa at Villa Park.

Davies may have scored just three times in the league this season but his work-rate and character marks him out as a key man in the Trotters camp.

"Davo will come with us anyway, but he will want to," Megson told the Lancashire Evening Telegraph. "Kevin Nolan and Jussi Jaaskelainen are the same. They travel even when they are not playing. They are influential people, well thought of, and they have a role to play regardless of whether they are on the field of play."

Megson could call upon Poland international, Grzegorz Rasiak, to lead the line in place of Davies at the Riverside Stadium. The 29-year-old, who has made five substitute appearances since joining on loan from Southampton, was an unused substitute against the Hammers.

Heidar Helguson, who started in the 4-0 defeat at Aston Villa, could be another option. El-Hadji Diouf, who like Davies has three league goals to his name in 2007/8, will almost certainly start."

* I must say, I hadn't realised that Davies had earned himself a ban...! :)

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | April 15, 2008 10:38 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

I had read the pieces in The Times and in the Daily Telegraph, and heard live with surprise the comments McInally made on Sky Sports News, to which you referred.

I was in the process of telling some colleagues about the comments when one of them showed me your article in The Gazette, on the same subject.

I am now SERIOUSLY worried you are stalking the minds of your readers for your column.

Things are looking brighter now than a few weeks ago. However the most important game we have to play is the next one. There is no benefit getting very good (and well praised) points against Arsenal, Man United & Spurs, if we fail to get three points against the likes of Bolton.

We are not competing against the first three (at least not this season!) but are very definitely competing with Bolton to ensure we stay up.

Games won against teams such as Reading would have pushed us up at the same time as keeping our competitors down. So three points this weekend really are vital.

It is still possible, but extremely unlikely, we could go down. Defeating Bolton would remove even the "extremely unlikely" possibility.

Boro's finishing the season with a flourish over the next few weeks will lift our spirits and hopefully ensure that, with a feeling of optimism, season tickets will sell in much greater numbers than seemed probable in early March.

With regard to the comment of Paul McLean (post from 15.04.08 at 3.30pm) "...if Rochemback goes, which seems likely", I would say only that it is a nailed-on certainty that Rocky will depart in the summer. Householders in North Ormesby will be able to remove the wooden shuttering from their windows.

He obviously has some talent. He has just shown it very rarely in a Boro shirt. Is that his fault or is there something wrong with our motivation of players?

And whilst on "non-playing issues", I thought we had a team of sports scientists and nutritionists at our 21st Century super training facilities. Were they given a holiday at the time Mido came back from his (previous) injury or have we put Super Size Parmos washed down with Guinness on the menu at Rockliffe?

(Sorry about the last two paragraphs. A little bit of "Typical Boro" mentalilty showing through. The more upbeat start of this post shows my deeper feelings.

But I will still be looking for my lucky undies, and try to remember to go through the "right" turnstile for the next game in order to do my bit! Three points, please God!).

**AV writes: When you log onto this site you download my untypicalboro.exe brainbot which relays your every thought to Gazette central. We are building a detailed socio-emotional map of Teesside for marketing purposes.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | April 16, 2008 1:18 AM

Richard wrote...

Some Boro supporters could do with taking a leaf out of Gareth Southgate’s book! And so could some media pundits!

It’s pleasing to note that Gareth Southgate’s influence is a) being positively felt and b) being noticed. However,…………..

One extremely important facet of Gareth Southgate’s trademark style is his objective, accurate, brutally honest assessment of what are his team’s capabilities and performances.

We get only a hint of this in his public declarations. But in his team selections throughout the season, there have been further indicators that this is very much a guy who knows what he wants and is prepared to stick to his principles and is determined to get it – even if it takes time.

Almost every Leadership text will tell you that delayed gratification and patience is an essential element in self-improvement and maturation process. Selflessness and attention to the needs of “subordinates” yet dispensing it as “tough love” when necessary are characteristics of great leaders.

Being empathic with those in your charge whilst mindful of the greater needs of the whole is a characteristic quality of those who can inspire others. Southgate appears to have those qualities.

His response, empathy with the feelings of supporters immediately after the wincing Cardiff performance was not patronising, it was heartfelt. It was delivered with a simmering anger and disappointment from a man who, it was obvious, felt the burden of personal responsibility.

In itself, it was a measure of the character of the man. However, in the response he has extracted from the team since that watershed day, he has gone on to practically demonstrate his own commitment to putting right the things that were wrong and has clearly united the team behind him in aiming to make amends for the humiliation of that defeat.

Gareth Southgate is a leader.

We can all take example from his leadership. Do not over-celebrate mediocre success. Do not over-react negatively when set-backs are encountered. Do not overly “big up” our performances and jump on any media-led bandwagon of over-indulgent expectation.

Take satisfaction from small, steady improvements that will deliver sustainable better results over time.

It IS difficult, but like Gareth Southgate, Boro’s supporters can serve the club – and therefore, ultimately themselves – better in the longer term, by avoiding the excesses of euphoria and despondency – both ends of the emotional spectrum.

I’m reminded at this point, of Rudyard Kipling’s “If” – a majestic piece of insightful prose that has entertained and sustained me for years. Several quotations from that work seem appropriate now.

In consideration of team personnel selection:

“If all men count with you, but none too much”

In consideration of the excesses of ecstacy and despondency :

“If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same”

In considering patience, avoiding short-fused reaction and preparedness to delay gratification:

“If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, and - which is more - you’ll be a Man my son!”

Southgate, I believe, excels in these areas.

I think that if many Boro supporters (supporters generally, but I’d love to see Boro supporters leading the pack in this regard) were to collectively meet such criteria, and display the maturity inherent in these reflections, and provide genuine support, i.e. “we’re right behind you no matter what – type support” instead of turning tails in troubled times, looking for somebody to blame and calling for the manager’s head, then the team would benefit on matchdays and it would help the club to thrive!

There are some who are already doing it - the good stuff I mean! The Twe12th Man group are putting themselves up there for it. The flags get waved before every match – irrespective of what the previous week’s result was!

Probably controversially for some, but in the same vein, I believe also that it was an appropriate move for the club to seek to quell, or at least diminish, the overly-dramatic negativity prevalent in radio-transmitted Slavenesque rants by some of our more emotionally-indulgent compatriots.

Such routine voicing of vitriolic abuse as was becoming the norm could only ever serve to perpetuate an air of gloom and a continuously heavy atmosphere on Teesside.
I’m all for leaving in an ever-receding past such days of Teesside smog!

Southgate deserves better! He’s one of us!

Posted by: Richard  | April 16, 2008 2:08 AM

tonyblack wrote...

Hi Never Happy,

for me personally above all else to get off GS and CC backs I really want to see us having the same "go" at teams like Reading, Bolton and the like that we do against the Man UTD's.

Win or lose I want to see us go to these places and absolutely getting stuck in. For me the manager that cures this age old problem of ours is guaranteed to do well.

I want to then end the usual relegation battle syndrome.

I want to see GS making changes off the field as well as on it that make you think that the man's got vision and balls and isn't just there as Steve Gibson's puppet.

I want to see the end of the era of "friends of friends" being employed and a few new GOOD faces in the backroom team that are going to make a real difference on the field.

Basically, I just want to see change, but change for the better with new and better ideas and people with new and better motivations.

I want to see something that makes me sit up and take notice that the same old problems that are talked about in here ad infinitum are being addressed.

I want to see a stronger, fitter and less injury prone squad. So when I see the head of sports science at the job centre where he belongs I will be buying a season ticket because I know that if we get someone in who can take the lads to a higher level that it will make a massive difference.

These things would make me really believe that although GS lacks the knowledge and experience at this moment in time, that he knows what needs doing and has the power and balls to do it.

For me personally it isn't just about who you buy, it's a mixture of who you buy and who you employ to coach them. Whilst we have some very good talent here I just feel that we don't have the same talent on the coaching side to bring out the very best of them.

The same goes for the physio side of things which with such a small squad, which isn't strong bench wise, makes all the difference.

It's time for changes, BIG changes OFF the field. Changes that will really get the juices flowing where fans can clearly see that the new people coming in have the right kind of CV's that in due course will make ALL the difference.

If we get a new head of sports science or a new head of physiotherapy for example, lets get them out into a press conference after they have had time to evaluate what needs doing and then let's hear what they are going to do and how / why it will be better and how long it will take.

Let's do new things that will communicate to the fans that times are a changing FOR THE BETTER.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | April 16, 2008 8:33 AM

Phil ex Warrenby wrote...

Boro Phil, have you ever thought the guy moaning behind you at the Riverside is non other than John Powls?

Posted by: Phil ex Warrenby  | April 16, 2008 9:38 AM

lauren wrote...

I think Southgate has improved and he now knows what to do to change the game - for the better. We could have easily got beat at Tottenham but when Boro came back out after half time they were a different team and deserved their point.

Posted by: lauren  | April 16, 2008 9:48 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Fair enough TB, just be thankful we have not had injuries like West Ham have had this season.

Posted by: Never Happy  | April 16, 2008 10:52 AM

Nigel wrote...

The last para. of this thread sums it up for me. How we perform in our next four matches will be a measure of how the team is progressing.

The signs are good but we need sustained performances consistently against the mediocre teams of the division before we can start getting carried away about top six finishes. There is a long way to go yet but are reasons to be optimistic (unless your John Powls of course!)

I haven't read all the posts on here but as usual Richards' stands out as making a lot of sense, I was also a little surprised to read that John Powls hopes Southgate succeeds, hard to believe after all the destructive critisism he's posted to date regarding GS.

Southgate has nearly all the qualities to be an excellent leader, the final one he needs as Napoleon famously said is luck.

We have a good squad which no doubt will be improved in the summer, what we need next season is an absence of injuries to key players, then we may achieve a top 8 place.

But to go from where we are now to challenging for a UEFA cup place is a big big leap.

Posted by: Nigel  | April 16, 2008 11:00 AM

Forever Dormo wrote...

I pressed a wrong button a few minutes ago, so some of my thoughts may be floating about the ether, never to be retrieved. Let's try again. It is good to have a day off work and read this blog at leisure.

Richard (post at 2.30am today): I was always partial to a bit of Kipling. I understand his grandson bakes exceedingly good cakes. He gives a good basis for treating life and its ups and downs.

I think we can all agree that after a good game we do not suddenly become the all-conquering heroes of our dreams, and after a bad game we do not become the worst team in the world. We have to keep a sense of proportion, though it is legitmate to hope for gradual improvement.

I agree GS is showing the right attributes. I agree he seems like "one of us" (I thought that when he was playing, too. The old punches to each stand after the final whistle when we had done well expressed exactly how I felt).

I agree we should support the team fully. That does not mean we can't, after the game or in this blog, make reasonable points even if they are critical.

It does not mean we have to cheer the team off the field like all-conquering heroes after an abject performance such as that against Cardiff. But it does mean giving full support during the game.

It can't be a coincidence that the teams who regularly succeed in football either have very rich backers or have a large fanatically supportive crowd. In every field of endeavour, knowledge he is fully supported is likely to make the performer more positive and, therefore, more likely to be successful. It also gets more 50/50 decisions from intimidated referees and their "assistants".

As for the other posters - I am sure we all want the same thing. Steady improvement built on firm foundations is more likely to last. Management changes at rapid intervals are generally not a good thing.

If Steve Gibson has faith in GS we should trust that faith unless it becomes obvious over a period of time that is misplaced. He has not yet had that time.

Even then, we do not know under what constraints GS is operating - our Chairman is a millionaire in what is becoming a billionaires' hobby; he has inherited a squad and has had to make do with the raw materials at his disposal; he is starting to build his own squad, but not until next season at least could we say it is "Gareth's squad".

How long did even (speak his name with hushed reverence) the selectively blind and fine Burgundy-swilling Grumpy Scot get at Old Trafford before having success? And that is WITH the wealth of that club and its massive support behind him!

We start from a much lower base. The Chairman is Boro through and through. There is no trench warfare going on between shareholders. GS is one of us. Some of the team are as Teesside as it gets (Wheater - he'd lassoo the Moon and drag it down so you wouldn't have to travel there - Downing....etc) and some of the imports have obviously swallowed some Teesside DNA (Poggy, George...), or is it mutation as we are not that far from the nuclear power station at Seaton Carew?

Actually, the more I think about it the prouder I become of our club. We are in it together. Just think how much sweeter the taste of success will be.

But we must be a little more patient. Gourmet meals take longer to cook than a burger.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | April 16, 2008 11:59 AM

John Powls wrote...

There's clearly something mind altering in the foam hand fumes which makes people see only their own version of the truth - whether on a football field or on this blog.

Posted by: John Powls  | April 16, 2008 12:14 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Just to show that Boro do not only perform against the PL big guns....

If Boro are in a mini league of those fighting for PL survival starting with the Skunks downwards then:

We have played 14 games and gained 6 wins and 23 points.

Bolton and the Mackems to play.

Playing against sides from outside the mini league

We have played 20 games and gained 2 wins and 13 points.

Man C and Pompey to play.

So granted we have played well this season against the big guns in some of the games against them, but overall it is our wins against Fulham (2), Derby (2), Wigan (1) and Birmingham (1) that has kept us up.

Might make interesting reading for those who proclaim that Boro do not perform against the lesser teams.

Our record this season reads:
Played 14
Won 6
Drawn 5
Lost 3

C'mon Boro make it Won 7 on Saturday.

Posted by: Never Happy  | April 16, 2008 12:37 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Now that I'm already looking forward to next season...

The Gazette has an interview with Gareth Southgate today in which he suggests that he’s only looking to make a few signings this summer. Given that Gibson said he would be backing GS with up to £30 million, then we should expect some quality signings, perhaps even spectaculars?

Other reports in the press speculate that both Boateng and Rocky are on their way out this summer, so we’ll need a couple of central midfielders.

Sidwell and Bullard are both likely to be available and I think they would suit the team. We’ve also been linked with Giles Barnes but he seems a bit injury prone, which given our treatment record, doesn’t bode well

Also, given that Schwarzer is out of contract a new keeper is a definite – perhaps Southgate is the man to rebuild Robinson's confidence or maybe Cudicini can be prised from Chelsea.

I’m not sure if we need a right-sided midfielder as we seem to have the option of Ali, Tuncay, Johnson and O’Neil but if somebody like SWP was available it would improve the position.

Any other suggestions?

Posted by: Werdermouth  | April 16, 2008 12:47 PM

Nigel wrote...

Maybe if I could get these foams hands off my typing and spelling would improve!

Posted by: Nigel  | April 16, 2008 12:52 PM

dave wrote...

If Southgate is so good then why are Wigan and Sunderland right behind us and Newcastle (in crisis) ahead of us and only 4 points from 17th place.

Can he turn it around next season? Big season for Southgate.

Any talk of future England manager is a joke, when he has Boro where Portmouth are now then let us start to discuss things. Wait to see if he can do what Steve Mac did for us.

At he moment we draw to many games and struggle to beat teams above us in mid table. We still need 5 quality players, a striker, 2 central midfielders and a right midfielder all who can score goals and a keeper.

Posted by: dave  | April 16, 2008 1:06 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Dear SWP, Come and play for a real team again where the keeper doesnt wear a padded bra with double chin strap as a hat. No I think Aliaddierre should be move out to the right and Tuncay play behind the strikers in the hole.

I am trying to get to the Bolton match but am working at the other end of the country- I just feel some goals coming on if Southgate continues to select the formation right, that together with the right Subs.

Please stop saying stuff like ' cut our cloth ' and ' we must learn from this' Gareth as I like what you are planning.

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | April 16, 2008 1:46 PM

Forever Dormo wrote...

Have I failed to notice it previously, or is the text in the right hand margin ("about this blog, recent comments, recent posts to this blog....")a recent innovation?

If it has been there all along, it might explain why I sometimes disagree with offside decisions. If it is new, I will sigh with relief.

**AV writes: It is relatively new, a few months or so.

Posted by: Forever Dormo  | April 16, 2008 7:39 PM

T "sker" wrote...

"Gate"????? oh I see,

Gan is doing alright now and Ane looks like keeping his team up, though Ger cant be too happy with the way his team has fell apart recently.

Ant however despite taking his team to 2nd in the league still looks like he will lose his job. Pell will keep his no matter what happens to Reading and Well will have to start again at Derby.

Posted by: T "sker"  | April 16, 2008 8:19 PM

Si wrote...

As a side note, please stop pickig on Mido. After all in my time away from playing football regularly I've had difficulty in keeping away from man boobs.

Admittedly he did in two months what I did in a decade, but then he can afford a lot more parmos than me.

Posted by: Si  | April 16, 2008 10:23 PM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

Werdermouth: you asked for suggestions for potential new (summer) signings in your post timed at 12.47 today.

I thought I'd comment on possibilities/likelihoods! Re the possibility of Jimmy Bullard’s availability (assuming Fulham go down), as I reported in one of AV's blogs a couple of weeks ago, the London evening freebies have said that he's told insiders he'll stay even if that happens.

Villa & the Hammers are also reported to be interested if he does become available & I suspect they’d prove more attractive potential future “homes” for him, if he does actually decide to move!

As for Steve Sidwell, on the other hand, his name was one of a long list mentioned in a report in today’s “Times” on an Abramovich “fire sale” at Chelsea in the summer which will give you & a few of the posters on here pause for thought!

The facts were then echoed in the London evening freebies: Sheva, Sidwell, Tal Ben-Haim & Claudio Pizarro have apparently been told they can go (Ben-Haim is even quoted as saying he signed from Bolton last summer because of Mourinho & if he’d known Grant was going to take over, he’d have gone elsewhere!), while there are “question marks” over SWP, Carlo Cudicini, Florent Malouda & Juliano Belletti. The list goes on, but it then gets to the point where it’s difficult to tell fact from fiction…!

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | April 16, 2008 11:02 PM

Phil ex Warrenby wrote...

Dave wrote, "wait to see if he can do what Steve Mac did for us"???? Are you a lunatic !!!! He did for England what he did for us. Do you realy want that? Wake up man.

Posted by: Phil ex Warrenby  | April 17, 2008 5:35 AM

Dave wrote...

Phil, yeah who needs cup success and uefa cup football?

Posted by: Dave  | April 17, 2008 11:30 AM

robert fairbairn wrote...

Seeing as Junihno, Emerson, Rochemback and Afonso Alves are my most favorite ever Boro players, I would like to lern to talk Brazilian. Is there anywere in da boro or sotckton were I can do this? Ta

Posted by: robert fairbairn  | April 17, 2008 12:49 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Robert:

You could probably walk into most beauty salons in the Teesside area and ask them if they could introduce you to a decent Brazilian - though be prepared to be out of your comfort zone until you get used to it!

Posted by: Werdermouth  | April 17, 2008 1:08 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Robert Fairbairn

You might try Portuguese. Just a suggestion.

Footnote to TB:- come next season, GS WILL be experienced! If he does as well next season as I expect him to, he will also be one of the Prem's longest serving managers! Keep smiling.

Come on Boro!!

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | April 17, 2008 3:49 PM

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