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Fonzie's Happy Debut?

Posted by on February 9, 2008 2:52 PM | 

WALKING UP to the Riverside there was a distinct lack of a samba beat. Thinking back to the Little Fella's bow there seemed to be an almost tangible air of excitement in the underpass . Maybe that is just retrospectively enhanced sentimentality. Maybe we are just more cynical now, less easily impressed by Brazilian internationals, after all we've had a few. Maybe I am over analysing it and the heat and expectation have been taken out of the situation by the general consensus that Afonso Alves will start on the bench and LDG will play.

Closer to kick-off the tingle gathers strength. The odd little kid wanders past with green and yellow face paint, there is a scattering of vintage Juninhobilia - scarves, shirts, flags - plus a healthy presence of brand spanking new Afonso Alves number 12 shirts and the odd Brazil flag being fluttered. In the stadium there are plenty of the Garmin sponsored half-and-half paper standards and a new 60 foot 'Boro Goal Machine' banner at the back of the East Stand, turned out with impressive haste by the kids at Our Lady and St Bede's, old hands at this game now.

There is a nagging fear though that the visitors have not read the script and buoyed by their win over Villa last week - and a ' We Are Fulham' banner that appears to depict Joe Strummer in his James Dean latinobilly phase - they may come here to rain on Boro's parade.

Perhaps with the Rio carnival and samba hype and high expectations it is for the best he doesn't start. The bar has been set pretty high for imported hitman debuts - Ravanelli got three, Branca scored, Yakubu got off to a flying start... over the full 90 he would be more harshly measured than is perhaps fair for a bloke who hasn't played for six weeks.

Me Mark Page reads out the teams and as he goes down the subs there is a little dramatic pause before the new boy's name is barked out to spark a warm and loud cheer and a ripple of squealing from the school trip in the South East corner.

Boro start brightly and Huth has two good efforts before Aliadiere scored the opener on 11 minutes, breaking onto a O'Neil ball into the box to slot through the legs of the advancing keeper. Phew. That lifts a lot of the weight. It takes the pressure off`Alves and the dug-out and makes it more likely that we will see him sooner rather than later. Another goal - and Boro are playing with an impressive tempo and zest now - and we could even see him from the start of the second half.

The man of the moment climbs from his place in the dug-out after 21 minutes and goes for a low impact warm-up stroll down the touchline in front of the West Stand to rapturous applause. Just think what he will get later on when he starts to jog and doe his stretches.

Aliadiere goes on a weaving run, leaving defenders in his wake to get into the box before having a low shot well held on 28 minutes. His performances levels have improved dramatically since Alves loomed on the horizon and he is now looking a genuine threat going forward.

At half-time all the talk was about exactly how long we would have to wait before the club's biggest ever investment was unleashed. Ten minutes later the wait was over as he stripped and got ready for his great entrance`while Boro defended a free-kick. He stood poised on the touchline as Boro scrambled the ball clear and out then with a gap in play he replaced Lee on 57 minutes to a deafening cheer and a standing ovation from all around the ground.

Then as the applause died Boro fans made it quite clear that they knew exactly who had made the Alves move possible with a loud and passionate chant of "One Stevie Gibson". However, that endorsement of the chairman's ambition was not matched by bums on seats. Nothing had been said publicly but after smashing the club transfer record to deliver the marksman that the punters - and the fluid football played by the team - have demanded the club will have been expecting over 30,000. That less than 27,000 showed will have felt like a real kick in the teeth.

The new striker had a slow start, ambling about in the Fulham half as the game entered a cagey stage and Boro sat back. There were occasional raids forward down the flanks but the balls into the box sailed over him. The first time the ball came near him he slipped and failed to get a clean contact and you could sense a thousand stifled 'uh-ohs'.

His first meaningful touch came on 66 minutes as he showed neat control and god strength as chested a ball down and then laid it back under pressure from Staltieri out on the left touchline then soon after he almost broke clear onto a threaded pass behind the Fulham defence but again he lost his footing and couldn't quite gather.

There were some good signs that he can fit into Boro's high tempo game: after Stewie won a ball out wide he pushed it quickly forward and the Fonz collected with his back to goal then smoothly span around and crisply pushed inside first time for O'Neil over-lapping on the right then instantly made a break into the box for the return but his team-mate was closed down and the ball never arrived. Another good move onto a ball over the top was halted by the offside flag. And there were similar instinctive moves off the ball that never came off as he felt his way into the game.

It was a shaky finale with Boro holding on. The points are welcome, the unbeaten run extended and another was nail driven in Fulham's coffin as Boro edged closer towards safety. As for Alves, there were some hints at his promise but there was no instant legend created. "Alves? More Lee Dong Gook than Ravanelli", was one cruel comment in the press box. There's plenty of time. Even Juninho had a slow start.

Comments (88)

pauline johnson wrote...

Hi AV
Yes it was pleasing to see that even DGL could put himself about a bit. Who knows, another 12 months and he might be able to anticipate a pass, dodge his marker fairly, and deliver a killer ball for a team-mate!

Alves showed that he is indeed rusty from lack of match practice. Thankfully the points had already been decided before he came on, but I didn't think he had a "Brazilian" impact on the game.

He kept his best efforts for the final 3 minutes of injury time and will obviously take some time to settle into the side.

From the limited view I had I would suggest he needs to play off a front man. He did not look like the leader of the line. I was puzzled that we played with only one up front once he came on. Aliadiere drifted out wide right and lost much of his impact before Boateng came on as sub. I presumed that Mido was injured and that was why he didn't appear?

We only managed to create one free kick in "Alves" territory but he didn't take the chance.

It was very good to see the back 4 playing well and Luke Young had a really positive impact on the game. Shouts of "Young for England" were well merited, I thought.

I hope Alves gets a chance to play from the start at Sheffield United, and preferably a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 formation.

regards
Pauline
Acklam

Posted by: pauline johnson  | February 9, 2008 7:38 PM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Give the guy some time...look at Alliadiare's last few games. If we play well and supply him, I'm sure he will be the scorer we've needed.

With him feeding off the hard working Tuncay, Ali, O'Neill and Downing, he should be great.

**AV writes: I agree.

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | February 9, 2008 7:40 PM

Neil (USA) wrote...

I must not laugh at a fellow North-east team's misfortune.
I must not laugh at a fellow North-east team's misfortune.
I must not laugh at a fellow North-east team's misfortune.
I must not laugh at a fellow North-east team's misfortune.
I must not laugh at a fellow North-east team's misfortune.
**(Sighs...still 95 more lines to write)

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | February 9, 2008 7:47 PM

Nick Hill wrote...

To be fair to Alves, he was isolated. There was a huge space in between Alves and the midfield which made it very difficult as no one linked up with him.

Players like Drogba, torres, tevez etc would find the system we employed just as difficult. It was a poor game and after about 35mins we reverted to 4-5-1.

Maybe Southgate thought we were getting over run in midfield as he moved Aliadiere out on the right but it just invited more pressure on us and we couldnt keep the ball.

Luckily the back 4 plus schwarzer was solid and we got the victory but it wasnt a game where Alves would be given service. The reporter who said, "More Lee Dong Gook than Ravanelli" should have taken that into account.

Posted by: Nick Hill  | February 9, 2008 8:28 PM

jc wrote...

almost safe...

;)

Posted by: jc  | February 9, 2008 10:51 PM

Billy S wrote...

AV, just to point out an error, you said "Ravanelli got three, Branco scored, Yakubu got off to a flying start."

Are you sure you don't mean Marco Branca? Branco was the '94 world cup winning 50 year old left back. I don't think he scored once.

**AV writes: Yes, a misplaced vowel. Sorry.

Posted by: Billy S  | February 9, 2008 10:56 PM

g dagger wrote...

I don't think there is a striker in the Premier League that could have made a difference to Boro's second-half performance yesterday.

Alves was up-front by himself and wasn't exactly given the service or chances a striker needs to do his job. Let's face it, that thirty-or-so minutes he got are not a realistic basis to form an opinion.

Boro were very dull during the whole second half, average for most of the first but, thank God, quite impressive for the first quarter of an hour.

In summary:

The encouraging factors were that Schwarzer played a blinder (or rather he never did anything stupid); the back four, especially Young and Huth were solid as a rock; and Aliadiere never stopped running.

The low attendance, second-half exhaustion of inspiration and seemingly unfair judgement of Alves' first experience of the Premier League were unfortunately less than encouraging.

Posted by: g dagger  | February 10, 2008 9:47 AM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

After the Lord Mayor's show, we come away with another three points.

Anything from the Liverpool game, and even the most critical of sceptics should once again - start believing...

The return of Tuncay, in my opinion, is critical to the ammunition for Alves (and perhaps Mido) to start banging in the goals.

I don't think in all our dreams we can expect Aliadiere and the two centre backs to keep scoring our goals week in week out.

I also think we are just one or two cogs away from giving someone a good hiding.

On a more lighter note, can anyone remember the hit Clint Eastwood movie, Dirty Harry ? The sniper baddy in that film is a dead ringer for Jimmy Bullard !

Come on Boro.

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | February 10, 2008 9:50 AM

John Powls wrote...

Well, I suppose a little too much was expected.

The three points are very welcome, though, and you can't play well every time - the trick being - to use the old cliche - to win still win when you're not at your best. Earlier in this season, that was a game we'd have drawn or lost.

A pity too that Alves had to make his debut at that time in a game when most of our attacking intent had long been sacrificed. His time will come.

I hope that Simba's time has now come - and gone. Not sure why, if Mido was fit enough for the bench yesterday he got no game time in favour of Simba.

But surely, in the near future, with Tuncay coming back and Mido and Alves fit we have to see the advent of Simba not even making the bench.

At that point the kindest thing we could do - and the best for Boro - would be to loan him out to a lower league club. Might give him a chance to find his level and some confidence and, since the rules preclude it, would remove the temptation for Gate to call him back and use him.

Good to see Aliadiere respond positively to the emerging competition for places up front. Another old cliche but true - you need that competition all over the park.

I have to echo the disappointment over the lack of a 30,000 plus crowd yesterday. Very poor, I'm afraid. Maybe it just shows how deep-seated the disaffection has been but when the club shows it is trying, Gibbo forks out and the team need the backing to keep up a good run it's up to fans to respond.

Although yesterday's result opened a bit of breathing space we have a challenging March coming up. Keeping some traction and momentum will be key.

Our next run of away games is tricky - Scousers, Villa, Gunners and Chelski. And we have another 2 six-pointers at home, Reading and then Derby.

Given the away games - from which we'll do very well to take 2 points from 12, we'll need to ensure our home form is spot on.

Reading will be tough but at our current best augmented by fit and firing strikers we should win. Derby could be more tricky than their position suggests, but again we should prevail.

It will be interesting to see how Gate and the squad react when the 'spell' of the current run is broken and we lose one or two.

8 points from those games should see us safe - or near enough - for the run in. Very much less and we may still be drawn back.

Very nice to see The Barcodes continuing their chinese length of the league - should continue for a couple of games yet.

The Cup game next weekend should allow us to play with more freedom. They're having a predictably poor season under Robbo and can't score to save their live at present but will raise themselves for this game - as will their crowd.

It would be good to win - and at the first time of asking. It would also be great to avoid picking up injuries and bookings in what they will seek to turn into a high tempo battle.

Posted by: John Powls  | February 10, 2008 12:01 PM

buffaloboro wrote...

The crowd was a disappointment. I really don't know what else the club can do to get more in the ground & still ensure a reasonable cash flow. Any thoughts?

Posted by: buffaloboro  | February 10, 2008 2:07 PM

Patrick Steele wrote...

g dagger

The 'low attendance' needs to be seen in the context of the Wigan game where the crowd was 4,000 less. 27,000 was also higher than matches against other, bigger teams this season. So,it is encouraging.

It will take time to win some floaters / Juninho FC fans back or gain new fans and i'm sure the club appreciate this.

Typical Teessiders are, afterall, not predisposed to bouts of crazed hysteria let alone optimism like, say, our pals up the road and with prices levelling out for different category games, this was always going to depress crowd levels against the lesser lights.

chris from beverley

agree about Tuncay - we are missing his spark ATM - but with his return and the other cogs clicking into place we could yet be in for some very impressive attacking performances before the season is out.

Posted by: Patrick Steele  | February 10, 2008 3:47 PM

Hugo Steckelmacher wrote...

I enjoyed your match review, especially the puns/Fonzie references. Though I think you need to give the spell checker a minute or two.

I don't think Alves should be judged on this performance, but I believe it was a clever move by Southgate to throw him on when he did. Now the debut is over, some of the media expectation should abate and allow Alves to perform in the coming matches with a little less pressure, also permitting the boss to prepare for games without the continual twaddle about Alves' debut.

One last thing. 'Boro fans shouldn't be expecting too much "Brazilian magic" from Alves. Alves is a superb striker but is not in the mould of a Ronaldinho or even a Juninho in that he cannot be expected to be spectacular every week. He is more a traditional number 9 with an excellent eye for goal. That should be enough to satisfy the fans, anyhow.

Posted by: Hugo Steckelmacher  | February 10, 2008 7:01 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Neil from USA

I think it is totally wrong to laugh at the mishaps for our friends up the road nor should we take satisfaction from the sound of deflating expectations.

I must not tell fibs
I must not tell fibs
I must not tell fibs....

But I was happy with three points yesterday. My plans for next weekend have been scuppered by a higher authority. Friends we havent seen for some time are coming on Sunday so that is another match on TV with a couple of beers. The hard part is pretending to be interested about Auntie Vera's hernia operation.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 10, 2008 8:51 PM

Nigel wrote...

Alves, Tuncay, Aliadiere,Dowwning & O'Neill are a mouth watering combination, but that means no place for The Boat or Rocky, still we knew that I think.

I for one am looking forward to the Liverpool game in two weeks, a difficult match but there is potential for a good result.

We will beat Chelsea away and ruin their chances of 100 home games in domestic competition unbeaten, Feb and March are going to be good, I cant wait.

PS - Anyone heard from Geordie Lurker? I thought not!

Posted by: Nigel  | February 10, 2008 10:39 PM

Edward Kelly wrote...

I went to the match expecting to see some Brazilian super hero at centre forward (as the local media made out), a big crowd with a good atmosphere.

What I get to see is a shortish, bald overweight gadgy who to be quite frank, wasn't much kop, loads of empty seats and an atmosphere on par with the Acklam library at 1/2 past 9 on a Monday morning.

What a waste of money, what an awful match and hat a mug I am for believing the hype and spin from Gibson, Lamb and co about Alves and the new super "ambitious" Boro.

Pffffffffffffffff.

Posted by: Edward Kelly  | February 10, 2008 10:48 PM

Ste Mac wrote...

People shouldn't expect to much. Fonzie hasnt played for two months, can't speak the lingo and barely knows the Boro team names, let alone how they play. Any one who expected a hat-trick is just daft.

We know that players from abroad take time to settle. Look at Tuncay. In fact, look at Juninho. His debut was good but after that he was patchy for the rest of that season. It was only with a full pre-season under his little belt that he lit up the Riverside.

I think Alves did alright but he needs time. Should maybe stick him in the ressies tomorrow for 75 minutes then on the bench again at Sheff United.

Posted by: Ste Mac  | February 10, 2008 11:00 PM

Sarah J wrote...

Serious question for Mr Vickers to ask Rob Nichols..

Why does he persevere in associating himself with the once excellent but now pathetic juveniles playground that still goes under the name of Fly Me To The Moon?

Is Mr Nichols not too "long in the tooth" to be associated with this often obscene place or is he of similar mind and intelligence as the nutcases who inhabit that nasty place?

Also why do Middlesbrough FC allow this board to operate in their name as its users makes the club and the town look like its populated by 3rd world nincompoops?

Its time to either clean up or get rid of the once excellent but now pathetic FMTTM message board as it is a typical example of how standards in this country have nosedived in recent years.

**AV writes: There is no question that the tone has changed on there but really these are questions you should ask directly on the Fly Me board.

Posted by: Sarah J  | February 10, 2008 11:37 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Agree about the disappointing crowd lads and lasses, but let's not forget the opposition. Fulham only brought a taxi-load, so there were bound to be loads of empty seats in the South stand.

Besides most people knew in advance that Alves wasn't going to start. Once he gets up and running on the goal front I expect crowds to rise.

Edward Kelly - I understand your disappointment. This was a damp squib of a game. However, Boro really have been playing some delightful stuff of late, even if only for parts of matches. Come back and give it another go. And try to persuade Tony Black to come with you.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | February 11, 2008 12:07 AM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Ian, I couldn't resist a little fun...but in all honesty, I'd like all of the NE teams to do well as long as we're top dog.

Toon fans will have to wait a while for King Kev's revolution because he just does not have the players to play the football that he wants them to play...the question is will the Newcastle Chairman give Keegan the time?

Speaking of patient chairmen...earlier in the year I felt that Southgate should go, but Gibbo, true to his style, stuck with our neophyte manager.

This week on Fox Soccer Channel, analysts have been postively gushing over Southgate and the perceived changes at the club. In fact on the "Super Sunday" show, one pundit described the selling of Viduka, Yakubu and Woodgate as "astute business". It's amazing what a couple of decent results can do for perceptions.

Onto the Blades...forget Dave Kitson...the cup will always be magical for me.

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | February 11, 2008 3:49 AM

DAVE CONNOR wrote...

Well another victory and a little more leeway from the bottom three.

I did not see the game on saturday even though it was on Russian tv due to work committments, so I waited for the report on the WORLD T.V BCC FINAL SCORE
and can you believe it they said 1.0

Carlton Palmer then talked about Southgate for the England manager as there are few english managers in the premiership, they did not give any info on the game at all not even the scorer and I thought it was bad enough with our few minutes on MATCH OF THE DAY.

So Mr Southgate puts in Dong again, does he know something that we dont ????

all the best we are on a roll so lets keep it going now that we are ahead of the Geordies

Posted by: DAVE CONNOR  | February 11, 2008 4:57 AM

Never Happy wrote...

The main thing from the match was that we got three points.

AV - When you next attend a press conference with GS, please ask him what he see's in LDG that no one else does.

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 11, 2008 8:47 AM

mickymac wrote...

I hope whingers like Edward Kelly never come back, theyr'e the worst kind of "supporter". What did he want? A hat trick in the first half?

This team is moving forward and we are going to trash a team 4 or 5 nothing before the season finishes.Sarah J, the fly me board is funny and knowledable.

I agree one or two posts are silly but if you don't like what you see, don't go on it. What has the third world reference got to do with the tone of the board. Do you mean ignorant and stupid like third world people?

Vic, love the Strummer reference, couldn't see the flag full on from the east stand upper.Perhaps it was meant to be the great man!

**AV writes: Who, Mohammed Fayed?

Posted by: mickymac  | February 11, 2008 9:28 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Never Happy

LDG gets his place because:

1. No one else is fit
2. My daughter has a Saturday job at Wallis
3. If a monkey can write the works of Shakespeare if sat long enough at a typewriter then LDG may look like a footballer if we keep playing him.

Other than that I am at a loss.

Noted the point about Yak, Veruka and Woodgate. Oddly I had checked my morning paper to see where they were this weekend.

Yak - February, no more to say
Veruka - unused sub
Woodie - not even on the bench, mam must of sent a letter in to the nice Mr Ramos.

Neil - USA

Like you I dont wish fans of Toon or blunderland ill but also it is difficult not to smile. Didnt realise it but I think Pearson has left Toon so that leaves them with KK, MacDermott and Steve Round. A case of three wise monkeys - see no tactics, speak no tactics, hear no tactics and that is just KK.

They wil turn it round but it doesnt look as if they know what is going on at the moment. To be fair Gate and Coops looked the same early season.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 11, 2008 9:30 AM

jeffrey osborne wrote...

Edward Kelly

Are you pleased that we won and secured another 3 valuable points towards safety or do you prefer some other team ?

Posted by: jeffrey osborne  | February 11, 2008 9:41 AM

Geordie Lurker wrote...

I saw your new Ricketts. He isn't very good is he? Are you sure he's from Brazil? And how many turned out to see your new Riverside Revolution?

**AV writes: Here we go again...

Posted by: Geordie Lurker  | February 11, 2008 9:56 AM

Never Happy wrote...

so Geordie you were one of the 27,000 at the Riverside on Saturday? You must have been how else could you have watched Alves?

I was beginning to think that you were a closet Boro fan, why else are you interested? Has to be better then the barcode shambles up the road don't you think?

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 11, 2008 10:48 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Previously on here I have been saying Alliadierre is no striker BUT on his last few performances I am eating my words as he seems to be growing in confidence and getting better all the time. In the first half the Fulham defence was all ends up.

Southgate is playing Dong Gook up front with him [Alliadierre] hoping to get the same development from him as Mido and Alves are not fit and cant help in these speedy breakaways, this is why Southgate even tried Downing upfront a few matches ago.

Dong Gook has had plenty of chances to improve and his best game was probably away at Pompy and this is why I thought Theo Walcott on loan till the end of the season as well as Alves incase Tuncay got injured which he did!

Never mind the return of Tuncay will improve our play.

Nige l- no place for Rochembach in the team? We are getting the form that made us buy him from Sporting L , he is not scoring loads of goals as Southgate has got him sitting deeper and linking defence with attack, some of his through balls have been sublime and he works hard now too.

Up the Boro

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | February 11, 2008 11:00 AM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

Geordie Lurker,

Still not as funny as the look on Viduka's glum face, whilst sat on the bench on Saturday....

Perhaps wishing he was somewhere else !

Another interesting point from the weekend, Boro have a Cup winner in Shawky; oh dear, Geremi was only second best.

Seems like that is the norm for you barcodes.

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | February 11, 2008 11:01 AM

Nigel wrote...

Clive - Please don't invite Edward Kelly or TB to the Riverside, my worst nightmare would be sitting next to one or both and having to put up with 90 mins of negativity!

Hello Mr. Lurker, you saw The Fonz did you? Why was that? Are you a Boro Boy in disguise? Still presumably it was a more enjoyable experience than watching The Villa, next up for you Man Utd, oh dear!

Posted by: Nigel  | February 11, 2008 11:01 AM

Geordie Lurker wrote...

I watched the game in the pub where most LittlesBoro fans usually watch from. They certainly don't go to games.

And you can have Veruka back. Like most of your lot he is not good enough for the Toon. You know that you were more happier that we lost than you won because that is how you measure youself.

Posted by: Geordie Lurker  | February 11, 2008 11:08 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Geordie - make your mind up, last week you were saying that Viduka wanted to play for a big club and that is why he left the Boro.

Ignoring my reply asking if it had nothing to do with the ridiculous wages the skunks were paying the pie man.

I don't give a toss about the barcodes and would draw the curtains if they were playing in my back garden.

Yet you watch the Boro down the pub?

Seems you have more interest in us (why else would you bore us on this blog?) than we do of the laughing stock that is Newcastle United.

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 11, 2008 11:40 AM

Neil (USA) wrote...

Ian, I believe that Woody was suspended.

Geordie Lurker, thank you. It is a Monday, and -- as a high school teacher -- I face the prospect of teaching America's apathetic youth about their own history. It's a thankless task. But you, my friend, cheer my day up.

I laugh so hard after reading your posts that the whole world suddenly seems a brighter place...

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | February 11, 2008 12:07 PM

jiffy wrote...

Woodgate didnt play Saturday because he was suspended. Quite remarkakle that considering how few matches he could be bothered to make himself available for for Boro this season.

No complaints though - we lost most of the games he started. Had he played more often we could be down there with Derby.

Re Mido and Alves fitness:

Surely they both need games now so MUST both at least start the reserve game. Or is it a case of not risking one of them so they can play saturday? We should be looking at the reserve game as getting them nearer ready for next saturday.

**AV writes: Alves is not in the squad for the ressies trip to Everton tonight. Arguably he will benefit more from intensive training and high-tempo small sided games with the first team before another 45 or so on Sunday.

Posted by: jiffy  | February 11, 2008 12:38 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Geordie
At a well managed club the crowd size might reflect on were the club finish in the league table.

Sadly for you Newcastle is not a well managed club and as such your team under perform season after season.

Only Newcastle could welcome back Keegan to bring back non existent glory days.What did KK win for you as a player or a manager?

Little Boro won the Carling cup in 2004 and were runners up in the UEFA Cup in 2006. When was the last time Newcastle won a cup or got to a European final?

Newcastle have been on a downward spiral that shows no sign of stopping. The 50,000+ plus fans that turn up for homes games at SJP deserve better, you welcome back KK then undermine him by bringing in Dennis Wise.

Take your blinkers off for a short while and you might realise what a joke Newcastle have become.

Other fans take an interest because they find it difficult to believe how a multi million pound organisation can be run by muppet’s and followed blindly by fans who believe that they follow a big team.

You are 13th in the PL and out of all the cups, another potless season for NUFC. Wake up and smell the coffee.

At the beginning of the season I hoped Boro would stay in the PL and have a good cup run. Both my wishes are looking like being fulfilled.

What did you hope for at the beginning of the season? Something better than been knocked out of the cups and a relegation battle I expect.

To sum up, NUFC - big crowd, poor team.

I have not tried putting under achievers in the google search engine, however if I did Newcastle would pop up in one of the links displayed

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 11, 2008 1:20 PM

mark j wrote...

Geordie floater- "I saw your new Ricketts. He isn't very good is he? Are you sure he's from Brazil?"

Judging people too quickly and putting too much expectation on them kind of describes what you have been doing with your managers for years. Learn your lesson!

You may complain about our strikers but take a look at your goal difference which could be all important for you with the form you are in.

I noticed today Damien Duff saying 'People said Blackburn were too good to go down in 1999 but I went down with them' . He was clever not to mention the 'R' word but we all get what he is saying.

Up the Boro

Posted by: mark j  | February 11, 2008 1:43 PM

CAPTAIN PARMO wrote...

Vic,

horrible game that was, I can't remember
one outstanding moment, apart form my mate Porno Tash catching the ball not once but twice !!

When are Boro gonna sort out the segregation issue and get the South Stand full of Red 'n White instead of Red 'n White seats ??

Ship the visitors upto the SE corner.

**AV writes: The club have ruled out moving the away fans 'on police advice' because of the way the concourses are configured for segregation.

Although I can't see the problem with sticking a few new gates up if it helps the atmosphere.

Posted by: CAPTAIN PARMO  | February 11, 2008 2:13 PM

Smugpie wrote...

"Little Boro won the Carling cup in 2004 and were runners up in the UEFA Cup in 2006. "

Seeing as you are giving so much creedence to being runners up, when was the last time you were runners up in the Premier League or when did you last win a major cup final.

Ohh, thought not!

Posted by: Smugpie  | February 11, 2008 2:19 PM

Andy wrote...

Lets not lose sight of the fact that the 3 points are all important at the moment. Its nice to have a free flowing performance (like the one at West Ham where we lost 3-0!) but with 3 of our next 4 games looking decidedly dodgy, Saturday was 'must win', and we did.

I almost felt a little disappointed that it was only 1-0 having scored so early but hey, lets be honest, 3 weeks ago our current position seemed light years away.

On Elvis, I think he will be akin to Tuncay early on, finding his feet, with the odd glimpse of being a good player. Next season will be the one where he will be judged more objectively but the pace, balance and movement are there for all to see.

We all want instant genius but lets be realistic here. We are a team on the up; Gibson stood firm and supported Southgate when other Chairmen cut and ran. We are now reaping the rewards and our team is developing nicely, trying to play the right way.

The progress has been slow but sure and I hope that more fans will show their support in the longer term.

Finally, I personally have no interest in any other team, but I am flattered when the insecurity of others results in them posting on the board of the North Easts top team. After all the table doesn't lie does it?

Posted by: Andy  | February 11, 2008 2:59 PM

David Morrison wrote...

Well another 3 points in the bag but the performance and the atmosphere went hand in hand i thought. A better team on the day may have dampened the party.

The atmosphere inside the ground is appalling and so it is around the country. Ive been to several away games this season and they are all bad, even the barcodes didnt manage a song until owen scored.

I think the reason for the lack of atmosphere is the seating and the stewarding. I was sat in the north stand on saturday just on the corner. i was surrounded by children and teenagers all getting in for £9. this is great but for the atmosphere it is realy affecting it.

In the old days there would hardly be any children in the holgate and fans would shout and scream and do watever to get the atmosphere going. Now you cant shout, swear, eat a pie without a steward telling you to sit down or warn you for bad language ( wasnt me by the way, ive told the missus on several occassions).

It seems the stadium needs segregating and the north end must become the end for singing and getting all the adults in together without being cautious of kids etc. A bold statement maybe but after witnessing it 1st hand, its realy the cause of the muted atmosphere..

I dont have children and i understand that they want to go to the game but like someone said get the south stand full of them get it full and get the noise up.....

it can only be for the benefit of the team....

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | February 11, 2008 3:02 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Earth to Smugpie - Boro got to the final of the UEFA cup playing exactly the type of football that the 'toon army' considered to be 'the glory days of KK'

Just as NUFC finishing runners up in the PL was an acheivement for your club, I consider Boro getting to a major european final an acheivement.

I never thought I would see Boro in Europe never mind in a final. But thats the difference between fans who hope for the best but accept that their team is not going to qualify for the champions league every season.

They realise that been linked with Rooney, Ronaldho or Kaka is aimless paper talk.

However on planet Tyneside for some reason, you do think you have a divine right to win all competitions and sign the worlds best players.

It may happen is some parallel universe that most geordies seem to live in, but in real life you have a average team and win nothing.

To get back to your comment, keep celebrating coming second in the PL and keep thinking that you have a world class team.

Just remember that the way you are heading you may well be playing Barnsley next season, but so what you once came second in the PL and won the FA cup in 1955 and thats what counts.

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 11, 2008 3:33 PM

macthesmoggie wrote...

Geordie Lurker....

You obviously feel the need to keep in touch with what the Boro fans feel. Perhaps you're trying to see what your club need to do to emulate the success eminating from Teesside.

Well you should have plenty of time to re-assess and re-group in the Championship next season, because that's where you're going. There isn't much hope for a team that has a worse defence now than when Titus Bramble was there.!


Posted by: macthesmoggie  | February 11, 2008 3:40 PM

raglasher wrote...

One thing Smugpie, it will be a very long time before your beloved Skunks are next in a cup quarter final let alone a final.

Be honest with yourself you are now a supporter of a third rate outfit the way the barcodes are playing you will soon be going to Carlisle to watch them.

Posted by: raglasher  | February 11, 2008 3:48 PM

stockton red wrote...

Edward Kelly are you for real or is this a wind up?
The game on Saturday was not good as a spectacle but it was a 6 point relegation clash where the result was crucial. We got the result we needed.

Presumably you expected Alves up front on his own to beat 5 men and put the ball in from 40 yards? If you expected that then you are either stupid or know very little about the game.

Did you watch Chelsea -Liverpool yesterday.Two of the most expensive teams in the world cancelled each other out in a match that was like a game of chess and offered very little entertainment.

If you know anything about football you will know Anelka is one of the best strikers in the Premier League. Up front and isolated on his own he was largely anonymous - is he useless as well?

Posted by: stockton red  | February 11, 2008 3:58 PM

captain parmo wrote...

Smugpie, I joined this forum (just last week) to escape from the likes of you on 606, don't spoil it already my mate. Are you Mark Viduka in disguise ?

Posted by: captain parmo  | February 11, 2008 4:41 PM

David Morrison wrote...

IGNORE THE USELESS GEORDIES ITS A BORO BLOG, TALK ABOUT BORO........

LET THEM HAVE THEIR SAY ON CENTURY, ITS FULL OF THEM WHINGING ON...

ID LOVE IT IF THEY DID, JUST LOVE IT....

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | February 11, 2008 5:18 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

David Morrison

Where I sit at the top of the North Stand is obviously very different to where you are. I can assure you that the swearing there is not banned or even noticed by the stewards.

There are a couple of blokes near me who get away with the most appalling stuff, and they don't give a toss who hears their very loud, foul-mouthed tirades (aimed at both Boro and the opposition alike, as well as the ref.)

I'm always deeply ashamed for the parents who sit there having this kind of stuff pouring into the ears of their young (often very young) offspring.

I'm not a kill-joy and I can swear with the best of them, but this stuff is just unacceptable and I wish the stewards would act in this case.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | February 11, 2008 5:32 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Captain Parmo

Smugpie cant be Veruka in disguise because he is at least making an appearance.

Truth is I wish the Geordies would keep off our site, the problem is there are probably boro fans having a go on their message boards so it encourages visits.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 11, 2008 5:37 PM

Barnboro wrote...

Never Happy wrote...

Just remember that the way you are heading you may well be playing Barnsley next season, but so what you once came second in the PL and won the FA cup in 1955 and thats what counts.

As a Barnsley and as it happens a Boro supporter, I'm a little hurt that you would single us out for mockery. I hope you do for SU on Sunday and then after we've beaten Liverpool we could meet in the next round.

**AV writes: Blimey! I'd take that scenario in a shot.

Posted by: Barnboro  | February 11, 2008 8:49 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

Attendance for the Fulham match was never going to be a sell out. The match had dreary dogged ground out draw or narrow hard fought victory written all over it long before a ball was kicked.

OK so we add a new big name signing and say we could expect to get a 10% to 15% curiosity value increase traded off against the lowest visiting support in the Premiership.

Of course up in Toonland there would have been 50,000 instead of the 26,000 at the Riverside, there again the population of Newcastle is 270,000 whilst the Boro weighs in at 138,000. Now I'm no mathematician but percentage wise that means circa 19% of the populus.

Unfortunately for the Boro we have Hartlepool over the river to the North and Darlo to the West which basically means a limited catchment area. Now we built a bridge for the barcodes across the River to Gateshead so if we include their entire catchment area that makes for a very low percentage at Sid James Park compared to the Boro.

All very boring but very accurate and puts things into accurate perspective. Watch and wait over the coming months, if GS and co. deliver they will return. Boro fans are not fickle just realists living in a real world.

Meanwhile in Toonland it's the story of a cartoon character named King Kev who exists along side real humans. Eventually, it is revealed that Mike Ashley, the owner of the Jawdies and Toontown, has realised he has been duped!

All fingers point to King Kev, the returning former ex Toon manager. But unfortunately the only person who can prove Kev's innocence is Toon hating Big Sam, a washed-up gum chewing has been who is reluctantly forced into helping when Kev hides in his apartment after another humiliating high scoring defeat.

It's up to Big Sam to clear Kev's name and find the real evildoer before the villainous, power-hungry Chris Mort goes on a mission to bring Kev to justice!

Posted by: Redcar Red  | February 11, 2008 9:19 PM

jc wrote...

RR: Heh heh! Apparently, Toons "are unbounded by the laws of physics, as long as the result is funny." So true.

I have a few thoughts on which current and former players might fit the roles of the weasels. As long as King Kev stays away from the turps though, he should be OK!

Posted by: jc  | February 11, 2008 10:01 PM

Ray Porter wrote...

The result against Fulham was more important than the performance but, even there, positives shone out.

The defence looks solid, O'Neill must be the hardest worker in the division and Aliadiere scored again....Also, but speak it quietly, but it was the well directed nod down by LDG that allowed O'Neill to put the ball through to Aliadiere for him to score.

Alves obviously needs a couple of weeks on the training ground but, when fit, is likely to be a thoroughbred and should help to raise to the next level a team which has recently proved itself at least very hard to beat.

And whilst we look down the table at the 8th biggest club in the world, it raises a smile to see that Geordie Lurker is back. He's obviously in better health than his team, but I guess he might be a little worried that even Sunderland could be above Newcastle after the next round of League games. Troubled times up there.

Posted by: Ray Porter  | February 11, 2008 11:13 PM

Smugpie wrote...

Ian Gill wrote. Truth is I wish the Geordies would keep off our site, the problem is there are probably boro fans having a go on their message boards so it encourages visits.

Got it in one Sherlock ;)

Your lots desperate need to be considered as local rivals is basically unrequited and you will never replace Sunderland "in our affections" so why bother to keep trying.

Never Happy said...... "but so what you once came second in the PL and won the FA cup in 1955", we twice came 2nd in the Premier League actually, and both are things that your own club has never done.

Nice to see your arrogant comments about another club being shot down by one of your own.

Those comments sum your attitude up nicely and clearly show the unpleasant sort of person you really are. :)

Until the next time, you lot "invade", tattybyes!

**AV writes: There are links on the Gazette site to our sister papers at the Chronicle and Journal and vice versa so it is not hard to see where the traffic comes from.


Posted by: Smugpie  | February 11, 2008 11:37 PM

Benny Brown wrote...

We have a ball playing Brazilian International midfielder out of contract shortly, he has been playing for Sydney FC in the "A" League here in Australia.

Sydney have to let him go as they can no longer afford his wages. He would be a sensation playing in the Boro team the way they are now playing real football, not the old McClaren style of boot it up the field and hope for the best.

His name is Juninho, 34, years young and still able to play sparkling football. He would be great as a squad member not playing all the games and only playing half a game when we needed some craft to supply the balls for our new strike force.

Very impressed with the way Aliaderie is playing, not as point striker but in the mould of the old fashioned goal scoring inside forward. Hhis speed is something special and his ball control excellent, he is now acquiring the goal scoring touch which I did not think he would, but all in all he looks great, a very good buy who will only get better as he plays more games.

Give Afonso, I have seen the goals he has scored recently and he is a genuine goal scorer, and with Mido getting fit we are going to give some teams a hiding this season.

**AV writes: Ah, the annual call for the return of Juninho to answer the dearth of creativity, the first sign of spring.

Posted by: Benny Brown  | February 12, 2008 1:38 AM

Richard wrote...

AV:

GAM£39

Since the FA announced the proposal to play 10 premier league matches overseas, there has been considerable denouncement of it from many quarters. It is apparent that The "Against" campaign is overwhelmingly popular amongst domestic fans and is growing.

I'd like to draw attention of your readers to two relevant websites.

Firstly, an easy one for people to participate in. There's now a petition on the Prime Minister's (10 Downing Street) website. People, should they so wish, can electronically sign up to this. The link is

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/EPLabroad/

Secondly, The Football Supporters Federation has mounted a campaign in response to being inundated with requests for concerted action against the proposal. Your readers can access this at the following link.

http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/no-to-game-39/signed.php?ID=&di=#namelist

There are also already several meetings being arranged around the country for fans groups to meet up and discuss possible action. The N East Meeting is at Gateshead Stadium on Tuesday 19th February. Details on the FSF's website.

http://www.fsf.org.uk/game39/no-to-game-39-meetings.html

Posted by: Richard  | February 12, 2008 2:26 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

Pre your blog the Gazette actually encouraged us to visit other boards to create some interest (no doubt the Chronicle and Journal did the same).

It doesnt take many to do so for the insults to fly

**AV writes: If outsiders come on with observations, banter and the odd gentle leg pull I have no problem at all and I am sure you lot can answer them with wit and wisdom.

If they come on to spout bile and regurgitate the base gutter insults that mark this particular non-rivalry then I just hit the big red button and delete it. Which seems to annoy them and usually leads to follow up posts full of swearing and talk of 'freedom of speech'.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 12, 2008 7:16 AM

David Morrison wrote...

RE Clive Hurren...

It is exactly my point, why should memebers of the public have to be subjected to the tirades of foul language? They shouldnt. Thats the problem with modern football..

Im not saying swearing is acceptable however there is a time and a place and at a football match i believe it to be acceptable.
.
It has always been a sport for the people and the people that watch it are your typical working class who go out to work all week knowing they have a ray of sunshine at the end of it in the form of a football game.. ( im included in this group) its a passionate, emotion fuled game and the odd word can be misplaced.

What im saying is the club have got to realise that this is going on and rather than subject kids to it move them to more appropriate areas. We are all aware the north stand is the holgate so why take your kids in there?

Every one has a right to there say and where they sit but segregating the crowd so that the north stand becomes a voice for the whole stadium would increase the noise im certain of that..

Boro songs have been around for years and years and some contain strong language, thats football thats the way it has been and thats why it shouldnt change..

This isnt a swipe at yourself its a look at the ticketing policy and the way modern football is changing..

COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: David Morrison  | February 12, 2008 8:52 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Banboro - 'As a Barnsley and as it happens a Boro supporter, I'm a little hurt that you would single us out for mockery'

No offence intended, I could chose any championship side.

Barnsley seem to be on the up, unlike the Barcodes

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 12, 2008 9:13 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

Fine by me, I have looked at other boards but never posted, it would be intruding on personal grief. At times the Toon site is like clicking on to an episode from 'Life on Mars' where you feel you are Sam Tyler living amongst people from the past.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 12, 2008 10:14 AM

Nigel wrote...

A couple of personal perspectives:

I dont have a problem with swearing at a football match, watching professional football is an outlet from the frustrations of day to day life and swearing is one way to let off steam.

Where it becomes an issue is when the swearing has violent or intimidating intent, that is when the stewards must intervene.

I take my eight year old son to matches and we sit in the corner adjacent to the 'New Holgate' because it has the best atmosphere. With 'atmosphere' comes swearing and that's not an issue for me.

My Dad first heard me say the 'F' word at a match (Bernie had just been flagged offside....again) He put it down to me having just started working at British Steel, Lackenby, which amuses me to this day.

Football matches these days tend to be too sterile, the last thing thats needed is the 'language police' getting involved.

Regarding 'intruders' such as Geordie Lurker & Diablo Derek, I for one enjoy the banter, its a challenge and fills the gaps while we wait for the next issue to debate. The important issue is that personal insults are avoided.

I have to say any barcode fan posting on here at the moment has my respect because lets face it they are on a hiding to nothing!

Posted by: Nigel  | February 12, 2008 11:36 AM

CAPTAIN PARMO wrote...

Vic, just read todays column, re empty seats, and taking up really where I left off Yesterday.

Rows and rows of empty red seats match after match is an awful sight, you explained the "segregation" policy to us yesterday, but in fairness St Gibbo and the Club, in my opinion do themselves no favours.

Numerous postings throughout the years have questioned why Boro don't give concessions to "doley's" "school kids"
"parents and brood" etc etc...

The club replied such ...

"if we made concessions to up the attendance it would be false economy, we would have to employ more stewards more police and more staff to cope with the bigger numbers. This would cost the Club a further £40k a game"

Can you explain "cake and eat it" to me ?? Extra crowd equates in my old eyes to extra revenue, drinks, programme sales, merchandise, burgers etc ..

They baulk at the thought of spending £40k to entice PEOPLE, the ones that want to come to the stadium, yet think nothing of paying the likes of Boksic or Mendy £60k a WEEK for sitting (not even on the bench)doing nowt !!

CAPTAIN PARMO HAS A THORN IN HIS FOOT TODAY !!

**AV writes: There is a point on the graph where reducing prices doesn't make financial sense. We have a ST base of 21,000 and say 5,000 floaters. If you lop a fiver off you need an extra 5000 on the gate on top of that to make up the money lost from giving the concession to the floaters. Experience has shown you don't get them.

The fact is that it has gone beyond price now and there are a host of varied reasons people don't come: can't go with ST mates, access, lack of atmosphere, stewarding, live matches in the pub, poor football, players' wages, hopeless lack of competition in the Premiership, smoking ban even.

The answers to attendance have to go beyond price too. The club need a broad based approach to engage the crowd and improve the entire match day experience to make it one that people want to be part of.

Posted by: CAPTAIN PARMO  | February 12, 2008 12:37 PM

Nigel wrote...

Reading Capt. Parmo on attendance or the lack of, what occurs to me is that back in the 80's football faced a challenge of collapsing attendances and responded impresively.

Today the challenge is much less onerous for Boro particularly. The challenge now is to get another 5000 through the gate regularly. That challenge cannot be beyond the wit of man, but the answer is not to reduce ticket prices, that has been done. It needs a team which consistently plays good football and some creative marketing.

Posted by: Nigel  | February 12, 2008 1:39 PM

CAPTAIN PARMO wrote...

Vic,
that's what my long-winded blurb was about, clubs need the fans, it's not the other way round. Scribes who ask "what else do the club need to do??"

Answer is "a lot more than spend £12 mill on a player"
The Prem's "foreign policy" trawl net that looks like it's gonna get cast will further drive a wedge between the populace and the very reason Clubs were established in the first place.

Fantastic news for non-league clubs me thinks, Synners will be getting crowds of 3000 in 5 yrs time.

I just might be one of them.

Posted by: CAPTAIN PARMO  | February 12, 2008 2:12 PM

Derek Darling wrote...

Oi Vic....A slight change of topic here but one which may interest you for a future article (or maybe not).

Have a look at the thread on this red bindippers (Liverpool) forum near the bottom of the page by berlin_scouser to see a "Jairmans" perspective of English football from a magazine called 11 Freunde.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=130851.0

**AV writes: I've seen that before. It is hard to argue with it.

Posted by: Derek Darling  | February 12, 2008 2:21 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

The price of tickets/red seat debate has raged long and hard. There are a whole bundle of items that make up the Boro experience and price is but one of them. Fail to deliver on one or more of them and the package starts to fall apart and lose its attractiveness.

The problem is once the fans have bolted it is difficult to entice them back in. People find other things to do and rationalise why they are not attending matches.

It will be a long struggle to get numbers up, to do so the club will have to be consistent in its message, to be creative in its efforts to engage with the fans. The club will have to believe in what it is doing and convince the fans to that effect.

I think it will take time and even so we may not get back to the averages of the days when the Riverside was extended. History shows that we have never been a well supported club, the demographics just arent there.

What would help the atmosphere is not restricting numbers of away fans of clubs with a large following.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 12, 2008 4:10 PM

dave wrote...

Think it is clear that Alves is going to frustrate fans. He is not the sort to run around chasing a lost ball and putting pressure on defenders. He isn't particularly strong in the air.

I think he will form a partnership with Tuncay.

Southgate has to retune the tactics and formation to play to Alves' strength. Otherwise it will be a waste of £13m. Teach the likes of huth to stop hoofing it upfield. Be more creative through the middle.

Posted by: dave  | February 12, 2008 4:41 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

David Morrison

Point taken, mate, but my point is that those who sit near these foul-mouths shouldn't have to put up with it. Wherever you've bought your season ticket you have to put up with what is around you, you've no choice.

I don't know how some of the parents of youngsters stop their kids from using the F and C words all the time when they're hearing them belted out loud and clear hundreds of times every game.

I don't want to sanitize it - I just want these idiots to take a bit of responsibility and realise the offence they cause.

A judiciously placed oath, often in a chant, can be very funny. These oafs are not - they're just an embarrassment.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | February 12, 2008 8:00 PM

Ray Porter wrote...

Concerning Dave's post (12 Feb 4.41pm):

Give Alves a chance! He's only just got off the aeroplane and hadn't played a game since 27 December. He did on occasions run deep into our half as we defended in the last quarter of the game against Fulham.

Look at his scoring pedigree in 2 European countries. You can't do more than be the top scorer. He will come good when fit.

Posted by: Ray Porter  | February 12, 2008 9:15 PM

gt wrote...

This argument we are not a well supported club is redundant. Since my first experience at A Park 1960, apart from the initial move to the Riverside when it was the first new stadium built for 50 yearsand fans came from all over the country(away fans) to experience it, Boros average gate up untill then,forget promotion years was about 16,000.

Today its probably 25,000-31000,i think thats a well supported club. The reason the mackems have a larger attendances, they expect a one off, so,when you dont expect to stay up , better get down there to see the top teams while you can

Posted by: gt  | February 13, 2008 5:51 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

gt

Too right, the days of bumper attendances in the late 40's is the only era we averaged 30,000+ until the Riverside was built. That was the time Maine Road got 83,000 and most clubs got their record attendances.

The problem now is that there is so much football on TV and the media in general the empty seats have become an issue to be commented upon.

**AV writes: When gates dip on terraces the punters just spread out a bit. With seats it is alarmingly visible.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 13, 2008 10:12 AM

Never Happy wrote...

So Keith Lamb thinks is OK to play a 39th game overseas?

Middlesbrough chief executive Keith Lamb has told BBC Tees he is largely in favour of the Premier League's proposal to play matches abroad in 2010/11.
Speaking at Tuesday's Boro Fans' Forum, Lamb admitted the financial aspects of an extra game are attractive.

He said: "It's not all about money but it's not far off when you sit on my side of the table.

"Everything is expensive and so if we can get another £5m out of playing in a foreign country it's a big help to us."

Lamb does have some reservations about the proposal, particularly on a football level.

"I can only find one flaw in it and that is the one that has been described as the 'sporting integrity flaw'," he said.

"I find it odd that you can play 39 games and it might mean that one of those games is against a team you have to play three times.

"That is the only reason I can find for not doing it."


Exactly why it can not happen. Mr Lamb says receiving £5m for one game is a big help. Not if that game was to decide if a team was to be relegated.

£5m would then becomes peanuts and if the game was seeded against a top 4 side even harder for the bottom team to win.

A good article by Oliver Holt explains in his opinion why it should not be allowed to happen.

It can be read at http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/columnists/holt/

Posted by: Never Happy  | February 13, 2008 11:45 AM

tink54 wrote...

Here we go again the old Boro chestnut, our attendances!

I've been supporting Boro since the 60's and the media used to go out it then as they do now. I can remember the 1974/75 season, our 1st season back in the 1st Division for 20 years. 28000 average, Finished 7th and our gates were 7th highest but the division. They still moaned.

Can I say it was a bit unfair to have a photo of the empty stadium 45mins before kick off. Come on!

Boro on a roll? For goodness sake we've only won 3 home games since September!

Poor attendances compared to who? Newcastle and Sunderland? Both 'cities' are twice the population of Middlesbrough, and when it comes to catchment area's they are far bigger than Boro's.

When Boro first moved to the Riverside Stadium it was sexy to support Boro. TV screens in the concourse! I knew people who went then who'd hardly ever been to a game in their lives yet they'd bought season tickets. They've all gone now.

I'm a committed supporter but if I wasn't I'd have to think twice about forking out 60, 70 or 80 quid to go and see Boro v Fulham with my family.

If Boro had stuck to there original 28000 seater stadium we would have been playing with the ground over 90% full every week.


Posted by: tink54  | February 13, 2008 12:14 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

All the talk about re-engaging with the fans seems a little pointless when the club is in favour of the 39th match. Poor Gate thought it was 1st of April so clearly the communication is excellent.

It seems the only people in favour are the Premiership owners. To be fair to the money men you cant blame for trying to maximise returns, the problem is where is it going to end with so many owners who are not football people or from overseas. It certainly wont help our bid for the football world cup!

Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 13, 2008 12:58 PM

Mark wrote...

Hi AV. Following his scoring exploits, i see the crowd now sing the name of Jeremie Aliadiere to the tune of KC and the sunshine band's 'Give it up'.

If Mido ever gets himself fit perhaps Boz Scaggs 'Lido shuffle' could be the next nostalgic anthem adopted by the crowd to celebrate a goal? However, until then it looks like another month of very different nostalgic shuffles for the Egyptian forward.....the truffle shuffle!


Posted by: Mark  | February 13, 2008 1:05 PM

CAPTAIN PARMO wrote...

Attendances...

The "peoples" game has gone, it no longer belong to us. Go back just 30 years, how many ICI/British Steel/Smith's Dock workers do you know would have gone to play golf instead of "goin' the match" ??

Today £35 a ticket for footy?! Where there's no guarantee of what fayre will be served up, where the ball is in play about 50 mins? Opposed to £17.50 for a 3 hr game of golf and a guaranteed good old laugh, £25 for a theatre ticket and guaranteed entertainment (you know why you're there) or £35 for 4 cinema tickets and a bucket for the kids.

Sorry but even Champions League football at the Boro would only attract the affluent one timers, the lack of finance in the everday fan's pocket is the issue. He will continue to think twice about where he will spend it.

Posted by: CAPTAIN PARMO  | February 13, 2008 1:05 PM

Scott Jackson wrote...

If you're going to rant about prices Parmo, at least get the price right.

It's £24 a ticket for Boro for most games if you don't have a season ticket in the North.

I'm struggling to think of how you have a "guaranteed laugh" watching Golf as well? I'd rather watch paint dry.

Posted by: Scott Jackson  | February 13, 2008 2:09 PM

Nigel wrote...

I see from a poll on the Boro web site that 54% of fans expect Boro to finish 10th or higher!

They clearly haven't done the maths. I'm an eternal optimist and by reckoning we will have to go some to finish 11th.
Still there is nothing wrong with dreaming.

Posted by: Nigel  | February 13, 2008 2:40 PM

captain parmo wrote...

Scott, I'm not ranting about prices it's my opinion as to why Boro will struggle to recapture their lost flock, some tickets are £35 *took that price to make a comparison*

I don't watch golf, it's £17.50 to partake, and if you'd seen me and me mates play you'd pay £17.50 to watch us !!
That's how you get a "guaranteed laugh"

Posted by: captain parmo  | February 13, 2008 3:21 PM

deka wrote...

Miido another month away from being fit. What an absolute joke. He will just about be fit for end of season run in, then after his hollibobs he will come back LARDY again and we will start the whole process again. £6m wasted.

Ship him out end of season. He is a waste of time as his previous 8 clubs will testify to. Never mind Gareth, you can't win them all. You got Dong Gook wrong, Jason Euell wrong Mido wrong - lets hope Alves is the one striker you get right.

Posted by: deka  | February 13, 2008 3:33 PM

mark j wrote...

Boro are putting Mido through a rigorous training schedule at Rockliffe Park and the striker is getting stuck into the task.

YEH I'VE SEEN THE EGG EATING COMP ON COOL HAND LUKE
Mido has shed some unwanted weight over the past few weeks and will come back hopefully leaner and hungrier. MORE EGGS

Posted by: mark j  | February 13, 2008 3:33 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

That photo of Mido that goes with his 'battle for fitness' look just like my Nan's sister, It seems my whole life has been a lie!

What next, Steve Bruce is my Nan?

I dont know who anybody is anymore.

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | February 13, 2008 3:36 PM

Nigel wrote...

Its a good sign when we start to squabble about attendances, it shows we have nothing else to worry about.

Roll on sunday, when we can get stuck into some more footie!

Posted by: Nigel  | February 13, 2008 4:05 PM

Boris Shufflebottom wrote...

Anybody who refers to "catchment areas" deserves to be strung up by their danglies and whpiped with a piece of wet lettuce. Just saying like!

Posted by: Boris Shufflebottom  | February 13, 2008 5:51 PM

Bob wrote...

AV,

how about a blog on the proposed International Round. You have a fair few posters from overseas and it might be interesting to see how their view differs from home based fans.

mind, you seem to have few posters from Baku and I'm not sure Azerbaijan is one of the countries the EPL is dreaming of!

Posted by: Bob  | February 13, 2008 10:01 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

From BBC's gossip column

Tottenham's players still have to lose about half of the 16-stone target set by fitness coach Marcos Alvarez, who has stopped them eating cakes, chocolate muffins and sweets. (Mirror)

A bit like Midriff then, wonder who will get there first?


Posted by: Ian Gill  | February 14, 2008 10:23 AM

Richard wrote...

AV: So we are agreed then? It is all about money and power.

**AV writes: Of course. That is the reason d'etre of the Premier League, the G-14 and the new breed of investors.

Posted by: Richard  | February 14, 2008 11:00 AM

Richard wrote...

Second thoughts then AV ? There one minute - gone the next!! Was it the reference to News International?

**AV writes: No, Lambie made me do it on pain of death! The assumption of conspiracism always make me laugh.

It has just been moved to a new thread.

Posted by: Richard  | February 14, 2008 11:04 AM

Richard wrote...

AV: Hey, listen chum - it was you that mentioned conspiracism!!

I know it's semantic, but don't you think it's a thin line (or maybe even a convenient semi-permeable membrane) between "conspiracism" and "partnership" as we supposedly have between the Premier League, The FA and the TV networks?

PS I'm looking forward to your next thread/ blog!!

**AV writes: I agree it is semantics. When the same company that owns the primary broadcaster and stumps up the prizes also has shares in clubs and owns the majority of the press that trumpets the glories of the product seven days a week then you can use far stronger words and still fall short of the reality.

Posted by: Richard  | February 14, 2008 11:33 AM

Malc wrote...

Come on Vic, get exercising your fingertips. No new blog in an age.

**AV writes: Hit your refresh button.

Posted by: Malc  | February 14, 2008 4:33 PM

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