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Macnificent: Charm Offensive Cuts No Ice

Posted by on April 3, 2008 11:27 AM | 

JOB-SEEKING former football boss Steve McClaren has launched another charm offensive to keep himself in the public eye as the all important summer cattle market looms. After six months out to let the dust settle he appears ready to start polishing up his CV ready for the annual coach cull and hiring fair. He hasn't actually gone as far as stuffing A4 leaflet's through the letterboxes of chairmans' mansions offering "teams managed, football directed, no job too small, reasonable rates" but you feel it can't be far off.

McClaren dipped his toes in the jobs market water back in January when the Newcastle job was up for grabs but got no takers. Now he is putting out a reminder. His impervious toothy grin was given an outing earlier this week when he was given a high profile platform to advertise his wares and explain away that England misunderstanding through the haze of Gabby Logan's perfumed soft focus sychophancy on Inside Sport. Given the programme's currency among the core audience of sports suits and boardroom movers and shakers it was as close to an advertisement as the BBC charter allows.

Now he has taken his message to the market closer to home and granted an in-depth interview to Tyne Tees too. There was little in the way of contrition for the crimes against football that many of the more unforgiving in Teesside would like him dragged before a supporters court to answer, but he did say some nice things about Gibbo, Gareth and how fortunate he was to find a club ready and willing to give him the time and support to deliver what - and there is no escaping it - was Boro's most successful spell ever.

The interview runs to 30 minutes and is hard work in places when it gets overly self-serving but it has some illuminating moments, although those who still find themselves easily wound up by his foot-in-mouthisms should probably stick to the seven inch remix highlight package on the site.

The essence of the public information film, especially how it relates directly to Boro, has been distilled by Phil Tallentire in today's Evening Gazette. There are no Earth shattering revelations and don't expect a humbled man admitting too many mistakes - in fact he explicitly shrugs off the terrace sniping and misjudges what could be his own historical reputation - but it is an interesting read nevertheless.

I think the main arguments will break out over these these three statements, all of which I think are fundamentally true but raise a string of other more provocative questions and have the potential to pick at a few barely healed scabs.


"Clubs have a success threshold. We knew we couldn’t win the Premier League, we knew we couldn’t get into the Champions League, but Europe was a distinct possibility, winning a trophy was a distinct possibility and Steve was fantastic in giving us the resources to be able to do that."

"I believe, yes winning the Carling Cup huge, but success in Europe, taking Middlesbrough into Europe for me was the biggest achievement and my last game was a UEFA Cup final. We’ve seen since then with other English teams how difficult it is to progress in that tournament so, yes, I believe where we we took Middlesbrough was towards that success threshold."

"It (criticism) doesn’t bother me personally because I know what we achieved. I know as the years go on the appreciation is there. Players and staff within that club realise that was a great period. We had good players, a good squad and we achieved many things which we wanted to achieve and I think over the years that will be appreciated a lot more than it was at the time."

I think his record at Boro is impressive and unquestionable and history will judge him kindly when it comes to listing the achievements at the Riverside and that with England he did as well as could be expected given the limitations of an overhyped squad and overly inflated expectations from the media and the public.

But football is about more than just results. It is about a dynamic relationship, a feeling, a spirit. A successful club revolves around an intangible unity of team, boss and supporters. At both Boro and England he left fans frustrated, bored and poised to kick the TV screen in with every smiling post-match denial of reality. On that basis McClaren is damaged goods - not because of his pedigree but because of his persona.

His wooden charisma-lite presence is a major turn-off and given that public relations and media management is an essential element of the job, especially at the higher levels, that will count heavily against him. That and the public antipathy to a manager who never enjoyed an England honeymoon and who pretty much believes the background soundtrack to everyday life is booing.

Any chairman who takes the risk on appointing him runs the risk of an immediate and heartfelt public backlash. It will take a desperate man and a desperate club to offer Mac a job just now. We'll keep your CV on file Mr McClaren. We'll let you know if any suitable vacancy occurs.

Comments (46)

John Powls wrote...

Interesting to see the Gazette report on the Tyne/Tees Interview with The Ex.

Objectively, what he says about his achievements with Boro is true.

Reading it again points up to me two of the things I am most critical of the current regime about.

Firstly, what Boro achieved under The Ex can't, surely, be left as the high water mark for the club. But, at present, I see no sign of progress that would get us back to that level, let alone better it.

Secondly, with the resource available to Gate - leave aside Gregg's boy whose season is now over due to the hernia op (some would say it's been over for a long time) - more should have been achieved this season.

Man for man our squad and team are as good as many in this division outside the big four.

The whole continues to be less than the sum of the parts. That's down to the manager and coaches.

**AV writes: I've moved this over.

Posted by: John Powls  | April 3, 2008 12:27 PM

Ken wrote...

I have no sympathy for McClaren.

His negative displays turned me away from Boro after many seasons as a ticket holder. In fact so much so that I must be the only fan never to have been to the Riverside for a European match!

But - how do we get back to that level?

We are at the level of Sunderland, which says it all! And since both Newcastle and Sunderland's managers today are stating that they need about £50m to get their squads in shape for next season, how will our club ensure that we remain at the level of Sunderland next season?

I think we have some great players at Boro, but we don't seem organised appropriately to be euro contenders next season. I don't see any way Boro will spend £50m!!! (But on the bright side, we don't need to, do we?)

Posted by: Ken  | April 3, 2008 12:51 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

I hate the guy with a passion for grinding down the crowd and sucking the soul out of the club.

Grudging respect for delivering the trophy and getting into Europe but it takes some doing to achieve that and still force the crowds down. Most of those he sickened off will never be back

I don't think the club has recovered yet from the years of negativity.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | April 3, 2008 1:09 PM

jiffy wrote...

McClaren's apparent personality bypass performance in front of the media and paparrazzi is somewhat of a shame as it tarnishes for many their impression of the man.

I always found it perplexing that he could be so bland on screen yet in person when addressing supporters groups at meetings like MSS Annual Christmas Party he was a totally different person.

At such events he took part in excellent Q&A sessions and came across as a genuine even likeable sort of bloke and certainly those occasions did a lot to quell the murmurings of unrest in the buildup to the session.How could this be the same person? Camera shy?

But then again the inanity of the questions posed by the media post-match never ceases to amaze me. Perhaps only Gordon Strachan succeeds in treating those occasions with the contempt they deserve.

Fact 1

Boro's only major trophy came under Maclaren. Whether that was because of him or in spite of him is open to debate but that won't get recorded in history - the trophy success will.

fact 2

The club moved on due to that win - the likes of Viduka and Hasselbaink only came because of UEFA cup football - probably the same applied to Yakubu and certainly Reiziger who is best forgotten.

Fact 3

Boro's first European campaign was scuppered by injury and weak squad - Sporting were certainly beatable by a stronger Boro team. yet amazingly despite the rigours of europe and a decent cup run the club still made it back into Europe through the league - arguakly as great an achievement as the Carling Cup Win.

Fact 3

One year's experience in Europe and Boro went all the way 2nd time around - arguabkly the greatest achievement of all and Mac is right to point out how noen of the other teams representing england have gone anywhere near.

But the fact still remains - the current squad are further away from emulating their immediate predecessors than ever and THAT fact alone represents the failings of the club to build from Cardiff and Eindhoven.

So exactly where was that momentum lost and who was responsible?

Posted by: jiffy  | April 3, 2008 1:10 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

The main problem with McClaren was the parading of his personal ambition and being a shameless self-publicist.

Despite the employment of a spin doctor he failed to fool any of the people any of the time and his successes were often due more to luck than design.

He always had his eye on the next step of his career, which basically abused the fact that Steve Gibson is probably the most loyal chairman in the country so any club who decide to employ him would be wise to have a replacement in waiting in case his lucky streak returned and was successful enough to attract a bigger club.

Perhaps the best option open to him would be if the BBC decided to continue their role as his pseudo agent and create a Saturday evening reality series that aims to find him a new job. Perhaps they could call it “Any club will do”.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | April 3, 2008 1:54 PM

dave wrote...

Steve Mac didnt have the media skills that Southgate has but we wouldnt have gone out for Cardiff that is for sure.

McClaren made us into an excellent cup team. With better football than is being served up now. Now we have a yes man who just follows the orders of the Chairman.

I am ashamed to admit that i would swap McClaren for Southgate if we could.

**AV writes: Be careful what you wish for....

Posted by: dave  | April 3, 2008 2:01 PM

Nigel wrote...

As Holgate Ender points out the paradox that is Steve McClaren was his ability to achieve the Carling Cup win , a UEFA cup final place and the clu'bs highest ever prem placing and at the same time alienate the fans to the extent that the Riverside was rarely full and crowd size declined season after season.

A unique achievement for sure, how history will judge him I have no idea , how I judge him, well thanks for the success but no thanks for the dull dull football.

Posted by: Nigel  | April 3, 2008 2:02 PM

andy T wrote...

Steve McClaren is the MFC version of Thatcher. He knocked the club into shape and made a success of things. He leaves under a cloud and not a popular person.

New person takes over, crowds continue to fall, the quality is poor and we can not push on but fans still blame the previous manager for how poor the current manager is doing and the state the club is in

**AV writes: Ooooh, a little bit of politics there.

Posted by: andy T  | April 3, 2008 2:15 PM

Aberdeen Brian wrote...

I agree with much of what Jiffy has written, especially the fall from grace since Eindhoven.

What Jiffy missed out, perhaps, was the fact that the team that played at Eindhoven was an ageing team (which was underlined by a superb Seville team). It seemed as if Maclaren built a team for a one-off and the ploy failed.

When Mac left, it was decided to have a rethink allowing new, younger blood to reduce the average age of the team, making it more dynamic and mobile.

I think it has been an outstanding success in many ways. Just look at how many young players have stepped up to the mark and excelled beyond all reasonable expectations.

When the Man U era of Beckham, Scholes, Giggs et al started showing signs of ageing they went through a couple of seasons of pain, allowing Chelsea to come to the fore. Astute buying of the right younger players has seen them start to return to the levels they want to be.

No we don't have their clout in attracting the highest levels of player, but that doesn't mean we can't use the same model. If it takes two or three seasons for it to start to come right, then it's worth it - as long as it starts to pay off.

Let's face it, Mac only played the younger lads when forced into it. If he had had the courage to introduce them two years earlier, how much further down the line would we be now?

We are now building a team for the future, one that will hopefully enjoy continuing success, not the one-off scenario that Maclaren envisaged as his swansong.

Four seasons ago Everton were in serious danger of relegation for much of the season. But they stuck to the task and have emerged as (the only) real contenders with a chance to break into the big four.

We all know the areas that need to be strengthened during the summer, but don't forget that all teams need time to gel. Gareth Southgate has had a steep learning curve during the last two seasons, but he is starting to come out the other side now, and let's face it, he has kept us in the Premiership when other teams with more-experienced managers have failed.

I'm getting no younger (not quite bus-pass yet) and I've enjoyed the Carling and Uefa runs, but I want more. At the same time I don't want one-offs, I want regular glory.

Get the right signings in the summer and the chance for our current crop to spent some time together and watch out Premiership next season. (I've got to go now, matron says it's time for my medication)

Posted by: Aberdeen Brian  | April 3, 2008 2:29 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

I thought the debate over Mac and Baldrick were long gone.

How will history remember him? He has a Cup and two seasons in Europe including a final. Makes him pretty succesful.

He inherited an ageing squad with the acadamy starting to develop, he left an even more ageing squad with academy kids in the team and squad.

Truth is there were few players he brought in who improved and/or brought a profit on selling on.

Truth is his time had come to go, there was a rebuilding task to be done to replace an expensive ageing squad.

His negative approach is one thing that will remain with us, 2-0 up in a relegation match at West Brom when the Baggies have a player sent off - lets go for the throat? No, take off a striker and play 4-5-1 allowing the Baggies to throw a big centre half into the box and end up with 25 mins of pinball in our box.

Another is how poor he was at times tactically. We all remember those glorious European nights but going 3-0 down and winning 4-3 is not from the Fergie book of cunning plans, to do it twice beggars belief.

Not as bad as going to Arsenal with Veruka and Yak those well known workaholics as a front two, Rocky on the left (notionally) of a midfield four leaving a debutant Tayls to deal with Llundberg, Pires, Henry or whoever else to decide to wander over all on his lonesome.

His tinkering will also live on in my memory. In one match Nemeth went right side , striker, left side and shower in 30 mins.

But time moves on. I always stated he was a number two and that I would like to see him operate without Sven in case they brought out the worst in each other. England continued to be shocking and Citeh improved.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | April 3, 2008 2:42 PM

dave wrote...

How much did steve mclaren spend in his tenure at the boro??

Posted by: dave  | April 3, 2008 2:51 PM

David Morrison wrote...

The man shouldnt even be reported on. He strangled our club and was here for his own needs. He thought after being sacked by England he could have waltzed into any job he wanted, ha ha no such luck mate.

So here we are clammering for work and not a single taker so he is going over his achievements to bolster a flaging reputation.

Yes, we won the cup but so what? Iit merely papered over the cracks in the league and the discontent that was brewing. It was great and it will live on in the memory but its in the past.

Europe, we were so lucky its unbelievable, we had four strikers on and that was because the crowd wanted it to happen, he had no choice.

People who slate Gibbo for what hes done and I will say this, look at how he saved the club when McClaren was in charge. I it wasnt for gibbo we would be playing leeds in league one! Dressing room unrest, sex scandal and McClaren couldnt cope. Gibbo and Southgate sorted it out and got into the players and the rest is history...

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | April 3, 2008 3:35 PM

jiffy wrote...

McClaren certainly did drive the fans away with his negative approach - that can't be ignored. Perhaps that is also how he acheived what he did achieve.
I
recall one saturday evening home game against Portsmouth about 5 or 6 games into a season with strikers Viduka, Hasselbaink, Job, Nemeth, Maccarone on the books and we played 1 man up front. Against Portsmouth? That was just about the final straw for me.

The last person i recall driving fans away from the club in droves by the negativeness of his playing approach was Jack Charlton and he was also regarded as the manager who came nearest to success before Maclaren.

Maybe its what is needed to survive in the top flight. A Pyrrhic victory if I ever heard one.

Posted by: jiffy  | April 3, 2008 3:50 PM

BLT wrote...

At risk of being shot down, I supported McClaren to the end because he doing what he was employed to do - repair the damage Robbo left, win something, get us into Europe.

I didn't care his PR was poor. I don't want a chummy wisecracking failure in charge. I'm not bothered if he wound people up. Southgate winds people up and hes honest and articulate. You can't win with Boro fans.

I don't buy the boring football line. It was no differnt under Venables and he is lauded. It has been no differentunder Southagte most of the time and he has a fan club.

For a club our size (Bolton etc) have to play it tight, defend in most games, hope to nick one, frustrate teams. That's why 12 teams do it. They dont WANT To be boring.

People need to wise up. I am happy just to stay up. That IS success for us. If we can grind out a cup win I won't be complaining that if was boring or flukey, I will be getting drunk in celebration.

Posted by: BLT  | April 3, 2008 3:52 PM

John Donovan wrote...

He will always have his critics, nonetheless for what he helped my club achieve, i will be forever grateful.

Posted by: John Donovan  | April 3, 2008 3:57 PM

dave wrote...

John Donovan, would you have him back over Southgate if there was the opportunity? How I miss the UEFA cup times in Europe.

Posted by: dave  | April 3, 2008 5:09 PM

redbookthrower wrote...

John Donovan

I agree, mate, but I also remember all the dreadful performances that went with it. Villa 0-4. Can I have my red book back now?

Posted by: redbookthrower  | April 3, 2008 5:15 PM

Ste Mac wrote...

BLT said:

"I didn't care his PR was poor. I don't want a chummy wisecracking failure in charge. I'm not bothered if he wound people up."

This is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard from a Boro fan, and I have heard plenty of stupid things.

With MacNegative the problem was not bad PR. He actually thought that was one of his strong points with his media training, new teeth, cultivating tame journo friends and a psychologist guru framing what he said to the press.

The problem was that almost every time he opened his mouth in public he insulted the fans' intelligence.

Like you I accept sometimes we need to grind out results but I won't accept being told that a crap game was 'magnificent' or that after we got battered and surrendered in an embarrasing spineless mess that "we showed character" and "we should have won."

I won't accept a manger who tells the fans that pay his wages they need to be "educated," that slags ST holders who don't turn out to see cup games that are charged at full price but feature a half-price team, that rests players in a key UEFA Cup game even though 3000 fans have paid a fortune to travel to watch the game, that lied through he teeth about the Leeds job, shrugged off the anger at going for the Newcastle job.

I won't accept that this bloke shafted Juninho, smeared him the press and shoved him out the back door.

And I won't accept that he was not string enough and focussed enough to insist that the FA kept their gobs shut over the England job until after Eindhoven. He was so concerned with his own ego and ambition and so chuffed with himself that he allowed that announcement to disrupt our preparations for the biggest game in our history.

That's not "bad PR" it is treating Boro and the fans with systematic contempt. I will never forgive him for that

Posted by: Ste Mac  | April 3, 2008 10:42 PM

Richard wrote...

There's a phenomenon manifests itself from time to time. I find it quite wearisome.

It's gratuitously "knock the manager".

Once you are appointed "The Manager" it seems that the title may as well be "The Target". Because the amount of verbal bile that gets chucked in the manager's direction is in most cases, quite disproportionate to any that may be justified.

Of course, there are exceptions! Hitler was one! Joe McCarthy was another!

But I have to say that the sheer vitriolic abuse that I have read in blogs, newspapers and message boards about Steve McClaren - and Gareth Southgate for that matter - leaves me wondering what on Earth these guys have done so wrong to Middlesbrough Football Club to warrant such attacks.

I realise that I'm swimming against a tide of opinion on this blog should I try to defend any aspect of Steve McClaren's tenure in charge of Boro. But I don’t care!

It seems to me that what we didn’t like about McClaren was, essentially, McClaren himself - his style – and how that translated onto the football field!

Many thought that he was a self-confessed ambitious self-seeker who it appeared to many, put himself before the club, used the club as a means to his own ends, rather than being a servant of the club.

And we didn't like that, did we chaps?

However, it seems to me that his adopted style of play and team tactics in a league where money talks, were designed to achieve, on balance, more success than failure with the resources at his disposal.

Within the constraints of the resources at his disposal, this meant, on balance, it wasn't as gung-ho exciting as most would have preferred it to be. In fact, at times it was, from a spectating perspective, visually boring, negative and defensive. It also backfired at times. But then, what club doesn’t have the occasional misfire?

However, looking at the bigger picture, it was generally successful, in that it brought the club easily it's most productive period in its long history and its greatest successes since moving to the Riverside - and isn't that what the manager's prime remit was?

And, for the most part, we liked the results (apart from the watershed Villa 0-4 thrashing!). Didn’t we chaps? We were all too ready to bask in the glory of what the team – our team – achieved. Our little town in Europe was finally on the map. Oh, the success was nothing to do with McClaren. Of course it wasn’t! It was Steve Gibson! Steve, good old Steve did it all - Gibson that is!

The other one – that smarmy useless piece of self-serving detritus that pretended to be a eeuch! spit! – Manager - was only a mouth piece for the “real” Steve – the one with the money – who incidentally brought him here, appointed him as manager, and was happy enough also to bask in the glory of what the club was achieving despite the presence of the “other” Steve he brought in, and according to many fans, as a mistake!

But Steve – the one with the money – never makes any mistakes! Oops! Yes he does! He’s now appointed Gareth Southgate! Oh! Bloody hell! Another mistake! What do we have to do around here to get people to do it properly - our way? Bring in Martin O’Neill! Bring in Martin Jol!

I know! I’ve got it!

Bring in Steve Martin! Perfect credentials! We might as well, for heaven’s sake. Everyone else we bring in is a joker, are they not?

Well, frankly, they’re NOT!

I was never a McClaren knocker – just as I am not a team “booer” - and I'm not about to start to be a McClaren knocker now. I won't surf on the crest of any Tsunami that seeks to wash away the best memories that I've ever had as a club football supporter.

And just because I don't like the man's style, his haircut, his smarmy TV presence, his new teeth, his almost patronising and dull responses to inane interview questioning by interviewers who are afraid to make him work at providing meaningful answers in real English instead of the arcane, monotonic, cliched "football-ese" that he and others regurgitate as stock responses to stock questions, none of these are significant enough reasons for viewing Steve McClaren's "reign" as Manager of MFC as anything other than a success.

Success that gave me, personally, great memories. And I have the DVDs to remind me!

The disgraceful thing for me is that I see no difference between the treatment of Gareth Southgate by some sections of the Boro support and the disdainful treatment of Steve McClaren!

The common denominator here is - they're both "The Manager" and therefore "The Target" for anyone who seemingly wants to strike out at somebody in authority.

We all have our own different styles and our own way of doing things. I hope that Gareth Southgate goes on to achieve with Boro, the same degree of success that Boro had under Steve McClaren.

It’ll say a lot about their character. Because they will have done so in spite of such fans. Not because of the fans’ support! It does seem a bit perverse that in achieving success, managers seem to have to run the gauntlet of the club’s fans' abuse.

Moving on to the England dimension: It’s also my belief that McClaren’s main downfall was to seek and take the position of national team coach and inherit an England squad, pulled from a Premier League that has been designed with club focus only and to make money.

That system has rendered itself incapable of producing the necessary critical mass of sufficiently excellent English players required to populate a highly competitive national squad.

It’s not rocket science! And even if it was, there’s adequate precedent for comparison and warning just over the border where Rangers and Celtic contrived, with the willing assistance of a Glasgow-centric media to do irreparable damage to the Scottish national team!

And, over time, almost terminal damage to the SPL which is itself a shadow of what it used to be with attendances at some matches now measured in hundreds – yes hundreds! But the TV money keeps it afloat – just! Apart from Rangers and Celtic whose owners do rather well! All the warning signs are there for the English Premier League.

So, McClaren was therefore, in essence, and in my view, “hung by his own petard”- a victim of his own personal ambition. Every England manager since Alf Ramsey has been a failure! So why single Steve McClaren out for further abuse! That he would fail was inevitable – because the system’s wrong!

The national dimension of the beautiful game in England has been in decline since the formation of the Premiership, 62% of which is now constituted by foreign nationality players. We’ve significantly downsized the pool size chaps!

For the good times he and his Boro squad gave me, I hope that McClaren goes on to achieve more success in his career - as long as it's not at Boro's expense.

And I don’t have to listen to his interviews. I can switch them off!

Posted by: Richard  | April 4, 2008 1:18 AM

Walmsleys wrote...

I agree with most of what you say Richard, although the vision of someone being "hung by his own petard" is taking me some time to get my head round! It must be a bit like being blown up by your own rope!

Posted by: Walmsleys  | April 4, 2008 8:43 AM

Neil M wrote...

Richard, a passionate and long winded defence but a flawed one too.

You can say what you want about Mac's success (and I enjoyed every minute of Cardiff and Europe as much as anyone) but the bottom line is that for all that he lost 8000 fans in five years and left the relationship between club and fans deeply dysfunctional.

Yes, every boss at every club comes in from some habitual and short sighted stick from some sections of the crowd and it is a depressing cycle.

But for Mac to be pretty much despised by the majority (and that seems to include players and the chairman too judging by his public pronouncements)and to be routinely booed and to be blamed by thousands of ST who walked away from the club WHILE DELIVERING UNPRECEDENTED SUCCESS is some achievement.

I can't think of anywhere that has happened before. Fans angry at a boring manager who doesnt deliver yes, but one who does? Fans ready to walk away from their club when they are doing thinsg they had never previously dreamed of? That takes some doing.

Posted by: Neil M  | April 4, 2008 9:02 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

I think Boro fans can accept that they’re not going to win the league or in all likelihood qualify for the Champions League - but what they won’t accept is a negative style of football week in and week out that leaves us every year just above relegation.

McClaren built a team that was designed to stifle the opposition and rely on proven strikers to grab a goal or two. Southgate has tried to introduce a more fluid attacking style but has so far failed to find the magic formula or convince the fans that it’s about to happen.

I think what they both have in common is that they give the appearance of being a number two and not the leader that makes a team perform for them.

I think when Boro succeeded under McClaren it was by the sheer will power of some senior players who knew what it took to win on the big stage but were never up for it for less important games.

Whereas the inexperienced Southgate has a less experienced team that seems to lack leadership on and off the pitch and needs guidance and belief so that they can win the tough games.

So, although Richard may not like it when the manager is attacked, that is unfortunately what he’s there for – to be the leader and to take responsibility for the team that goes out on the pitch.

You can’t be a leader if you’re weak or don’t command respect from those who follow you – it’s not an easy job and if you look at the most successful leaders they’re usually very strong personalities who know what they are doing.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | April 4, 2008 9:58 AM

slugger wrote...

Steve Mcclaren arrived with near full riverside crowds - he left with the ground half empty. This in my mind is mcclarens legacy. I will never forget my trips to cardiff and eindoven - but am of the firm belief that it was down to the fans, chairman and the players - eg. the Gate.

Mcclaren pushed me within an inch of jacking in my season ticket and walking away from my beloved boro - this for me is absolutely unforgivable.

It could be worse though ... I know of some one who had followed the boro and england for years. Mclaren made him stop watching the boro - so he concentrated on watching england more - then he went and got the england job!

Posted by: slugger  | April 4, 2008 10:41 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Great times in the Carling Cup and in Europe and finishing 7th 2004-5 season to return to Europe and to the final.

The players Maclaren had in the squad: Viduka, Hasslebaink, Yakubu, Maccarrone, Job ,Nemeth, Zenden, Juninho , Mendietta and Downing

Mac lost the England job because Gerrard missed a lot of chances and Rooney fouled/didnt foul a croatian player Inside/outside the box [the ref gave a penalty anyway!

Previous to that he had brought Heskey in to great affect to partner Owen and balanced the Midfeild with Barry.
Now we hve Capello playing 4-2-3-1 and France making us pay while the Italian waves his hands around.

If we want to push up the league next season we should not rely on Mido's fitness or Dong Gook remembering who he is or that Garry O'neil starts scoring like Gerrard.

We need to buy a right winger who knows were the goal is and another quality striker to get the squad capable of playing more than one hour and be able to handle injuries.

Instead of spending £5mil on O'Neil [ who has worked his socks off by the way and been one of our most consistent players] why didnt we train Cattermole to step up to that role? Hell he could even be better and more like Gerrard.

Can we not shape our youth to our advantage? Apart from Downing and Mendietta who is not allowed to play we seem to have a ton of midfeilders who do the same job!

Maybe Tuncay and Alliadierre are attacking midfeilders but have had to play up front as we have no strike force.
I think we should buy another striker - already proven in the prem if possible!

And move Alliadierr or Tuncay out to the right to balance Downing and give us a half decent attack.

I AM EXPECTING BIG THINGS IN THE SUMMER OTHERWISE WE WILL STRUGGLE NEXT SEASON

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | April 4, 2008 11:13 AM

tonyblack wrote...

It cannot be denied that under McClaren we had our most successful spell ever and that we had some truly incredible European nights that probably won't ever be bettered.

But he was without doubt his own worst enemy though and still hasn't learned.

He's still self serving and is only interested in himself and climbing the greasy poll. When he was here he couldn't wait to go to " bigger " clubs and tried his best to do so and yet now he talks about his five year plan and thanks to the chairman for allowing him to go the course and implement it blah, blah blah. Typical two faced McClaren.

He was tactically clueless which could be seen endless times including in his gung ho tactics in the UEFA Cup Final, his post match interviews were woeful in the extreme where he was just plain dishonest and he was too negative against clubs we should have had a right go at.

He rightfully got the boot from the England job and I just can't help but smile when I think of a certain Italian who's had the last laugh and has gone on to be Siena's top goal scorer for the second year runnning whilst his nemesis is down the job centre and having Spanish lessons with Mendieta.

I for one though will always politely applaud him when he's at the Riverside because of the things he did, which have to be rightfully acknowledge as being great.

Whether that was more down to the players than down to him can be debated, but he was at the helm and so the credit is rightfully his.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | April 4, 2008 11:14 AM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

The situation regarding feelings towards McClaren is not black and white (if you will excuse the “black and white”…) as to decide, was he good for Boro or not?

I agree with John Donovan that we Boro fans do have a lot to thank him for, right until his very last game in charge.

However, how many Boro fans were sorry to see him leave? 5%? 10% max? And therein lies a bizarre contradiction

How many other managers have left a club, on the crest his managerial wave, and left with a “good riddance” atmosphere hanging in the air?

I too had fantastic days at the Millenium and at Eindhoven, and I will be forever thankful for those momentous occasions, to the chairman, to the manager and to the players. Days I will never forget, but do I rate McClaren as a good manager? No, quite simply.

How many times during his tenure, did I hear Bernie say “square pegs, round holes..?”. How many “sit back and defend games” did we endure?

Frustrated, bemused, unsure….and that was just his players. And it seems his man management skills are as poor as his media skills, given the dressing room unrest at Boro, and the ridiculous decision to drop David Beckham, which was nothing to do with football.

On the positive side, I have seen more impressive performances from Boro since Christmas than in all McClaren’s seasons combined. The negative slant on that statement, is that we have seen some mind-numbingly awful performances since Christmas too.

Two things that Gate has to work on, is to turn those good performances into victories, and eradicate the extremely poor performances. We may have some off days yes, but please, nothing on the minus scale as the Cardiff game.

For as long as I can remember as a Boro fan, there has never been any correlation between Consistency and Middlesbrough FC.

If we can play well at Villa, Arsenal and Chelsea then we can play well anywhere, including the Riverside, on a consistent basis, which sooner than later will deliver more victories than defeats.

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | April 4, 2008 12:03 PM

Richard wrote...

Neil M:

Neil,

Long-winded is one way to describe the post, I agree! But everything’s relative. And I’m sure had it not been something that you are so opposed to, it wouldn’t have attracted such a description.

I’d like to address your “flawed” contention however.

Many people walk away from matchday attendance for many different reasons.

Have they flooded back now that your claimed cause of their exodus has also gone? No they haven't! And why? Because McClaren wasn't the only - or even the main reason for their departure!

He was probably a part of it, I’ll concede that, but as so often is the case with football, he, the manager, has been used as a convenient scapegoat and a focus for the discontent!

Perhaps you’d like to blame the reported reduction in attendances at Bolton and Blackburn and a host of other Premier League clubs on McClaren as well?

Many left, as I may do, because of their disillusionment with the Premier League, the unaffordable ticket prices, the overpaid primadonna's and their agents with their mercenary attitudes, the stranglehold of media, the inability of officialdom to keep pace with game and ensure fair play and correct and consistent refereeing decisions, the ineptitude of the FA, the globalization and proposals like Gam£39, the availability of televised matches - and a host of other reasons!

People have left because it’s less and less a game of the people any more. Not only because they didn’t like Steve McClaren or his methods!

Some come back after a while following promotion, a move to a new stadium, some heavy PR effort during the close season, a new “spectacular” acquisition, etc. However, they are also the people who readily up and leave again, almost as quickly as they came.

Migration away and attendance flux is not a new phenomenon in the game and it’s certainly not due to any one individual.

Have a look at the following website stats:

http://www.s201259309.websitehome.co.uk/dsc044790255/bs2007/data/attend08.htm

You'll find plenty of evidence here of the phenomenon I'm referring. In fact, the Boro stats would more than suggest that the rate of exodus was actually retarded during the McClaren era!! That is, people stopped leaving – although the exodus has picked up again a bit since! It was evident during Robson’s reign as well and throughout history.

Steve McClaren was the focus of people's discontent because they need to focus somewhere. He was NOT the architect, nor was he the sole reason for discontent that people felt – and continue to feel, by the way!

People STILL feel discontent because of things much more fundamental than the persona of the manager in charge. There’s disillusionment with the game in general, for the reasons I’ve given. Most people to whom I’ve spoken, don’t, in private, single out an individual, but they complain about the state of the game generally and all of the things I’ve mentioned.

But it’s easier to blame one person for all the ills in the game and people tend to do so. And then others jump on the bandwagon – or “ride the Tsunami” as pictured earlier.

No, he wasn't liked, but he brought results. The trouble is, people want everything! But like I've posted in other blogs, when you're a relatively small club, a small player in an ever-increasing system dominated by a few, you can't expect everything!

So what do supporters really want? Which would you prefer. Club success with an unattractive but effective manager or club mediocrity or obscurity with a “Terry Wogan” at the helm?

Southgate is a different person from McClaren yet he's the subject of scorn also. I wonder what poor Gareth has in store for him when he fails to win anything? I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes, if McClaren’s treatment was anything to go by. HE was in charge when we won stuff!

My reasoning isn’t flawed Neil. But some attitudes, perspectives and expectations could do with recalibrating! I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

I’ll therefore stick by every word I wrote!......except one………and on that note,

for Walmsleys:

I’m sure you realize that I didn’t compose the saying – I merely quoted it. My dictionary actually uses a different verb – “hoist” instead of “hung”. I take your point though! I’m sure the historical derivation would be as informative as your post, if not perhaps as amusing!

Posted by: Richard  | April 4, 2008 12:17 PM

Jaguar Boy wrote...

It seems we have supporters on here with different approaches to how they view football, which automatically dictate their views of Mclaren.

Personally I see Premiership football as a spectator sport, and take more pleasure from watching the games while they are being played.

Other fans seem to prefer seeing the results on TV or the internet and simply revelling in the scores, and the resultant league position which bestows bragging rights and a sense of pride when talking football with one's fellow man.

Should you fall into the former category, your views on McClaren's negative results based football, and the 'magnificent' PR drivel that followed will have grinded on you, as they did me, leaving you questioning his tactics and decision making ability, (play Mendieta in the CENTRE while he's still young for gods sake!) and leaving you feeling that results when they came (the 4-3 European victories in particular) were more by accident than design, an abandonment of the usual failing tactics in last minute desperation - luck that couldn't hold into the UEFA final.

Should you fall into the latter camp, you will no doubt appreciate the bald figures of league and cup run position and dismiss the actual matches played - the suffering of those 25-30,000 fans who payed their hard earned cash to view the matches (and subsequently funded the wages of the team you support) and the insult to their intelligence that was the post match interview was an acceptable casualty in the battle for results as you sat back on your sofa reading teletext and feeling smug that the Boro had managed another 0-0 draw and were in 11th position in the league.

To sum up, would you rather see the entire Man U team in Boro shirts and actually watch some of the most exciting flowing attacking football you've ever seen on a weekly basis, or would you rather hear that the Chelsea squad were now in Boro shirts and see on the news that they had won another game 1-0?

Safe, dull, predictable, is something I'd look for in a photocopier, but not in something that is classed as the billion dollar zenith of entertainment globally.

I would use the phrase 'the modern dichotomy of results versus entertainment' but I'll leave such flowery prose to AV.

Posted by: Jaguar Boy  | April 4, 2008 1:12 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

RE. Richard's post,

Go for it Dicky! many Boro fans are not objective enough and cant see the full picture. As for anyone who complains about the length of your posts, well we are not supporting United on here as every week the posts would be short - 'Ronaldo shoots, he scores' where superpower united win again and again and again.

I hope we can change that run for them on Sunday but we will not be able to stop the Football clubs rich getting richer.
But lets hope their minds are on the champagne s league and Ronaldo is rested for a boring game against the Boro.
Boro to win 2-1

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | April 4, 2008 1:20 PM

Abu Dhabi Cliff wrote...

Change of topic I know, but just heard that Liverpool are going to appeal against the extra two match ban for Maschareno. So the burning question is.... will they extend the ban for one more game because this is a totally frivolous appeal?? Don`t hold your breath I`m afraid.

Knowing the bigs boy rule, it will probably be reduced.

What do you think AV?

**AV writes: I would be very surprised if it was extended. It is not as if his appeal is frivolous or anything.

Posted by: Abu Dhabi Cliff  | April 4, 2008 1:48 PM

Walmsleys wrote...

As a slight aside:

Would you rather Boro won 1-0 on a Riverside Saturday afternoon with a lucky rebound off Lee Catermole's boot in the last 5 minutes of a dire game against Bolton, or that we drew 4-4 with Portsmouth after an end to end eight goal thriller?

Tough call isn't it? If we'd been 0-4 down and clawed our way back to 4-4 I'd probably go for the draw but generally, give me 1-0 and three points every time.

Posted by: Walmsleys  | April 4, 2008 2:09 PM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

Forget about Steve McClaren - he is history, and will remain forever in the annals of time.

We will start moaning about Malcolm Allison next.....

Current history is being made with the Southgate regime, so let us hope it eventually improves everyones mood, starting with a something from Sunday.

My bi-annual stand off with the other half. She has had a season ticket at OT for 25 years.

I hope she is miserable next week !!

Come on Boro....

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | April 4, 2008 4:46 PM

steve h wrote...

"with England he did as well as could be expected"

I think you've got that bit wrong. For me, it's not too much to expect England to avoid defeat at home to Croatia and qualify for the finals. Especially as we reached the last 8 in all three of Sven's campaigns.

Posted by: steve h  | April 4, 2008 5:43 PM

eskvalleyred wrote...

I see some calls in this thread for a right winger.

Jermaine Pennant anyone!!

Posted by: eskvalleyred  | April 5, 2008 5:28 AM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

Great posts Richard, and I agree with every word.

I will in no way attempt to extend your theories and thoughts on McClaren, or the (continuing) demise of Middlesbrough Football Club and the rest of the "also rans" of the Premier League.

I will however say that I feel it was time for him to move on, it was becoming obvious that he had lost the fans, maybe lost some of the dressing room if what we "heard" on the streets was to be believed. The biggest reason for him departing was the fact that MFC was no longer big enough for him, or his ego.

But what amazed me is how MFC and Steve Gibson failed to take the club forward after Eindhoven and McClaren's exit. That's the crucial piece that I still to this day cannot come to terms with.

Instead I have endured two more seasons of absolute dross under the current regime, another rooky manager, falling gates, disenfranchised fans, that has led me to think long and hard about my position as a long serving season ticket holder.

I have lost faith in the club I have supported since I saw my first game against Swansea Town in 1960.

I won't be at the game tomorrow, and do you know why ? I simply can't be bothered, the weather is going to be horrible, it's live on Sky, but worse, I've just lost interest in Boro.

I can't even bring myself to read, listen or watch anything to do with Boro, and particularly this weekend and the FA Cup Semi Finals.

I'm sorry to say but my get up and go where Boro are concerned, has got up and gone.

MFC have a lot to do to convince me that they are worth my support, never mind my hard earned cash next season.

**AV writes: I think that attitude is wider spread than many think post Cardiff and realising it, tackling it and transforming it is the biggest challenge the club face.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | April 5, 2008 2:49 PM

coggins wrote...

Maclaren is a proven (i.e. successful) top flight manager who brought a period of unrivalled glory to a hitherto unachieving middling club and surely for any would-be employer that is more significant than having a big ego (or a bigger ego than the chairman).

I would expect him to be back in the prem at some point - even if he has to start in the Championship at somewhere like Coventry.

As for the accusation of him having contempt for the supporters, at least that would make a refreshing change from typical whinging Boro fans having a pretty constant downer on at least one aspect of the club.

Posted by: coggins  | April 5, 2008 3:55 PM

Adam Newton wrote...

I wish "Mike Baldwin" would shut up and disappear. I don't like him and I never did.

Posted by: Adam Newton  | April 5, 2008 5:10 PM

F T Maxwell wrote...

I would like to take this opportunity to sincerely apologise to Anthony and the Boro fans for writing rubbish on this blog.

A few weeks ago I stated on this blog that Sunderland would go above Boro when we stuff you in a few weeks time.

I realise now that this was an extremely foolish remark as when we beat the scum and then you lot, we will probably go 10 points clear of you and we will be back in our rightful place as the top dogs of the region.

Posted by: F T Maxwell  | April 5, 2008 5:16 PM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

Vic,

I think it's less of an attitude, more a sense of loss.

And to be fair the Cardiff game was but the proverbial straw on the camels back, after at least two years of abject failure by MFC to impress their most prized of assets (the fans) both on and off the park.

I have ridden the roller coasters of every decade since the 60's, ranging from the depths of despair to the pinnacles of ecstacy, and overall I've loved every minute of being a Boro fan....until now!

You are right, MFC have a massive task on their hands to get "the missing" back on side.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | April 6, 2008 10:33 AM

John Powls wrote...

eskvalleyred

Pennant? Ye'r'jokin'aren'ya?

Aren't things bad enough anyway? Did you see his performance yesterday when he got the opportunity to put on a show. No thanks.

In any event, the need is greater for a right-sided creative central midfielder.

Posted by: John Powls  | April 6, 2008 12:01 PM

Terry Simpson wrote...

We would of easily beat Man Utd if Downing could of been bothered. I am sick of watching him amble through games in a carefree care care less manner.

**AV writes: Are you for real?

Posted by: Terry Simpson  | April 6, 2008 4:13 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

The sort of performance and (almost) result that this blog derived its name from.

OK - I now have the evidence that Alves is a goalscorer. Whatever 'it' is, he's got it. let's hope he can bag a few more before the end of the season and set himself up for next.

Aliadiere's contribution to Alves' goals was excellent and he ran the channels well. But he also proved that whatever 'it' is, he hasn't got it as a goalscorer.

He's always going to struggle to get into double figures for a season - more what I'd expect from an attacking midfielder than a striker.

Given that Tuncay is much the same I still think we're going to need to buy again in the Summer.

The Boat put in another shift and broke up their fluency, particularly in the second half.

Not sure why Arca was back in, in preference to, say, Shawky - unless the Egyptian was injured.

He was back to his old tippy-tappy tricks again and dropped our defenders in it more than once. The odd decent pass - and that's all there was - isn't worth the liability.

If we can get money from the Mackems, snatch their hands off.I certainly think that, whatever, he shouldn't play at The Stadium of S***e.

Stewie had a good 'un again, not just skinning Brown and putting in crosses but tackling and harrying too.

I'd still like to see him inside one in the old Bolo role with Johnno outside him before the season ends.

Many other good points one could mention but the overall attitude of never say die and getting on and staying on the front foot for as much as was possible against a side like ManUre was the best thing.

Well done to all for that and for the quality of most of our play.

Nice to see players and Gate standing up to and getting in the face of their opponents.

I like what I see of Pogo as Captain - he doesn't seem phased by it like some have. Luke Young did well too but could have gone for the first half scythe on Evra and it was just as well he missed with the lunge at Ronaldo in the second.

Shame that O'Neil will miss the games against Notlob and The Mackems. He took the yellow for the team in halting a Ronaldo surge. Between him and Young they ensured that the Portuguese faded from the game after Tayls had forced him to shift wings.

I thought O'Neil also showed early flashes of what he could do in a more central role in the early phases of play today. Classy touches too from The Redcar Rock, Tuncay in his cameo at the end and from Tayls - although he showed he is still ring rusty from his lay off for their second.

I hope their first finally puts the last nail in zonal marking.

The Boat is also on 9 cards now too so he'll have to watch himself against Spurs.

We could do with him against Notlob in the game that should sort our safety at long last.

What I hope for most of all is that this isn't yet another 'typical Boro' and that Phil and I see another performance and result at Spurs next week.

Posted by: John Powls  | April 6, 2008 7:50 PM

stockton red wrote...

Neil(baku) I was quite sad to read your posts .I have been going for not quite as long as you but I do understand your frustration.

I think you are wrong to describe the whole season as absolute dross. Arsenal Brum, the two derbies, Liverpool were all decent games.

Where I agree is that the last 6 performances at home 4 league and 2 cup have been terrible adverts for the game, save for the opening 20 against Wigan, prior to todays encounter which was a terrific match- end to end that could have gone either way.

Alves took 2 quality goals. Today restored my faith to a degree and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was glad I was there.

If ultimately you walk away then I absolutely respect your right to do this.I cant help but feel that this will be just another little victory for Sky and their Big 4 love in. It is their wish for these clubs to permanently dominate so they crush the life, the hope of everybody elses fans.

Take a deep breath and stand strong.We are Boro and we are proud of it.

Posted by: stockton red  | April 6, 2008 9:27 PM

BoroPhil wrote...

I hope John Powls' appearance in the Observer doesn't give the impression that all Boro fans are as dismissive of Arca and Rochemback's (the latter of which it looks like we will be losing) talents as himself.

Calling them the Tippy-Tappy twins totally understates their significant contributions. Arca did well yesterday, not back to his best, but the break has obviously done him good.

Great performance all round, the whole midfield and attack did very well, only a couple of lapses at the back let us down, but a point was a fair result.

Posted by: BoroPhil  | April 7, 2008 9:39 AM

Benny Brown wrote...

After Boro.s performances against Arsenal and Manchester United it is obvious even to the uninitiated that Gareth's style of football is more attractive and and will eventually prove more successful than anything Mac could achieve with his total negative approach to football.

I place Mac in the same category for putting people off a particular sport that another Mac achieved in relation to tennis, John McEnroe put thousands off tennis with his antics as Mac did with his tactics on football.

If he ever works again as a top manager I for one will be greatly surprised. Let us now bury Mac in the annals of time as the man is an insignificant persona who is not worth talking about.

Posted by: Benny Brown  | April 9, 2008 10:51 AM

Walmsleys wrote...

John McEnroe put thousands off tennis?

Surely the reverse is true!

The tennis authorities would have been mortified if he hadn't continued having a tantrum every now and then - he put bums on seats - not something you could accuse McClaren of doing!

Posted by: Walmsleys  | April 9, 2008 11:38 AM

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