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Blunt Boro Need A Cutting Edge To Survive

Posted by on December 27, 2007 12:02 PM | 

BATTLING BIRMINGHAM gave Boro the blues and clawed over them and up towards safety by showing a more ruthless streak in front of goal. And therein lies the problem. Boro had the bulk of posession against Brum and 16 shots but bar a second half piledriver from Tuncay that brought a good one handed save never really looked a threat.

It was the same story against West Ham when Boro created enough going forward to win comfortably yet somehow contrived to lose because the visitors - who had before won at the Riverside - had a striker who knew where the goal was.

The catestrophic lack of a cutting edge threatens to drag Boro down. A team now firmly entrenched in the relegation zone is in desperate need of firepower if it is to escape - especially if they can't grind out crucial points by keeping clean sheets.

At least boss Gareth Southgate was honest in his assessment of a result that has left Boro looking very vulnerable once more. He pointed the finger at the whole team for a humiliating and potentially costly flop:

"We didn’t deserve anything from the game. I thought we were very, very poor in the first half and didn’t get out of the traps. I’ve heard people use the phase ‘we have turned the corner’. I knew we hadn’t and the evidence was there for everyone to see. There is a tremendous amount of hard work to be done."


Especially up front, and it will take new blood rather than just tinkering with systems and praying that Mido comes back fighting fit and firing bullets.

Boro have scored just 17 goals in 19 games - only Derby with a paltry nine are less prolific - and that is why they are struggling. Only the points gained in the typical Boro perversity of the Arsenal result is keeping Boro out of the bottom three and, as we discussed going into the festive fixture crunch, the dogfight is going to be vicious and bloody. Goals will be vital.

Of the 17 goals so far the expensively assembled new strike force of Mido (2) and Aliadiere (1) have made barely an impact. The injury dogged £8.5m duo have three goals between them, and have played four times together (and of those only two were the full 90). The midfield/attacking free roving maverick Tuncay has scored three after finally being given a position that suits him and time to settle into it. Ben Hutchinson, who surely never believed he would make the first team this term, has also scored - a feat which looks beyond Lee Dong Gook.

Seven goals from the front runners in 19 league games is an embarrassment and worst is an indictment of both the players themselves and the recruitment policy that invested so much in them - and not just financially. The two were supposed to be the cutting edge of a new brand of cavalier attacking football. In fact the Boro have been blunt up front and with the squad so thin the decision not to recruit an extra bustling striker in August looks a poor one. I would normally have qualified that and said 'in retrospect' except that almost everyone at the time said that given Mido's fitness record and Aliadiere's goal stats the policy of crossing their fingers and hoping for the best left the club as a hostage to fortune.

Last season at the same stage Boro had scored just 17 goals, the same as this term, and although they had three more points they were only two above the drop zone. But, and it is a big but, Boro had Viduka and Yakubu up front and a deep seated belief that one or the other of those would deliver the goods, a belief often echoed by opposition managers as the team scraped another point. And it was a belief that was ultimately justified .

After Christmas Yakubu added ten more to take his tally to 16 for the season despite a barren final three months. And Viduka, prodded into action by the fat lady clearing her throat on his contract talks, scored 16 after Santa's visit to finish on 19. How many people now believe that the Mido/Aliadiere combo will add 26 goals between now and May? Or indeed all four first team frontmen between them? That question must weigh on the minds of Gareth Southgate and Steve Gibson as they weigh up the wisdom of plunging into the January sales.

The need for a striker is pressing. Mido is out for at least two weeks and then may need two or three weeks to get fully match fit - assuming he doesn't break down again. The system Boro have been set up to play demands a targetman to hold up the ball and allow the midfield to break at speed and it has been made abundently clear that no one else in the squad can do that crucial and demanding job.

So where are we? In trouble. Sunderland have only scored 17, Wigan have got 19, Fulham 20 and Bolton and Birmingham 21 - and those must be seen as our main rivals this season now. And apart from Fulham they all have at least one striker with either the physical strength or clinical finishing that would see them walk into Boro's first team and could yet save their team's seasons: Nicolas Anelka, Kevin Davies, Mikael Forsell, Emile Heskey and Kenwyne Jones.

The defence is in trouble too. Despite adding Luke Young - an undoubted boon - Boro have shipped 33 goals in 19 games and only the four teams below have been more porous. At his stage last year Boro had only conceded 24, a massive difference and one that gave a glimmer of hope that one goal at the other end may be enough to secure at least one point.

The defence on paper is better now but because the ball is not sticking up front it is coming back more often and because Boro are not making their own chances count the penalty for cracking under the increased pressure at the back is defeat.

Much can be done to to plug the leaks, especially by increasing concentration levels in the red zones that really have spelled danger this term, but the real long term solution to minimise the effect of leaking goals is to make sure they are being racked up at the other end. The threat that Boro may score will change the way the opposition play. Goal themselves will alter the dynamic of games: we have seen how Boro play with a spring in their step if they score first.

And that means bringing in a striker - and possibly two - that have proven Premiership records and are used to the intensity and physicality of the scrap at the bottom. Right now I would take Dickov and Beattie. That pairing would have won Boro the game at Birmingham. They would rough up defences, force errors and pull holes for the Fancy Dans to exploit.

If we don't have the finance to bring in racehorses then workhorses are better than donkeys.


**Apologies to dedicated readers (or saddos, as I believe the technical terms is) who couldn't get onto the site over the past few days. I know I couldn't. I think the computer geeks switched off as they left on Christmas Eve/ Normal service is resumed.


Comments (47)

Werdermouth wrote...

It’s certainly going to be a problem attracting a decent striker in January unless we offer both an over-the-odds transfer fee and wages. There is absolutely no point getting in a striker who is not firing already – so who would sell such an asset in the first place?

Also what I don’t understand is how having both a manager and assistant who were top defenders, along with a back line packed with international defenders, is why we just can’t defend properly.

Maybe you’re right AV about not having anyone on the pitch that can hold onto the ball. It seems all our attacking players need to run onto the ball – which probably means that the midfield are just playing the ball back to the opposition and the forwards are chasing too many lost causes.

So if we can get someone up-front to hold the ball up with Tuncay playing off him, then we should use Ali’s pace on the right and move O’Neil inside with Arca and play either Downing or Johnson (the one we don’t swap for a top quality big fella) on the left.

Perhaps we could also swap one of our ‘class’ defenders for Shay Given?

All sounds rather straight forward on paper…

Posted by: Werdermouth  | December 27, 2007 2:32 PM

Phil McThomas wrote...

Good article, Vic,

Once we have a surplus of centre-backs, I'd like to see Davey Wheater pushed up with Tuncay on occasions (the last half-hour v Brum, for instance).

Maybe we would see a Michael Owen / Emile Heskey type partnership. At the very least, Wheater should be a good outlet and can put their centre-backs under a bit of pressure, which in turn could give us a bit more possession.

Posted by: Phil McThomas  | December 27, 2007 2:41 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

So when are we going to get these men in? My oft stated view is that we will be unlikely to see any benefits before mid Feb and that would mean 26 matches played.

How many points will we have at that point?

Will someone like Beattie come? he has 13 goals so far this season so we will be looking at £5-6million minimum, didnt he go to Sheff Utd for £6million as a flop from Everton? SheffeU wont make a loss.

The problems are severe and may get worse before they improve, it may be Wigan before we see any more points and that does not make us an attractive proposition unless for a big payday.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 27, 2007 3:01 PM

Bob Knapton wrote...

Well who would've thought it?

Aliadiere, a man who found life at Wolves in the fizzy pop league so difficult he managed 2 goals in half a season, is now finding the Premier League far too difficult!

Fancy that.

Good job we've got Gareth and his million pound salary to choose the transfers wisely. If it were left to us idiots in the pub, we'd have never thought of the genius signing of Aliadiere.

And while we're on the reality juice; David 'bambi on ice' Wheater is the next Andrew davies and will never be a Premier League footballer.

Posted by: Bob Knapton  | December 27, 2007 3:17 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Agree with all of that.

Sadly, the donkeys aren't confined to the team. They're in the manager's office, the coaches room, the Board Room and the executive offices.

Posted by: John Powls  | December 27, 2007 3:39 PM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

We are a mixture of Fancy Dans and Diddy Men at present. We have no striker and please excuse the pun, but you cannot light up any match without them.

Mido is to far away and we must break the bank to cure things up front. It is not a gamble because we will win games and survive with ease if it is in hand.

Invest and collect the interest is surely a guaranteed option for long term security

Good feature AV

Posted by: Very Happy  | December 27, 2007 3:52 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

In reality we will struggle to attract any player of Premiership status, lets face it who wants to join relegation fodder with the distinct possibility of ending up in the Championship next season.

A Paul Dickov may be our best and only bet. I would think Beattie would have the savvy to wait until the summer to plan his next move rather leap out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Perhaps Jermaine Beckford from Leeds may be a better bet in terms of the likelihood of attracting him and in keeping him if we slip down into the Championship next season.

I doubt if anything imminent will change with the current Management structure or the Director structure at the Riverside and so reality has to bite.

That reality is that we cannot or will not compete at Premiership level either on or off the pitch and the finances required to facillitate a fight is not likely to be forthcoming in January. It is probably the correct decision as lets face it our January buys have historically been disastrous.

I don't want to even comment on the Hammers or more evidently the Birmingham performances as it has all been said many times before ad nauseum. Until the powers that be want to listen to the truth we are powerless and can only watch as they sadly implode before our very eyes!

Posted by: Redcar Red  | December 27, 2007 6:17 PM

Ian Oliver wrote...

What no comments? It's like the silence of the lambs! Perhaps the penny has dropped, even amongst those still convinced that Southgate and Gibson are wearing new clothes!!

AV. It's no good calling for new strikers, we had two and couldn't hold on to them. You identified what the outcome would be without Yakubu and Viduka, before they were sold.

The problems at Boro run deeper than the need for strikers. This squad was always going to struggle and looked like relegation fodder from the start.

The only thing the January transfer window will be remembered for on Teesside this year will be those leaving!

When the manager starts pointing the finger at the whole of the team that he assembled, he trained, he supplied the tactics for, he selected and he sent out onto the park, it's time for him to take a good look at himself.

We don't need honest assessments from Southgate, the fans at the games and the contributors to this blog can provide that - by the barrow-load.

We need him to make an honest assessment of his own failings and get out while there is still chance to salvage something from this season.

Posted by: Ian Oliver  | December 27, 2007 6:48 PM

Si wrote...

Spot on in almost every way, Vic. I would also like to add the following points that I made on my own site, though:

(a) Tuncay, for all his hard work and enterprise, cannot make up for everything.

(b) The timing of the Yak's departure was horrible for us - right at the end of the transfer window, when we couldn't find a proper replacement. It was clear earlier in the summer that he'd seen sense and decided to jump from a sinking ship.

(c) The players apparently haven't realised that halves are more than 43 minutes long - see West Ham (A), Sunderland (H), West Ham (H), Birmingham (A), even Arsenal (H) and Fulham (A). Yes, we won the last two games, but a clean sheet would have been nice, and if Healy's "goal" had been spotted...

As I said in a previous blog comment, will it take going back into the bottom three again - or worse - to wake our team up? It's capable of much better than this. We know it, the fans deserve more.

Anyway. Let's now try and beat a team that we've never beaten in the Riverside era (even during our last promotion campaign)... I'm optimistic (!).

Posted by: Si  | December 27, 2007 7:32 PM

john sully wrote...

back where we started. awful. we need strikers badly and mendi in the squad.

Posted by: john sully  | December 27, 2007 7:37 PM

gt wrote...

Watched the brummy game. Observations

Downing never once crossed the ball past first defender
Young cannot defend
Arca must be still injured
Rocky might aswell have watched the game as we kept long balling to no mans land
Pogi is lost at left back,
Schwarzer cant command his area
Tuncay should enter the london marathon,he might have more success
And Gareth, Ive tried to support you, but ,were so disjointed its unbelievable,you might dream of playing like the top teams but youve got to realise its not there.

Some radical selections i would make at least for the next 4 or 5 games,to grind out results.3-5-2:
Schwarz, woody,wheats,pogi
Oneil.rocky.boat,arca,taylor,Tuncay
Huth (upfront)

That leaves us with options on the bench - alliadiere, downing, cats, jones,and johnston

Posted by: gt  | December 27, 2007 8:27 PM

Score Draw wrote...

Things will not change while Schwarzer is in goal.

Woodgate, Young, Pogatetz, Taylor, Wheater, Riggot make up a good defensive pool. Certainly better than any team in the bottom half of the league.

Look at the BBC website and the description of the game - Birmingham had 12 corners all of them inswingers. I think Schwarzer got ONE. It's clear McCleish told his team to work on the "dodgy goalie".

Southgate is beyond help. He can't see how weak Schwarzer and Boatang are and it will be slow and painful demise. He will end up blaming the "young" "inexperienced" players.

Forget tactical nouse you need two basic skills to be successful in management.

1. Ability to spot a good player
2. Ability to spot a weak player

I can't think of one player in the Birmingham squad who I would want in the Boro squad yet they tonked us 3-0. This was a achieved because we carry two very weak players and every manager in the premiership can see it and will continue to exploit it.

PLAN TO BEAT THE BORO

1. Have a shot on target and it has a 50/50 chance of going in.

2. Let Boatang have the ball ! He'll give it straight back.

It may seem an eccentric thought but our problem isn't related to scoring goals it's about letting them in.

This time last year, as Anthony described, we faced the same problem i.e. stuck at the foot of the table. We got out of the mire when Yakubu and Viduka started scoring.

The reason we find ourselves in the same position is we continue to use weak footballers in one of the strongest leagues in the world.

Drop Schwarzer and use Boatang only as a last resort and we will end up in mid table. Either that or I'm off down to the Cathedral to pray for another broken thumb.


Posted by: Score Draw  | December 27, 2007 8:28 PM

Score Draw wrote...

Am I alone in dreading the day that Lee Dong Gook finally scores?

How will we mark the event ?
What will the commenators say ?
What will he do as a celebration?
How will his team mates respond ?
What will Gareth say at the end of the match ?
What will Maccarone say ?

If I was Lee Dong Gook I'd say "there are plenty more where that came from".


Posted by: Score Draw  | December 27, 2007 8:43 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Just seen Uncle Eric on the Gazette web site video.

I have never seen him so animated and concerned, no doubt AV has seen it in the past but that was worrying for a fan like myself not immersed in the club and media.

Is he really that worried AV?

**AV writes: When you have covered Boro that long being worried is the default setting, especially as we edge into the traditional post-Christmas slump.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 27, 2007 9:14 PM

tonyblack wrote...

FAO THE EDITOR OF THE ONLINE GAZETTE:

Can we have the following poll in the Gazette please, or are you and the Gazette so afraid of going against the club that it you have lost all your journalistic integirty ?

" At least boss Gareth Southgate was honest in his assessment of a result that has left Boro looking very vulnerable once more. He pointed the finger at the whole team for a humiliating and potentially costly flop "

AV, I'm trying very hard to stay calm here and I will do my very best not to force my opinion on you with a sledge hammer !

WHEN is GS or anyone else for that matter going to point the finger at HIMSELF?

I would suggest that the majority of boro fans would now in fact call for him to go if you put a poll on your front page, here on line.

Why can't we get the fans opinion on this ?

It's quite an easy question.

Was Steve Gibson right in hiring Gareth Southgate ?

Yes, and so he needs more time.

No, and so he should go now.

AV, please kindly pass on my request to the powers that be and let me know what they say. If they say no, please ask them to explain why not.

Cheers.

TB

**AV writes: I think a poll on Southgate being the right man for the job has been done. Possibly more than once.

Posted by: tonyblack  | December 27, 2007 11:50 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

And so it is with the supporters. We are all very worried, I think my surprise was because Uncle Eric could take a positive out of anything but the new media opportunities where the reporter can actually talk to supporters
gives us a chance to see the facial expressions and body language. Those who speak to him on Teesside will know his true thoughts but for us away enders it is a change.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 28, 2007 8:58 AM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

Good article Vic, but it's nothing more than what we have collectively been banging on about on these pages since the start of the season.

We all knew our forward line was light, that Mido was a panic buy and a gamble that has blown up in Southgates face, and that we just wouldn't score enough goals after the departure of Viduka and Yakubu.

A fine result against Arsenal and battling win against Derby have done nothing other than hide the fact that we are still in deep trouble and no further forward.

Anyone on here who believes that MFC will announce a wonder deal for some top free scoring striker in January is dreaming I'm afraid.

We are stuck with the players we have and only they can get us out of this mess.

Our fate has already been sealed by the clubs inability and failure to replace the departed with like for like strikers.

The sad thing is we don't know yet what our fate will actually be, but new faces in January are not going to divert the course of this season in enough time to make any impact.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | December 28, 2007 10:07 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Score Draw

Schwarzer is just one element in the team and he is no more culpable than anyone else in the squad or club for our current predicament.

To blame everything on him from global warming to the Palestinian problem is nothing short of a witch hunt.

If the posts stated we were paper thin up front, have no outlets when under pressure, not picking up midfield runners, show poor defensive discipline and that Schwarzer is not having a good season and is due for replacement then that is fair comment.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 28, 2007 10:49 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

I guess the Beattie injury may have put paid to any move for him in January - which is why the media attention now seems to have switched us back to Hulse as a target.

Just about says it all.

We're also being linked again with Gera who will be a free agent in the Summer. That would be good business for us and allow O'Neil to move inside to the box-to-box role.

On the question about polls on Gate - the last time the questions were asked in such a poll, the 'jury' was still out, the sympathy vote was prevailing and the voters hadn't had the experience of half a season of 'don't know what you're doing'.

I think the result might just be very different if the vote was taken at New Year.

**AV writes: I think the last one was only about a month ago and the result got us into trouble in certain quarters.

Posted by: John Powls  | December 28, 2007 11:09 AM

John Powls wrote...

AV

Several harbingers of doom in today's Gazette articles about the Pompey game. Notable amongst them are the following 3:-

Pompey have gone 450 minutes without scoring a home goal.

Aliadiere's injury may open the door for Simba.

Gareth knows he must inspire the team.

You lot sure know how to kick us when we're down!

**AV writes: We could have reminded you about previous results down there too...

Posted by: John Powls  | December 28, 2007 11:39 AM

Danny wrote...

We harp on every week about how poor Boro are, but don't we do that every season?

Lets face it, Boro are a poor team starting with a manager with no experience. Senior players like Schwarzer and Boateng are well past their sell by date. Downing isn't consistent and should be sold, the number of times he hits the first defender with his crosses is shocking...England quality??? no chance.

I feel for the likes of Arca and O'Neil who are talented players but surrounded by average players only suitable for Championship league.

Steve Gibson is someone i never thought i would ever disagree with, but the time has come to listen to the fans and have a complete overhaul before disaster and a season in the Championship.

Sadly Southgate must depart, we need a coach with presence and knowledge. A deal to attract Louis Van Gaal from AZ is an absolute must. Van Gaal enjoys a challenge and doesn't mind managing 'less fashionable' teams and would surely be interested in taking over at Boro.

I just don't know, but my own fear is that Boro are going to be relegated and that would surely spell the end for Gibson, Lamb etc etc etc.

Boro is more than any individual, it is a proud team with proud supporters and nothing or no-one should be solely responsible for its demise.

Up the Boro!

**AV writes: All the signs are that Gibson will back Southgate to the hilt and is looking for a long term strategy based on Boro's economic reality rather than short term knee-jerk measures and financial gambles. It may be nail-biting stuff for us but that's the situation.


Posted by: Danny  | December 28, 2007 1:06 PM

David Morrison wrote...

Ive just had a look at the squad profiles for all the premier league teams to see who would fit the bill of what we need.

What ive seen is not a lot really. All the teams in the premier league are playing the same 16 players week in week out and beyond that their are hardly any names I recognise.

Squads are full of over seas players that i have never seen or kids that are on loan or just havnt been given the chance in the 1st team.

So out of these teams who do we try to buy? Will Everton sell Johnson? No. Wiill west ham sell Ashton? No. Will Anelka come from Bolton? No

So the question is: who are we going to buy and where are we going to get them from?

Yes we can look at fringe players like vassell or samaras but they arnt playing for their teams so why would they be any better for us and at what price to get them?

Historically their are no major buys in January, no eye watering £30m transfers because they are done in the summer when players are available and teams can regroup and strengthen.

January is for merely touch up work but all the teams around us are looking for the same players. We have slipped up by bringing in average players in the summer and in the end it will cost us.

Posted by: David Morrison  | December 28, 2007 1:40 PM

jc wrote...

For us to survive in this league, we will be relying on the current players, as has been well stated by other posters.

We know that this squad can play good football, as proven by the win over Arsenal. And yet, we continue to see poor performances like the last one.

My feeling is that our main problem is psychological. We fold mentally as soon as the opposition score, probably because there isn't the belief that we can score two. We played well against Arsenal because we scored early and they only scored with the last kick of the game.

Look at the West Ham game - we were playing decent football, keeping the ball down, plenty of movement. As soon as they got the equaliser, though, it was like flicking a light switch - the change was instantaneous.

Suddenly we were static, the flow of our game disappeared. We start playing more of those high balls from deep angles that almost always gift possession back to the opposition.

And we haven't got the players to play that style of football - in fact, players who can win a high ball and hold on to it with their back to the goal are rare. That was Viduka's strong suit, but our current strikers certainly can't do it.

So somehow the players need to get over this mental weakness and continue playing the pass and move football we saw against Arsenal, and we see in flashes in other games, even when we are 1 or 2 goals down.

Southgate can help by not making defensive substitutions when we're 1-1 with 20 minutes to go. But it will be hard, as it only takes a few players to lose faith for the play to break down.

Posted by: jc  | December 28, 2007 2:25 PM

Ian Oliver wrote...

We don't need to waste our time with a poll on Southgate's suitability, it's being paraded week-in, week-out. Player buys, selection, tactics, substitutions, the list goes on and on and is admirably reflected in the comments of this blog.

The only reason that the bookies are being so generous with their odds on Southgate going, is because of Steve "Nero" Gibson's refusal to act. He was prepared to stomach relegation under Robson and, no doubt, under McLaren if the issue had arisen.

This man is patronising the people parting with their hard-earned cash and precious free time to support the team he appears to be showing scant disregard for.

I wonder how long an under-performing manager (promoted from the shop-floor) in Bulkhaul would be tolerated?

Posted by: Ian Oliver  | December 28, 2007 3:11 PM

andybooth wrote...

Gareth must go.

I'd have to say that the vast majority of fans know in their hearts that Gareth - good chap that he is and all that - must go as hes rubbish as a manager. The same goes for colin and a few others that have been around for too long. All great servants but all failing as coachs etc

I've been a season ticket holder for longer than I care to remember and this year I just couldnt bring myself to renew.

Heckle me all you like but I aint paying my hard earned cash to watch utter rubbish under a boss learning as he goes.

the sad truth is that gibbo just cant bring himself to face up to the fact that hes made a mistake and so now hes digging his heels in. i would never have thought that i would say this - but - Gibson needs to go too as his arrogance is costing us all very dear.

He wants to stick by these people for the long term? well he wont be doing it with my money and he will no longer be able to count on me for my support.

if it was down to a public vote id vote all these people off as they are the club. cheers.

Posted by: andybooth  | December 28, 2007 3:25 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

jc

I agree absolutely with everything you wrote, mate. All of us could see at the West Ham game that long balls were being played up to the heads of Tuncay and Aliadiere, when it is patently obvious that these two need the ball played to feet! So why couldn't GS see that and get some instruction out on to the park?

And your comments about the Brum game and psychology are spot on. I wasn't there, mercifully, but all the Gazette's reports make it clear that here was a team lacking completely in confidence.

That too is down to the manager. He has to inspire them, or rollock them when they're not doing the business. By his own admission we didn't turn up at Brum. So why didn't he have a real go at them at half-time? Why didn't he rant and rave on the touchline as Ferguson or Allardyce would do?

We heard recently from Mido on Sky that all the players want to play for him. Well, not on the St Andrews evidence they don't. And we've seen far too many examples under his "leadership" (for I am seriously doubting now whether he has the qualities needed) of Boro not turning up - Watford and Fulham away last season (and indeed several other away games), Chelsea, Villa at home this season, Brum and Wigan away. This would not happen under Roy Keane or Martin O'Neill.

Apart from a couple of proven strikers, we need someone who can inspire a team even when they're playing badly. Just look at the immediate impact of Megson at Bolton, Bruce at Wigan and McLeish at Brum.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | December 28, 2007 5:54 PM

neil garratt wrote...

We cant afford to end up like Newcastle, who, despite all the huff and puffing with alan smith, butt and all the other "stars" who aint doing it. viduka has saved them several times so it says more of his average colleagues than about him.

I cant bear the thought of playing burnley, leicester,et al and we dont want cheap players from the championship like sunderland. if you pay cheap thats what you get! silk purse and sows ears......etc.

Ok so we havent got wads but where does the money go? clearly the club knows that we arent going to watch rubbish for the prices they charge. season ticket holders have a right to moan, but that would leave about 10000 a match. we need a steady ship. its easy to go down, but its a hell of a climb back up these days guys. com on boro!!!

Posted by: neil garratt  | December 28, 2007 7:02 PM

deka wrote...

portsmouth have not scored at home for 3 months,get your money on them for tomorrow.

Gareth , I dont think the players are responding to your managerial talents so it may be time to do the honourable thing. 2 steps forward and 3 back will be no good to us come may. Its time to bring in someone with experience to stop the rot.

some of the players have undoubted talent but they are not showing it for the current manager,that i am afraid is glaringly obvious.

Posted by: deka  | December 28, 2007 7:36 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" Ian Oliver wrote...

We don't need to waste our time with a poll on Southgate's suitability, it's being paraded week-in, week-out. Player buys, selection, tactics, substitutions, the list goes on and on and is admirably reflected in the comments of this blog.

The only reason that the bookies are being so generous with their odds on Southgate going, is because of Steve "Nero" Gibson's refusal to act. He was prepared to stomach relegation under Robson and, no doubt, under McLaren if the issue had arisen.

This man is patronising the people parting with their hard-earned cash and precious free time to support the team he appears to be showing scant disregard for.

I wonder how long an under-performing manager (promoted from the shop-floor) in Bulkhaul would be tolerated? "

I couldn't agree more mate and have been saying this since day 1.

The reason why I thought that poll would be good is because a very high result in favour of sacking these people might have just started the ball rolling in some way by leading the Gazette to write articles on the subject.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | December 28, 2007 9:02 PM

Pat Mc, Dubai, in the Boro wrote...

Whilst it is clear to all that we need more strike power, let’s not fool ourselves by thinking that this will be an instant solution.

From what I have seen in the West Ham and Birmingham games, Fernando Torres would have difficulty scoring in the Boro team right now. Why? Good strikers alone cannot guarantee goals. The team must attack as a unit.

Against West Ham and Birmingham we played in three separate units (apart from the first 10 minutes in each match), where the full backs and midfield hardly supported the front two.

Pog and Luke Young pushed up initially and as a result we looked good. Then for some reason we settled into a lethargic, non-constructive pattern, generally leaving the front two isolated.

In desperation we started to pump high balls to Tuncay and Aliadiere, which is as pointless as is it energy sapping. We must get men up to support them, run off them and interchange play as a unit. Push the opponents back, and with the right movement around the box we will get clear chances to score.

Look at Manchester United, they are the best exponents of the 4-4-2 system as an attacking formation. The two full backs are always up there, supporting the midfield/wide men who then tuck in behind, or join the two strikers, giving a very effective attacking force.

It was proved in the World Cup, especially by Italy and Germany that the full backs must be part of the attacking unit. Having a six/seven man drive forward doesn’t necessarily mean that the defence in left unguarded. Four/three men remain deep and others get back quickly if the opponents threaten to break out.

Cynics will say that Boro do not posses the qualities of Man U and the international sides, but this is not about quality, it is about using the personnel to the best advantage, especially at home.

The determination to get forward as a unit was not there in the last two games and we paid the price. I sympathise with our two forwards for the lack of support, and then they get blamed for being ineffective.

Posted by: Pat Mc, Dubai, in the Boro  | December 28, 2007 9:27 PM

score Draw wrote...

Ian Gill : The idea that culpability for our position should be shared across the team is a bit unfair. Do you feel Gary ONeil and Pogatetz are under performing ?

While the team ethic and shared responsibility are very important our first step should be to identify and select people who can actually play to the level we aspire to. Easier said than done I admit.

Call it what you like, 'witch hunt', 'hate campaign', 'chicken run' or whatever -Schwarzer is simply not good enough to play in the premier league, never has been and there is no evidence (and never has been) to support his selection.
If I had been saying the same things about any other player over the years there would have been a period when I would have had to eat humble pie.

Replacing Schwarzer won't get us into Europe, it would just get us the 6 -12 points that other goalies (Freidal, Given, Juskaillen, James, Green .....) annually win for their teams. In our case Schwarzer not only fails to 'win' us points he actually loses us points because he is simply not good enough.

The ' core skills' in football management are much more simple than they are made out to be. They have to be, how else could Bob Paisley and Bobby Robson be so successful ? Too much is made of tactics, 'passion' and effort.

If we replaced Boatang the benefit would be similar to removing Schwarzer. George's touch, balance and quality of passing is so poor he actually breaks up the fluidity of OUR game. The opposing team does not need to employ a 'spoiler' George does it for them.

On some occasions in the past 2 - 3 years having witnessed George struggling to control an 'easy ball' and then executing a pass that was so wayward I genuinely thought he had a serious eyesight problem. When he does complete a pass it is more often than not - straight to the player - not where he wants to have the ball but 'straight down his throat'.

At the Boro George is lionised for his battling qualities. His tackling skills are well developed largely because for him the game is a 90 minute struggle where he is chasing a ball he can't control. If you can't control the ball you do end up 'battling away' and being valued for your tenacity.

He seems like a nice man but a less than average football player. Having said that he's Maradonna in comparison to Schwarzer.

Anthony: Are there any online statistics available ? I'd be interested to know how successful we have been when Schwarzer is absent and Id love to see the Prozone figures for Boatang

**AV writes: To say that Schwarzer has never been up to the job is ridiculous. He has been brilliant at times - Roma and Steuau away for example. I agree he needs replacing now though.

Posted by: score Draw  | December 29, 2007 7:04 AM

Ian Oliver wrote...

TB

No slight intended, I fully support your call for a more independent, campaigning stance from the Gazette, who should be looking to represent its readership (not just spoon-feed from the Gibson “high-table”).

But the time is almost past where an open campaign will have any impact upon this season.

If Boro do survive - what hope for next season? Where is the incentive for our best players to stay and endure a third, consecutive, relegation fight? Where is the attraction for talent to come to this club?

It's like going back to the Amer years and "top" signings such as Alf Wood and Billy Ashcroft (yes I still have nightmares over that miss against Orient).

You really have to wonder if Gibson, like Amer, is pre-occupied with business problems elsewhere? It’s not like he gets his Boro shirt on and sits/travels with the fans!

Posted by: Ian Oliver  | December 29, 2007 8:06 AM

stockton red wrote...

One league table where we are always in the top 6 is injuries[ see www.physioroom.com].

I note this week we have reclaimed our rightful position at the top with 11 injured players.

Here's hoping for a shock result at Pompey but can't see it happening.

You are right AV we definitely need the lift of a couple of new faces.A physically strong powerful forward would make a big difference

Posted by: stockton red  | December 29, 2007 9:39 AM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

As usual, interesting comments abound on this Blog subject.

It always amazes me that one minute you see Stewie Downing on Sky, pledging his soul allegence to the cause; then open the Times to see him slagging off the fans and a sudden urge to leave the club.

There was obviously a root problem in the dressing room which saw the departure of the Yak, but in my opinion it is still ongoing.

There will be a lot of spirit going around on New Year's eve, however, I'm not sure how much of that will be present throughout the first team against Everton on NYD.

I can sympathise with the comments raised regarding the competence of GS and the coaching staff. Confidence, motivation and spirit are very much lacking; but can anyone tell me what Malcolm Crosby is meant to represent, apart from looking like one of Santa's little helpers ?

Trying not sound too despondent here, so let us hope that January turns out to be a positive month and those who don't want to play for the Boro leave, and those that do, improve. Oh, and the signing of two decent strikers and a new goalkeeper wouldn't go amiss.....

Happy New Year fellow Bloggers.

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | December 29, 2007 9:41 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

So we move on to the most crucial game since the last most crucial game. In other words every match is crucial and it is important the match is approached in the correct manner.

Gate is concerned about the Jekyll and Hyde nature of our performances, I am concerned because most of them are Mr Hydes and very few Jekylls.

We have consumed many a column inch of cyberspace paper discussing the root causes of our problems but it still comes back to the players and staff we have doing it on the pitch, let us hope we enter the New Year in better heart than we depart the old one.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 29, 2007 9:47 AM

ben wrote...

Looking at what Southgate has said today on Skysports, it seems again that they will not be spending on a striker and that he intends to use his young talent?? Some promising defenders and midfielders but no strikers!!

I have the solemn belief right now that the people in charge are already resigned to the championship and they intend to build for the future from there.

Posted by: ben  | December 29, 2007 11:12 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Bizarre transfer rumour from an Arsenal fan. Downing to Arsenal with Gilberto coming to us (I guess with cash coming our way as well) Dont know what I think of that one!

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 29, 2007 11:47 AM

Danny wrote...

**AV writes: All the signs are that Gibson will back Southgate to the hilt and is looking for a long term strategy based on Boro's economic reality rather than short term knee-jerk measures and financial gambles. It may be nail-biting stuff for us but that's the situation.

OK, AV i know the situation regarding Gibson and Southgate, but surely someone must bang some sense into Gibson and show him reality...Southgate just isn't good enough.

As for "short term knee-jerk measures and financial gambles" i do not believe Louis Van Gaal would be that, in fact i would see him as an long term asset who would attract players and give Boro some credibility which is something we have lacked recently.

I love Boro as much as the next man, but every season we have the same problems and truthfully we are not really progressing each season, it seems Gibbo and Co are happy with middle table mediocrity or our annual struggle.

As one poster previously said, i also wonder if a Bulkhaul employee wasn't up to the job would they be dismissed? The answer is yes as any business person will tell you. No room for sentiment in business!!!

Please note that Gareth Southgate is a credit to Boro as a player and his career as a footballer has been terrific but he got his managerial reins too quickly and easily.

Up the Boro.

Posted by: Danny  | December 29, 2007 1:30 PM

Si wrote...

Okay.

Relieved though I am that we've given ourselves breathing space (and beaten a club we'd previously never beaten in the Riverside era - who'd have thought we'd have it in us after the Birmingham debacle?) there's still questions to answer.

O'Neil looks injured again.

Yes, DG Lee played well, but didn't score. For how much longer can we rely solely on Tuncay as a threat?

And Shawky came good - just in time for the African Nations Cup. How convenient.

Still, we got to see our "international defence" together for the first time, and they did a very solid job. In fact, the whole team performance was very spirited and organised.

Now for more of these and less Birminghams in the new year, please...

Posted by: Si  | December 29, 2007 5:27 PM

Score Draw wrote...

Anthony - I'll see if I can find a copy of Schwarzers heroics in the European campaign. He's been with us 10 years I honestly can't remember him 'saving' us once.

I have to disagree with you because is not quick, brave or athletic enough to be allowed to play premiership football except at the Boro (very like Parnaby). He's not got slower - he was never fast.

I realise I can be boring to go on about it but put yourself in my shoes. I'm convinced and have been for years that he is main reason for our mediocrity and have to watch him play every other week while other players are regularly given a 'working over' by the crowd. How ever my New Years resolution is to enjoy Schwarzers performances.

And by the way it's not ridiculous to say he's never been worth a place in the premiership. Not one manager thought he was worth buying.

He's got an excellent agent. I've seen a few stories in the Gazette no doubt planted by his agent saying he's being courted by Man Utd and Bayern Munich. Now that is ridiculous.

**AV writes: There's no doubt his powers have been fading - at times this season it has felt as if every 25 yarder on target has gone in - but for a lot of years he was up there in the second group of Premiership keepers, that is, well above average if not Champions League.

People rave about the others in that group - Sorenson, Jaaskelianen, Niemi - but it is only because they don't have a weekly emotional reaction to their failings. I find it hard to believe you think he hasn't had a 'going over' from the crowd because by my reckoning he has never been popular and has often been the scapegoat.

It will be easy to get a replacement broadly as good as Schwarzer but not so easy to get one better.

Posted by: Score Draw  | December 29, 2007 7:11 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Scoredraw

I have said Scissorhnds is past his sell by date, oddly as you mention Boat it I agree there as well.

But he is only part of the picture. Shocking defending plays a huge role such as our obsession with getting all ten outfield players behind the penalty spot for corners. So does leaving midfiled runners untracked to run into the box. So is having non scoring strikers.

They all need sorting, it just appears your posts always focus on replacing Scissorhands and then all will be well.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 29, 2007 10:19 PM

Phil ex Warrenby wrote...

Most of us agree Schwarzer is long past his best.I just wached Shef.U. and C Palace play and was impressed with the Palace keeper Speroni he could be worh a look.

Meanwhile we continue to do the Jeckle and hide bit, Portsmouth never looked like scoring did they? Just when we think we are in for it we play out of our socks.

Still cant figure out why the gook was prefered to Johnston though,h e ran rings around them when he came on. Gook just has no authority on the field,he cant win a ball in fact he never realy competes, defenders just brush him off like he'snot there.

Huth was strong, shawky played well, and for a change the whole team started well from the first whistle. Please do the same against Everton

Posted by: Phil ex Warrenby  | December 30, 2007 3:40 AM

Ken wrote...

Last match should have been 0-0, were it not for shocking defending from Boro, quite amazing for a team coached by two excellent centre backs.

This week, the defending was 100% better, Huth seemed very solid (Wheater did an outstanding job given his age and experience, but he is still not quite at Huth's level - no shame for him.) Even Redknapp mentioned our two centre backs.

Arca looked entirely unfit and behind the pace last match, but this match he seemed back in the thick of things.

O'Neil had his best match yet for Boro, and Lee likewise - he provided a very nice ball for Tuncay which James managed to block. But I realized that Lee does not do anything wrong, he is simply easy for defenders to cover. He doesn't ever do anything unpredictable (unlike Tuncay, for example).

Downing was also much improved. His biggest flaw has been his propensity to get the ball, and then analyze the entire situation so extensively that you expect to see him start to diagram the situation, a la Andy Gray. :) Today, on several occasions, he managed to volley the ball immediately to someone else.

Shawkey had a good match for a first Premiership start, and if he goes to African Cup and plays regularly, that can only be good for Boro, because he still needs playing time and experience. After all, he will be playing against several Arsenal players, four from Portsmouth, and some from Chelsea, amongst others. His participation can only be a plus for Boro in the long run.

I would also wait until 1st of February, to judge our transfers. All public statements simply help to keep prices down. If Southgate said "We are desperate for a top striker", then we would never be able to get a good price, so we must say publicly "we really don't care if we get a striker".

Posted by: Ken  | December 30, 2007 7:28 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Points come from the oddest of places, what a great trip home for the travelling fans especially John and Phil afer enduring many a soaking on and off the pitch at Pompey.

One of my favourite sayings is you dont know which Boro you will get when they get off the bus. Interesting that Gate said 'we decided we would come here with a different frame of mind' Thats good of them.

Maybe I should change my saying to Stars in Their Eyes, 'Mathew this week we are going to be the Chuckle Brothers/X Men' depending how they feel. Or is it Gate being Mr Bean or the Duke of Wellington?

Whatever the reason the performance and result are most welcome, good to see Shearer reminding Lineker and Lawro that it was a good performance by the Boro. There were even plaudits for Lee so well done to him.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | December 30, 2007 9:40 AM

score Draw wrote...

Last post on Schwarzer:

Replacing him will get us 8 -12 points a season depending the quality of his replacement.

He is a weakness that is exploited by opposing teams every week. He's not the only weakness. Boateng can't pass, Huth is reckless and Rochemback would sooner be anywhere but the Boro

Anthony: Do you really believe that if Schwarzer was as good as you say he was ('just below champions league level') he would have stayed at the Boro ? Loyalty is not a characteristic I'd associate with Mark.

He'd be off like a shot if a bigger club made a better offer. They haven't and they never will.

I have found the best way to enjoy his efforts is to see the funny side. Just watch him get up off the floor after he's dived. It's like me trying to get off a hammock.

Posted by: score Draw  | December 30, 2007 10:08 AM

Chris from Beverley wrote...

Interesting comment from Ken, O'Neil had his best match yet for Boro.

Same could be said of Alliadiere against Arsenal, and Arca against Sunderland (until his injury).

Can I see a pattern emerging here?perhaps we should arrange friendlies against Fenerbache and Pohang Steelers !

It is a annoying that we have to wait to play against a player's old club to see the best of them. They should be doing it every week !

Ho hum.....

Posted by: Chris from Beverley  | December 30, 2007 11:07 AM

Benny Brown wrote...

I was surprised to see Arca lead the team out as Captain against Everton, I thought Woodgate was the heir apparent for this position when Boeteng retires. Does this signify something amiss in the Boro Dressing room with regards to Woodgates suitability to Captain the side?

As for Aliederie masquerading as a striker - even blind Freddie can see he will never make an out and out striker as long as he has the proverbial hole. He may one day make a very useful creative mid fielder if he could learn to tackle a bit better.

Boro have played some very good football when going down to inferior teams lately, these losses will obviously continue until we have a regular goal scorer, who is a natural striker.

Gook Lee is a waste of time and should be shipped back to Korea as soon as possible, to give Hutchinson more games We may avoid Relegation only because others in the same relegation battle are no better than the Boro.

Posted by: Benny Brown  | January 2, 2008 11:09 AM

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