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Time To Channel The Anger.

Posted by on March 12, 2008 9:57 AM | 

RIGHT, IT'S time to channel that anger.

Yes, many are still seething, smarting and seeking a way to inflict some kind of painful revenge on the players. We have written screeds of vitriol on the message boards, ranted on the Legends and kicked the cat. We have sworn down dead that we will nor renew if a penny of it goes into the prima donnas' pockets and angrily picked fights with the lily-livered fans who are not as outwardly hostile to the spineless side who surrendered so spectacularly and cost us our best ever chance of glory. And we have scratched out the Gazette predictor in a fit of poison penned pique and got Boro relegated by miles.

Now it is time to move on. We must put the recriminations on the back burner. There are games to be played - MASSIVE ones. There are precious points be secured and we need at least seven and possibly nine from the remaining 30 to guarantee top flight safety. It may make us feel better but there is no advantage to be gained from vilifying, crucifying or heaping public dersion on the players that we now need to get ten big performances out of.

Not that we should just forgive and forget the disaster of Sunday in that trite touchy-feely "its only a game" way that those who are not engulfed by the great passion seem to think is good advice. In fact it will be more like a 'take this pain and push it deep, deep deep into the padlocked box marked 'Typical Boro' in collective psyche to come back and damage us years down the line in a emotionally dysfunctional timebomb' exercise. But that's what we need now.

We need to put aside our own emotional and psychological need to lash out, or for an apology and instead think about the bigger picture that is framed by the compelling need to now scrap our way to survival by all means neccessary. And if we are to do that we must do it with the current players. You might have your own scapegoat-in-chief for Sunday, the under-performers, faint-hearts and bottle jobs you want out the door the second the season ends - but right now they are the very players who we are relying on to keep us up. That means they need support. We need to channel the anger into demanding performances in a positive way that gets results.

A self-destructive gauntlet of hate from the Boro crowd in the six pointer relegation rumble with Derby may make some feel better but it won't help in the long run if we punish the players now but undermine performances and Boro go down (and that certainly won't punish the players because they will be on the phone to their agents to find a new club before we even get away through the underpass.) It is fortunate that Boro are away tonight and on Saturday and there is time for the anger to subside and reality to reform from the debris of our dreams.

The manager and chairman need to channel their anger too. They are closer than us to the players and will be just as frustrated - if not more - by the historic missed opportunity. They too will have their marked men who will play the price in the summer but for now they must lift, motivate, encourage and demand a response. Gareth Southgate fronted up to the press and took responsibility for the defeat. He took the full brunt of the backlash. That won't be because he doesn't think that the the players deserve both barrells - he was seething too.

And the players too. They must channel their anger. They must take the humiliation of the defeat, the scathing reviews in the press and from the Match of the Day pundits and the heart felt booing from the Riverside crowd and must be encouraged to take it out on the opposition.
They need to restore their own professional pride and takes some swift steps to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of the supporters with a string of stirring displays. They owe us. They owe the supporters, they owe Steve Gibson, and especially - after he shielded them from the mob - they owe the manager. It is time for them to stump up.


Comments (51)

mickymac wrote...

At this moment I am indifferent to the players for all of the above reasons.

I feel for Gibbo and the fans,the players are cushioned by their wealth and future employment.With the exception of one or two players the rest have no more feelings for the club than the other 91 in the leauge.

Fans must be the most abused customers in the country. I use the word customer because we are told football is a "business" now .

I can't even be bothered finishing this,sorry.

Posted by: mickymac  | March 12, 2008 12:58 PM

Richard wrote...

AV:

The responses you may get to this latest blog will be interesting.

Mickeymac’s for me, rather sets the tone.

Mickey has highlighted (perhaps “exemplified” is a better word) the vulnerability of the state of the modern Premier League and its relationship – or lack of it - with fans.

Fans whose loyalties to their local clubs have been tested and strained over successive years of withdrawal of the clubs from their domestic popular roots and with the introduction of playing “talent” from other regions and foreign nations. All, of course, as a result of the increased commercialisation and globalisation of the game.

After a gut-wrenching disappointment such as Sunday’s humiliating exit from the FA Cup, it is becoming an increasingly big ask of supporters to put their disappointment behind them and to appeal to those stretched loyalties in the hope that the club will continue to walk the tightrope (as most lower half clubs are) by playing its part in the restructuring so that it may remain in the commercial game as part of the partnership that is “The Premier League”.

Many people will be asking themselves some really hard questions now – as a direct result of the Cardiff debacle. Questions implied by Mickey’s post.

Do they want to continue to contribute to a machine that exists to make players rich men, when they apparently get so little in return?

For the most part, the modern professional footballer is a nomadic mercenary with perhaps a fifteen year playing life. He is a young man who wasn’t born of the era when most supporters who attend football matches were having paid their 2/6d (12p for all you under 30’s!) to stand in the open terraces on a winter’s day, soaking wet and screaming therapeutic expletives with bursting lungs at local lads kicking heavy leather, water-soaked balls, while wading through ankle deep, boot-sucking mud.

They don’t understand the true nature of the passion that the hard-won and enduring heritage of football has for many fans and it also goes some way to explaining why many modern day fans seem so fickle, to those who grew up “the hard way”.

It’s why the modern day fan is increasingly content to take his/her football “au armchair” and therefore, can be fobbed off with Sky sports coverage. Modern day football fans get agitated if somebody moves the TV remote!

I’m not really knocking those fans. I’m merely highlighting the changed nature of many “fans”, the players and the game as it’s presented these days.

That’s why I said what I did in an earlier post – a bit which you cut from the original when repositioning it into “Tell Yer Mam” blog. (Naughty old Anthony!)

The bit that you chose to eliminate and which, I feel, is of particular relevance here is…….

“I really feel that Boro have done some real damage to themselves this afternoon. It was such an opportunity to give the fans something back for a worrying season. Something to brighten the future.

Instead, we got that load of complacent garbage!

That group of players don't deserve support. And I fear they're not going to get much of it any more. Many local "floating" supporters who came along because tickets were priced reasonably and because the prospect of Boro reaching an FA Cup Semi-Final seemed real and achievable will have been put off completely by such an inept display.

How could this be allowed to happen when such an opportunity beckoned?”

If Mickey’s post is anything to go by, I won’t have been far off the mark.

I’m not really sure if the players are capable of connecting with the magnitude of the damage they may have done, especially locally, but potentially to the whole own golden goose.

I, for one, will regret any lasting damage to Boro, but I won’t shed a single tear for the wider game. Not one!

Because I’m a relatively auld gadgie who can remember when values were more about SPORTING GLORY than about P&L ACCOUNTS, BALANCE SHEETS and MILLIONNAIRES who do not and can never truly share the full spectrum of passion, from euphoric elation to abject and painful hurt.

I believe Boro is in a serious damage limitation situation and I believe there is potential for the club to become an early victim of the new order. Sunday, I suspect, may have accelerated that process.

Your blog – or rather the responses to it - may give some indication of how prophetically accurate that view may be.

Personally, I’m inclined to ambivalence – because I’m protecting myself from further hurt! And it’s people like me - the floating voters - that the club has to win over!

**AV writes: Are you sure I cut that out? I can see no reason whatsoever why I would?

You are right to say that the response now will be instructive - if there is any. I sense that the current state of play is a mixture of anger that makes it impossible to focus on the future, even the short term and a new layer of self-protective cynicism expressed as apathy.

I think the Derby game and how the crowd reacts to the team could be of massive lasting cultural significance.

Posted by: Richard  | March 12, 2008 7:03 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

Sunday cost Boro 3000-5000 ST next year plus god knows how many part-timers who won't be back until the next QF, if then.

It has created another generation of cynics. My Dad used to tell me Boro would always break your heart and point to the dodgy defence behind Cloughie as evidence. I told my boy the same and pointed to Wolves and the Great Amer blue cross sales.

Now he is telling his boys the same after they came back from the Cardiff game shell-shocked.

At least we old gets have had the experience of Wembley, Cardiff and Eindhoven to make up for the lean years. I fear that could be behind us for ever.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | March 12, 2008 7:31 PM

davidT wrote...

" They too will have their marked men who will p(l)ay the price in the summer"

That obviously doesn't include Arca, who I believe has this week signed an extension to his contract.

As a supporter Ive experienced relegation cup final losses, semi final loss (as well as some great times) but Ive never felt so teed off and deflated as I still do (Wednesday evening) after Sundays experience.

I really like Gareth, a great player and straight guy, who unlike the majority in football, including most of the TV pundits,can actually string more than two sentences together rather than the usual monosyllabic responses we have to cringe at so often.

However, I really do find myself questioning whether or not Gareth is the right guy for Boro at this time, concluding that he is not, but then who might be?

Im getting depressed now and remain so angry.

C'mon Boro....if you're up to it.

Posted by: davidT  | March 12, 2008 7:31 PM

Richard wrote...

AV:

8:06pm 12 March 2008 and it's 0-4 so far!

No - not at Villa Park! Dream on!

This blog and the response count for vs against! Ra-ra's vs boo-boys!

(Maybe the mood of the response will alter as news emerges from Villa Park! Eh?)

Posted by: Richard  | March 12, 2008 8:06 PM

jc wrote...

Well, we're 1-0 up, playing excellent football, wanting the ball, closing down well, playing it on the ground, and all against a good Aston Villa side. OK, they look a little rusty in defence, but that could just be Downing and Tuncay's movement that's scaring them.

Even if we go on to lose this game, the way we've played the first half is proof that the moaners and chicken runners are quite wrong. We can play good football, and we're doing it right now!

Interesting to see the Boateng & Shawky partnership working in midfield - thought that would be too negative when I saw the line up.

Posted by: jc  | March 12, 2008 10:15 PM

jc wrote...

Well, that was disappointing, but only because we deserved all 3 points. Mido had done good work in defence, clearing off the line at one point, but missed two good chances - the second being easier to score than poke over the bar as he did.

Then the ref, who'd had a good game until then, started giving everything Villa's way, culminating in a penalty that should never have been.

My understanding of the hand ball rule is that there has to be intent for it to be given. How, then, can it be a penalty when Luke Young is sliding along the ground, facing the opposite direction, and the ball hits him in the back before clipping his elbow?!? Steve Bennet needs to go back to school. Awful.

With 10 minutes to go, Mido was binned for Catts and we'd settled for a draw. Probably the right decision, but a shame given how well we'd played. Tuncay was all energy and class throughout - his socks were well and truly run off.

1 point closer to safety!

Posted by: jc  | March 12, 2008 10:18 PM

Pat Mc, Dubai wrote...

"Channel the Anger". I like that AV.

Those three words encapsulate every emotion and frustration of the true fans right now. Your opening line could (should) have been the Gate's opening statement to his players last Monday morning.

I’m sitting here at work, half way through an 11 hour day, bleary-eyed having had 3.5 hours sleep, in order to watch Boro redeem a slice of lost credibility against Villa.

How big a slice? A lot I think, though the relative success of the night would probably have went unseen or overlooked by most of the executioners of our team nationwide.

The big opportunity to redeem credibility comes on Saturday when the nation’s judgemental eyes will once again be upon us.

So what of the game last night? I thought our approach, our style of football, our endeavour were excellent. Once again, with better finishing, we could have been home and dry by half time after a series of golden opportunities went begging.

Even in the second half after Villa had stepped up a few gears, we still should have gone two or three up. It was Ewood Park all over again.

The key area of success, and the most significant area of improvement over the last few games, was the central midfield. Controlled passion, attacking support, defensive support.

The single word, I think, is “presence”.

The Boat and Shawky were excellent, as were the rest of the team. Those players who let themselves and the fans down on Sunday, and those who came into the side, deserve acclaim.

A special mention also, for Huth and Wheater who withstood the three pronged barrage of Carew, Harewood and Agbonlahor manfully for the whole of the second half.

The referee, unfortunately, must have been one of those executioners on Sunday, as he claimed retribution. We were not 5 yellow cards worse than Villa, neither in physical or argumentative terms.

Barry’s shirt-pulling antics should have been more heavily penalised, but hey, he is Mr Nice Guy. And the penalty decision was atrocious. However, by then, we should have been out of sight.

Observations on a couple of players :-

Shawky - he can become a big player for us if chosen consistently. He needs to control his aggression and stop conceding free kicks in our half, but to think he has played only two games for us (one win, one draw, both away from home) is remarkable. Shawky’s style of play seems made for the PL…and he’s only 26.

Tuncay – what a wonderful player this guy is. Defenders don’t know how to handle him as they don’t come up against his like in any other team. When he is on song, I can’t think of one player quite like him in the PL, for his movement, flicks, turns, mobility. Can anyone?
He is like Berbatov on speed!

Big question, who does the Gate choose now for striker duties on Saturday? I would be sorely tempted to retain the same team as last night, despite the availability of Aliadiere.

Overall verdict, very encouraging. The memories of Sunday will be very difficult to erase, but if we keep on playing with the level of heart, and skill as we did last night, then those memories may just start to fade before the end of the season.

And then, we look forward to build on the fragile, but potentially exciting, foundations next season.

There can’t have been many eventful baptisms into football management as The Gate has experienced this season. He will have learned many lessons, which will surely stand him in good stead for next.

I, for one, will not desert my team. My ‘red book’ will be renewed, no doubt.

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai  | March 13, 2008 5:35 AM

Danny wrote...

Jonathon Woodgate, a senior pro and decent bloke was right when he had a dig at Southgate - refering to Ramos he said, "I'm now working with a proper manager" suggesting Southgate isn't.

If Woodgate thought that then how many other players think the same, they do all talk amongst themselves!

Sorry to keep on whinging on about getting rid of Southgate, but its got to be done.

Better result last night, 2 more like that and Southgate and Gibbo will once again think were on the up!

Posted by: Danny  | March 13, 2008 5:36 AM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

Vic, although I agree in principle with trying to put last Sunday behind us and assure our PL status (I've said as much on the Gazette Forum), I side totally with the feelings of Mickeymac and Richard.

I sat in our "Boro Bar" in Baku in the early hours of this morning, it was empty barring me and one other diehard, a bar that has rocked during the heady Eindhoven trail, full for almost every Boro game since we arrived on these shores looking for the black gold, a shrine to everything that is Teesside and Boro.

A spirited display at Villa where we panned them in the first half, only to lose 2 points to a ridiculus refereeing decision, will do little to calm the troubled waters.

I can hear the questions now, "Why couldn't they do that last weekend", "Why didn't Soutghgate bring him on on Sunday" and it won't stop for the rest of this season and probably beyond, because our beloved Boro have slapped us all in the face.

It will be a long time, if ever, before they are forgiven by many of the fans.

The club have a real fight on their hands to get the fans back on their side that is far and away more serious than at any time in our history.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | March 13, 2008 6:10 AM

Danny wrote...

Does anyone know what David Mills does these days??? He was my hero and idol when i was a kid during the 1970s. I see on Wikipedia he ended up working for a printing firm on Teesside but I am sure that was after he left Darlo. Any updated info would be good to see what happened to him. Is he still on Teesside? working or retired?

Sort of a "Where are they now"

**AV writes: I think he still works for Hill Print in Newton Aycliffe (they do the Boro programme) but he also scouts up-coming opposition for Newcastle.

Posted by: Danny  | March 13, 2008 7:33 AM

tonyblack wrote...

" Well, we're 1-0 up, playing excellent football, wanting the ball, closing down well, playing it on the ground, and all against a good Aston Villa side. OK, they look a little rusty in defence, but that could just be Downing and Tuncay's movement that's scaring them.

Even if we go on to lose this game, the way we've played the first half is proof that the moaners and chicken runners are quite wrong. We can play good football, and we're doing it right now! "

Forget the result, so why didn't we play like this a few days ago, or on all too many other occasions this season ?

Why can we go to Villa and play like that with guts, pride and passion and then turn in so many other gutless performances ?

Something's a miss. In my opinion a better manager, and a better assistant manager, and a better coaching team would go a long, long way to curing our " I wonder which Boro will get off the bus today " syndrome.

But I agree totally with you that we don't actually have a bad squad, we actually have quite a good squad and last night we were absolutely robbed of all three points by a ref who should be fined for his utterly woefull performance.

A point against high flying Villa is great, but all three would have be fantasitic and that's how it would have been with a proper ref in charge of the game.

Like you say though, at this stage of the season it's a case of 1 point closer to safety.

We've got some tough games coming up and so everyone at Boro must make sure that win, lose or draw that they ensure that the lads go on that pitch for every single of the remaining games fully focus and concentrated with the right attitude and ready to battle and battle and battle until every final whistle goes.

This is all many " moaners and chicken runners " like me want to see and then you will all see how they start to come back.

Like I've said so many times before, I really don't think that this is too much to ask.

Pride in the shirt and 110% committment no matter what.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | March 13, 2008 8:34 AM

borobeau wrote...

Had a Villa fan gloating at me after Sunday's debacle. He thought Boro were there for the taking on Wednesday. He obviously isn't aware of the Boro's inate ability to turn disaster into a dream.

A point at Villa, well earned at that, wil go some way to appeasing long-suffering Boro fans. After all, there's an easy way and there's the Boro way.

Posted by: borobeau  | March 13, 2008 8:35 AM

stockton red wrote...

My anger is channelled at Steve Bennett.If he is not demoted for that abomination of a decision then something is seriously wrong.

In other ways last night encapsulates the season. We have played at Villa Blackburn Portsmouth and Liverpool all above average teams and looked a good side. We just cant finish teams off when we have them on the ropes.

Every criticism on Sunday was justified.A bit of praise to Southgate and the players is in order for their response. Lets see the same in each and every game till the end of the season.

Posted by: stockton red  | March 13, 2008 9:37 AM

Steve Pinnell wrote...

Watched the highlights last night and could not believe the penalty desicion.

There is no doubt that referees are not up to the job and surely it is time to bring in professional footballers who are finished with the game in their mid thirties and still want to be involved in football.

Get rid of the other professionals (Bank managers Architchts Accountants and the rest)who think they are referees and who have never played the game at any sort of pro or semi pro level and have never exprienced the heat of battle on a football pitch.

Steve Bennet should be ashamed of himself when he watches the replay of the incident. Not least that he booked Luke Young when all he did after the game was to ask him to take look at the desicion.

Some Pro footballers who are finished with the game and have played in the lower leagues from the Championship to the Non league clubs need to earn a living because they did not earn premiership wages and would welcome the chance to earn very good money that the clowns in charge earn now.

They know what the game is all about and I am sure they would be a lot more approachable on the pitch and would get a lot more respect than the likes of Steve Bennett.

They are driving people away from the game a lot more than poor performances like our performance against Cardiff. Although can't blame the ref for that one.

Please lets have men in charge on a football pitch who know what they are doing and know the game inatead of knowing only their own profession. Like I said Clowns.

Having got that off my chest I think Boro were excellent last night and even Martin O'Neil said they were lucky to get a point. Shawky looks the part in midfield and Boeteng was even trying the Ronaldo stepovers. Lets hope this is the start of some good results for the last 9 matches.

Posted by: Steve Pinnell  | March 13, 2008 9:40 AM

BoroPhil wrote...

DAVE CONNOR

Last night hardly means that Rocky, Arca and Alves are now surplus to requirements. It just proves what a decent squad we have when fringe players like Shawky and Boateng can come in and do so well. Rocky has been excellent this season, and probably needs a rest. Arca has admitted his form has dipped and could also do with a break. Alves is for next season as we all know.

Brilliant response from the lads last night, Gareth said they’d make their response to Sunday on the pitch and they did. After all the barrackings they’ve received about Sunday, only right that they should get full credit today.
________________________________________

Posted by: BoroPhil  | March 13, 2008 9:47 AM

James Emmerson wrote...

tonyblack wrote...

"Pride in the shirt and 110% committment no matter what."

Despite last night's performance, how any player or fan can have pride in that white & gold shirt is beyond me.
Truly the most ghastly away kit I can remember seeing and I am embarrassed by it! Gold socks? Gold Shorts??!!

Posted by: James Emmerson  | March 13, 2008 9:57 AM

Nigel wrote...

I wasnt expecting to be posting this morning that I'm disapointed that it was only one point from the Villa game, but we put in an excellent performance and but for a bad decision by the ref it would have been three points.

Another good performance against Arsenal irrespective of the score, will set us up for Derby. We need one point a game average between now and the end of the season, we'll do that.

I will be going to the Derby game, I'm looking forward to it and will give Boro my full support. I expect a good atmosphere because like most supporters I understand the value of backing the team, unlike those posting above who seem determined to cut off their noses to spite their face.

I would say to all the 'boo boys' if your not going to support boro go and pick another team to follow.

Premiership survival is on the line here and its down to all of us to play a part, however small, what is the point in being negative what does it achieve?

Posted by: Nigel  | March 13, 2008 10:05 AM

Richard wrote...

AV:

You're right about the Derby match being more of an accurate bell-weather of residual opinion.

However, some further thoughts on your blog:

One really offensive thing about Sunday's match, to many fans I imagine, was that there were some special consequences for them, the fans, if Boro had prevailed.

There were some really tangible rewards beckoning for ordinary punters if we'd beaten Cardiff. Rewards that although would have required further individual expenditure, we know from history that more than just the Riverside faithful volumes would have been happy to pay for the later stage cup run experience. Family and extended family days out were at stake!

People are rightly blaming the team for the failure to have those dreams fulfilled, which many had started to turn into real plans. I know people who had booked trains for Wembley on the strength of the draw against Cardiff!

I myself had already enquired about accommodation.

Results in the league (almost) pale into insignificance beside lost personal opportunity. Because there'll always be another league match in the next week or so!

And, for many, a (routine) visit to the Riverside doesn't exactly stack up in terms of an exciting day/ weekend out compared to a trip (or two!) to Wembley.

So, welcome though the Villa result was, it doesn't, for me at least, come anywhere close to repairing the damage done by the FA Cup exit.

A further point on the Villa result. And this is NOT directed only at Boro, but at the game of football itself. The wrongfully awarded penalty decision by Bennett, and the increasing number of controversial, and often wrong, calls by officials is a further running sore in fans impressions of the modern game.

The frustration felt by Boro fans at losing two extremely valuable points to a crass decision like that only heightens disillusionment with the way the modern game is policed and run.

The consequences of such decisions are so great these days that more effort must be applied to getting all of the crucial ones right - whether they're for your own team or not.

If this means greater use of AV (that's Audio Visual, as opposed to Anthony Vickers or Aston Villa!) technology in real-time control of play, then it needs much more serious positive consideration than accorded to it historically.

The restoration of pride in Boro and making amends for Sunday's ineptitude has been restricted by another facet of disillusionment with modern-day football.

Thats is - unfair official's decisions -whether misjudged, wrongly interpreted, falsely witnessed or crowd/player intimidation-influenced.

And I think that it will be seen as such by a further few fans for whom it'll prove to be the straw that finally broke their own pet camel's back.

Despite the apparent turnaround in attitude of the team who couldn’t deliver their local fans’ personal dreams, but got determined enough to earn a league point at Villa Park!

**AV writes: I agree that limping to safety now and winng a few games now isn't really enough to repair the lasting cultural damage done by Cardiff - but staying up will give the time, opportunity and, maybe more importantly, the finance to rebuild, weed out those not good enough and been seen to offer some hope for the future.

It won't be easy. There are only so many 'seasons of consolidation' that punters can take.

Posted by: Richard  | March 13, 2008 10:46 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Steve Bennett spilt my pint!

**AV writes: Consider yourself lucky he didn't book you too.

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | March 13, 2008 10:55 AM

Andy (Hants) wrote...

Well, I went last night and 3 days after one of the most inept performances ever witnessed, we outplayed (for the first hour) the much vaunted M O'Ns team of Euro hopefuls.

Sure we can ask where the hell that was on Sunday but last night showed me Gate will be a top manager and his team really can play but lLike all teams outside the top four we are horribly inconsistent.

Last night, we we wanted it more than they did; good movement, pace and balance. Huth was immense, Tuncay outstanding, full of running and tricks. Downing, Young, George all excellent.

I wont comment about the pen, we all know that story.

that Mido should have had 3, with the miss early in the second half being a 'dolly', although he worked hard.

A lot to be encouraged by but we are capable of playing really good football. We did that and showed a lot of character to 'dig in' after they scored.

The spectre of Sunday will never be totally erased and will be talked about for years to come. I worry about the damage it has done long term with the fans. Sure we can all be miserable and focus on negatives but performances like this (too rare admittedly) show what this team, and manager area capable of.

David Morrison, I for one salute your optimism!

Posted by: Andy (Hants)  | March 13, 2008 11:21 AM

jc wrote...

TB - when you ask why we didn't play that way on Sunday, you are spot on. The temptation, I suppose, is to try to forget that debacle, or just put it down to the Untypical Boro, or Which Boro Off The Bus phenomenon.

GS has to keep that QF performance at the forefront of his mind until he's figured out why it happened. If you don't learn from your mistakes you are doomed to repeat them.

It's clear that we tend to play good football against good footballing sides. We are most effective on the break, now that we have energetic players like Tuncay and O'Neil (and Ali when fit), so away at Villa Park, with Villa pressing into our half, gives us the chance to play to our strengths.

We can also absorb a fair bit of pressure because we have good, tall, effective centre backs, which again allows us to play a counterattacking game.

That all falls apart if the opposition score first, since they can then sit back a bit and we are not so effective in breaking down a well organised defence. We don't have Viduka anymore, or JFH.

Of course, all of that only goes part way to explaining Sundays nightmare, which was more about our flawed psychology.

Whether it was down to the rabbit in the headlights paralysis that Richard and others have proposed, or a kind of mind-numbing complacency (the 'we only have to turn up to win' mind-set), I don't know - but that's what GS has to discover, along with the means to counteract it. I have more faith in his ability to do so than, say, McClaren or (gawd help us) Robbo would have.

Posted by: jc  | March 13, 2008 11:45 AM

Bob Morton wrote...

Last night was mere proof, if proof were needed, that Rochemback and Arca should've been dropped months ago and neither is up to it at this level.

Alas, Gareth never had the brains to see it until it was far too late.

The Cardiff game will scar my generation forever, just as the Wolves game did the generation before.

Posted by: Bob Morton  | March 13, 2008 12:07 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" stockton red wrote...

"My anger is channelled at Steve Bennett.If he is not demoted for that abomination of a decision then something is seriously wrong.

In other ways last night encapsulates the season. We have played at Villa Blackburn Portsmouth and Liverpool all above average teams and looked a good side. We just cant finish teams off when we have them on the ropes.

Every criticism on Sunday was justified.A bit of praise to Southgate and the players is in order for their response. Lets see the same in each and every game till the end of the season. "

I absolutely agree with you mate, and yes, even though I want rid of him, GS does deserve praise for raising the lads back to where they should be after such a low point.

So well done GS and all involved.

It is only right and fair to give praise where it's due, and in the past I have and I have no problem in doing it again now and in the future. No problem at all.

"Every criticism on Sunday was justified.A bit of praise to Southgate and the players is in order for their response. Lets see the same in each and every game till the end of the season. "

Yes, again, I couldn't agree more and if we can just see this in each and every game bar the odd blip then you would find that I and others would get off his back and would be far, far more inclined to get back to the Riverside on a regular basis.

No one expects Champions League football or to win all the time or never to ever lose against the lower clubs, but they do expect that barring the odd blip that the team plays from the heart, with guts, and give all that they can each and every single time.

This for me is non negotiable. For me, if ANY manager cannot achieve this then we need to get someone who can as this for me is the very minimum I expect from people who manage and coach.

Then we can debate tacticts and training methods all day long, but without this basic principle in place then everything else counts for nothing, in my opinion.

So come on people, especially those who think I'm a mad man, a chicken runner or whatever else. Surely we can all agree on this ?

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | March 13, 2008 12:17 PM

Nigel wrote...

So Spurs and Everton are out of the UEFA cup, how sad!

On Saturday I would play with Tuncay and Aliadiere up front on the basis players always score against their old clubs!

TB - We all want our team to play with passion and guts in every game, but its a forlorn hope, no team in the world ever achieves that, its simple human nature. The best teams win when they are below par because they have the quality to do so.

Perhaps Villa should sack Martin O'Neil for his failure to motivate his team to beat one which was reeling from an FA cup disaster and only 4 points off the drop?

Posted by: Nigel  | March 13, 2008 12:49 PM

Greeny wrote...

JC is right about "flawed psychology". The team has proved, by and large, in recent months that they are prepared to get stuck in and can play some decent football. They've also proved that they can`t score enough goals to kill off a match. Nothing was new at Villa.

Sunday's game proved nothing new. Boro choke when the chips are down and as a result we are the butt of snide media comments at the moment that even committed fans can't refute. When we are expected to lose and the pressure is off, we usually put in a performance.

The shackles holding Boro back are a bit of a mystery. I don`t believe there was a lack of effort on Sunday, the players just bottled it. Some were so nervous, they couldn't make a two yard pass - others froze as the Cardiff players passed their way around them.

Until we have a manager who can figure that out, we are permanently destined to be also rans. My worry is that quite a few thousand fans have reached the same conclusion and may never return to the fold.

I never boo my team and have, over the years shrugged off many dissapointments. Like a lot of others though, I`m struggling to shake off the black mood. The Villa game didn`t help. Normally the ref would be the subject of my anger, but I found myself thinking "typical Boro" at our comedy centre-forward's laughable efforts instead. I couldn`t even get angry, just fed up.

I dread to think what the atmospere at the Derby game will be. Even if the players don't get barracked (and I sincerely hope they don't) how can we expect anyone to enthusiastically support them at present ?

Posted by: Greeny  | March 13, 2008 1:04 PM

James Emmerson wrote...

One other thing about Steve Bennett is that he has a history of stuffing Boro...I cite Upton Park 2 seasons ago and the 'goal' that was yards from crossing the line. Allowed by none other than....you've guessed it.

McClaren laughably (and pathetically) shook his hand afterwards and kind of shrugged it off - we should have made a real do then and got Bennett suspended or demoted for such abominal incompetence.

He has a history against us, is clearly biased (e.g. last night not only did he give that penalty that even O'Neill admitted was a joke but he booked Luke Young afterwards for asking him to look again at the video) and we ought to get him removed from doing any of our future games.

Is this possible?

Posted by: James Emmerson  | March 13, 2008 1:21 PM

martin in southampton wrote...

So we got a good point last night, could have been three except for the referee - where have we heard that before? I'm surprised no-one's mentioned an anti-Boro conspiracy yet, after what happened at Liverpool also!

And Sunday? Typical Boro! Live with it, move on.
Personally I'm still gutted from Eindhoven - at least that wasn't expected; Sunday was always on the cards and take nothing away from Cardiff who played well.

Sometimes I feel we're turning into what we despise - when we get a good win away, the London press always make the excuse that 'someone' was missing and if they'd had the full team out, Boro wouldn't have won- and we complain because this takes away from our performance.

So Cardiff was a debacle - but I'm generally more positive about our manager and the potential for our team than I have been for years.

Call me naiive, but when we popped out of the womb at Parkside and the football fairy cursed us with our team, let's just live with the fact they are who they are, and it could be a lot lot worse. I work with Brighton, Carlisle, Fulham and Blackburn fans and I still wouldn't swap what's my heart for what's in theirs. Ever!

Posted by: martin in southampton  | March 13, 2008 1:34 PM

jc wrote...

As an addendum: I hope people aren't pinning too much hope on the Derby game. They'll no doubt come to the Riverside to defend in numbers, and we will find it hard to score. It won't be pretty football.

Posted by: jc  | March 13, 2008 1:53 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

We looked much better with two holding players who kept it simple, certainly works away where the opposition come on to you, dont know about at home. Two points:

1. Moving it quickly allows us to break swiftly

2. Go backwards just as quickly if the keep misplacing the passes as they did second half.

The problem with Tippy and Tappy is they can slow play down especially against more physical teams. Can get away with one because they can also buy you time allowing people to make runs, both of them together tend to give you the runs

Downing had a good game especially first half, I thought he might have been arrested for mental cruelty on the full back. Excellent goal. Second half we started with a couple of real chances and paid the penalty A case of so nearly as we created several chances and half chances.

Wheater did well aided and abetted by Huth. Mido disappointed, the Villa fans on the train next to us thought he let them off the hook by missing a couple of clear chances. Lumbered about giving away free kicks.

Boat and Shawky stiffened up midfield but their passing second half gave too many balls away, O’Neill had the same disease.

Tuncay ran his socks off. Schwarzer kept wasting time. Boat booked after some embarrassing handbags.

Hard to judge about the pen from where I was. Fact is with better finishing (now there is a recurring theme) but a point was ok.

Where next? Apart from Aresenal that is which leads nicely onto them. At their best, they dont play many fancy passes or wonder balls. They play lots of short balls into space knowing someone will run on to it.

We could play 4-1-4-1 with O'Neil, Tuncay, Aliadiere and Downing behind Alves/Mido and Shawky or Boat wrecking. I think Gate will line up in a similar fashion to last night

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 13, 2008 1:56 PM

Aberdeen Brian wrote...

That penalty decision last night may turn out to have been a blesing in disguise given the public mood after the Cardiff game. It may just reinforce the siege mentality among the fans and reduce the hostility towards the players and club.

I must admit I am still moping after Sunday but Middlesbrough and it's continuing membership of the Premier league are the only important thing at the moment.

Players may come and go but the fans remain, and despite how let down we all feel at the moment, we need Boro to stay up. Even if it's only to stick two fingers up to those officials who seem bent on punishing Boro for having the temerity to try and compete with our "betters".

The game against Villa might have been a nightmare if the players hadn't responded in the way they did. Grudging respect to them for that and although I'll never forget sunday, I'll never stop supporting the club either.

Posted by: Aberdeen Brian  | March 13, 2008 2:00 PM

ian Gill wrote...

Having posted some thoughts on the match and tactics lets get back to the basics.

Most of you will know my view that we love Boro but put up with MFC and here I am going to divorce many of the people who work at MFC from MFC and ally them to Boro.

Having seen Gibbo's face at the end of the match I also am going to include Gibbo in Boro.

MFC let Boro down big time, they stood her up on her big day and left her standing at the altar to apologise to all the guests.

Having laughed and joked with Derby fans I made the statement that in all my years supporting Boro, given the relative circumstances of various let downs over the years, I rate Sundays as the worst of the lot.

I wish I had a fiver for every time the fans have been enticed back only to be let down but this was, for me, a real kick in the crown jewels.

It wasnt the fact it was a cup tie and the chance was there to win a cup. It was the abject nature of the capitulation. We didnt even kick anyone in the air.

I cant see it being forgotten or forgiven, it will fester for a long time. With any luck the shame will live with the players and ensure prem survival.

Some may not survive the summer, I suspect the ones that do will be those who sat with their heads in the hands after the game too ashamed to face people. If thet werent ashamed I dont want them at my Boro.

Now on to Arsenal.

Posted by: ian Gill  | March 13, 2008 2:20 PM

David Morrison wrote...

Andy (hants)

Thanks very much. I am the eternal optimist and football never surprises me. We live in a very real world where upsets happen and we all dont achieve what we want in sum circumstances.

The Cardiff game was shocking yes but last night shows the players have faith in the manager and what he is trying to achieve.

I have seen many games this season where we have battered the opposition and should have won. I'll probably be able to count ten if wanted to. That's 30 points extra to take us close to uefa cup spot so why shouldnt i look to a brighter future.

We have quality players and a good manager who will in time get MFC playing a type of football no one round here has seen before...

Yes we have seen attacking foorball with Juninho and Ravanelli but we let far to many in and got relegated. sg is suring us up and trying to find the balance and that dosnt happen in 18 months....

Come on Boro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | March 13, 2008 2:35 PM

coggins wrote...

Greeny

You're either a staunch pessimist who gets some peverse Teesside-esque enjoyment from wallowing in misery, or you simply dislike Boro and are probably a MacGeordie on a wind-up.

'we are permanently destined to be also rans'.

This comment ignores the fact that we have been genuinely successful over the last few years (unlike before Wolves '81, which people inevitably keep harking back to). Or do you expect us to win the league?

'The Villa game didn`t help. Normally the ref would be the subject of my anger, but I found myself thinking "typical Boro" at our comedy centre-forward's laughable efforts instead. I couldn`t even get angry, just fed up.

I dread to think what the atmospere at the Derby game will be. Even if the players don't get barracked (and I sincerely hope they don't) how can we expect anyone to enthusiastically support them at present ?'

I gather the small band of supporters enthusiastically backed the team last night, not out of blind loyalty but because of the impressive performance over the 90 minutes which has been widely reported in the media.

I would therefore suggest that last night DID help, that the crowd will be supportive if we continue to play this way and, but for Pete Postlethwaite's monumental balls-up, would've probably ensured our odds-on survival in the top flight, though the point gained is still useful.

Still, why not focus on the one negative, ie Mido's inept finishing, and ignore the many positive aspects of our display if it suits your mindset, eh?.

Posted by: coggins  | March 13, 2008 2:37 PM

tonyblack wrote...

Nigel...

" TB - We all want our team to play with passion and guts in every game, but its a forlorn hope, no team in the world ever achieves that, its simple human nature. The best teams win when they are below par because they have the quality to do so. "

I did say " barring the odd blip " and I meant more often than not, as I absolutely agree with what you say.

My problem is that I think that we all too often don't play with the right attitude or commitment.

Look at the Arsenal game where we hounded their every move and closed them down as fast as lightening. Why can we do these here at not at places like Reading where the 3 points were like golddust and not in an FA Cup game where we had the very best chance ever of winning it ?

This surely MUST be a major concern.

If GS can't work it out then at the very least he should bring someone GOOD in who can, and I'm not talking about someone like Bill.

This for me clarly shows a lack of mental preparation/ ability/ strength- call it what you like, but it's there. It's ever present and it has to be holding us back.

But the fact that we can do it against " the big four " and not against many of the rest is one of the main reasons why this team under achieves, in my opinion.

Ok then, don't have a pop at me for the I've provided a link to highlight what I'm babbling on about as I know that it comes from Slim's site but it hits a big chord with me and personally I think the team would benefit from someone like him - but NOT him - who's well known and respected and known for his/her work in this field.

These are the types of things I'd love to see Gareth implement and I'd be a lot happier to stick with him and support him if he brought in a few more new faces with good CV's that would work with him and help him to achieve his goals.

With the set up as it is now I just don't see this happening.

TB

http://www.myfootballcoach.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=848

Posted by: tonyblack  | March 13, 2008 2:43 PM

David Morrison wrote...

tonyblack,

Which team in the premiership harries, tackles, closes down every man quick as lightening in every game?

You're on about finding some one who will get the players to do it so who in the Premiership is getting their players to do it this season?

Prove your point?

Posted by: David Morrison  | March 13, 2008 3:14 PM

Sparky wrote...

I think he was just highlighting the fact that, although over the last twelve years we've seen many many different players come in and out, the mentality seems to have stuck with us - we can beat the 'big four' and put on a performance worthy of 11/10 marks for each player, yet time and time again we play the lower teams and drag our feet, unable to get out of the traps at all!

Against Arsenal we were a different class. Pacey, tough, resiliant and professional in every aspect.

Against Cardiff we looked like a pack of hungover teenagers playing against the local pre-school nursery B-team.

Posted by: Sparky  | March 13, 2008 3:37 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

jc

Derby coming to defend in numbers or not does not affect our scoring. According to rumours I heard the team tried unopposed attacking against no defenders or goalkeeper and still drew 1-1.

In the match at Derby they were truly woeful, it was only our failure to lift the tempo that kept the score to 1-0. We resorted to lumping the ball in that match.

If we come out at a decent tempo and attack we should win comfortably.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 13, 2008 4:45 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" David Morrison wrote...

tonyblack,

Which team in the premiership harries, tackles, closes down every man quick as lightening in every game?

You're on about finding some one who will get the players to do it so who in the Premiership is getting their players to do it this season?

Prove your point? "

David, Sparky put it perfectly.

I never said in every game, I just make the point that against the " big teams " we can really get ourselves up for the game, whereas against the " lower " teams we all too often can't.

Ability in the legs doesn't just come and go, it's there every week, so for me in my humble opinion it's all about what's goin on in their heads.

GS said that the FA Cup " game was too big " for the lads.

No, this is all wrong and I just refuse to buy into this way of thinking and the fact that GS has the balls to say it and that he sadly actually believes it makes me even more sure that he needs to go asap.

This is the stuff of dreams and where each one of us in here dreamed of being when we were younger. They made it where we didn't. So please don't try and blame it on the occasion as every footballer the world over dreams of getting to the FA Cup Final.

No, this is a problem that goes deeper, much deeper and until GS and CC sit around the table and look at it and bring in someone who can put it right I think that it will forever hold us back.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | March 13, 2008 6:36 PM

lauren wrote...

I was worried about Boro's league form after the Cardiff game but i'm not any more. we showed last night that we can still perform against the bigger teams. for some reason, we don't do as well against the lower teams??

It's a shame we didn't get three points though but it shouldn't have been a penalty. Aliadiere is back for the Arsenal game I think so we will see how much we have missed him and his pace!

Posted by: lauren  | March 13, 2008 8:44 PM

DAVE CONNOR wrote...

To Danny and AV

Regarding your question on David Mills. AV is right in what he says. I see David quite often when I am home, he still lives at Marton, and he is a perfect gentlemen in everyway.

If you ever want to meet him, he will gladly do this and sign any autographs that you may want from him.If you send me your details to daveconnor@gmail.com I can call David on your behalf.

Posted by: DAVE CONNOR  | March 14, 2008 2:14 AM

DAVE CONNOR wrote...

Well done Bob Morton, It appears that you have been watching the same games as me, regarding Roch and Arca. two very mediocre players to say the least and certainly not up to premiership standard

Posted by: DAVE CONNOR  | March 14, 2008 2:19 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Had a chance to look at the penalty on TV for the first time and it does look harsh.

Looking at the highlights it does seem as if Bennett may have lost his cool with the Boro players, the card to Young at the end appeared to be a case of how dare you ask me about my decision. We dont know what was said but Young didnt appear aggressive, waving his arms about or swearing.

A chance to perform on the TV against Arsenal, I suspect Aliadiere in for Mido will be the only change though Gate may be tempted to use Mido's physicality against Senderos.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 14, 2008 9:23 AM

Andy (Hants) wrote...

Well Bob Morton, Dave Connor agreeing with you underlines the fact that you must be wrong. '

'Gareth never had the brains' eh? One game where a 'new pairing' in centre midfield played well and suddenly, all that went before was wrong and silly old Gareth couldn't see it.

Remember against Birmingham when the 'new pairing' of Rocky and Arca was hailed here and MOTD as an excellent pairing; where were you then saying they were pants or is it that you are wise after the event?

Gareth V Bob M's on the football judgement stakes.(Scratches head) Err, I'll listen to the lad with the big nose!

Posted by: Andy (Hants)  | March 14, 2008 9:57 AM

robin mitton wrote...

Dear AV,

Why are you not on the front page of the e-gazette?

Also yes...we need to bolster the 1st team spirit after the sad debacle. Easy to slag people off but much harder to make people feel good about themselves when they KNOW all too painfully just how short they have measured up.

Cmon everyone!... get behind the team now before it's too late.


Robin Mitton (gay Paree!)
FOOTBALL FOR NATIONS

Posted by: robin mitton  | March 14, 2008 10:00 AM

David Morrison wrote...

tonyblack:

Mark hughes has had far more time with blackburn than GS and CC have had with Boro. Even if we do get a new manager then it will be the same settling in period whoever is in charge.

Remember when hughes first took over they kicked lumps out of every team and where very physical and where critisised for it.

GS is cleaning up the Boro, getting rid of the old guard and bringing in the younger guys to learn this attacking passing mentality.

Wenger didnt do it over night its taken him 10 years to get the right blend to be able to play the way that arsenal do.

You have got to be patient and rational and understand that to change a football clubs mentality takes time and hard work. Yes it wasnt there against cardiff but so what? Thats one game where it didnt work.

As for the occassion being to big for them, well it may have been. That dosnt mean it is GS or CCs fault. How many of this middlesbrough team have played in games that big with that much riding on it? Not many, I'd say even though they are internationals.

Youve got to get real and I understand that your entitled to your opinion and that not every one is happy with GS but while hes here get behind the team and be positive rather than negetive.

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | March 14, 2008 11:19 AM

Gibbo's Eyes wrote...

Julio Arca will be going back to Sunderland, bet your house on it!

Posted by: Gibbo's Eyes  | March 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Greeny wrote...

Coggins, I`ve watched Boro for close on 40 years and have supported them throughout. I don`t barrack players like some of the morons around me who believe that it will imrove their performance, I encourage them.

I`m an optimist by nature (I was already planning on two trips to Wembley and making a resolution to go to all of the European games).

That doesn`t mean I am not a realist. My ambitions go no further than winning the odd trophy and finishing in the top half of the table.

The level of "success" we are having now is a revelation for someone brought up in the Stan Anderson era, but that doesn`t disguise the fact that we have failed miserably when the chips were down on all but one occassion.

When the expectations are low (e.g. needing to recover a three goal deficit against good European opposition), we throw off the shackles and perform. I`ve seen too many other occasions when we have just frozen. As I said about last Sunday, it wasn`t lack of effort, I think the players were scared stiff.

Until we figure out how to prepare the players (and maybe us fans) for such occasions, we'll continue to have a poor record.

The point I was trying to make (maybe clumsily) was that this last defeat hit me, and I`m sure a great many other Boro fans harder then any other defeat ever has.

Just take a look at some of the other postings and listen to what people are saying. Have you ever heard people be so hacked off - even by Boro standards ?

I think it will take more than a couple of decent performances before the fans truly warm to their team again.

Unlike the many that will now desert the team, I will stay loyal, but I reserve the right to remain angry for a little while longer. I`ll keep it to myself though.

Come on Boro.

Posted by: Greeny  | March 14, 2008 12:49 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Greeny

That is exactly how I feel, though I didnt expect a trip to Wembley having made the decision to go to Villa instead.

I vented my spleen over the Cardiff performance, from my viewpoint the worst overall capitulation I can recall in well over 40 years supporting the Boro given the quality of players and status we have.

I was still at Villa and cheered them on, I will continue to do so but I will find it difficult to forgive that abject capitulation

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 14, 2008 7:20 PM

DAVE CONNOR wrote...

Andy at Hants

You miss the point completly my friend. Why dont you read the e-mails correctly? Just because someone saw something the same as me "doesnt make him wrong."

Take the time to read the previous posting and try to understand what I am saying. One game doesnt change everything but it was better than most of what had been served up over the season.

And tell me what happened after the Birmingham game, with the these players? I rest my case. And by the way the second game against Arsenal, the midfield is still much better, and long may it continue.

UP THE BORO. I am home this week and will be at the Riverside on saturday.

Posted by: DAVE CONNOR  | March 17, 2008 5:21 AM

Andy (Hants) wrote...

Dave Connor. I did read the e-mails correctly; it said "neither is up to it at this level" and you agreed.

They, especially Arca have been poor lately. However, earlier this season this was not the case. After the Brum game we dominated W'Ham and S/Land and won neither.

The midfield continued to make chances that the forwards didn't finish. If it was the case, as you contend, why weren't you saying it then?

You have very fixed views Dave and your latest comments on Schwarzer merely underline this. We do however agree that your case is well and truly rested.

Posted by: Andy (Hants)  | March 17, 2008 12:26 PM

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