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Redcar Rock Close To Signing

Posted by on February 5, 2008 11:38 AM | 

NERVE settling news come from Hurworth that the Redcar Rock David Wheater is close to signing a new contract with Boro.

The man out straight out of the Tony Mowbray mould is the new idol of the crowd because he exhibits all the old attributes that were demanded from the Holgate - grit, bravery, commitment, physicality, a TS post-code, a willingness to take a knock and a burning pride in the shirt - but is completely comfortable doing the retro ruthless no-nonsense thing on the shiny sophisticated stage of the star-studded Premiership.

It is a very important signing for the club. After the departure of Woodgate - in itself made possible by the emergence of this fledgling talent - it was acutely pressing that Wheater did not somehow wriggle away, which was always possible. Out of contract and suddenly thrust into the spotlight by a string of steely performances and a name-check from the new England boss Fabio Capello he was suddenly hot property and wide open to an head-turning big money approach from one of the glamour boys.

Not that I think for a second he would go. Wheats is Boro through and through. If any Boro player was to be revealed as having the club crest tattooed on his heart it would be him. Whenever you talk to him he is genuinely chuffed to be playing for the club.

“We’re a long way down the line with that,� Gareth Southgate told the Gazette today . “We’ve actually got a couple of meetings with David and his dad lined up in the next few weeks.

“David wants to be here, he’s made that clear, and it’s just a case of finalising things. We’re obviously very, very happy with what he’s doing.�

Now we must get Stewy sorted too - out-fox his agent, come to a compromise, give him the dosh, whatever it takes to get it resolved - and then the major components are in place and we can turn to a summer of strengthening (a keeper, another frontman, cover at full-back) rather than fire-fighting and we can see exactly what this team is capable of next term.

**

I WAS '"building the brand" on Radio Tees last night, rambling at length to Bob Fischer on the chaotically entertaining Gobstopper show. In passing we talked about Stewy, Woody, Wheats, referees that look like Jasper Carrott, the emotional instability at the heart of the eighth biggest club in the world and the hysterical hyperbole and unsustainable expectations surrounding Sky's economically distorted version of football. Oh, and we swapped recipes and I span some cutting edge discs that I was gutted to find one listener liked to 'Chas and Dave'.

If you have nothing better to do you can check it out on Radio Tees 'listen again' feature. I start about an hour in and rant for an hour or so.

Comments (36)

tonyblack wrote...

Fantastic ! A really great local prospect who has had an inch perfect start and who can absolutely go all the way as long as he continues to work hard and avoid the many pitfalls that come with fame and fortune.

Well done lad. All the very best for the future. Your contract is fully deserved.

Take some advice ! If possible, stay away from agents and try and get your mum or dad, or another close member of the family to represent you.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | February 5, 2008 2:48 PM

Phil McThomas wrote...

Great news. It makes a lot of sense to stay with the Boro. What would be the harm of another four years of first-time Premiership experience, even if his ultimate ambitions lay with the Big Four?

Vic: Is Alves actually training with the Boro now? I didn't hear that he got his visa and made it to Teessdide Airport.

**AV writes: No, he'll be in tomorrow.

Posted by: Phil McThomas  | February 5, 2008 4:37 PM

Dennis Wilson wrote...

Great blog as usual A.V, also delighted that Alves has his permit now, hopefully a near to full house at the weekend, fingers crossed Alves starts!! (and scores a hat trick of course)

As for wheats, hey he's one of us, couse he will stay! He seems to get as much pleasure playing for the Boro as I or anyone of us do

c'mon Boro, lets flatten Fulham

Posted by: Dennis Wilson  | February 5, 2008 4:54 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" c'mon Boro, lets flatten Fulham "

Agreed ! But I think that this will be a very tough game indeed as Fulham have made some good signings, their tails are up and they have a glimmer of hope - especially with a win here.

This really will be a cup final type game for them so we must be absolutely ready for them from the off.

To win, which we absolutely can and must do, we must really have the right attitude and expect to have to really battle all the way for the win.

If we take Fulham lightly I think we could well get beat.

Absolutely nothing to fear, but nothing to take lightly either.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | February 5, 2008 7:05 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Getting Wheater signed up should be straightforward with his Dad acting, the club must not take advantage of the situation and have to give him a fair deal. That will show that agents are not compulsory.

Downing is going to be trickier now that he is out of the England 23. He is clearly talking to Woodie who was brought back into the England squad as soon as he played for Spurs.

I have long advocated Joe Cole play in the hole or alongside a striker. His trickery was always wasted out on the wing, space and time he created was in part lost by the need to turn back onto his right foot. Tricks need to played around their penalty area not on the half way line or own half (please pass this message on to Mr Arca).

The downside is the fact Stewie has dropped down the pecking order, Young has burst onto the scene and Bentley will provide dead ball expertise. If they prosper Downing could be in the international wilderness for some time.

There may be a short term benefit as Stewie plays to get his place back. From his interview this morning on Skysports he is clearly still in contact with the squad especially Woodgate. He will want to be back in the England fold. If he plays well and still stays outside the England loop I guess he is almost certain to leave, probably in the summer.

Hope I am wrong

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 6, 2008 9:42 AM

Nigel wrote...

Tb's advice to the Redcar Rock to keep away from agents sounds very sound to me, as does his view that Fulham will be tough on Saturday, they have Bullard back and they had a good win last week.

We need to get stuck into them and play the fast high tempo game that we are seeing more and more of from Boro , if we do that we should win, hopefully a big crowd in to see Alves will drive the team on to.

Posted by: Nigel  | February 6, 2008 9:54 AM

Mike willard wrote...

What the article in the Gazette yesterday should've been titled is;

"Wheater won't be signing for at least another month"

You only had to read the "we'll be meeting with the player and his father over the next few weeks" line to get the real truth.

In other words "attention all Premier League clubs; Boro will still be sat on his hands for the next month so if you fancy a great up and coming player for pennies in compo then we're fair game"

Posted by: Mike willard  | February 6, 2008 12:16 PM

Dennis Wilson wrote...

Hi A.V jsut had a little look at Mr Ryders comments on the skunks site, think they are jealous, all they do is talk about us!!! and whinge and moan .....

Do you believe 100 percent Alves will start against Fulham, I hope so plus the injuries appear to favour him starting, just be nice if you told us he deffo is playin!

**AV writes: I don't think he will start. He hasn't played for two montsh and will be well short. I would think he would probably start on the bench.

Posted by: Dennis Wilson  | February 6, 2008 12:23 PM

jiffy wrote...

Even if Alves is as far away from match fit as Mido he still must be a better bet than Dong Gook lee.

Posted by: jiffy  | February 6, 2008 12:33 PM

Dennis Wilson wrote...

You're right Jiffy,

Surely A.V Alves should start. Mido is nowhere near fit and dong gook, well enough said. If Alves started then we the crowd should give him enough to last a good 70 mins surely, then bring him off. The thought of Dong Gook will probably give Fulham a lift rather than seeing our 'hopefully' special one looking to do a rava against liverpool.

But hey as long as we get three points thats all that counts!

Posted by: Dennis Wilson  | February 6, 2008 1:22 PM

mike from guissy wrote...

I agree with the other comment about the Redcar Rock.. .never mind waiting a few weeks to get him signed up on a long term contract - DO IT NOW!

Don't wait for one of the big boys to once again come along and pinch one of our most promising players for peanuts. If i was Southgate I would be round his house tonight getting it done and dusted. Players like him don't come along too often: Boro through and through, 100%

Get your money on this for saturday lads... Alves 1st goal and Boro to win 3-1

Posted by: mike from guissy  | February 6, 2008 1:49 PM

James Emmerson wrote...

Just a note for fans of ESPN football classics like me that at noon tomorrow on ITV4 they are starting "the Big Match revisited" which (it says) will bring us more splendid retro football from the early 80's and possibly who knows when?

**AV writes: Excellent news.

Posted by: James Emmerson  | February 6, 2008 1:57 PM

David Morrison wrote...

AV, any news on how alves tests went this morning?

He hasnt played for nearly 2 months so throwing him in can have longer term affects than just playing 60 mins and the game passing him by.

We shoud have enough to beat Fulham on saturday even if he starts on the bench so it wouldnt be a bad thing. The guy needs a good weeks trianing and to get used to his surroundings. Here's hoping he settles in and adapts to the culture and british cuisine. Ha ha.

This guy will be a big hit we have got to be patient and think more to next season. If he scores half dozen goals it will be a bonus.

COME ON BORO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | February 6, 2008 2:00 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Better to play Alves from the start and take him off if necessary.

Even if he only plays for 45 mins he might score, and it will be easier for Boro to defend a lead than to hope Alves can come on for 20 mins and score if we are chasing the game.

If Alves can not play, have a back four of Young, Huth, Pogo and Grounds.

Play Wheater up front, anything but LDG.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 6, 2008 2:38 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Interesting that the Northern Echo states Stewie and his Dad are due a meeting with Lambie over the next couple of weeks. Dads in, agents out says I.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 6, 2008 3:53 PM

mohd alan wrote...

AV

Couple of points.

Let's not build up the Fulham match as a six pointer or whatever, It is a game to be won,sure, but let's not get too worked up and pass our anxieties on to the team.

It will be difficult enough with a lot of players coming back from International call ups. I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic. There are still plenty of points to play for after Saturday. Having said all that we can and should win, if our performance is anything like that at Sid James's park.

Could have done withut the injury to Clattermole, George though I am sure will be trying his heart out, it is just his passing that scares me.

Secondly, the Schwarzer situation is ridiculous. He is going to the other side of the world to play in a meaningless game and then fly all the way back again.
Goodness knows what sort of a state he will be in.

Now that we have Alves, he is our major weakness. What is with this business of him coming onto the pitch at half time? He should remain in the dressing room with the rest of the team.

Here's hoping for fog at Sydney airport for a few days.

Posted by: mohd alan  | February 6, 2008 3:57 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Mohd Alan

Whats your worry about Swarz and his travelling?Are you afraid he wont be able to handle crosses into the box and drop them at players feet?

There are many posters on this site who would like to see him on the pitch at half time, it's during play they want him in the dressing room.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 6, 2008 4:20 PM

mark j wrote...

RE: Alves- The levels of fitness required to play in the premiership are such that if you have not played for 2 months you may overstretch yourself trying to prove your worth to the new croud and get injured.

That is exactly what happened to Mido and I don't think we will see much goal scoring form from the Egyptian until next season.

Alliadierre and Tuncay who were already fit at the start of the season have taken a long time to spark.

Knowing all this confuses me as to why Gate didnt take a loan on another striker too just as a stop gap in case somebody like Tuncay injured his hamstring, which has now happened [ I had mentioned this back in early December ] rather than just hope Alves hits the ground running in what is a much quicker more physical league than the Dutch league where matches like the fight at St.James's Park dont happen.

Therefore amongst all this Samba excitement Southgate should be cautious to protect our new investment. Having said that the Brazilian could be a raging bull with a point to prove, I guess we will have to wait and see.

Up the Boro.

PS I bet you havent seen Quasi Modo, Steve Bruce and Roy Hodgson in the same room together. They are one and the same ! The bells, the bells!

Posted by: mark j  | February 6, 2008 5:58 PM

Ian Oliver wrote...

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

Ian Oliver wrote...

I echo all the comments about the individual displays at the weekend, but for me the MoM performance came from Wheater.

He eclipsed Woodgate and presented Arsenal with one hurdle too many as they attempted to get back in the game. I’ve seen some great centre backs play for The Boro over the years – trust me this boy is a jewel.

Posted by: Ian Oliver | December 12, 2007 12:39 PM

Posted by: Ian Oliver  | February 6, 2008 6:34 PM

Kenny Holgate wrote...

I TOLD YOU SO!!!
Ian Oliver wrote...

Do you want a medal or summat!

"trust me this boy is a jewel." Are you some self appointed critic who lives on his own planet. Do you really believe that you are the only person to "know" this.

Dear Oh dear!

Posted by: Kenny Holgate  | February 6, 2008 7:33 PM

mohd alan wrote...

AV

"Ian Gill"

Your comments, love them, just love them!!

I am concerned Schwarz will not get his duty free through customs without dropping it, yes! Each week he is on a different wavelength to the defence, this Saturday he will be in a different time zone!!

If he does not make it we may well be on here eulogizing about another "crown jewel" i.e. Turnbull.

One more thing AV if I may, on Sunday, Aliadiere, played the one man up front role to absolute perfection, his speed was a constant threat to the Bar Codes defence. No defender likes having a forward running at him. J.A. was that good that as the half wore on their defence retreated and our mid field took over.

Great article on the game AV. Loved it just loved it. Great board. Love it, just love it. Where have I heard that phrase before?

Posted by: mohd alan  | February 7, 2008 12:27 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Kenny Holgate, most of us on this board were singing Wheaters praises back in September, some how it took Ian Oliver till December to realise how good Wheater is.

The main thing is that he signs a new contract ASAP.

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 7, 2008 8:32 AM

Ian Oliver wrote...

Kenny Holgate

I think highlighting his performances, knowing that he was coming to the end of his contract, was the right thing to do as the euphoria over other ‘flash-in-the-pan’ efforts was masking what he was doing. That puts me on this planet and you orbiting the planet ‘lemming’.

Blog’s are giving the average person the chance to air their views. Being a ‘self appointed critic’ (as you put it) is the very essence of participating in a blog, if participants can only ‘toe the party line’ the meaning and effectiveness of a blog is lost.

Finally, as for the use of ‘summat’, do try to spell-check before you post, or, if that is representative of your everyday prose, you obviously fall into the Gibson category of someone I wouldn’t waste more than 10 minutes of my time with.

Posted by: Ian Oliver  | February 7, 2008 8:44 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

I will leave Ian Oliver and Kenny Holgate to get on with their love in and focus on the samba welcome.

A big welcome for our new Brazilian is announced by the club, by the sounds of it, entrance will be via the club shop as they try to maximise merchandise. Cant blame them for doing it because it is all revenue to help pay for the club.

Of more importance lets hope he is fit enough to take some part in the match.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 7, 2008 9:11 AM

Kenny Holgate wrote...

Dear Ian
Aww, have we touched a nerve dear.

(sniggers!)

Posted by: Kenny Holgate  | February 7, 2008 10:20 AM

David Morrison wrote...

AV, just read we have signed a 18 year old keeper from bradford, any ideas what his reputation is like?

Also i read yesterday about the shirts with alves on the back, however it is very very typical of boro because they havnt got enough sizes in the home shirts.

Iit goes to show that boro shirts need to be made by a far bigger brand like adidas or nike so that we can capitalise on the sales. yes they may take a bigger slice but i dont buy the shirts because the quality is poor, design is ok but one wash and its ruined the club needs to sort this out...

COME ON BORO !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | February 7, 2008 10:34 AM

John Powls wrote...

We can only hope that Gate and The Count are as god as their word on contracts for Wheats and Stewie.

But if, like me and Mike Willard, you trust the behaviour not the words, then we and Wheats and Stewie and their Dads shouldn't hold our breath!

Also, we must be a little careful not to put the weight of too much expectation on Wheats. He's still only 20 - very young for a central defender - and really only in his first full season. He will have dips in form and be prone to the odd individual error. That's only natural at this stage.

He will need a break every now and again, too. In fact, I thought he looked pretty jaded in the U21 game the other evening. Thankfully he didn't have to do a lot.

I agree with Ian and others that we must hope that Alves is fit enough to get some time in the game against Fulham.

Firstly, because it would be good for all sorts of reasons to have him debut at home.

Secondly, because we need him. Simba must not play and, I'd hope, isn't even on the bench so that Gate isn't tempted at any point in the game.

The Fulham game, like the Wigan one is more than a six pointer. We have to win for our own push towards the top of the Bottom Half League.

But also Fulham must be beaten, like Wigan were, to stifle any chance of them thinking they are on a run after beating Villa last Sunday.

And, if possible, we should not only aim to beat The Cottagers but to thump them by as many goals as we can. That's about our goal difference and damaging their confidence.

It's dog eat dog down where we are and we must be top dog on Saturday - we'll surely stand more chance of that with Alves playing.

On the same topic, I hated the Aliadiere line in the interview earlier in the week when he said that if we beat Fulham we're safe. Oh, no we're not, mate. We'll be on 29 points and still well within reach of the teams below us.

Some fool will be talking about 'top half' next.

Why do players come out with this tripe or allow themselves to say 'yes' when some journo asks them the loaded question?

It smacks of a complacency we just can't afford. Especially being Boro - this team and management can't handle complacency - we lose.

We have done best this season and last with a clear and present threat looming over us. It's not where we should aspire to be - we should be aiming to handle success properly - but it's where we are now.

Just think what a clever comment it will seem if Fulham beat us - and my guess is that Hodgson will stick the article up on their dressing room wall.

**AV writes: Having spoken to Aliadiere many times I can tell you that he is not the kind of bloke who mumbles "yes" to a convoluted question to provide an easy quote.

He is a very confident and thoughtful speaker who has a cute grasp of what is going on and how the media works. Maybe he either really believes Boro's form makes them almost safe or is pro-actively trying to counter any notion of relegation pressure bearing down on the team.

Posted by: John Powls  | February 7, 2008 10:52 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Kenny

You having a spat with Ian Oliver doesnt bother me, if sniggering gratifies you carry on with my best wishes.

John Powls articulates some of the problems. Confidence and form are fragile things as could be seen last year when the club thought the ManU replay took precedence over the Citeh league.

We managed to lose both and the Citeh was one of the very few times I left early from a match with 20 mins to go -it was still alonger shift than the players put in. After that we struggled until the last couple of matches. If we start getting ahead of selves we will end up back in the mire.

**AV writes: I think you are right, confidence is a fragile thing - but it is also very compelx and sometimes it needs building up and encouraging worlds rather than being put on guard and haunted by the prospect of failure.

.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 7, 2008 11:45 AM

CAPTAIN PARMO wrote...

Hi Vic

You ok son?? Without sounding like I'm "peeing up your back", you've come a long way since 91/92 well done my mate !!

Bored sick with the BBC 606 site, it's turned into a playground, can I join your gang ??

**AV writes: Holy Bechemal! It's Captain Parmo! Course you can play. Always room for an old Banker.

Posted by: CAPTAIN PARMO  | February 7, 2008 12:36 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

I know confidence is a compelx thing and needs encouraging worlds to foster it. The problem is when it appears they come from another planet.

They dont have to come out all gloomy and depressed, there is being positive without being arrogant, relaxed without being comatose, focussed without being uptight.

It is the state of mind Boro took to Sid James Park. All the talk was of Toon and King Kev, you could see the determination the players put into the match. The same over the top messianic fervour of the media helped Bolton become party poopers and their season now looks to have taken a turn for the better.

Going back to the Citeh match last year, they were there for the taking but we were that focussed on the replay and resting players we were not up for the match. Citeh strolled it.

Walk the walk not talk the talk. I think.

**AV writes: I agree about Citeh but right now the Boro squad ARE buzzing with confidenc. I think it is only natural that a lot of the public comments reflect that and trying to artificially dampen that may be counter-productive. It is the manager's job to make sure that whatever is said in public that on matchday they are focussed.,

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 7, 2008 1:03 PM

Nigel wrote...

I for one think its great the Boro players are confident and expressing it.

Clearly Aliadiere knows that 29 points doesn't guarantee safety, he can count as well as the rest of us! Maybe the trick when reading a quote from a player is to look behind the words a little or to read the quote with a health warning just in case a word or two have been omitted.
I for one see no reason why optimism and confidence can't be expressed!

Boro have been playing consistently well for some time now, its not as if we have had one good result and the players are stating they are aiming for the top four.

We live in a football world where players are asked for quotes seven days a week, don't read too much into what they say.

Posted by: Nigel  | February 7, 2008 2:21 PM

Bob Doyle wrote...

Did you see me on the telly. I was clapping and waving my two foam hands about and I had a Brazilian shirt and hat on. Get in!

Posted by: Bob Doyle  | February 7, 2008 2:37 PM

Never Happy wrote...

AV - this was debated over on a previous blog and now looks likely to happen.

The English Premier League is considering playing some matches overseas, BBC Sport has learned. At a meeting in London on Thursday, all 20 clubs agreed to explore a proposal to extend the season to 39 games.

Those 10 extra games would be played at venues around the world, with cities bidding for the right to stage them.

It is understood the additional fixtures could be determined by a draw but that the top-five teams could be seeded to avoid playing each other.

full article can be found @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7232390.stm

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 7, 2008 2:42 PM

Kenny Holgate wrote...

Ian Gill......

You seem to have grabbed the wrong end of the stick!
The post and sniggers were aimed at Mr "Told You So" Ian Oliver and his remarkable grasp of the English Language, and not at yourself.

Sorry for any confusion.

Posted by: Kenny Holgate  | February 7, 2008 3:16 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

kenny

Many apologies, I must have been having a senior moment!

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 7, 2008 7:27 PM

bugrit wrote...

With regard to what Jérémy Aliadière did and didn't say about Boro being safe from relegation, here is a copy and paste from the Sky Sports website:

- quote -
Now the French striker feels that Boro's place will be secure if they can seal victory at The Riverside against Fulham.

"The next game is massive for us, if we win that - and we have to - there is a bit of a gap developing between us and the third from bottom team. If we get three points we are almost safe," he said.

"We were in a difficult position and quite a few people were saying we were destined to go down, but I think we have proved a few of those people wrong.

"We have worked for each other as a team and we have slowly, bit by bit, started climbing the league table.


"We haven't lost since January 1 and our performances, especially away from home, have got so much better.

"People have been saying we are destined to go down, but we have proved them wrong. We have shown we are a good team."
- endquote -

Of course, it being Sky Sports, who knows whether that is actually what he said. Anyway, assuming the quotes are accurate, it seems to me that "a bit of a gap developing" and "almost safe" and "slowly, bit by bit" are a long way away from complacency.

Posted by: bugrit  | February 8, 2008 5:45 PM

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