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Shot Shy Boro Squander Chance To Pull Clear

Posted by on January 19, 2008 10:31 PM | 

TWO precious points dropped at Blackburn and another striking example of exactly why Boro are looking to splash out big on a ruthless no frills finisher that can just hammer them in.

Tuncay's inexplicable tangle two yards out ten minutes into the second half was the result of misjudgement and over-elaboration when a good old fashioned welly or Slavenesque side-foot would have done the job far more effectively. Two minutes before Aliadiere raced clear into the box and tried to slot it in at the far post but it rolled wide when if he had squared it to O'Neil arriving unmarked it would surely have been buried. Then goal machine Wheater smacked a powerful header against the bar. Then Downing had a header hoofed off the line. And Aliadiere should have Brad Friedl and the ball in the back of the net. Archie would have.

But Boro paid the price for squandering those chances when Rovers levelled, Matt Derbyshire again coming off the bench to swiftly score just as he had at the Riverside in August. It was a sickening blow. Boro had Rovers reeling but lacked the killer punch, a squeamish streak of genteel vegetarian pacifism when callous blood-spattered butchery was needed.

It was frustrating, and disappointing but wasn't a poor performance, whatever the press, the match stats (Blackburn had 14 "shots" to Boro's ten and six corners to our six) or the BBC highlights might suggest. Boro showed silk and steel, were robust in defence during Rovers' 15 minute first half scrappy spell of pressure, were confident in possession and looked crisp and confident as they broke forward fluidly and in numbers. This was a good team performance in every aspect bar one. Unfortunately it the one that counts.

Rovers did have a spell in which they bombarded Boro's box with the impressive David Bentley at the heart of everything but his shots flew over or wide and the nearest them came as was when Schwarzer spilled a free-kick then fumbled it wide. Apart from that Boro looked secure until the defence lost Darbyshire for the leveller. Some observations:

Reffing Hell! It's not often players go public and have a pop at the ref - that is usually the managers preprogative and besides, you can get fined for stuff like - but a distinctly dis-chuffed Luke Young did just that after the game. The in-form defender revealed after the game he "had a word" with the ref at half-time, said the inexperience of the new man in the middle showed (Keith Stroud of Hampshire is in his first season in the top flight) and that he felt the whistle-blower had favoured the home side. For convoluted reasons of post-match press-conference politics they are "not my quotes" so it would be unethical to use them but watch out for them because they will be all over the Monday papers.

He has a point. Twice in the first two minutes the ref got decisions on corners wrong at both ends of the pitch that went against Boro. And in a game in which tackles were flying in on both sides all over the pitch the foul count soared to a bruising new high of 26-7 in Rovers favour on the Infringement Index, a figure so high that Uncle Eric had to continue on a separate sheet.

Despite that though he managed to alienate the home fans too. He was booed off at half-time because they felt the Boro free-kick that led to the opening goal had been given the wrong way and I have some sympathy with that because tackling machine George Boateng, who appeared to be on a one man quest to personally bruise every single opposition player, certainly looked to snapping at Rovers ankles in a little melee that led to the whistle.

Armband Antics: Julio Arca started the match as Boro captain ahead of Boateng just as at Portsmouth he wore it ahead of the increasingly injury ravaged Jonathan Woodgate. After he retired hurt at half-time it was taken up not by General George but by blood-and-guts battlers Emanuel Pogatetz. Who knows who will wear it next week?

Elsewhere King Kev gave the Newcastle captaincy to Little Micky in a bridge building PR gesture after his ill-judged auto-biog assassination and Juande Ramos gave the Spurs prefects badge to Jermaine Defoe to massage his ego after touting him around. It seems the once permanent prestigious position that reflected innate qualities of leadership has become a moveable feast and a tool of dressing room politics. Maybe Stewie Downing should get it next as a demonstration that Southgate wants him to stay.

It is understandable that the gaffer has taken the armband off George. It is only a fortnight ago that he was "too emotional" to play at Bristol after the traumatic effects of a training ground toy scattering and his agent was scuttling around trying to drum up interest from other clubs. Having asserted his authority by dropping him Southgate has since brought him back into the fold hungry, fired up and with a point to prove and without the weight of responsibility Boateng has looked a livelier, more focussed and more effective player.

But it leaves a vacancy for an on-field leader. Woodgate seems to be out more than in of late so by default it has been passed down the line. Arca is a creative powerhouse but does not jump out as an iconic motivator in the Mowbray mould . Pogo will certainly be the first over the top but is not neccessarily the calm and collected type, looking out for the body language of other and delivering the timely quiet word. Huth could be a candidate...

Boss Bust Up: Get stuck in Gareth! Chin him Coops! With tempers threatening to bubble over on the pitch niggley Welshweight scrapper Mark Hughes sparked a toe-to-toe face off in the technical area too as frustration got the better of him and allowed the Boro boss to demonstrate that he had passion too.

Ryan Nelsen wiped out Aliadiere down on the touchline right in front of the dug-outs on 66 minutes leaving the ball to roll free towards Hughes. With Rovers chasing the game and increasingly frantic the Rovers boss was on the point of spontaneous human combustion at the Boro man staying down in pain and in frustration and eagerness to get play restarted he rolled the ball and it hit the prostrate Frenchman on the back. Not hard, but that's not the point.

In a flash Southgate rounded on Hughes, delivering some choice words and "lets be having you" body language. Never one to shirk a tear up Hughes stormed up over and the pair squared up with Colin Cooper quickly joining in. There was pointing and gesticulating before the fourth official and the various benches waded in to pull the bosses apart. "Oway, he's not worth it." It was reminiscent of Steve McClaren's barney with David Moyes: entertaining, ultimately harmless but excellent public relations with a fighting flash of passion. For a manager that is supposed to be "too nice", Southgate is showing a steely side of late and that can only be good for the team and his relationship with fans that demand an occasional snarl.

It's Not A Knockout: Wordy self-parody Stuart Hall was at the game. Having heard him spout cobblers in the press room beforehand I dread to think what spiel he came out on the radio. But his presence had me thinking that Boro had wasted their joker.

On a day when Derby, Fulham, Sunderland, Birmingham and Reading all lost and Bolton drew, victory would have felt like it counted double. We have missed a golden chance to carve out some breathing space. As it is we gained one point and one place but are still vulnerable. There are some big games coming up, starting with the six pointer against Wigan (who had boss Mrs Doubtfire taking notes at Ewood) and we must make those games count.

Comments (50)

bradinho wrote...

MOTD actually showed some decent highlights of our game (obviously ridiculed Tuncay) and gave us due credit.

It was very interesting to hear Phil Thompson on SSSS refer to Wheater as Beckenbauer......

Oh and for the record I think that the strip choice is decent, I mean it is actually quite hard to vary such a distinct and rigid design - just ask Manure, Everton, Lpool etc. We cannot have the same old classic 70's strip every season!

Posted by: bradinho  | January 20, 2008 1:50 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

The match certainly highlighted our need for a striker but you cant help feeling these are professional footballers.

The professional part means many of have them get paid in a week what most fans get paid in a year. It also means they get paid to practise evry day. If some of those misses had been perpetrated by a Sunday league player he would be sat in the corner of the Blueball, Coronation or the Brambles farm all on his own in the corner, the only time he would be allowed to speak would be to the order punishment beers for his team mates.

It was a good days results for the Boro but could have been even better with some daylight between us and the pack. Even Bolton getting a point was more than offset by it spoiling King Kev's party.

Just need Everton to do a job on Wigan. Then we can look forward to having a real go when they come to the Riversdie.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 20, 2008 8:00 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV
A PS. As we are talking about strikers, from reports the KNVB reconvened Friday to discuss Alves. Any news?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 20, 2008 8:07 AM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

It feels like we've lost. I watched the whole game live over here, and I never thought for more than a few frantic second half minutes that Blackburn were going to get anything from that game.

It could and should have been 4-0 to Boro, and it probably rates as one of our best away performances, but hell it is so bloody frustrating watching your team tear apart the opposition on the break, but with no end product.

We are still at the wrong end of the table and still not clear of the "r" zone, when 3 points against Liverpool last week and 3 against Blackburn would have seen us well clear.

But it's no good harping on about it, Southgate knows where we are lacking and if all is to be believed he is doing his best to add more firepower.

But first and foremost he must get the big Egyptian back, because we know that any new players may not make an instant impact in the Premier League.

The next obvious step to me is play Wheater as an out and out centre forward.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | January 20, 2008 8:46 AM

Jarkko wrote...

Yes, a pity we lost two points. But remember we've lost six times to them in succession!

So AV is right that Boro are playing well and nicely lately. We do need a goal scorer (and Mido) but things do look good already now. Quite frankly one can expect Boro to win any game now - away or against teams like L'pool or the Arsu (Gunners).

PS. How can I get the Pig Pag Anthem as a ring tone to my Nokia mobile? My number is +358 44 503 3361 here in Finland...

**AV writes: Phones are really not my department. Have you tried asking a teenager?

Posted by: Jarkko  | January 20, 2008 8:55 AM

BoroWestOz wrote...

After watching this game in the early hours (5-1 to Boro would have been a fair result) it certainly reinforces the need for a goal scorer.

Posted by: BoroWestOz  | January 20, 2008 8:57 AM

tonyblack wrote...

Yes, two massive points lost and how i'll just never know !

How many chances ????

We should have won that hands down and the fact that we created these chances is espcially good to see.

A special mention has to go to Wheater who has had a perfect start to his career. Well done lad. I hope we don't just sell him off for a few daft quid.

That said, the league table is still a worry, and again the next game is massive. But at least we can go into it a lot more positive.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | January 20, 2008 9:21 AM

Danny wrote...

AV....

The Sunday Sun used to be available to read through the icTeesside (Gazette) website but not any longer.

Always good to read the latest Boro gossip especially as the Gazette isn't published on a Sunday. Why isn't it on the Gazette website anymore? it is still available through icNewcastle but it is all barcodes news - can you find out about icTeesside and Sunday Sun please.

Thanks.

**AV writes: I shall ask the question.

Posted by: Danny  | January 20, 2008 9:53 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

You've said it all, really. We MUST, MUST MUST (sorry for shouting) sort out a striker or two NOW - not as Ian always says is most likely, in a mass panic as midnight approaches on the 31st.

Was there conversation between Gate and Hughes about Roberts? We should secure him or someone like him from the Prem, blow Fred out now and use our public lack of patience over him to put the pressure on Alves and his representatives.

The Prem has now neatly divided into 2 halves. Before the Sunday games there is a 10 point gap between us and the Hammers. We're not going to make that up.

Our only goal now is to finish top of the 'Bottom Half League' and the first priority is 6 wins for 40 points and with as many of those wins (and certainly no defeats) against the teams also in the BHL.

That needs to start against Wigan in 2 weeks. Let's make sure we start that game with 2 strikers who know how to put chances away!

We can supplement the struggle in the BHL with a Cup run - so no playing a weakened team next week. I dread to think what could happen if they get ahead and what damage a humiliation could do to our Prem form.

Posted by: John Powls  | January 20, 2008 11:35 AM

Big mets..Boro 4 ever!! wrote...

Same as the above on all points....very well payed Boro but same old post as every week, in fact i should copy and paste this ready for next Sunday.

Chances missed again, The fact that Boro seem unable to score 2 is a real problem, even at 1-0 or 1-1 you never feel safe, I watched us against Liverpool last week and at Blackburn yesterday and even when we are winning 1-0 and on top it just seems inevitable that we are gonna blow it!! for me 4 points dropped in a week.

Its gotta be really soul destroying for the lads in defence knowing that they have to keep a clean every game because we are not capable of scoring more than one.
I do feel that it is only a matter of time before we give some one a real good spanking 3/4-0.

I really find it strange that we have not secured a new forward by now, that's 4 games this Month passed and we have missed chances in all of them...why is it taking so long??

I always like to end on a positive so here goes...we have played very well over the last Month and you can really see what the Gates trying to achieve and I'm pleased that the Boo boys seem to have packed in getting on players/managers backs as everyone can see that we arn't that bad, IF ONLY WE CAN FINISH!!

Also Midos return will be like a new signing lets not forget how well he played in the few games he has played.

also if Ally could only finish we would have a hell of a forward..pace,quick thinking and direct..unfortunately he cannot hit a barn door with a Uzi ha.

And its kinda in Boros hands if we can sort out are home record we still have Fulham,Wigan,Derby,Bolton,Reading at home and scumberland and the Barcodes away all are must wins.

ps well done Tunks for his MOTD goal of the month....i bet that really hurt the 4 Boro lovers on the panel...up urz Hansen!!

Posted by: Big mets..Boro 4 ever!!  | January 20, 2008 1:21 PM

John Powls wrote...

On the subject of strikers - if there are still any thoughts harboured in the dim recesses of anyone's 'mind' at MFC about Hulse then show them the tape of yesterday's Sheffield derby and understand why such thoughts need to be banished for ever.

Posted by: John Powls  | January 20, 2008 7:32 PM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

On your "Armband Antics bit Vic, I believe like you that George's perfomances have been enhanced now that he is no longer captain (was this the cause of the dummy spitting incident?)

In the current scheme of things it's difficult to choose who should wear the armband, and if not George then surely not Arca, who has yet to find his form again following his lay off.

I personally would give it to Mani or Huth, on the basis that I don't think Woody is much of a conversationalist on the park and often appears emotionally disconnected from his team mates.

I also believe that defenders are positioned better to see what is happening further upfield, and invariably can lead from the back.

But it seems that Southgate just can't make his mind up who is best suited for the job.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | January 21, 2008 8:41 AM

Mac in the Bak(u) wrote...

Anyone else on here think there is more than a passing resemblance between Wheater and Boro's greatest ever captain? (with respect to George Hardwick)
Mowbreys love child to get the armband!!

Posted by: Mac in the Bak(u)  | January 21, 2008 9:21 AM

Nigel wrote...

Before the start of the Blackburn match I would have been happy with a point, but having seen the SKY highlights it was clearly an opportunity for three points missed.

With Mido or 'Hypothetika' on the pitch we would have won by three or four. Still to be positive it was an excellent performance which bodes well for the rest of the season.

Changing the subject watching the recent owners antics at Newcastle and the farce which the liverpool situation is descending into, clearly having a mega rich foreign owner pitch up is not the football paradise that many believed it would be for those big clubs.

Of all the prem. clubs which have been bought by foreign owners recently only Villa and Citeh are thriving and it is no coincidence that as well as wealthy owners they both have first class managers.

I for one am very happy that we have Gibbo in charge still, long may it continue, particulary as he now appears to be realising the need to re-engage with us fans.

Posted by: Nigel  | January 21, 2008 9:32 AM

JOHN M. ROGERS wrote...

WHAT IS STEWART DOWNINGS PRESENT SALARY?

IS HE BEING FAIRLY DEALT WITH OR IS HIS AGENT PUTTING HIM UP TO GREEDY TRICKS FOR THE SAKE OF HIS OWN FEE ?

**AV writes: Who can say? He got a big pay rise last time round but that was from being on his first pro contract - hard to see itbeing more that £4/5k - and even if that was increased four or five fold it would still leave him well short of the best paid players.

Since then the likes of Tuncay have come in on a reported £42k. Parity is the name of the game among top players. It is about ego and status as much as the cash.

Posted by: JOHN M. ROGERS  | January 21, 2008 11:01 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Nigel

I stand by my earlier posting, these are professional footballers and these were not chances that needed a specialist striker to finish them.

In fact they were the sort of chances that a good striker would create for other players. Even Alan Green was still talking about us during his commentary yesterday afternoon.

Foreign owners are not always the solution as many a scouser has found out. Their view was that their Yanks were different to Manu's Yanks, dont agree with much that Lpool fans say but tend to agree with that one!

As for new strikers, even aliadianywherebutthenet has taken to saying that Mido will be 'just like a new signing'. Obviously he is training for his coaching badges.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 21, 2008 11:06 AM

bob renshaw wrote...

A very good performance, but another 2 points dropped due to the manager's inability to spot a centre forward from a show pony.

I see we are hoping to force an end to the Alves debacle by effectively paying AZ Alkmaar a 'finder's fee' premium of about £3m on the deal. If Keith had got his finger out in the first week of January, before Alkmaar bid, then we wouldn't be contemplating paying this premium. But hey, we've only known we need a forward for 4 months.

No doubt they'll be moaning soon about needing people to buy season tickets to fund transfers and the club 'we can afford'. 7000 new season ticket holders should just about cover the cost of the latest c--- up.

Posted by: bob renshaw  | January 21, 2008 12:09 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Heard a call to Alan Green on five live on Saturday night.

The callers first remarks were: 'hi Alan did you hear about the big explosion in Newcastle?'

Green sounding a little concerned: 'no'

Caller: 'don't worry it was only the bubble bursting'


Posted by: Never Happy  | January 21, 2008 12:18 PM

Nigel wrote...

Ian - Tuncay's miss was spectacular to say the least, but there are plenty of instances of 'quality' strikers missing sitters, its a fact of life.

Aliadiere made the wrong choice when shooting rather than squaring the ball, probably because he is too desperate to score.

My point is that with a centre forward who has that 'x-factor' of belief that he will score whenever he shoots we will turn good performances into 3 points.

Tuncay and Aliadiere are not bad players because they missed good chances, they are simply not centre forwards and are under pressure and are low in confidence where scoring is concerned.

If they had both been scoring regularly before yesterday both chances would have been buried. I don't think you can justify slagging them off for yesterdays performance.

Posted by: Nigel  | January 21, 2008 2:48 PM

David Morrison wrote...

I was at the game on Saturday and i must say I havnt seen boro that dominant that in control and miss so many chances.

The passing was great, Aliadiers movement caused untold problems and oneill was a constant threat. my man of the match though was Luke young, pedersen never had a kick and he got forward and supported oneill from the off. his passing was neat and provided cover for centre backs on every occassion he was needed.

the defence is looking solid and the competition for places looks as strong as ever. the need for a forward however will not go away until we have signed some one to finish these chances.

Tuncay is a good player but his finishing when he has time to think about it is awfull, same with aliadiere. we need an instinctive poacher who can snuff out these chances and take the chance when it presents itself. (yak would have had a hat trick on saturday no problem).

Alves looks a good player but untested in the premier league. we should test Liverpool with a bid for crouch, some people might laugh but i bet he would give us exactly what we need. Big strong, good in the air, great feet and can score goals in and arouns the box. use the money to get crouch and one other from the lower leagues.

Come on Boro

Posted by: David Morrison  | January 21, 2008 4:09 PM

Never Happy wrote...

AV - Any rumours at Gazette towers ref:

Woodgate to the skunks before the transfer window closes.

**AV writes: Plenty of rumours...

Posted by: Never Happy  | January 21, 2008 4:20 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Bob Renshaw

The Count is not guilty as far as Alves is concerned. The contract with AZ appears to have been signed back in December but not signed by Heerenveen. AZ thought they were due to have Alves from 5th Jan but the transfer didnt go through and Heerenveen still hold the registration.

I dont know the figures but if we have to pay a fee to AZ on top of what we were going to pay Heerenveen that could be a problem.

From what I have read I dont think a fee has been agreed yet so that could be another problem - hopefully AV will correct any errors in my reading of the situation.

It looks like a few more airmiles for the Count before this is sorted one way or the other. We could be in for Rob Hulse yet!

**AV writes: It will be brinkmanship all the way now on Alves. AZ will want to make a profit but can't afford to hold onto a player who doesn't want to be there and has already been on 'strike' once this season. Boro may try to take it down to the wire to screw the price down.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 21, 2008 5:00 PM

gt wrote...

ive had the chance to see alot of games recently involving teams around us the latest being w.ham v man c,and really apart from maybe the top 2-3 teams theres nothing to fear,in this league.

We have got to go out and get after it,if you play not to lose ,chances are you wont win

Posted by: gt  | January 21, 2008 9:58 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

Well done to Gareth and the team for the Blackburn performance. Things certainly seem to be improving and we look to be only a striker away before everything clicks. Hopefully that striker is not too far away.

Don't know the full scenario of the Captaincy and the Boat but it clearly did not sit comfortably with him and his performances of late since being relieved of it have been a revelation.

Wheats needs to be signed up immediately, we cannot afford a typical protracted Boro contract farce.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | January 21, 2008 10:01 PM

BoroWestOz wrote...

A V - Did I understand your comments about Downings wages correctley, 4 to 5 thousand pounds per week? If this is so compared to 40 plus thousand for Tuncay and others, it is almost like sending kids down chimneys and paying them with a bowl of soup. No body could blame Downing for going to another club.

**AV writes: No, I guessed that would be what he was on before he signed his new deal two years ago. Then I guessed that because he was a hot new talent the current deal was a massive improvement worth maybe four or five times more. So I guess he would be somewhere around the £20-25k mark plus bonuses... but yes, it is still some way short of what the top earners are on and what he could get elsewhere.

Posted by: BoroWestOz  | January 21, 2008 11:02 PM

Ken wrote...

I will go out on a limb, with the prediction that Alves will play at some point against Mansfield...

**AV writes: That's pushing it. Maybe coming off the bench for the last 20 at Newcastle.

Posted by: Ken  | January 22, 2008 2:05 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Nigel

OK, they are not professional footballers, they dont get paid more per week than fans get in a year, they dont spend their time practising rather than working 40,50 60 hours a week on a production line or emptying bins.

There were other players who could have done more as well. They know they have done badly and whatever I write cannot change the facts. They get praise from my keyboard when they do well.

A scenario, 1-0 up at Mansfield and a hopeful cross is played into our box, Swarz comes out unchallenged and spills it to their centre forward, 1-1

Or Boat spends the match giving away free kicks and passing to their players, makes a back pass straight to their centre forward who knocks it in.
(Watford last season)

Or Rocky and Arca showboat when we are 2-0 up and hand the intiative to the other team and we lose 3-2 (Reading).

They would all get slaughtered on the board. It is a unique cap, one size fits all. Ronaldo got away with it against Reading, he scored with his seventh attempt.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 22, 2008 9:04 AM

Andy wrote...

Ian.

Your right about Lamb being in the clear over this one. The AZ deal was first reported in December. He's obviously sharp but some of the defending was laughable.

I notice there is another Andy on the board so I'll go capital even though I was here first!!!

Not much to add to other views except to say that was perhaps the most complete away performance from us in a long time. Complete apart from one thing obviously but as we all know now, we are actually only a good centre forward away from being a good side, albeit the squad is a bit on the thin side.

The brand of football is refreshing and I think Gate has bought well. He is showing in his dealings with Woody/ Boat etc that he is his own man and is finally putting his stamp of authority on the club.

A friend of mine and former employee of the club who knows him has said for a while that he is a nice guy but utterly ruthless when necessary.

Why is the blog quieter when things are going well (comparatively)? Surely we dont love a good moan that much?! Two points off the bottom 3 and the feelgood factor is returning. Funny game football!

**AV writes: I think a lot of people are holding their breath (and their fire) while they wait on Alves.

Having been caught on camera with the player at the Riverside the club now have to deliver. If they do, well it could be "the final piece of the jigsaw" but if they don't then I think all hell will break loose.

Posted by: Andy  | January 22, 2008 9:19 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

AV, If your estimate of Downing's wage is accurate then he's probably quite a bit down the list of best paid players at the club.

He'll surely be behind Tuncay, Woodgate, Huth, O'Neil, Rocky, Mido, Mendi and if he arrives Alves.

Given that he's played every game this season and is arguably one of our most effective players, it only goes to show that wages don't reflect a players worth.

BTW: I'm a little concerned by the picture you paint of Boro fans holding their breath for a week whilst also holding a gun - It can't be healthy...

**AV writes: I'm not sure about O'Neil and Rocky... although both those would have had a decent signing on fee to be factored in. I stress it is only a guess.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | January 22, 2008 9:56 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

The Alves situation shows the problems inherent in the January window. They are not all of our making and we shouldnt blame the Count for everything.

The club did leave the team striker light in August which makes the situation tougher in this window.

Going back to the point I keep repeating, if Alves comes it looks like it is 23.59 on the 31st Jan. He hasnt played any football for some time and by all accounts hardly ran himself into the ground when he did play as he tried to get away - the fact he struck says it all. That is a plus point, he can at least strike!

He is not going to be match fit, his hamstrings will sound like the third violin in the school orchestra. If we play him too soon he will be left to the tender mercies of our medical staff.

And that premise is based on him coming. Of course the club are probably beavouring away at other targets and we may have a surprise or two before the window shuts.

It may well be down to what we have at the moment for a few weeks yet. Anyone seen Mido?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 22, 2008 10:08 AM

Nigel wrote...

Rather ironic that we can't score goals for love nor money and yet we have won 'goal of the month' two months in a row!

If MoTD had 'miss of the month' then Tuncay would be getting another award for January.

Posted by: Nigel  | January 22, 2008 10:16 AM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

I watched the second half of Lens v Lyon last night to have a look at Fred and he did come on as a sub with 30mins to go

.Lyon were losing 2nil and he hardly had a touch of the ball and when he did it was a disinterested bad touch, he took a free kick that went closer to the corner flag than the goal and people were saying 8 million and sniggering .

We should try and sell Lyon Lee dong gook for 10million looking at that performance by Fred!

The man who is keeping Fred out of the Lyon team 'Benzema' looks good,tall strong and good with his feet.

We should go for Peter Crouch , headers and knock downs from DOWNING and scores goals that our boys are missing and proven in the Prem.

Well done Southgate on buying Young and O'NEIL as they together with the rest of the team are playing great football, we just need the finish.

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | January 22, 2008 11:26 AM

mark j wrote...

Get Wheater on a decent contract Now!

Posted by: mark j  | January 22, 2008 11:32 AM

Phil ex Warrenby wrote...

Please God a centre forward for Feb.

It is pure agony watching all those chances go begging. The times we have lost games that we had in the bag is simply torture.for all of us, and on top of all the misses we never seem to get a Ref who will give us the benefit of the doubt,

I cant count the number of free kicks against us, just outside of the Penalty area,is it just me or has anyone else noticed? The fouls count on Sat. was something like 26 to seven in B'burns favour.

That said we have to stop picking up Yellow cards,or it will cost us in the long run. I mean... cards for dissent are just stupid and costly to the team

Posted by: Phil ex Warrenby  | January 22, 2008 11:35 AM

Jarkko wrote...

I finally got the PigPag ring tone from:
http://www.ringtones4all.com/index.php?page=polypop&num=1222

I got the tip directly from Gordon Cox at Middlesbrough FC. So a big thank you to him.

I just wonder if they are as helpfull at clubs like Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsu, etc? Our team is still very, very special...

Up the Boro!

Posted by: Jarkko  | January 22, 2008 12:40 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Boro allegedly have more than one option when it comes to buying a centre forward.

Do Boro know they are going to sign Alves, or is it a case of hoping to sign Alves then a panic buy if the deal collapses?

Posted by: Never Happy  | January 22, 2008 1:23 PM

Nigel wrote...

I agree with Ian, if we do sign Alves, his impact on the remainder of the season will be limited.

Tthat said if he justs walks into the box and patiently waits he'll score more than our current forwards. Still if we get Mido fit and a half fit Alves that is 1.5 goal scorers more than we have now.

Just to add my name to the petition, get Stewie and Wheater signed up pdq.

Posted by: Nigel  | January 22, 2008 3:43 PM

Never Happy wrote...

JP, Ian
Good news for you two, Fulham are buying Cousin's from Rangers for £3m.

Rangers have been quoted £3.5m for Luke Moore from Villa, but are unhappy about the price.

I know which one I would buy at the prices mentioned.

Moore could be a good buy at that price, he is only 21 and would be a good addition to the Boro squad.

Posted by: Never Happy  | January 22, 2008 4:03 PM

Never Happy wrote...

more good news

Newcastle striker Shola Ameobi is a target for Portsmouth, but Pompey boss Harry Reknapp won't use Sol Campbell as part of the deal. (Newcastle Evening Chronicle, 1435 GMT)

Posted by: Never Happy  | January 22, 2008 4:05 PM

Richard wrote...

Some thoughts about the brinkmanship in the transfer window:

AZ know the level of interest from Premiership clubs in Alves. They also know Boro are "very keen", if not "desperate" for at least one quality striker. Our league position is public knowledge and we've been expressing an interest in Alves since last summer and we've been strongly linked to having an interest in Fred.

Alves must have felt reasonably happy with a move to AZ as recently as December (although I don’t understand how discussion and signing of such contracts could have been allowed to happen outside of a transfer window?) and therefore presumably, he would not be terribly unhappy at the prospect of a delayed move away from AZ?

He wouldn’t have signed if he was intrinsically unhappy with the terms on offer. It’s presumably because Boro can top AZ’s offer that he’s now expressing preference.

Any Downing departure before the close of the transfer window will be dependent on sourcing a replacement (in addition to Alves) and having that pretty-well in the bag (terms and contract fees agreed with player and club) before any signature on Downing's release.

There will presumably need to be a promise or receipt of an agreed acceptable figure for Downing from another club. Boro it would appear, haven't as yet received one and Downing hasn't therefore, been free to talk terms with them.

Chaves Fred, his agent, and Lyon have already shown their own brinkmanship credentials and neither party appears to be particularly happy with the situation.

However they have closed ranks (for public consumption?) at least at present. But they're playing the waiting game and the worst that can happen there is that Fred stays with them on the bench (or in the gym) until the end of the season, at which point, Lyon will be open to bidders again and would expect to get good money for him.

Therefore, all, with the exception of Boro, would appear to be reasonably content to sit it out until the end of their respective seasons, when transfer matters can be sorted out for "want-aways" at a more leisurely pace.

The Alves deal is likely to go to right to the wire.

Therefore, given that Downing's exit would be dependant on both the Alves deal going through and the Fred deal, this doesn't leave very much time at all for any serious negotiations and work to be done to complete these interdependent transactions.

Unless of course, a whole load of private negotiations or discussions have been taking place behind the scenes and everything will just suddenly fall into place if and when the Alves thing is resolved.

However, Lyon won't release Fred early as they’ll hold out for distressed purchasers to appear wearing Boro shirts. That is unless we were to make an early offer of really silly money – like of the order of £15-18M (as has been mooted as their current valuation for public consumption) – and that ain’t gonna happen!

So the strategy being adopted by Boro HAS to hinge on the Alves deal going through and THEN, if Fred's price comes down to a figure that Boro can live with, given an equally acceptable offer for Downing, then everything goes through LastMinute.com

Boro's need for a striker would appear to be the most pressing factor in all of this. It doesn't make Keith Lamb's position very easy.

My guess is that we’ll probably get Alves last minute, maybe paying a bit more than we intended and Downing will stay at least until summer. Fred will remain on hold, or if Lyon are truly bluffing big time, we might just snatch him – but I doubt it because of the dependence on having to sell-off Downing to pay for him. And I don’t think there’s time for all of that.

Any other takes on that speculation?

Posted by: Richard  | January 22, 2008 4:12 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Richard.

Certainly credible but let me lob a grenade into the debate.

Boro get the go ahead to sign Alves. He is of course a man of his word having been contracted to Heerenveen and going on strike, then signing a contract with AZ which he wants to get out of to come to the premiership.

Negotiations start and, at the last minute, in come a bigger premiership club who have been biding their time pending a resolution. Luckily Alves is a man of his word...........

Meanwhile Boro do a deal with Spurs to fund the purchase which completes before the Alves deal collapses. Fred stays at Lyon.

Rob Hulse, come on down. He walks through the smoke having spoken the immortal words 'Mathew, this week I am going to be a premiership striker'

**AV writes: I wonder if Rob Hulse knows he has become a cypher for Boro embracing mediocrity?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 22, 2008 5:29 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

If statistics don't lie, then Karim Benzema of Lyon is the most accomplished all-round player in Ligue 1 Orange right now. He tops the goalscoring chart with 13 goals and is placed fourth in the assists ranking.

Fred has not even scored 5 this season in 21 games, he must have been injured or not played as much..?

Just to put the French league in perspective David Bellion [Bordeaux]is second top scorer with 11 goals. Didnt he score 1 goal in 20 appearances for sunderland and 4 in 24 for Man U ?

The game over here is at a higher Level,Lots of players look great on Youtube but the Prem is much harder - Dong Gook Lee is a prime example.

Now is the time to say bonjour to a move for Peter Crouch!
Up the BORO!!!

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | January 22, 2008 8:43 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

The bit that worries me about Rob Hulse is that in a weeks time we may be grateful for him because at least he puts himself about.

Phil ex warrenby, sometimes free kicks just seem to go against you. I was at Forest when we lost 4-0 season after the points deduction. The ref gave us nothing, every single decision went against us. He didnt have a bad game but every 50:50 went to Forest, even the 60:40 challenges went the other way, you couldnt argue with any of his decisions. Weird. I am sure it happens for other clubs but of course you notice it against your own team.

From what I gather the ref had a poor game Saturday so that is something different, it takes a some performance to get both sets of fans and players annoyed.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 23, 2008 8:53 AM

mark j wrote...

Gilly, your man of his word comment is spot on!

Didnt that happen to us many times before, Diego Forlan , Alan Smith twice etc...

Good to see the midfield solid and competition for places as Boateng, Arca and especially Rochenback Playing very well.

Shame when Arca after the Sunderland game was injured and Boateng not on top form and Shawky not quite ready and Adam Johnson playing well at Watford we didnt bring Mendi in as he was playing well and deserved a place.He would have made a difference.

Thats what a lot of us were screaming for but that time seems to have passed now as injuries subside and we are playing good football-

Posted by: mark j  | January 23, 2008 9:14 AM

David Morrison wrote...

its d day on the alves deal, the KNVB are set to conclude what happens witht the players proposed move to AZ.

His solicitor has moved for the pre contract to be anulled as their was no agent or solicitor present at the signing of it. lets hope we can have him here by the weekend and get him in the squad for saturdays fa cup tie.

As i understand it he hasnt played for a number of weeks so he needs to get his fitness up and play games. In the mean time mido should be back for the weekend in sum capacity the to start at newcastle a week later.

This decision could change our season lets hope the knvb come up with the right outcome..

AV, any ideas who boros contingency plans are?

come on boro!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: David Morrison  | January 23, 2008 9:17 AM

Nigel wrote...

Richard - I have a slightly different take, Boro don't need to sell Downing to pay for a second striker, my gut feeling is there is at least £20 million in the kitty. Its just a matter of timing, do we spend it in january or July?

The Stewie issue I think is clouded by the fact he is negotiating a new contract, I don't beleive Boro want to sell him, I can see no logic in doing so.

So my take is the question is does he want to stay or go? We won't know that until he is offered a new contract, which should make him the best paid player at the club alongside Woodie, otherwise Boro are selling him short. It will take a while to sort out.

What I can't see being sustainable is having Alves, Fred and Mido all at the club, especially when we are not playing in Europe, one of them will get cheesed off quickly and go on strike etc etc. And all three of them have reputations for throwing their toys out of the pram.

My guess is Boro want Alves first, Fred if they can't get him and the geezer from Scotland whose name I have forgotten, come the Summer to give them a decent number of strikers in the squad who can be kept happy.

If we achieve that the next question is how are Tuncay and Aliadiere accomodated in the same team? We will have too many midfield players, it will be a busy summer with a few players moving on I think.

Posted by: Nigel  | January 23, 2008 11:31 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Nigel

New players coming in could cause problems but not as big as the current non scoring striker situation.

May find room is generated by John Powls view to move O'Neill into the middle and move Boat out. Aliadiere could play wide right in a Ljundberg role or come off the bench as an impact sub.

Rocky may still leave, rumours keep cirulating but probably more likely in the summer. Tuncay probably needs a free role for him to be at his best.

I dont thik Stewie will be leaving, the fact they are talking about a new contract for Wheater gives the hint there may be one imminent for Stewie.

If Boat, Rocky and Mendie leave in the summer that would give more scope for rewarding Stewie with a contact commensurate with his role in the team and England status - based on the assumption his current contact doesnt do that whatever we individually think.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | January 23, 2008 12:15 PM

deka wrote...

Hi Anthony.
Werdermouths list of the best paid players missed off Swarz.(oh hell I've mentioned him again) He's actually playing better now, maybe nobody has come in for him.
While we're waiting for AlvFred, why not play Wheater or Huth centre forward to nod them in.

Posted by: deka  | January 23, 2008 2:02 PM

Andy wrote...

Speaking to a mate who was at last nights reserve game, it appears that Mido has been on a pie rich diet and is, well, to be blunt, fat! He would appear to be some way off a first team return which is why the club are focussing their attempts to sign 2 strikers.

If this is the case (and I have no doubt it is) how the hell can this have been allowed to develop without some form of monitoring/ warnings/ fines?

We need all our strikers, especially Mido fit and raring to go yet he seems unable to drag himself out of Mrs Miggins pie shop. All joking aside, he should have more respect for our club, his colleagues and the fans. Its a bl**dy disgrace.

**AV writes: Some people are just "big boned". Lucky there are some left over Hasselbaink training shorts for him to squeeze into while he works his way to full fitness.


Posted by: Andy  | January 23, 2008 3:08 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Latest News
Kevin Keegan is ready to test Middlesbrough's resolve to hang on to England international Jonathan Woodgate. (1506 GMT - Press Association)


**AV writes: That is not news, it is the result of a trawling operation of the Gazette/Chronicle websites.

Posted by: Never Happy  | January 23, 2008 3:47 PM

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