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Treason, Trophies And Tactical Support

Posted by on February 22, 2008 10:04 PM | 

SMALL MINDED Teessider alert! Look, I have no time for Chelsea whatsoever. That long pre-dates the current preposterous rouble stuffed arrogance that has made them the team of choice for puffed-up playground glory-hunters: the Battle of Stamford Bridge, Bad Santa Ken Bates's electric fence, three Wembley heartbreaks, Dorigo, Di Matteo and Sinclair... it is all pretty much imprinted in our cultural DNA to hate London's self important fourth biggest team. But I really, really want them to batter Spurs in the Carling Cup final on Sunday.

I make no pretence that this defection from traditional positions is some objective scientific judgement based on an appreciation of their tactics or technical ability. Neither is any emotional Epiphany that life is too short to harbour grudges and we should let draw a line under petty squabbles and celebrate the Blue Machine's contribution to the beautiful game. No way.

The switch against all instincts is just short-term tactical support born of parochial self-interest. I just want to protect Boro's status as last team outside the Big Four to win something.

Right now that winners tag is a precious political asset when it comes to banter across the barricades and it is a fact that gets hammered home with every why-oh-why editorial about the domination of the Champions League quadropoly. Ultimately it doesn't matter who beat who home or away or by what score, who finished fourth back in 2001, who has the biggest crowds or shirt sales, that is all just so much fish and chip wrapping... but when you look down the all important list of trophy winners there it is screaming proudly from among the tape loop repetition of the usual suspects: Middlesbrough, Carling Cup WINNERS 2004.

I would be gutted if that particular accolade were to be airbrushed out of history and "Tottenham" to be engraved in our place. That Boro have won a trophy in living memory gives us a real kudos and rarity value. In an industry distorted by an urgent Philistine consumerism that demands the next game be considered the biggest match ever and the past as disposable, it is easy to forget the seismic significance for Boro of that day at Cardiff. It was the vindication of the rebirth of the club that came with the Gibson vision and trumpeted the success of the Riverside Revolution. It led to Europe, elevated expectations that we are yet to fulfill and a completely new perspective.

But beyond that it gives us a weight and a grudging recognition and respect outside of Teesside that short-sighted supporters maybe sometimes fail to see. It is a useful tool to sell the club to sponsors and to new players and is valuable political capital when we have to fight our corner against the jaundiced idiots who run the game and would see us as expendable cannon fodder. For all the talk of big brands like Everton, Newcastle, Villa, Spurs and Manchester City and their ability to build fan-bases abroad, it is Boro who can point to the defining reality of success. It is Boro that last broke the grip of the elite to win a trophy and I want it to stay that way.

Also, I can't bear the thought of Spurs winning and having to cringe as Jonathan Woodgate is wheeled out in the post-match press conference to stab a knife into the heart of club he watched at Hartlepool and say he had to leave Boro to win trophies. So sorry Woody, I want you and London's Geordies to lose. Preferably badly. Because that would underline that it is not easy to win this competition that the big boys "don't take seriously".

And I am willing to add an international dimension to my petty and vindictive Teesside insularity too because I want Spurs to go crashing out of the next round of the UEFA Cup. In fact I am praying for a vicious and bloody cull of all the English clubs in next round, a last 16 ethnic cleansing of Premier League European upstarts Bolton and Everton (especially Everton) - and hey, what the hell, let's liquidate Rangers while we are at it - for exactly the same reasons.

Boro did not get the praise they deserved for reaching the UEFA Cup final. The pulsating route to Eindhoven was played down by the media and shunted into the digital ghetto . The silverware showdown itself was overshadowed by the FA's unforgivable and unneccessarily ill-timed announcement that McClaren was to be the new England manager. The actual achievement - one that the critics sneer at and suggest is somehow easy - is one that that four or five Premier League teams a year attempt and fail. And I want it to stay that way. It can only increase the value and impact of our own success.

Plus, it is good for the sanity and sugar levels of the nation because while Boro's achievement in getting to the final was treated with only minimal media interest and only thinly veiled contempt you can be sure that were Spurs to get there it would unleash a Cockneycentric tsunami of sickly saccharine sycophantic drivel that would make even Jonathon Ross blush. Heaven forbid they won the bloody thing.

So don't give me all this "all of England will be supporting Spurs/Everton/Bolton tonight" because I am bloody sure I won't be. I'd support Roma against them. And I sure as hell won't be supporting Spurs against Chelsea at Wembley either. I'll support Roman against them. It might go against the grain for Teessiders who have grown up detesting Chelsea and all they stand for - it feels dirty, immoral and treasonous to be frank - but it is in Boro's political interests that the Evil Ones batter them. And let's be honest, you'd be cheering them on if they were playing Newcastle and it is not such a great ideological leap from there. So come on you Blues!

Comments (67)

Richard wrote...

Hear! Hear! (Or is it "Here! Here!"?)

With you all the way on that AV!

I remember my youthful football ego living for many years off the fat of my home town club's (Kilmarnock) Scottish League Champions win in Season 1964-65!

It was even before England won the World Cup. Yes, it was that long ago! But there you go! The fact that I STILL have some residual afterglow about it is a measure of what it means to local fans in such achievements by unfashionable, media-unloved, unworthy, impertinent, how-dare-you's!

I also feel the same about Boro's Carling Cup Triumph and the exciting road to the UEFA Cup Final!

And that's why I get so annoyed when eejits from the massed ranks of the southern-b(i)ased national media throw cold damp blankets over any successes by minor provincial clubs in either of our two cup competitions.

Equally aggravating is their writing-off of the cup competitions as a distraction from the much more important league tussles. That is until one of "their" clubs happens to get to a final and win it. And then there's talk of doubles, trebles and even.....yes I've heard it said, quantuples!

Then the minor competitions are suddenly conveniently re-ranked alongside the Premier League Championship (can I still call it that?)and The Champions League!

My only regret about the Carling Cup Final this year is that it's two London clubs that are fighting it out. (Let's hope it's a boring bloodbath!) The rest of the country will just have to suffer the subsequent carping and crowing!

But like you AV, for the same reasons, as much as I hate to have to do it, I'd take Chelski over Tottingham, The Teddy Bears or the Bhoys over the Jam Tarts, or Hibees any season, just to preserve that afterglow for a while longer.

Come on the Roman's!

But I'll still be in a bad mood if Boro don't get anything out of the Scousers on Saturday!

Come on Boro!

Posted by: Richard  | February 23, 2008 1:54 AM

Bob wrote...

"...a Cockneycentric tsunami of sickly saccharine sycophantic drivel..."

AV, you are a master wordsmith!

**AV writes. I get paid by the adjective.

Posted by: Bob  | February 23, 2008 2:09 AM

Holgate Ender wrote...

Couldnt agree more. I despise Chelsea but I would still rather they won than 'the Geordies of London'.

And you are right, it would really hurt if Woodgate came out waving a medal and was used as a stick to beat us.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | February 23, 2008 9:23 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

AV, don't spend too much time worring if Spurs will take our title of 'Most successful club outside the Big 4' as it will be short-lived once we lift the FA Cup this season.

Anyway hopefully Chelsea can grind out a dull 1-0 to further justify spending £600m to get a bit of glory.

Holgate Ender: If Spurs are the Geordies of London then does that make Newcastle the Cockney's of the North?

I'd love it if Cockney Lurker could let us know...

BTW: I fancy Boro to win against Liverpool as they will find it hard to raise themselves after all their midweek excitement.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | February 23, 2008 9:59 AM

Orange Dave wrote...

All so true... But then the Carling Cup and UEFA Cup have never attracted a massive amount of interest for teams not playing in them, and won't until one of the big 4 slips up and accidently lands itself with the only chance of that seasons silverware coming from either of these, then it will be media-fied to the nth degree.

I'd still rather be wishing us well rather than dishing out ill will (that inevitably comes to resemble poorly disguised jealousy) and focus on the fact that Boro look to have their best chance in years of winning a bigger and better cup that does get massive press coverage.

2 good workmanlike displays and a kind draw for the semi could see us at Wembley, feeling justifiably confident of victory due to a skillful attacking team that can beat anyone on its day, a propensity to raise its game given quality opposition and the chance to play, and with a strong record against the big four.

AV, If you could see into the future and the FA cup semi draw was against lower league opponents, would you swap Spurs place in the Carling Cup final for Boro's current cup position?

forget about Spurs, Come On Boro!

**AV writes: If you can guarantee me a semi-final against Bristol Rovers then aI would willingly trade you a place against Chelsea in the Carling Cup final.

Firstly because we have an atrocious record against Chelsea at Wembley, secondly because it will be an easier game - and we would win it - and thirdly because usually the FA Cup final comes with an excellent second prize.

Posted by: Orange Dave  | February 23, 2008 10:36 AM

Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono) wrote...

How much longer are you sad people going to keep harping on about winning the Carling Cup in 2004?

It is history now and it is hardly worth bragging about. These days it is a NOTHING cup no matter how you try to big up your only ever "trophy" win.

In this day and age, finishing in the top 4 of the league is far more reputable and noteworthy than winning this insignificant little trophy in which most teams play 2nd string players.

The fact that you keep refering to this tin pot cup win and your constant references to "Boro did not/do not get the praise they deserved" just goes to show Middlesbrough is a town full of (small minded) people with huge chips on their shoulders.

Get the Sarsons out!

Posted by: Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono)  | February 23, 2008 10:44 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Agree with all you say - and some others too. But mostly, I can't be bothered to care.

What happens at Wembley on Sunday is of much less significance to us than what we do at The Scousers today and what the other teams in the top half do to the teams in our Bottom Half League.

We need to make the most of our own results, as we have been doing, but one of the things that has characterised this season is that only Derby have been truly peeled off until now.

We need a couple of others to start a slide this weekend from which they won't recover.

Also - whilst it's nice to look back at the Carling Cup win and less so at Eindhoven (never mind the match feel the achievement) we should be more looking forward.

What about Wembley this season for us - so long as we secure our Prem future - and concentrate on that rather than on which of two mockney crews wins tomorrow.

Diablo

.......as opposed to Darlo which appears to have an infestation problem.

Posted by: John Powls  | February 23, 2008 11:57 AM

Smoggymaca wrote...

Diablo u plum, if you read the story he said the credit we deserved for going to the final of the UEFA Cup... .and I one for on e am proud to have won a tin cup.

It may be a cup supporters play down but one that each manager in the league would gladly take. and as for finishing in the top four that is an unrealistic target for a team of Middlesbrough's size with their revenue.

And how come your on here? Do Darlington not have a fans forum? Haven't Boro had to lend your club its team bus to travel to games and usually handing you youth players every two minutes at the drop of a hat.

This small club has been helping yours to exist on shoestring budget so don't bite the hand that feeds you, 'closet boro fan'

Posted by: Smoggymaca  | February 23, 2008 12:20 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Diablo Rojo

The answer is as long as we like because it is our site, our blog. The clue is in the title - Untypical Boro. Not 'ManU Reds who live in Darlington'.

AV is having a bit of fun but there is always truth in there, especially about the media. Living in Derby I get the Telegraph because it gives decent coverage of the Boro

Last Sunday there were two cup matches and both were live on TV yet there was not one word about Boro v Sheff U. I tell a lie because it showed in the upcoming fixtures section that we were playing.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 23, 2008 1:25 PM

Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono) wrote...

Dear Mr Telegraph reader,

If you lived nearer to your home town, maybe you would work with and have to put up with insufferable Boro fans as I do.

The Boro fans I have the misfortune to work with are the most deluded, hypocritical small time bunch I have ever had the misfortune to meet, and that includes the fatties up the road and the Red Bindippers.

Tara chuck!

Posted by: Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono)  | February 23, 2008 4:00 PM

kenny b wrote...

Woody is a traitor and should never be allowed back on Teesside. He should have kept his mouth shut.

Come on Chelsea.

Posted by: kenny b  | February 23, 2008 6:23 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Diablo

It is still our site, it is still called Untypical Boro, it is still not called ManU reds who live in Darlington. We can still post what we like.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 24, 2008 7:29 AM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

Super stuff Vic, haven't laughed as much for ages, until the daft lad from Darlo appears and then my sides really split. You always get at least one bite on your hook Vic don't you? The Lurker will be the second.

Diablo me old son, suggest you get another job mate if you can't stand being around us, or if you are a real Manc infesting Darlo, why not go back where you came from, I'm sure they'd love to have you, you'd fit in well with the rest of the arrogant so and so's at OT that call themselves fans.

But thanks for the laughs, it brightens my day reading your drivel.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | February 24, 2008 10:03 AM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

Chelsea to beat Tottenham today.
Boro to win the FA Cup.
That secenario would surely upset Mr. Woodgate....
P.S. Well done to all the Boro fans in the Arkle yesterday. It was how away games should be. Come on Boro.

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | February 24, 2008 10:57 AM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

ROTFLMAO! Why don't you tell us what you really think, Vic? Before I read your piece, I'd assumed I was the only one thinking such subversive (or do I mean uncharitable, English blood being thicker than club water & all that!) thoughts!

Apparently not... Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Chelsea stuff Spurs royally this afternoon, if only to make Woody eat his treacherous words!

Orange Dave has a point, though. Once upon a time, I'd have been shocked to find myself wishing failure on the likes of Bolton & Co, but that was before Boro's two UEFA Cup campaigns & there's no doubt that the green-eyed monster is looking over *my* shoulder whenever I look at the UEFA Cup results of other English clubs now, knowing Boro are no longer part of it!

Roll on Wednesday, when we can take another step along the long road back to the European glory days...

On the subject of the traitor, he seems to have quite a talent for opening his mouth & sticking his size whatevers in it: he succeeded in making himself a laughing stock in the eyes of the London evening freebies & the local TV news after telling a press conference that he thought London house prices were a joke & much higher than in the North East (he & his girlfriend have apparently been living in an hotel since he moved down & haven't yet been able to find anything they like at a "reasonable" price!).

Unsurprisingly, the local media found it hard to sympathise, being as he's on something like 60 grand a week, a helluva lot more than most fans earn in a year! What did he expect, for God's sake?

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | February 24, 2008 2:56 PM

John Powls wrote...

Well, there are many positives from yesterday to build on but we threw it away with five stupid mistakes of one sort or another.

I still believe there is a fundamental weakness in playing Arca and Rocky - the tippy-tappy twins - together in the centre of midfield.

They are too alike and rather than one compensating for the weakness of the other they magnify the combined weaknesses. One or other could play but just not the two of them.

As Gate said after the Sheff Utd game they try to play in the wrong part of the pitch and give it away. There are times when we need the back door locked and they just don't do it well enough.

Maybe that's where Shawky fits in the longer term.

Still, the rest of the results weren't too bad and we can only hope that we've got these daft errors out of our systems and we can build on the positives, starting in the replay on Wednesday.

I wonder if we can use that game to give Mido and Alves a half each and start with Alves. He badly needs game time - at present he just looks off the pace and lost.

We could do with getting him a goal soon otherwise we may end up with another goal-phobic like Simba.

I was pleased with what Gate said about Aliadiere's silliness in getting sent off - that his worst punishment now that we have strikers is that he'll struggle to get back in the team after his ban.

Posted by: John Powls  | February 24, 2008 3:12 PM

Si wrote...

The Carling Cup final has finished. What painful irony...

The only way we can keep Woody quiet is by winning the FA Cup. But that'll never happen, will it?

Posted by: Si  | February 24, 2008 5:43 PM

Richard wrote...

17:40hrs, Sunday, 24 February 2008:
Carling Cup Final

That worked out well then!

1. Tottingham won.

2. Woodgate scored the winner.

3. Woodgate picked up "man-of-the-match" award.

Priceless!

Remind me never to wish for anything ever again! Ever, ever, ever!!!

Oh - and "Congratulations" Jonathan.

**AV writes: You can see why I never win anything at the bookies. I'll have to start double bluffing.

Posted by: Richard  | February 24, 2008 6:13 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

That was a real Hagrid moment. In future please remember the saying 'every time I open my mouth some fool speaks'. Cream or custard with the pie of the humble variety?

**AV writes: I wasn't predicting what would happen. I was saying what I wanted to happen. So, I never got what I wanted. I've long ago got used to that.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 24, 2008 7:18 PM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Congratulations to Spurs and Woodgate.

Guys, I wouldn't take any of Woody's comments too personally. Ramos is a great manager. I think he's every bit as good as Ferguson and Wenger (maybe better) because he took a small Spanish club and turned them into a European force.

Southgate hasn't done that (yet!), but he's learning his trade solidly, and the Boro are slowly but surely becoming a stronger team.

It speaks volumes for how far we've come when most of the posters on here felt we could go to Anfield (Anfield!) and get a result...and after watching the highlights, it looked like we were justified in believing that.

Now we've got to put Sheff Utd. away. Come on lads!

By the way, for any ex-pats like me who don't get to hear the dulcet tones of the Boro accent too often...go to youtube and search for "Teesside Tin Tin". It's a little blue (don't say I didn't warn you), but it's pretty funny.

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | February 24, 2008 8:57 PM

Ken wrote...

Back to Boro...

... I watched the match on TV, and it seemed simply a case of MFC made one more mistake than LFC.

The one thing that stood out was that a constant undercurrent of indiscipline in our team came bubbling to the surface.

Sure the referee missed half of the handbags, but Macherano getting a red card in addition to Aliadiere's would still not change the fact that under McClaren, we were candidates for the European Fair Play award, while under Southgate, we are candidates for the Keane-Savage Hospital Staffing Award.

I would be surprised not to see a Gazette article about this phenomenon this week...

**AV writes: I touched on the card count and physicality last week and rated it as a strength in that Boro are no longer a soft-centred pushover but there is a downside, especially when the squad is so small.

Posted by: Ken  | February 24, 2008 10:06 PM

bob wrote...

Well it wasn't to be AV - but of more importance was the fact that both Reading and Bolton lost yesterday. Let's keep our eye on the ball here!

Posted by: bob  | February 24, 2008 10:12 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Oh well AV, at least you can say that Spurs needed the manager of the team who masterminded the defeat of Boro in the UEFA Cup Final, along with MOTM performance from a Boro lad.

Though I'm wondering if we should all put a tenner on Spurs to win the UEFA Cup to act as a bit of insurance against it happening.

Anyway, you could say Spurs, at least in terms of spending, are a pseudo top 4 club - plus they finished 5th the previous 2 seasons.

It was also a pity that despite a good performance at Anfield Boro contrived to defeat themselves - it could have been 4-1 to the Boro afterall.

It's not the first time Arca has put the defence in trouble when he's facing his own goal - is it the curse of the captaincy striking again?

Still at least the weekend wasn't all bad - Newcastle are continuing their push for the Championship with great consistency - What odds on Dennis Wise being at the helm for his second successive relegation?

Posted by: Werdermouth  | February 25, 2008 9:21 AM

James Emmerson wrote...

As far as Woodgate goes, the fact is that he seems to be one of those who goes through life landing on his feet.

I mean, not many clubs would have stuck by him after the court case but who signed him on? Real Madrid. (I recall seeing a photo of the press conference, with a caption coming out of the president's mouth, as a whisper, to the manager, saying "I didn't know Patrick Vieira was white").

What did Woody do on his debut (delayed by injury for a year by the way)? Score an own goal. Does all of this affect his career? Not a bit of it.

He gets picked up by his home-town club, revives his reputation, and plays well...then the injuries and loss of form, he gets another big-money move to London, plays in a Wembley final and inadvertently scores the winner.

You watch, he'll get injured again, lose his place to Tom Huddlestone, and get signed by AC Milan.

Point is, did we get shot of him at the right time? Did Boro do well out of Woodgate overall. I think the answers have to be yes and yes.

Another thing - clearly others have noticed, like I have, that Boro have more bookings this season than Keith Harris & Orville at the Town Hall. I don't have the stats but I think there has only been one match this season when no Boro player has been booked.

AV, firstly is this correct and secondly what size of fine do we face if the card count continues to mount?

And thirdly do you hope as I do that they continue to get stuck in?!

**AV writes: Boro have 60 yellows now but that was the first red. We are second in the bad boys table behind Blackburn.

I applaude the new physicality and the lack of reds (Blackburn and Chelsea just behind have five each) show that it is controlled and goes up to the line but rarely beyond it. Boro are no long a soft touch.


Posted by: James Emmerson  | February 25, 2008 9:22 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

Many of us wanted it to happen but like John Powls I am a bit superstitious. Thinking it is one thing, saying it is tempting fate.

It is probably because we are older than you and the term supporting Boro through thin and thinner means wafer thin at times.

Many moons ago I would have supported Spurs on the basis of underdog. Since our latest sojourn in the premiership my views have changed. Each match has its own strategic importance and I find I have a definite view on the result I want to see. On balance apart from our own result the weekend was good for us with defeats for Fulham, Blunderland, Bolton, Toon and Reading.

Brum got a good point but I would like to say that I wish Eduardo a speedy recovery from his horrific injury. I am pleased Wenger retracted his comments about Taylor, it was a poor challenge but it didnt look malice. Huths was worse at Mansfield, even worse were the cynical kicks and raking of people by Eboue and co.

On to us, as John says the tippy tappy twins are always likely to surrender possession in poor positions. When they are good they can terrorise defences, come to think of they do the same when they play poorly but sadly at the wrong end. The weight Arca got on his header to Torres was only matched by that on his pass to Downing.

Let us hope we dont have a happy, gloating press to contend with on Thursday. It has been bad enough hearing about Spurs without more gloating. I dont actually mind Spurs but the media do go on about them, at least I wont be at work surrounded by them.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 25, 2008 9:31 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Well Done Johnny Woodgate, You saved us last season and all the best- We did get paid for him remember.

AV wishing misery on people from Boro leaving is a bit old school , have an Earl Grey and calm down old boy. Football moves on- I agree with the fact that the Boro trip to Eindhoven was completely overshadowed though!

Much more important was how the Liverpool game panned out. We could of had them!!!! Fernddo Torres is a top player and his presence had our lads at 6s and7s.

Memories of his equaliser at the Riverside haunted us and then his goals amplified that so much so that Swartz who is playing well [ great save from Gerrard onto the post by the way] had to run out and try and help Wheater out before Torres got there with his pace.

Talking about pace we are getting out of Alliadierre so much at the moment not just goals - shame Tuncay was offside before he passed it to the Frenchman to slam it home passed Pepe Reina - but running the channels and pushing Deffences back with speedy runs.

Alliadierre together with Tuncay's pace not to mention Downing's pace make it very difficult for opposing teams to live with. Loosing Alliadierre as a result of that red card could be more costly than we all think.

Tuncay and Alliadierre are our only really fit strikers,sorry Dong Gook I am not counting you. Well Alves it may be your turn to take up the baton.

MORE DISCIPLINE REQUIRED SOUTHGATE.

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | February 25, 2008 10:12 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Another good performance and but for 2 individual errors we would have got something from the game.

We must have played well as even Hansen had good things to say about Boro on MOTD

After we all got the cup draw totally wrong I decided to look into the future and decide who would be relegated.

End of season points
Boro 43
Reading 37
Bolton 36
Sunderland 35
Newcastle 35
Wigan 34
Birmingham 32
Fulham 30
Derby 9

C'mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 25, 2008 12:05 PM

Orange Dave wrote...

C'est La Vie!

AV, Can we now please have a small piece on how you'd hate to see Boro win the FA Cup?

Now on to more important matters, and I couldn't agree more with Ignorant - We Could (and Should) Have Had 'Em!

Pressing the self distruct button - Twice! (Thrice if you count Ali's fly swatting) in an otherwise very good display, where Aliadiere and Tuncay looked to be our most creative and dangerous strikers, and far more threatening than Alves or Mido when they came on. If there ever was a match for the 'if only...' comment to be used, that was it.

I'm assuming Ali's ban will not come soon enough for wed's match, so assuming Tuncay will start, does GS continue with Ali, or give Alves or Mido a run out, as they both still have a lot of running to do before they're match fit?

Posted by: Orange Dave  | February 25, 2008 12:41 PM

DAVE CONNOR wrote...

Great game to watch on Saturday, pity about the clangers, but a good overall performance.

I think the verdict on Alves will be out for a very long time, because wether he is match fit or not, he has not made one move in his three "appearances" to show that he worth 12 million pounds, at he moment he looks very mediocre to say the least.

I will give credit to Roch this week, he deserved it, and it must have been Downings best game for some time.
The Carling Cup and Woodgates performances for SPURS to date, it must be something in the southern air, not missed a minute yet, surely his "cramp" after 70 mins for many BORO games was just an excuse to get of the park. Want to bet that the same happens at spurs, I dont think so?

Irrespective wether the BORO got there money back or not we still had to pay his wages, for part time employment, At least he got his wish "I am leaving to win things" I bet he never knew it would be so soon.

Posted by: DAVE CONNOR  | February 25, 2008 1:02 PM

Never Happy wrote...

I can not believe that Boro are not appealing over Aliadiere's sending off.

If the FA fail to quash any appeal they will have to retrospectively red card Mascherano as he was the instigator and was as violent as Aliadiere.

How about a starting 11 of Scwarzer, Young, Huth, Pogo, Grounds, Downing, Shawky, O'Neill, Tuncay, Mido and Alves against Sheff U.

Play a 4 - 3 - 3 and really take the game to the Blades.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 25, 2008 1:22 PM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

Two more goals disallowed on Saturday to add to the one against the Barcodes & others... :( Just as a matter of interest, Vic, is anyone keeping a running total for the season? I'd be curious to know.

And I hope to God there aren't any more that could have made a difference to the outcome on Wednesday evening!

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | February 25, 2008 1:38 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Never Happy

It was instructive to hear the MOTD pundits say they couldnt believe how relaxed Gate was over the Aliadiere sending off.

A scouse fan I spoke to thought it was quite clever how 'cheeky' Mascherano was, a bit of a laugh was his view. Not my idea of prime time comedy.

What we do know is the FA wont do anything about it. Oddly the assistant referee (humbug) was stood ten feet away and must have seen the whole incident because all the fans behind him did. I just wish we could do what Rugby does and look at all these incidents because Sky and BBC can provide the evidence.

Sorry, back on my soap box again.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 25, 2008 2:20 PM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

AV,

I know what you mean about never winning anything at the bookies !

My comments yesterday morning about Chelsea to win the League Cup bit me on the bum big style.

Mr. Woodgate will no doubt be somewhat smug for a long time to come. I expect to hear things like 'Big Club' and 'Real Manager' to emerge in the press in the next week or so. Anyway, good luck to him, just hope he keeps it to himself.....

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | February 25, 2008 2:24 PM

mark j wrote...

We all make mistakes and Arca's and Swartzers were for a good reason , tring to stop speedy Torres having another chance on goal , he dosnt put them all away but as they say in chess the threat is as effective as the attack.

Alliadieres and Tuncays pace did the same for us against Blackburn as well as periods against Liverpool.
Mascerano knew he was in a game and that is why he started trouble-handbags

Alliadierre should be used as much as possible in a high energy attack until his ban kicks in. A speedy attack ensures the opposition defence get deeper as they cant out run the attack which in turn advances our midfield.

I think the Red card at anfield summed up the game as a whole and I had to sedate myself afterwards! Aliadin is payed to stay calm, I remember when players started with Thierry Henry , he would punish them with his football.
Up the Boro.

Posted by: mark j  | February 25, 2008 3:19 PM

lauren wrote...

Boro did well at Anfield but there were silly mistakes. At least they scored two goals which they don't often do.

They seem to be showing more of the interviews from boro on match of the day and they talk about boro more now since we are doing better. I hope it continues!

I am going to the FA cup match on Wednesday so i hope we can get through. We should be able to beat Cardiff although it will probably be difficult.

Who ever they get after Cardiff will probably be tough then but if we play like we played against Arsenal then we could beat the bigger clubs. I hope Alves starts on Wednesday now Ali is banned.

come on boro!

Posted by: lauren  | February 25, 2008 4:28 PM

Rich Evans wrote...

Gareth Southgate needs to rethink his stance on the Aliadiere red card on Saturday.

The manager's general decency and integrity are assets not shared with many in his position and remain a huge credit to the club, but he can afford to, and indeed must, hold a firmer line here.

Aliadiere was not even silly in his reaction to Mascherano's goading, which in itself was not harmful and worthy of no more than a 'get on with it' from the referee.

It is all to easy, even sanctimonious, to hold the PL and FIFA party line that 'he raised a hand and had to go.'
What nonsense.

The incident occured at the end of a pulsating and fair natured clash in front of 40,000 fans, was over in a second and if ignored by the ref would have been instantly forgotten by everyone not least two participants.

It could be argued that it was the Liverpool player who raised his hand to Ali's chin an that Ali's swat was that alone.

Last week Arsenal's william Gallas was let off the hook by the FA for deliberately kicking MU's Nani, presumably in annoyance and embarrasment after the United player's ball juggling display near the end of the FA Cup tie.

The two incidents do not bear comparison. For the FA to uphold the sending off as the letter of the law is crass, ill considered and wrong. There has to be a measure of common sense applied retrospectively here.

Mark Lawrenson on MotD saw nothing wrong here. Any Sunday league player dismissed similarly would likely to retire immediately in a convulsion of uttter disbelief and lack of comprehension of the laws and spirit of the game.

For the FA to act in a craven manner and hope it all goes away is not new. For Middlesbrough and our likeable and swiftly improving young manager to do likewise is unforgiveable.

It's wrong. It stank on Saturday and stinks just as much now. Come on Boro, do something about it.

Posted by: Rich Evans  | February 25, 2008 5:11 PM

Big Boro Bonga wrote...

Alarmed to report a serious loss of sense of humour up the road by the bonny banks of the Tyne!

I sent a post to the Chronic-le earlier which read:
"hello bonny lads. I was very touched to see the little ceremony on Sat when Sir Bobby Robson unveiled a bust of himself. I hope your board aren't thinking of doing likewise for all your managers - you'll need an entrance hall the length of Sid James's Park to display them all.

"And was the reason they didn't do a full-figure statue of Sir Bobby because the knife sticking out of his back (inserted by one F.Shepherd) may be upsetting to some?"

This jaunty little observation was savagely edited before it went on their blog...

**AV writes: It is a bit provocative but I wouldn't censor that. That said, the editorial position of other blogs and forums are for them to decide.

Posted by: Big Boro Bonga  | February 25, 2008 7:17 PM

lauren wrote...

Good news , Boro are going to appeal against Ali's red card! It said in Sky Sports News. Hopefully Aliadiere will be playing against sheffield!

AV Do you think it was a harsh decision?

**AV writes: Yes, he was done up like a kipper but must learn not to rise to provocation. I'd be be surprised if it is overturned but you never know.

Posted by: lauren  | February 25, 2008 7:33 PM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

"Chris from Beverley wrote:

[...]

Mr. Woodgate will no doubt be somewhat smug for a long time to come. I expect to hear things like 'Big Club' and 'Real Manager' to emerge in the press in the next week or so. Anyway, good luck to him, just hope he keeps it to himself....."

I'm afraid your hopes are dashed already! He couldn't resist - quote from him in this evening's 'London Lite' (freebie):

"He's just a top, top manager, isn't he? It can't be luck. All the lads love him."

*rolls eyes* I can hardly bear to read all the gloating...

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | February 25, 2008 9:02 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Rich Evans

I suspect that the time frame to appeal has already expired.

Mark j

Arca's mistake was not trying to stop Torres getting another chance, it was the first and the source of inspiration for Torres. As for Schwarz I have long said that keepers mistake are more visible than other players and so it proved.

The fact is it is points down the pan. It probably will make little difference to our final position in the table but it is miffing in the same way as our dismal performance against Citeh last year was depressing.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 25, 2008 9:52 PM

Richard wrote...

Rich Evans:

For Evans' sake! They heard you!

Well done!

Now, can you please post on here that they must win against Sheffield United on Wednesday - or else!

Thanks Rich!

Posted by: Richard  | February 25, 2008 10:01 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

So the club did appeal in time. I think it is the right decision which more than could be said of the likely outcome of the appeal.

I would be very surprised if they didnt back the referees decision. I think commonsense and the injustice that the cause got away scot free wont cut any ice with the panel.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 26, 2008 7:19 AM

jiffy wrote...

AV Your description of Ali as being done up like a kipper is spot on and superbly highlights his naivety.

I thought only mistaken identity was now grounds for appeal - in which case there seems little point. If it was done to delay his ban then that has failed too as I have heard it will be dealt with today.

And if we think its the only way to get Mascherano done too then I doubt that will work as the only retrospective action is taken when the ref doesn't see it and that can hardly apply in this case.

What worries me is that so many people seem to think tomorrow is a foregone conclusion. With Ali out its difficult to see a goal coming from anywhere else. Tuncay looks good alongside him but not otherwise. Mido looks like he is almost back to fitness but frankly he needs the kind of long ball football that Boro play very poorly. As for Alves - he looks like he hasnt kicked a ball for 6 years not 6 weeks!

Beattie worries me - I cant recall him ever failing to score when he comes to the Riverside - usually twice in the game! No Wheater - is Huth back or will it be Pogi and Riggott? Pogi hasnt looked too good the last couple of games back in the middle.

He needs to get his head back on central defensding and not on the flank. We need to be right on our game tomorrow - no thinking about Reading on Saturday - the job is not done yet.

Posted by: jiffy  | February 26, 2008 12:04 PM

gt wrote...

Maybe Ali should have fallen down in agony,writhing around clutching every part of his body. I know a few, lets say big stars, who might have thought about it

Posted by: gt  | February 26, 2008 1:17 PM

bradinho wrote...

Any blog on Stewey's new contract AV?

What about the comments hinting at a lack of ambition - I hope these are swept under the carpet - we don't need any more of these after Woody and The Yak....

Posted by: bradinho  | February 26, 2008 2:52 PM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

Frivolous - lacking a serious purpose, pleasure-loving.

What planet is the F.A. on ?

Hello - Earth calling the F.A.

How dare they give Ali an extra game ban for being frivolous. Well here is another Oxford Dictionary word for them:

BUFOONS

And to a certain Liverpool player - CHEAT.

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | February 26, 2008 4:10 PM

Richard wrote...

Not only does Mascherano get away with provocative behaviour, but Aliadiere is given an additional 1-match ban for a "frivolous" appeal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/middlesbrough/7263735.stm

Maybe MFC should have listened to Gareth's initial judgement and not been influenced by the "wise" views of commentators and pundits.

Anyone know if Mascherano is in the same hospital as Eduardo?

Posted by: Richard  | February 26, 2008 4:15 PM

Never Happy wrote...

News from the FA

At a Regulatory Commission hearing today, a claim for wrongful dismissal from Middlesbrough's Jeremie Aliadiere was rejected.

The Commission decided that the claim was frivolous and increased Aliadiere's suspension from three matches to four matches as a result with immediate effect.

Aliadiere was shown a red card for violent conduct following an incident during the second half of Middlesbrough's match against Liverpool on 23 February.

This ruling sums up why the FA are such a laughing stock.

Maschareno no punishment and Aliadiere a four game ban.

Was what Aliadiere did any different to what Eboue did to Pogo early this season?

What a bunch of $£%&*^$

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 26, 2008 4:23 PM

stockton red wrote...

The Aliadiere decision today is enough to make your blood boil.If the ref saw the full incident then Mascherano had to be given either a red for violent conduct or a yellow for ungentenmanly conduct.

If he did not see Mascherano's part in it why are the F.A. not taking action against him?

How can any tribunal looking at this incident prescribe a 4 game penalty for one and nothing for the other because they were equally guilty?

The game has gone totally bananas.

Posted by: stockton red  | February 26, 2008 4:25 PM

Never Happy wrote...

It would be nice if someone from the FA explained the logic behaind Aliadiere being banned for four games, whilst Martin Taylor is only banned for three games.

Eduardo is out for a minimum of nine months, Mascherano not even knocked off his stride.

I posted that I was suprised that the club had not made an appeal against the sending off, they like me will now have wished that they had not. Others posted it was going to be a waste of time and have been proved right.

Is this part of the FAs ploy to try and stop Boro from winning the Fa Cup?

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 26, 2008 4:52 PM

Abu Dhabi Cliff wrote...

Just found out that Ali has had his ban increased to four games because, quote: "the FA considered his claim for wrongful dismissal frivolous"" WHAT!?

So Masc gets off scot free because he plays for one of the so-called big four? Boro should keep on appealing so the FA keep on increasing the ban my one game every time. If they`re going to make a mockery of the whole thing then lets take it to the extreme.

Meanwhile Gallas gets away with kicking Nani due to lack of evidence.

One rule for the rich.......

Posted by: Abu Dhabi Cliff  | February 26, 2008 4:56 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

In case anyone was in doubt, the FA have proved themselves to be totally out of touch with reality.

They increased Aliadiere's ban to 4 games because Boro had the cheek to appeal against his red card - This follows a general consensus by most pundits that it was a harsh red card.

How can they deem a 'get lost gesture' of a slap - that wouldn't in a million years cause the slightest of injury - worthy of a whopping tenth of the season ban.

Violent Conduct! Have they noticed the plethora of deliberate violent tackles that are potentially career ending escaping with at most a yellow card?

It's a complete joke and I'm sure it's just more of the double-standards that are underming their credibility.

I'm also surprised they didn't deduct Boro 3 points for good measure.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | February 26, 2008 5:01 PM

captain K wrote...

well well well, Ali got a 4 game ban eh? I must say we must have some grounds to take the premier league or FA to court sometime the amount of unfair treatment we get for not being southern...............

Posted by: captain K  | February 26, 2008 5:06 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Well, well, well.

I emailed John Powls this afternoon getting him to rate on a score of 1-5 how likely the appeal was to succeed. 1 was highly unlikely, 5 was not a bloody chance. John reckoned it would be a 6 with a joking reference to the fact they might stick another match for a frivolous appeal.

I had to speak to my scouse colleague who though it harsh, when I said they wouldnt have done it to Gerrard his response was they wouldnt have sent him off in the first place.

I really love the FA.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 26, 2008 6:36 PM

Paul Bell wrote...

big daft bonga.. why do you feel the need to go to other clubs blog sites to wind people up?

Enough people on here moan about rival fans coming onto this blog yet its the half wits like you that attract them here.

Why does he feel the need to tell people on this blog what an idiot he has been on other blogs? Does he want a medal or something? Or is he just a few sarnies short of a full picnic basket ?

Posted by: Paul Bell  | February 26, 2008 7:05 PM

London-based Boro fan wrote...

Damn, damn, damn (I could have put it more strongly...)!

"Aliadière ban extended after “frivolous” appeal to FA

Evening Gazette, 26 Feb 2008

Boro striker, Jérémie Aliadière, has been handed a four-match ban after having his appeal against the red card he received at Liverpool rejected.

The Frenchman was sent off by referee, Lee Mason, at Anfield on Saturday after aiming a slap at Javier Mascherano, who had earlier appeared to make contact with his face in an off-the-ball incident.

Boro appealed on the grounds that the offence did not amount to violent conduct. But a regulatory commission today rejected the claim as “frivolous” and increased the mandatory three-match ban for the offence to four.

A Football Association statement said: “At a regulatory commission hearing today, a claim for wrongful dismissal from Middlesbrough’s Jérémie Aliadière was rejected.

"The commission decided that the claim was frivolous and increased Aliadière’s suspension from three matches to four matches as a result with immediate effect.

"Aliadière was shown a red card for violent conduct following an incident during the second half of Middlesbrough’s match against Liverpool on 23 February.”

The decision means Aliadière will miss tomorrow night’s FA Cup fifth-round replay against Sheffield United and the three games which follow it. It is understood referee Mason saw the full incident, but decided not to penalise Mascherano for his contribution."

* Frivolous? How did the stupid fools work that one out? Then again, it was the FA... *rolls eyes*

** Sorry about the mysterious appearance of the French accents (I know the 'Gazette' never bothers, but I read French at uni & just *had* to put them in! ;)

Posted by: London-based Boro fan  | February 26, 2008 7:54 PM

Anthony Hancock wrote...

Jiffy, your negativity is astounding, We will beat Sheffield United by 4 clear goals. You mark my words.

Posted by: Anthony Hancock  | February 26, 2008 7:56 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Still think the appeal was worth a try?

When Ian and I were exchanging e-mails earlier today he asked how I rated our chances of getting Aliadiere's ban reduced or overturned on a scale of 1 to 5 where 1 was No Chance and 5 was 'Hell Will Freeze Over First.'

I thought I was tongue in cheek when I replied that I'd score it 6 on the grounds that the appeal panel could rate it as a frivolous appeal and increase the ban.

I thought Ian was joking too when he texted me back to say that's what had happened.

What prompted my comment was that I couldn't believe that any appeal had a chance of succeeding. What were the grounds?

It couldn't have been provocation - that never excuses the retaliation and the best you could hope for is to get Mascherano a ban but what good does that do us?

It couldn't be that it didn't happen or the ref misjudged what he saw because it did and he didn't. The video evidence confirmed that Aliadiere slapped Mascherano - handbags though it was.

It couldn't be that slapping someone isn't a sending off offence - everyone knows it is.

And it couldn't be that the three game ban for a red card is disproportionate - it can't be since it's absolutely standard for a red card.

So what was the argument that was advanced? Why appeal at all unless you were just chancing your arm - as you seemed to be suggesting, AV.

It was also obvious that the FA were going to back their ref. 110% and Gate's remarks about suffering from young and inexperienced (pot and kettle, Gate?) ref's must have helped no end.

In the circs what did we expect? A 'frivolous' verdict was waiting to happen since a panel would think that they had been dragged along to rule on an appeal which had no grounds. And of course the FA are well known for being on our side.

I heard The Count being interviewed on 5 Live tonight about this. His singularly unimpressive argument was that it couldn't be frivolous because the club had thought a lot about it between Saturday and yesterday when they lodged the appeal so they couldn't have just been taking a punt.

But that's not the point - it's not what's in your head but in the panel's that important. What are the precedents and how have they reacted in similar instances before.

He was asked if they'd taken professional advice but the only opinions he quoted were that they'd listened to the pundits on MotD on Saturday evening and what journalists had said on Sunday and Monday.

All of them thought it was harsh so we went ahead seemed to be The Counts argument. Since when have pundits and journos been the arbiters of or advisors on the FA Disciplinary Appeals Panel?

He never said they'd taken proper legal advice and I suspect that's because they hadn't.

He then went on to argue that the club appealed not the player so the player shouldn't be punished.

But that's not the rules. Did he expect them to change the rules just for us? And if it wasn't the player punished then was he suggesting the club was? How? By docking us points?

This was a crass misjudgement which stands to damage us even more than Aliadiere's original folly.

This smacks of the same sort of amateurism that got us docked points and relegated for calling off a match when we weren't entitled to. It strikes me those two decisions probably came from the same source. The Count.

In the same interview there was more claptrap about supporting - and continuing to support - the 39th game farrago even though it's now officially dead in the water.

The Count did at least own up to representing MFC at the Prem meeting when the idiotic scheme got dreamt up in the little lucre bubble they all inhabit. And he confirmed that he voted for it.

Stewie was also interviewed about his contract signing and he confirmed that, although he could see the corner now even if we weren't quite turning it yet, we weren't the only ones who thought that ambition died at Eindhoven and where we should have kicked on we went backwards.

Ahh - there's nothing like a good old rant!!



Posted by: John Powls  | February 26, 2008 8:30 PM

Andy, the Hague wrote...

Anthony - sure you will start something new about the Aliadiere verdict but maybe you'll transfer this. This is what I wrote to the FA (aptly named) this evening as I sit raging in my hotel room in Oslo(City of the Nobel Peace Prize)...

.....

"How typical of the FA to make it so difficult to complain (the only way to message the FA is by registering).

" It really is time you came to the realisation that you are an organisation for all the people of football and not just the select few.

"Your bias in matters such as the Aliadiere case is beyond comprehension. Had West Ham, for instance, submitted such an appeal, I am 100% sure the outcome would have been wholly different.

"Last season's despicable treatment of Sheffield United to the huge benefit of West Ham was a prime example - West Ham clearly transgressed the FA rules but were allowed to escape relegation at the expense of the Sheffield.

"Boro, unsurprisingly, were not so lucky - they received an unwarranted deduction of 3 points for missing a game, which was not rescinded on appeal and which ensured relegation.

"Not only West Ham though, there are precedents elsewhere in times past where clubs have clearly transgressed FA rules (far more serious transgressions than Middlesbrough’s incidently), suffered a punishment of points deduction only to have the punishment rescinded on appeal.

"I can only express my disgust at the unilateral and unjustified action of your so-called tribunal in the Aliadiere case.

"I seriously doubt you even viewed the footage of the incident. Had you done so, you would surely have come to the conclusion that if Aliadiere deserved his marching orders, then so did Mascherano who after all struck the first 'blow'.

"It seems we haven't heard anything about that, but then I wouldn't have expected we would, given the club that Mascherano plays for. I would be very interested to hear the FA party line on that, if only for amusement!

"Were I to become as ridiculous as your tribunal, I should recommend that Boro pull out of the FA Cup in protest - but then again, it would probably result in a 15 point deduction…and by the way, don’t mistake me for a ‘FAN’, the only reason I registered was to be able to complain…"

Posted by: Andy, the Hague  | February 26, 2008 9:30 PM

coggins wrote...

And so the clowns at the FA add to their ever growing catalogue of incompetence and dodgy decisions.

Conspiracy to see Boro fail (3pts, McLaren palava ahead of UCF and now this tosh) or just the usual fashionable club hypocrisy?

Probably the latter - but someone needs to remind them that professional football really ought to be contested on a level playing field. The thing which particularly gets my goat is that nothing happens to address these injustices and inconsistencies - the Sheff U (northern, unfashionable) vs Sir Trevor's West Ham (they won the world cup you know) debacle should've been the watershed.

Here's hoping we get to Wembley and the opportunity to at least vent spleen in full public gaze.

Posted by: coggins  | February 26, 2008 10:05 PM

tim from sa wrote...

Another howler from the FA i did not expect any different. At the wrong end of the map.

I dont think anything would have been said if they had gone with the ref but no its Boro we can realy flex our arms and increase the ban - and tell the club that pay their wages they were stupid to appeal. now that was realy diplomatic.

It is time for the clubs to have a go at the FA and tell who realy is in charge they just keep getting away with it.

As for tonight 3-1 Boro come on Boro will watching from afar

Posted by: tim from sa  | February 27, 2008 8:50 AM

robin mitton wrote...

Hello AV,

BORO v PSG in the UEFA Cup just became a distinct possibility after we beat Auxerre to get to the French Cup Final.

Better start researching wholesale beer prices! Oh dear me and my big mouth...still I will be rooting for the lads to shine tonight and bang a few in against the Blades.

See ya!

Robin Mitton
FOOTBALL FOR NATIONS Ltd

Posted by: robin mitton  | February 27, 2008 10:03 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

So once again the FA try to urinate on our parade!

Make an example of Aladin in the light of the Edwardo tackle then ante up when it comes to the amount of games he misses.

The FA is the common enemy to English football and this farcical ruling will resonate with many , and not just Boro fans. There is much more I want to say but it would have to be edited.......

Mido and Alves your time is now , go for it!

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | February 27, 2008 10:54 AM

mark j wrote...

It seems that when the FA look at the Boro they cant help these two inner thoughts 'Four legs good, two legs bad' and 'Some animals are more equal than others'

Posted by: mark j  | February 27, 2008 11:20 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Joke of the day

FA spokesman Mark Cooper today declined to comment directly on Boro’s reaction but explained that under a FIFA edict, red cards can’t be downgraded to yellow and insisted every club is treated equally.

Lets hope this has fired up the team and crowd for tonight.

C'Mon Boro lets really *"$$ off the FA and march on all the way to Wembley

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 27, 2008 12:31 PM

Bodger The Lodger wrote...

BORO v PSG in the UEFA Cup just became a distinct possibility after we beat Auxerre to get to the French Cup Final.

WE???????

You glory hunting nutcase.

Posted by: Bodger The Lodger  | February 27, 2008 1:17 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Last week I looked through all of the fixtures that the teams at the bottom had and predicted the following: (the changes after the weekend are in brackets)

Boro 43 (40)
Reading 37 (40)
Bolton 36 (35)
Sunderland 35 (33)
Newcastle 35 (36)
Wigan 34 (35)
Birmingham 32 (34)
Fulham 30 (30)
Derby 9 (10)


Boro struggle at home because of our inability to break teams down.

We are better away from home when teams attack us.
So don’t be surprised if we get points from away games that we might not expect.

I also think that 38 points will definitely be enough to stay up this season (35 if my predictions come true)

C’Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 3, 2008 11:20 AM

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