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Boro Booing Is The White Noise of Discontent

Posted by on November 5, 2007 2:35 PM | 

LEE CATTERMOLE is robust and tenacious, never scared to go flying in where he could come off worse and no one could question his passion. So his crunching throat-high tackle on the Boro boo-boys in his no-nonsense post-match interview on BBC Tees after Saturday’s 1-1 Riverside draw with Spurs was par for the course for the youngster.

Of course, critics may call that rash, as they do with some of his challenges on the pitch. It is never wise to take a pop at the supporters as even the most well intentioned statements have the potential to inflame terrace politicians adept at scoring points and turning words into weapons. Even the well crafted arguments of wily Keith Lamb about the relative economic status of season ticket holders and casual fans earlier this season - logical in themselves - caused a furious backlash so a relative media novice with a microphone shoved under his nose with the adrenaline still pumping is always going to be a hostage to fortune.

But in his short impassioned outburst the Stockton-born midfield terrier pointed squarely to a contentious and divisive issue that goes right to the heart of the cultural conflict deep within a Boro crowd that is frustrated, angry and increasingly divided against itself.

“I thought the fans were out of order,� he said ten minutes after the whistle. “We were all working hard out there, running our bollocks off for the full 90 minutes. If people are going to boo then they may as well stay at home.�

No one else would have got away with that statement but the popular Teessider who had put in an unquestioned shift. Cattermole has shed blood and tears for Boro and gives it his all in every match. No one would ever accuse him of hiding. Had Mark Schwarzer, Fabio Rochemback or Lee Dong Gook said it there would have been an ugly mob with torches and pitchforks forming before the provocateur could get his Baby Bentley out of the car park.

Immediately Teessiders took sides over what Cattermole had said. Not that it was an original insight, more that it gave a new platform to refight old philosophical battles with the urgency that the pressure at the bottom of the table brings.

On one hand there are those who backed his stance over fans who barrack their own players, insisting it can only undermine already fragile morale and the precious unity between team and crowd that is a key ingredient in building up the momentum neccessary to sustained success.

On the other are those who saw his outburst as a insult to the people who pay his wages, a public rubbing of salt into the wounds as they trudged away cursing an under-performing team that is paid lavishly to entertain them, or at least put up a scrap. They were fuming that having shown their own passion they were told to shut up or stay at home by one of the well paid professionals that chairman Steve Gibson said last week should think about those doing gruelling 14 hour shifts before complaining about the downs of their lifestyles.

Just as battle lines are being drawn against a background of an impending campaign against relegation - and an incipient one against the boss - Cattermole has pointed to the great divide between the ra-ra element who believe the role of the crowd is to give unstinting support, especially when the chips are down, and the chicken-runners, who will go along with that when the team is riding high but when the things are sticky see their duty to point out the flaws and urge the powers that be to act quickly to correct them.

Those factions are two sides of the same coin and deeply ingrained in the Teesside football psyche going back generations, a unity of conflicting opposites that makes a crowd a dynamic and powerful entity - and one that is hard to control.


Let me outline my position. I’m not a boo boy. A cynical, gallows humour grumbler maybe, and a vocal critic when need be, but not a boo boy. If a player is having a nightmare he will not dramatically improve just because angry strangers are hurling abuse, no matter how much a week he is paid.

But while I can’t see a positive reaction to booing, I can see a possible negative one. If an individual is struggling it is hardly likely to aid concentration or form if he is booed throughout by his own fans. Some have even been jeered in the warm-up before now, or as they came off the bench. How exactly does that motivate? Booing will not motivate in this game, will possibly knock his confidence in the next and in the long run could even hasten his departure amid muttering about an ungrateful and unreasonable crowd and, worst, could dissuade others from signing for Boro in the future. Especially if the word in the interconnected text message gossip that is football's cloistered little village is that Boro are a crowd of moaning gets.

The corrosive effect can infect teams a well as individuals too and playing at home can become a daunting task to such an extent that any home advantage is negated. A fear factor can grow as players become nervous at the prospect of making a mistake in front of a mob looking for blood and an excuse to legitimise this week's witch-hunt.

That said it must be recognised that not everyone sees it the same way. There are those whose first instinct when their team or club is in trouble or are under-performing is to boo and they have every right to do so. No one would realistically deny that. Even the players accept it.

Chris Riggott was asked about the booing just as Cattermole had and responded: "I won’t criticise the fans. They have every right to say what they feel. It’s only their way of showing the frustration that we all feel at times. And at least those fans making the noise are turning up for the game. They show commitment, and whether they boo or jeer, we know they want us to do well. And it cuts both ways. We have to perform well to lift them.�

That response was in today's Gazette and it was suggested by some cynics that it was a PR spin job, aimed to counter any negative effect of Cattermole's comments but in fact they were made almost simultaneously elsewhere in the post match tunnel press debriefing. What it reflects as much as anything is that the basic difference in attitude extends into the changies.

It is recognised by all that booing is part and parcel of the established terrace tradition that the paying punter can express dissatisfaction at the fare on offer if they so choose and part of the popularity of the game is derived from its ability to allow fans to express every conceivable frustration at the grind of daily life. And it is a rite of passage for young working class lads to berate this year’s scapegoat in colourful and amusing fashion. It is part of what fans do.

Ideally though it should be reserved for the real stinkers. Overuse devalues it's impact. And let’s be honest, Boro fans of any seniority will have seen far worse performances over the years - or even this season - and in truth a rot-stopping draw against a side most pundits insist will finish in the top half is not a disaster.

But it has gone beyond booing individual displays now. Booing is now an endemic part of the game that reflects a wider frustration and alienation among supporters at the way football as a whole is going and with a growing discontent at wider events at the Boro.

Fans are angry at prices and wages, especially when displays fall short of those the tariff suggests. They are angry at the failure of the club to progress since Eindhoven - indeed some fear the whole process has been slammed into reverse.

They are angry at the weakness in key areas of the squad after big names have left. At a failure to compete. At losing the white band and losing their soulmates at Century. At the soulless atmosphere in the stadium, at overly officious stewarding, at poor PR.

They are angry at things that happened in previous games, for instance at Downing trying to pull off a suicidal Cruyff turn in his own box at Old Trafford, and have nursed the grievance over a week of brooding and gone into games waiting for a chance to discharge that frustration.

They are angry at being expected to be being happy with a point after five defeats on the bounce, at the prospect of a season of unremitting grind around the drop zone having been promised entertaining football and at the growing gulf between the club and the supporters.

And worse still, they are angry that they are tied into it through the season ticket. In the past the discontented would just not go the following week, they would carry out an impromptu boycott for a few games to make their protest. Now, for most, such a protest would only hit themselves in the pocket, not the club - so they stay and make their protest verbally, or sit and simmer in stony silence at long standing resentments that help magnify every minor blip into a crisis and every poor display into 'the worst ever'. The entire workings of the club are now viewed by a significant and vocal faction through a damning prism of barely contained anger.

And in the modern game there is much for alienated fans to protest about in the background and with Boro's current malaise there is a complex mosaic of minor moans in the foreground too that the dissent is a drawn out symphony of white noise with peaks and troughs of anger that map the external political events as much as bad results.

That is the background. For the club the danger comes when the boo-boys start to win the day the debates in pubs and clubs, on the phone-ins and message boards and when the overtly vocal dissent reaches an over-critical mass. Then it takes on a life of its own. When a team loses the crowd a slump inevitably follows and the manager’s job prospects look bleak.

We are not at that stage yet. Although opinion is quickly becoming polarised it is not yet like the final 18 months of Bryan Robson or Steve McClaren when booing was endemic and even the beleaguered optimists could barely bring themselves to oppose it, nor in the last days of embattled Lennie Lawrence when there was fisticuffs between rival factions on the Holgate.

But time is running out fast to halt the slide, head off a fans revolt and get the season and the entire project back on track. The players must not be drawn into a conflict with fans, no matter how well intentioned. They must give the fans something to cheer.

Comments (80)

Eric Sykes wrote...

I think Peter Holtons Lee Cattermole post from the last blog should be moved to this one mate!

**AV writes: I've moved a load over.

Posted by: Eric Sykes  | November 5, 2007 6:22 PM

Andy wrote...

Booing individual players during the game in my opinion will only make the situation worse. Support is the only way even when someone is having a poor game. It is the least us Boro fans should be doing.

At the end of the game then this is different as the full result is there to be judged and the game is over.

Booing a player during a game that has given 10 years to our much loved club is very poor. Many have been and gone yet only a few players ever stick it out.

We are what we focus on! Some Boro fans focus on support and this is surely a solution that may help raise the game but unfortunately some fans focus on blame only and this helps nothing but the opposition. It's hardly rocket science!

It is frustrating I agree when highly paid players don't perform and your hard earned money seems wasted in some ways but some fans end up doing no better by making the atmosphere worse.

Are you left with a sore throat at the end of a game due to singing in support or slagging off? I would like to think I had done my bit as a supporter and leave the results of poorly performing players to the manager to deal with.

We do look for some players or the manager to pull something out of the bag and I bet the very people in question look round the stadium and think I wish the fans would give it some.

Ever had a bad period of time at work? Do you wish for support or do you prefer people to slag you off there and then? Backsides should always be kicked but not on the pitch. We are all part of the team and have a role to fill. Teamwork makes the dream work!

Boo at the end yes, but not during the game!

Focus on the solution and be positive till the end or focus on blame and add to the pressure. It's your choice?

Andy...

Posted by: Andy  | November 5, 2007 9:28 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Booing the players isnt right but it is easy for me to take the moral high ground because I see half a dozen home games a year plus some away games. If I had a season ticket and been watching the drift that has taken place over nearly three years I might have a different view.

The difficulty is what do the fans do? At last years Citeh game I did what I have never done and left 20 minutes early because I was livid at taking out most of my Saturday to drive up and watch players not remotely interested in the match.

I am concerned that we are pinning our hopes basically on Mido. We talk about Woodie, Arca and Pogo coming back in but they wont make much impression at the business end of the pitch. The paucity of our play in their box was alarming when you consider how poor they were defensively.

It is wins that are needed to move up the table because clubs are gradually pulling away from us one at a time.

Back to booing, I have no solution to how fans show they are fed up. We have tried complaing about kit, prices, PR etc to no avail. People have voted with their feet and wallets to be told with us or against us. Anyone who criticises is censored.

The squad is clearly inadequate up front, the performance in the last 15 mins was pitiful, it wasnt that they were nervous but with the best will in the world Boat for Rocky and Hutchinson/Lee for Tuncay/Aliadiere was hardly inspiring.

I have no idea what to do to get the fans back onside other than win matches, sadly it is a mess of the clubs making.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | November 5, 2007 10:17 PM

Sarah2671 wrote...

don't tend to boo the players but as far as I am concerned I have every right to boo the team if I feel it is appropriate.

I pay good money for my season ticket - which gives me the right to cheer, shout or boo the team. I also have the right to leave the ground early if I so wish. There is nothing in writing when you buy your season ticket to say that you are not allowed to have an opinion.

Supporters expressing their opinions has been part of football for many years and long may it continue. How else do the players know that we are not happy with their performances ?

I do agree with Lee Cattermole in that some of the team are trying to get themselves out of this mess. On Saturday you couldn't fault players like Gary O'Neill, Luke Young, Fabio Rochenback and Lee Cattermole for their effort.

We do though have certain big name players who are only interested when things are going well. I don't want to crticise individual players but some of the bigger names need to take a hard look at themselves.

If our outfield (so called attacking players) are not interested and not willing to keep up with the play then it's time they were put on the bench. God helps us if we get into a relegation battle when they can't give their all now. These players must know who they after the response they got from the West Stand on Saturday.

The problems run a lot deeper though than whether the players are giving enough effort.

The areas of concern for me personally are:

Our defensive frailities - Southgate and Cooper are both defenders who have played at a decent level and if they do not have the knowledge to sort out these problems how are they going to address the midfield and striker issues.

Our lack of strike force - the strikers that we currently have are too lightweight. Allidiare is a breathe of fresh air with his speed and but he is not going to get us enough goals per season to keep us safe. He needs a target man up front. We are going to get Mido back fit and then lose him for the African Nations Cup.

Boro committed suicide when they let Viduka and Yakubu go - the Yak had to go but they have not bought in the strikers to replace these two.

Our lack of imagination - This is my main area of concern. We don't seem to have any ideas when things aren't going to plan. Southgate looks out of his depth on the touchline clapping his hands. Other managers are constantly shouting at their team and giving them instructions where Southgate just seems to be asking them to keep going.

We don't even do the basics - when defending corners and free kicks other teams they have two or three players on the half way line, why don't we keep Allidiare on the half way line. If we had a break he could crucify most teams with his turn of speed and it also means that the other team needs to bring some players out of the area. Surely these are tatics that are done on the training ground.

OK it was a good result to get a point but there was another two points there to be taken - the Spurs defence is about as stable as the Titanic !!!

Lets judge the improvement after the Bolton game.

Posted by: Sarah2671  | November 5, 2007 10:21 PM

mark_76 wrote...

I cant understand the fans who think players actually go out on the pitch and dont want to perform.

They're professional sportsmen who have made it in a very cut throat business. I dont know about the rest of you but at work if somebody was on my sholder constantly saying that Im rubbish booing me giving me no support I might lose a little bit of confidence in myself scared of going for it in case I make a mistake again knowing I will get a slating. Just a thought.

I've supported the Boro nearly 22 years in fact and I remember days especially in the Holgate/south Terrace when the fans made so much noise as to be intimidating to other sides. The feeling I always had if the lads got stuck in and tried we would be behind them.

Nowadays I sit and listen to fat ignorant fans (who couldnt even walk the length of the pitch without getting out of breath) slating players from min 1 to the final whistle for not putting enough effort in and coming up with tactical rubbish that just doesnt make sense.

Dont get me wrong i get frustrated as anyone I want to win. But never as frustrated as with the boo boys who bring nothing to the team or the atmosphere of the match.

To be honest thats why I keep going hoping that I can enjoy that buzz as 11 year old and the noise EOIing, singing, being proud of where we come from and it being our team that giving its all win lose or draw have the defiance to say to other teams we dont care we are who we are and we shall be.

Phew rant over sorry but after years of listening to idiots who have no concept of physical exercise and have never kicked a ball in anger in 30 years I have finally broke. We will make it

Posted by: mark_76  | November 5, 2007 10:22 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Sarah2671

I saw a distinct improvement at defending corers. At times we only had nine players in the six yard box, we even had two on the edge of our area albeit inside. Nobody was being marked but at least the zones were covered.

Next week we might only have eight in the six yard box and actually get someone to stand in the D because no one seems to mark that zone. By the end of the season we may even leave a person up the pitch, well maybe twenty yards inside our half.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | November 5, 2007 10:23 PM

Peter Thompson wrote...

Why did Southgate and the team get booed at the end of the match? Having been at the game the answer is obvious. With the match at 1-1 and Boro starting to have a go at a Spurs side which has undoubted talent up front but who are woeful at the back - Gareth takes off our 2 strikers - who are currently the best we had available on the day and replaces them with a misfit in Lee who is really struggling and cannot compete in the Premiership and rookie Hutchinson who is still in his development.

What does that say about Southgate - does he not believe in Sanli to complete 90 mins and is Jeremie not up to it either? Or is he just happy to get a 1-1 draw after 75 mins?

Spurs were there for the taking and Gareth had no belief we could do it. If he reads this for the sake of the team bring back Johnson and make Downing fight for his place and if Downing plays get him to tako on players to the baseline and get behind defences - we are not going to survive any other way.

Posted by: Peter Thompson  | November 5, 2007 10:25 PM

Alb wrote...

Have been going to watch boro since 1957, season ticket holder for twenty odd years.There seems to be a lack of interest in some of the players, the coaching of the team is terrible.

You dont often see the players running in to spaces for each other or passing forward without going sideways and then back.They dont have tactics or set pieces on free kicks. They are devoid of ideas for ninety minutes.

You can have the best striker in the world but if the midfield is poor like ours, as they say if you dont supply the ammo you cant shoot .Rocky and Arca together were good but with Arca out the balance has gone.

I'm sorry but Clattermole is not the answer,he runs around like a headless chicken at times. He gives a 100%yes,but thats not good enough in the prem.

As for his outburst on radio,i listened to it and thats the first time i have heard a player call the fans like that. It was a disgrace and the club should fine him.

A lot of clubs get rid of their managers as soon as the warning sighns are there, why dont we before its too late? When you look ahead and cant see where the next points are coming from its time to worry.

Posted by: Alb  | November 5, 2007 10:27 PM

Tink54 wrote...

mark_76. It's not quite how I remember it, standing in the South Terrace chicken run. The booing on Saturday was nothing compared to the abuse they had to put up with in those days.

What amazes me however, is having not won for 8 weeks, the club start moaning about a few boos.

Meanwhile the Reading players help subsidise their fans away trip to Manchester City by coughing up £5000. Their captain says they understand the high cost of watching football and the frustration of their fans with Reading inconsistant performance.

Boro fans get told not to bother turning up. Mind you we're used to that. The Count told us that the club's season ticket holders aren't needed.

As usual Boro's PR is dreadful.

Posted by: Tink54  | November 5, 2007 10:29 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

Mark 76 I wish I could share your optimism but harsh realities seem to clash with your blinkered view of all things Boro.

"I cant understand the fans who think players actually go out on the pitch and dont want to perform" have you forgotten Yakubu so quickly? or Boksic before him, perhaps Ricketts was a mirage.

I have made my career in a very cut throat business like those players on the pitch, the difference is in a real "cut throat" business thats exactly what happens to constant under achievers. Its what sorts out the men from the boys. We all know what happens to underachievers at Arsenal and Old Trafford.

With regards to "tactical rubbish from fans that just doesn't make sense" that comment whilst may be true applies to current and past Boro Managers in equal measure.

To say the Boo boys bring nothing to the Team is a little naive. As a direct consequence of Saturday there are now two distinct types of players in the Boro camp, those who are up for it and those who aren't. If the Boo boys have managed to get the message across that clearly Gate and Coops couldn't then it will have been worth it.

With regards to the atmosphere it was those same Boo boys who have been singing their heart and lungs out all season only to see it thrown back in their faces by overpaid disinterested unmotivated so called professionals.

I do agree about the atmosphere at Ayresome Park being better but fans were allowed to stand (new all seater stadia suffer from the same malaise) in those days and expectations were a lot lower and like Pandora's box once opened you can't put the lid back on it.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | November 5, 2007 10:32 PM

Malc wrote...

Cattermole should be fined by the club.

What do you think, Vic?

**AV writes:I don't think he needs a fine but he does need to learn a lesson. I have no problem with honesty and would prefer that obvious passion to come through in interviews to the bland cliches we are usually complaining about ... but young players need to learn that it is a double edged sword.

Posted by: Malc  | November 6, 2007 5:56 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

It’s great situation we find ourselves in – First the club alienate the fans – then some of the fans alienate some of the players – which results in some of the players alienating the fans.

Talk about developing a siege mentality to get out of trouble – at the moment Boro couldn’t stick together even if they handed out super-glue at the turnstiles.

I think it’s time for the fans to draw a line under the booing – despite booing being the inarticulate voice of the bully, I think everybody has got the message.

So did booing help the players? No - And I don’t agree that just because you pay money it excuses you any behaviour that you see fit – It’s like saying “I’m feeling bad so I want you to feel worse� – that’s the behaviour of a spoilt child who wants his UEFA toys back.

Though it’s obvious that Southgate doesn’t have the experience to manage a struggling team – even O’Neil is questioning the ‘stick to our footballing principles’ mantra – plus that was exactly what Aidy Boothroyd said last year as Watford lost game after game.

Part of me would like to see Southgate and his team succeed – But what is more important to me is to see Boro succeed - So Gibson has to decide pretty soon whether Boro are looking like avoiding relegation under Southgate.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | November 6, 2007 7:49 AM

Score Draw wrote...

As a Boro fan I regularly feel the need to criticise players because of their perceived inadequacies.

I will never accept that Mark Schwarzer was ever good enough to play for the Boro. After 10 years he's living proof that practice does not make perfect. When Parnaby left I jokingly asked for a clause in his contract insisting that he must be selected to play against us. Pretty mean stuff I admit but let's face it whose really laughing ?

It'll take me 10 years to earn what Mark earns in a year. Believe me the motivation for my criticism is not based on financial envy it is purely football opinion.

Having said that I could never target a Boro player and Boo him before he's kicked a ball and I'm too sensible too think that Booing him when he's having a stinker will motivate him to improve. I would love Schwarzer to get me to admit I'm wrong.

I enjoy a bit of 'base behaviour' myself but I reserve it for the opposing team. I'd really like to be able to taunt Joey Barton about his impending enforced holiday with HMP, or criticise Rooney and Lampard for being too fat. By the way Im 5' 9" and just less than 14 stone i.e. not a particularly impressive Body Mass Index.

I think Lee Cattermole is quite a good player I have admired his physical and mental courage since he first clashed with Rooney last year some time. I think his recent comments are perfectly acceptable.

Just because you choose to pay to watch a match it doesn't give you the right to persecute players on weekly basis. The ticket price is to allow you to watch game and it is accepted that you can voice your opinions irrespective how inane, immature and thoughtless they are.

But we have to draw a line at the some point surely ? Some fans clearly come to the game to purge themselves of serious emotional and personality issues. They spout a diatribe of whingeing, spiteful, mindless criticism and then pathetically link it to "freedom of speech" and "human rights". They seem to be at their 'happiest' in a state of rage and discontent.

I quite enjoyed Lee telling the Boo Boys to shut up and stop whingeing it was the right thing to say at the right time.

Note he was not reacting to criticism aimed at himself he was proecting team mates - a testament to his courage. The players who haven't got nerve of Cattermole should find comfort in the fact that while the bigmouths are at the Riverside helping to pay their wages they can't be at home boring or bullying the missus, the neighbours or their 'mates'.

Retaining the beauty in the 'Beautiful Game' is our biggest challenge as football fans. McClaren could have helped a few months ago when the England 'Ugly Crew' began targetting Downing, Ashley Cole and Lampard. At the time McClaren said "they are big enough to take it" a typical mealey mouthed response.

Give me Cattermole's authentic heartfelt view anyday. My only worry is that it shouldn't be left to a 20 year old lad to launch this type of defence. But God bless him for getting stuck in.

One more point - as a form of group therapy maybe should buy Diouf from Bolton ? Work out our anger and booing issues ?

Up the Boro.

Posted by: Score Draw  | November 6, 2007 9:03 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

I repeat that I dont like booing but I can understand why people do so.

Before the season started I posted that the club was losing the fans, we had fallen out of love with MFC but still loved the Boro. All the seemingly minor, individual pin pricks had built up along with some poor football to sour the relationship between fans and club.

The booing by the fans isnt just about what is on offer, that is the final straw that broke the camels back. We are now in the downward spiral where everything that goes wrong is picked up and brings more abuse and disatisfaction.

The daft thing is that people call the fans fickle. They are but in a positive sense, they are only too happy to cheer and support the team, only too happy to forget the dross on the pitch over the last few years and the apparent disregard of the fans by MFC. If the club engages the fans and we win a couple of matches we will be happy again.

I am not going to criticise Cat for his comments because he is one of us and cares. It may well get worse before it gets better.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | November 6, 2007 9:16 AM

red_rebel wrote...

I don't like booing but how else can fans express their discontent at the state of their club?

There is no mechanism for supporters input into the club, no representative organised expression of opinion through a credible body at all... the official supporters club are a joke, the 12th Man are avowedly non-political, the fanzine is small and the message boards are at odds.

Broadly no one is willing to point the finger at Gibson, he is still pretty much untouchable and there are no other directors or shareholders to pressure so instead people vilify his minions (God knows what will happen now the escape valve of Fordy Out! has been removed).

Even inside the ground there can be no real dissent. Season tickets mean the groups of likeminded Angry Brigaders are all spread out so any organised chanting would be fragmented and inaudible and they couldn't unfurl a banner if they tried - and if they did the stewards would have them out in a flash.

And because every one is now ST the ultimate sanction from the old pay on the day turnstile era - just not going to the next match - only costs them, not the club.

So what are people to do to show they are angry with what is happening on and off the pitch? How to you show discontent at the downward spiral since Eindhoven? It is boo or shut up an accept it ... or walk away. A lot of people have already taken that option.

Posted by: red_rebel  | November 6, 2007 10:08 AM

Ben Duncan wrote...

I booed but i was not aimed at Wheater, Cattermole, Luke young or Gary O'Neil> It was aimed at the players who don't give a damn and those who dissapeared out of the game when we needed a response.

The boos at the end were justified. We got back into it after 52 minutes the team looked united, the fans were elated and Tottenham were there for the taking.

But then we seemed to give up and run out of steam and the game died off dissapiontlingly when you would have expect us to fight to the death for a win

Posted by: Ben Duncan  | November 6, 2007 10:23 AM

score Draw wrote...

Ugly, ignorant boorish fans have 'always' had presence in football. The problem these days as AV states is exacerbated by the fact that they can't vote with their feet they are tied in via the season ticket/bond.

All Cattermole did was redress the balance and confronted those with a season ticket for the 'ugly bug ball' . He possibly recognised the injustice of the mindless criticism of Downing (one of our geatest players) and did what comes naturally to him i.e. stand up and be counted.

I watched Craig Bellamy respond in a similar fashion after the Welsh 'supporters had subjected the Welsh players to "vicious" abuse. I saw a side to Bellamy I really liked he was brave and thoughtful and similarly with Cattermole he merely said what needed to be said.

You can't allow the ugly mob to believe that everything they say is correct just because they were stupid enough to pay to watch a sport they don't fully understand.

They musn't be allowed to damage the form and career of players like Downing.

Posted by: score Draw  | November 6, 2007 10:33 AM

alf wrote...

It is understandable that people boo when we settled for a point with 15 minutes to go and in 18 months we have gone from uefa cup finalists to relegation fodder with no fit quality strikers.

Where has all that £35m gone that southgate has spent? We have far too many injury prone players. The club need to open up to the fans instead of putting a brick wall up. How else can we show our views apart from on a match day.

Posted by: alf  | November 6, 2007 11:11 AM

GrahamG wrote...

Okay Catttermole, I'll stay at home if I cannot express my discontent.

And get used to people staying at home because if you and Southgate and Schwarzer are still here next season then there won't be anyone in the ground to boo.

Posted by: GrahamG  | November 6, 2007 12:15 PM

jiffy wrote...

I too wont criticise Cattermole for his comments. It came as he left the pitch bitterly disappointed at the couldnt- care- less attitude of so many of his teammates. Had he been here longer I suspect O'Neill would be the same.

Older fans might recall the way Brian Clough was ostracised by his teammates for pointing out something similar - that they didnt care anywhere near as much as he did. He was young and willing to give vent to his frustrations regardless of the consequences.

There have been stories of bust-ups at the club after games this season so at least that shows some of them care enough to make their point forcefully.

I dont criticise the crowd either - what else can you do if you are treated with contempt as the paying public are by this club at present? Stay away is one course of action of course but what about those who were there and were there right to the bitter end?

But next time why not break off from booing when those who dont deserve tarring with the same brush - like Cattermole, Wheater and O'Neill certainly - step off the pitch. Show them you care too and appreciate those who give everything for the cause. Target the real culprits.

Posted by: jiffy  | November 6, 2007 12:42 PM

Boro Betting Boy wrote...

Lee Cattermole is out of order. During the game the fans only booed the likes of Mark Schwarzer - who doesnt want to stay at the club - and Stewart Downing who continually failed to beat his man.

Booing at half-time and full-time is the fans' only chance to vent their frustrations at the way things are going this season.

Cattermole needs to remember the fans who are in the ground these days are rapidly approaching the die hards and he would do well not alienate them otherwise the number of empty red seats will be a lot greater next season whatever division Boro find themselves in.

Posted by: Boro Betting Boy  | November 6, 2007 12:48 PM

borolad32 wrote...

I think the situation at the present regarding our league position, our form since gareth took over, and our wafer thin squad, warrent the booing that is being heard on a more audible basis as the weeks pass by.

I dont for a minute think that booing will help the team, it will probably have the opposite effect.

But when people boo, you will generally find that they have already made there mind up, that what they are seeing is unacceptable, and they want change.

The fact that booing may make the team performance worse is of no interest to the supporter booing, because it cant get much worse (2 points from 18), and actually may hasten the likelihood of change (in management) if performances dont improve.

The booing comes from the fan feeling that the current management set up will not be changed as a point of principal, and to ensure no loss of face, and that we will have to endure this torturous run of form until at least next season.

Some of the best management decisions are about timing.
When is it the best time to make changes to alter the current predicement? I think the time is now.

The combination of some terrible signings, some appalling tactical selections, and a very visual perception of lack of ideas on the touchline, have condemned the current team management.

I would love to be proved wrong, but somehow you just dont get the impression at all that this will be the case. If I were to go with my gut feeling, the situation is only going to get worse.

Posted by: borolad32  | November 6, 2007 1:10 PM

Lincoln Burrows wrote...

Cattermole's outburst is outrageous, particularly as he's nothing more than a bit part player in a weak squad.

His introduction to the team has co-incided with the poor run we are on at the moment. The lad's ego by far outweighs his talent

Posted by: Lincoln Burrows  | November 6, 2007 1:18 PM

HolgateEnder wrote...

good on lee catt for telling the moaners to shut the gobs. what a bunch of right whingers we have at the boro, all red faced and drool all over screaming that we are rock bottom and they have never seen worse. have they just started coming this year then?

and it makes me laugh to hear them all squealing now because one of the players has hit back. the boo boys can dish it out but the cant take it.

for me it is a good sign. catt put in a good shift and he will know the booing wasnt aimed at him. but he has gone on the radio to stick up for his mates and that shows a good team spirit.

Posted by: HolgateEnder  | November 6, 2007 2:51 PM

Peter Mac wrote...

I was fuming after hearing "Clattermole's" comments after the match. When are these primadonna's gonna get into the real world?

My son gets the basic goverment wage ..He went to work in Leicester..yes LEICESTER on saturday morning..to try & get a little bit more cash for Xmas..He set off at 4am so he could get back for the match..He is just one of the people around here that are sick to death of these overpaid buffons!

Like Gibbo said a 14 hr shift would kill them!..and YES Mr Clattermole i will be staying at home till a few of your prima donna friends remove their Bentleys,Porsches & Ferraris from the car park!..get a life!

Posted by: Peter Mac  | November 6, 2007 3:27 PM

Matt wrote...

"We all know what happens to underachievers at Arsenal and Old Trafford."

Good quote Redcar - we do indeed, they end up being jettisoned and joining clubs like the Boro.

Posted by: Matt  | November 6, 2007 3:30 PM

Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono) wrote...

Boro have poor fans (like the team) but the country knows this already. You are going down and wont be missed except for the easy points teams get from you.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Posted by: Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono)  | November 6, 2007 3:40 PM

MeBooWhoBoo wrote...

I think that there are two sides to the booing too.

Those who are upset by a keeper who has regularly bitten the hand that feeds him and the ones who wanted Gibson to install the "Top Class Manager" we were told would be employed.

The former is, in my opinion, long overdue. Schwarzer is one of those who has earned out of the pockets of Teessiders for 10 years and yet often seemed uneasy at the club or wanting a way out. I think he gets what he deserves.

The others? While I would argue that it is every paying fans right to boo if they wish to do so, I would add that the frustration is that we have a manager who seems to be lacking in the capacity to build confidence, this despite his "positive approach". A manager who seems incapable of doing his job! I think this is why the boos are ringing around the Riverside.

Fans are begining to feel powerless as Gibson and friends remove, avoid or chastise any one who dares to question what is happening while the club seems to be plummeting towards relegation. The claims that the club represents the fans is so far from the truth it is embarrasing.

These are the things that are being booed, the only forum the fans have to honestly let Gibson know how they feel is the match day, this is not the ideal forum for discourse, so they report their feelings in the time honoured way.

Ultimately you cannot tell the fans that the club belongs to them then ignore only those who dare to truly question something - that is how you disenfranchise fans, that is how you end up with 10,000 empty seats.

Until those within the club realise that you cannot talk the talk without walking the walk for so long before fans get wise to what is happening things will only get worse.

Unfortunately for Boro, the fans are getting wise and are talking with their boos and their feet!

Posted by: MeBooWhoBoo  | November 6, 2007 3:45 PM

dave wrote...

Another PR disaster. First keith lamb not bothered about season ticket holders and now a local player saying some season ticket holders shouldnt bother coming

Posted by: dave  | November 6, 2007 4:08 PM

deka wrote...

in response to "score draw",i dont think by any stretch of the imagination you can say downing is one of our greatest players, that is of course unless you are referring to derek downing,who was indeed a very good wholehearted player.

Posted by: deka  | November 6, 2007 4:28 PM

ayupyabugga wrote...

as AV pointed out you're strangleheld into having to go to the match if you're a season ticket holder. therefore voicing your opinion with your feet isn't really an option at todays prices. which leaves you with little choice to air your views. So if you're not best pleased with the team/player performance how else can express your discontent?

I know, write a letter to Mr Gibson or Mr Lamb, phone them up. i'm sure they'd be really interested in what you had to say about the state of the plight we find ourselves in.

Of course they wouldn't after all we are only the paying public, what would we know, i think 20k+ of us have a pretty good idea though.

So if you want to boo carry on until somebody listens, takes responsibility and makes things more transparent so we don't become so frustrated in the stands.

harrumph

Posted by: ayupyabugga  | November 6, 2007 4:57 PM

Nigel wrote...

The booing is understandable, Lee Cattermole will hopefully learn from this experience and realise that as AV pointed out the booing was the result of pent up frustration and anger not at the Spurs performance specifically but a whole host of issues going back months and years.

That said we are up to our necks in the brown stuff, the booing needs to stop and be replaced by unconditional support, the team needs all the encouragment we can give it, positive support may/can galvanise the team, booing will not.

Posted by: Nigel  | November 6, 2007 5:05 PM

tonyblack wrote...

Personally, I don't boo. That said, I absolutely defend to the bitter end a fans right to boo.

We all have our own views about the state the club's in. To those who are regular posters in here I am on the side of those who want GS and Coops out along with the majority of the backroom team, along with Keith Lamb and if he doesn't wake up, Steve Gibson.

If you look back into the recent archives of this blog you will see that I was amongst the first to air these views and I was shot down in flames for them and abused for having the gaul and cheek to question God Gibson and to ask if it was time for him to move on.

I note that my views have become more and more acceptable and that there are quite a few others in here that now share that view.

Whilst I do not claim that this view is the majority, it is clear that it soon will be unless things change.

The booing that takes place is exactly what is needed to kick the powers that be hard in the backside which will hopefully serve to demonstrate that we cannot go on forever as we are now.

Cattermole should have understood that the fans who hold their club ever so close to their hearts, especially those who pay and go to games every week regardless, are airing their frustrations in the only real way they can.

He should have said that whilst the booing wasn't helping anyone, that he understood why it was being done and that it should in fact serve to re focus the minds of players and coaching staff alike in order to re double their efforts.

His comments have served only to cement in many fans minds the fact that they feel disconnected from the club.

In addition, his comments have served to add even more pressure on GS and Coops because the more teed off the fans feel and the less likely they are to continue to support them.

People will no doubt castigate me even more for my views and portray me as someone hoping that things go wrong in order to be able to come in here and have a go.

But I'm sorry. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times in here. GS and Coops MUST GO and they MUST GO NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE because they are simply not up to the task of managing such a BIG club.

They should never have been employed and so now we are only reaping what God Gibson PERSONALLY has sown.

For this reason his position must also be called into question, as such a pathetic appointment of two such obviously lacklustre, talentless people only goes to demonstrate his total and utter lack of ambition for this club.

What he did is totally irrelevent in the here and now.

His current leadership has served only to pollute fans into accepting and believing that this club's mediocrity is all that " a small town in Europe " can and should expect.

I for one totally and utter do not subscribe to this view and am absolutely and utterly convinced in my opinion that this club CAN AND WILL achieve a hell of a lot more with the right people managing, coaching and running the club.

As it stands, this club is a small club in Europe and as it stands now only deserves to be one.

GARETH SOUTHGATE - OUT
COLIN COOPER - OUT
MOST OF THE BACKROOM STAFF - OUT
KEITH LAMB - OUT
GOD - UNLESS HE WAKES UP - OUT

REVOLUTION AND NOT EVOLUTION IS WHAT IS REQUIRED AT THIS FOOTBALL CLUB IN THE HERE AND NOW.

The past MUST remain simply that. So let us all please forget what and where we were and dare to dream about what we can become.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | November 6, 2007 6:01 PM

beryl owens wrote...

My opinion on the Lee Catermole incident is this;
As a proffessional he is accountable to his management and the people who pay his wages.

Those people are us the fans and if a member of the Boro team plays less than 100% then booing is a way for the fans to show their displeasure. Although myself I do not think it is helpful I can understand it.

As a nurse and a professional I take 'flack' from patients relatives and have to answer for my actions if not up to standard. In addition, I am not on a magnificent wage for it. Although money is beside the point in this debate. I do think there should be some way of redress.

Lee Cattermole has a cheek and should keep his mouth shut and if there is a case to answer, then answer it like a professional. Although It does not surprise me, he has passion for his job but must learn some discipline in both private and professional life.

He is a fortunate young man and many years ago may easily have been in any of the horrendous ICI plants.

Posted by: beryl owens  | November 6, 2007 8:49 PM

pauline johnson wrote...

Hi AV
I'm afraid I didn't hear Cattermole's interview at the end of the match. I was caught up in trying to get through the underpass into the town centre. (When are the Council/Boro going to fix that?)

I agree with many of the commentators on this site in that how else is the ordinary fan going to show their disapproval?

What I have perceived over this last decade or so is that the dividing line between success/failure/relegation is becoming so thin that relegation is decided within a very few games.

As a spectator for more than a few decades I can only say "work hard and believe" you are as good as the opposition, in the majority of cases. Perhaps not as good as the top 4 teams, but definitely as good as the rest.
Believe in your own skill, you can do it.

You need desperately to talk to each other and determine how you like to play and then fit that to the overall tactics of the team. Internationals do not become mediocre overnight. If the "brain/heart" is there then I believe so too is the skill. Prove me right and beat Bolton.

Do not be afraid to try, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Regards
Pauline

Posted by: pauline johnson  | November 6, 2007 10:04 PM

Phil ex Warrenby wrote...

God help us. Lincoln Burrows,Graham G and Peter Mac. I realy think you three do need to stay at home.

Catts was only expressing his feelings,just the same as those who did the Booing. And as for being... A bit player...If we had ten more who could put in a tenth of his "bit" we would have a team.

At the minute we have only five who put in a full shift. The other six may as well stay home with you lot

Posted by: Phil ex Warrenby  | November 7, 2007 4:04 AM

gt wrote...

Ive given myself a chance to digest what is going on, although very frustrated, and i do think there is a possibiliy of relagation.

I believe the club is hoping we can survive this season, with the thinking its another year for the young players throughout the club to mature and develope, getting the deadwood out, and creating a new fresh attacking philosophy. This does take time .

I understand for some its all about now, hence the boos but forget the 8m misfits with attitude noone wants. What happened to the boro nation?

And by the way i have seen most games this season,and at times we looked a good attacking team. I've also seen some of the rubbish other teams are dishing out, and im confident after 38 games we will still be around the prem

Posted by: gt  | November 7, 2007 6:40 AM

Neil wrote...

TB: Wouldn't bother booing either if I was you - they are highly unlikely to hear you from your living room.

Posted by: Neil  | November 7, 2007 8:28 AM

Andy wrote...

Of course fans have a right to boo, they pay the money so why not? However, booing players during a game is counter-productive and achieves nothing but making the players more edgy than they otherwise might have been.
Just makes matters worse, end of story.

Boo at half time and at the end of the game by all means but targetting individual players is crass.

I agree with Cattermole although I do believe he was ill advised to air his views. Some fans have very delicate sensibilities and are apparently beyond critiscism. If you cant take it dont give it!

Lets face it, the atmosphere we generate is third rate. Word gets around. I was talking to a member of staff from a Premier league club and and even he commented on it.

Fans pay the players wages; what rubbish! The TV money followed by sponsorship is the biggest contributor with turnstile income lagging some way behind. All just my opinions of course, but this self-righteous outpouring of indignation by some fans is nauseous.


Posted by: Andy  | November 7, 2007 8:57 AM

tonyblack wrote...

" Neil wrote...

TB: Wouldn't bother booing either if I was you - they are highly unlikely to hear you from your living room. "

A cheap and rather ignorant jibe that doesn't bother me one little bit.

Some people are forced to stay in their living rooms as they've been priced out of going to the games, which by the time you factor in drinks and snacks it comes to a fair amount, especially when you take kids.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | November 7, 2007 9:42 AM

Never Happy wrote...

It is quite simple, if all the players give 100% from the start to the finish of the game then the crowd would not boo.

Nothing rankles with the fans more than see players going through the motions and strolling through games.

Good to see that Pogi and Huth played for the reserves last night, however if / when they return to the team it should not be to replace Wheater.

So Boro have decided to get Mido fit before playing him, why didn't this happen in the first place?

At least Egypt's management should be happy that Boro have not rushed him back, he will at least be ready to play in the African Cup of Nations

Posted by: Never Happy  | November 7, 2007 9:57 AM

Ste O wrote...

Well done Lee Catermole!!! The fans boo the players so why can't the players boo the fans? Boro fans can't have it both ways.

The question is why do fans boo the team??? is it because they are playing bad?? I remember when Joseph Job scored in the last minute against Blackburn Rovers, we played awfull all that game but yet the fans cheered a lucky 1-0 victory...if we played awful then shouldn't the team be booed off??

Posted by: Ste O  | November 7, 2007 11:02 AM

Never Happy wrote...

GARETH Southgate has taken his Middlesbrough squad on a two-day team-building session in the Lake District in an attempt to re-focus minds ahead of Sunday's crunch Premier League clash at Bolton.

More than a dozen members of Boro's senior squad will take part in climbing and mountain biking sessions before returning to Teesside to step up their preparations for a game that could prove pivotal to the rest of the campaign.

The thought of Schwarzer mountain climbing with his handling skills does not inspire me. Who will be the first player to fall off the bike or do a hamstring whilst pedalling?

Odds anybody

Posted by: Never Happy  | November 7, 2007 11:44 AM

mark j wrote...

Now listen TonyBlack, Cattermole has like the rest of us just seen our team run out of strikers and not get those three points he and most of the team were striving for .

He is a 20 year old passionate Boro fan and expecting him to say live that: " whilst the booing wasn't helping anyone, that he understood why it was being done and that it should in fact serve to re focus the minds of players and coaching staff alike in order to re double their efforts," is a nonsense.

Can't you judge his character better by his presence on the pitch? Have some of the people objecting to his play forgotten how Boateng was playing?

With the squad we have putting O'Neil inside next to an improving Rochenback and playing Downing and bring back Johnson-Watford on interchanging wings is the only alternative.

Booing will only make home matches worse as players dread them.The fans need to go for it from the off as do the team.

Downings dip in form came after being booed by England [fans?] It clearly affected him and he has not shaken it off yet. This together with not being rested for Adam Johnson means we are not getting the most out of him.

Can anyone tell me of a worse Keeper in the prem? I feel a boo coming on..
.
With consistency being a problem you would have thought that Gibbo might have considered a respected experienced manager to get the most out of every player - even when we are playing Derby.

Who is to blame for the current striker situation? Did Southgate not say Mido will be good but we will need 6 weeks plus to get him back to fitness after Spurs let him go.

Tuncay and Aliadierre are getting better but like the Gookster are unproven goal scorers. Too much has been left to chance in the most important part of the squad.

I am sure January will bring 1 if not 2 Strikers to the riverside. We need them fully fit and full of goals on the opening day of the window to address the ROT.

New Keeper too!

Posted by: mark j  | November 7, 2007 11:45 AM

David A wrote...

It's heartening to hear that some of the booers weren't aiming their discontent at the younger players or the ones who gave 100%. As the players in red shirts walked off the pitch I'm sure they were all aware whether or not the boos were aimed at them.

Posted by: David A  | November 7, 2007 12:09 PM

Richard wrote...

There is a certain irony for me in this “booing� debate.

The so-called “boo-boys� (apologies to any of the female gender who will undoubtedly feel just as strongly as their male associates – but I didn’t coin the term!), effectively got their retaliation in first! Lee Cattermole got his in later – in just the same exasperated manner in which they did.

Yet here we all are, many of us indignantly laying claim to our “rights� while casting serious doubts, unfairly, on Lee Cattermole’s sense of “duty� to supporters and club.

The “boo-boys� didn’t like what they saw! They felt let down.

Lee Cattermole didn’t like what he heard! He felt let down.

Both will feel justified. And I think we can all understand that, at a personal level. We are, most of us, human!

However, to hazard a wild guess, let me postulate this……..

When Lee Cattermole and each and every one of his Boro playing colleagues arrived at the stadium on Saturday, I venture that not one of them had anything but winning as their intent and their desire. Sure, some may have felt a bit more confident than others about whether they could pull it off. But I dare say each of them wanted to do it.

When each and every Boro fan arrived at the stadium on Saturday, each and every one of them wanted exactly the same thing.

So, we begin the match united in our desire and our intent. We are as one team. Players and Payers. But are we?

Not really.

Fans (Payers) have “Rights� and Players have “Duties�. Don’t they? At least, that’s the impression one gets, listening to the arguments for “booing�.

Expressing one’s emotional reaction publicly at the unfolding spectacle is traditionally part and parcel of the “rights� one buys as an integral component of match-day attendance. It’s part of the social fabric of the game to be able to express the collective emotion.

Therefore, I would not argue at all with anyone who wished to defend “booing� of one’s own team, on the grounds that to (somehow) ban it would violate such traditional “rights�. (Not that I think it at all possible to stop it, other than by peer pressure from those who would take a more restrained and, in my opinion, enlightened view).

What next? Ban cheering? Absolutely not! Highs and lows come as a package. However, it’s the degree to which the Highs, yes, but particularly the Lows in the context of this thread, can be channelled positively for the benefit of the club that is worthy of exploration.

There is currently, a drift into what will inevitably become routine “booing�, as a result of unfulfilled shared ambitions from the season to date. Unless some sustained improvement is forthcoming.

However, it’s at this point that that I become both mentally and emotionally challenged on the merits versus the demerits of “during match� booing of the team and in particular, the obviously targeted booing of individual players deemed “unworthy� on the day, by those in the crowd with hair-trigger emotions.

I think that most people would probably accept that in successful teams (large and small in number), “players�/“members� work for each other with a common sense of group purpose. There is a sense of “duty� to do so. Each depends on the others to play their constructive part to the best of their ability in pursuit of the common goal.

For me, this begs the following related questions:

“Are the people who turn up for Boro home matches truly worthy of the term “supporters� - part of an extended team - or are they increasingly, in our modern consumer-oriented society, more of an “audience�, demanding entertainment?

Are they and should they be, part of an extended team, and therefore, do they feel a sense of “duty� themselves, to do their bit for the common cause?

To what extent is there an element of “duty� in match day attendance by fans?

And to what extent should those who represent “our� club on the field of play, have “rights� to our support – or at least, “rights� to expect that their own support won’t gang up on them and make it harder for them to overcome the real opposition?

The views on this will undoubtedly be fully spectral. Whilst I have my preference, I wouldn’t be presumptive enough to declare absolutes on this – categorical right or wrong. However, each approach has consequences and we owe it to ourselves and to our fellow match attendees, to be aware of the consequences of making behavioural choice.

We only stand ANY chance of being responsible for our OWN actions.

Whilst I can understand why it happens, the problem I have, personally, with booing by “supporters� during a game, is that it is exercising more “right� (which is intrinsically selfish) than “duty� of support (which is intrinsically selfless) to a team already out there trying to perform and produce the results that all of us desire.

There is also a degree of illogicality about "during match" booing of one's own team. As has also been stated elsewhere in this blog, during-match booing probably serves less of a constructive purpose by tipping psychological advantage to the opposition. It is more likely to adversely affect the outcome of a match than act as any kind of incentive to Boro players, who are already out there performing (albeit not up to the standard demanded by the “boo-boys�) and trying to get the right result.

Vocal disapproval can and probably should be expected after a match has ended and performances have been poor. It lends weight via immediacy and real tangible feedback to the call for improvement. As does diminishing crowds, week on week and, longer term reduced season ticket sales, season on season, albeit not in “real time�.

As for Lee Cattermole’s outburst, I’m inclined to see it as a further expression of frustration by an immature young man, who is feeling not only angry with himself and his team for not producing the result that both groups, Payers and Players wanted, but also hitting back at those Payers who have reinforced and compounded his feelings of failure and have publicly reminded him and his colleagues that they have not fulfilled their “duty� adequately.

On balance and with the benefit of reflection, I’m with Lee Cattermole on this, but he may not know why! He’s too young, still impetuous and full of hormones! However, he'll learn with time and experience.

But will the "boo-boys"?

Posted by: Richard  | November 7, 2007 12:09 PM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

Personally I never boo our players, manager, coaches or anyone else associated with the club, no matter what I see on the park. I will however scream my head off in pure, absolute frustration and anger at what I sometime witness.

However I can understand that these frustrations lead to some of our fans wishing to vent their feelings.

I also hope that the players who felt themselves to be at the thick end of the boo's on Saturday, are man enough to take it on the chin, and raise their games against Bolton next weekend, if for no other reason than to prove to the fans that they actually DO care for this football club.

I say this because I believe there are a few who really do not seem to give a damn either way, but care only about their own self inflated ego's and pay packets.

Post-match, we heard Cattermole and Riggott giving us two sides of the players reaction to the booing.

All this makes me wonder just what is going on behind the scenes. Is there a rift in the dressing room? Ego's colliding?Shades of 1997??

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | November 7, 2007 12:50 PM

Score Draw wrote...

Who's the worst ?

(i) The pampered, overpaid, self pitying players. or

(ii) The windbag fans who think they have the right to subject players to mindless criticism ?

It's a hard call but in the Boro's case I think we have a large majority of players who try their best at all times and care about the club.

Also at the Boro we have more than our fair share fans who 'trot out' the standard "phone in" claptrap about players not being passionate enough.

Passion on the football is easy to fake, run for lost causes, get yourself into a few confrontations and the fans think you care. In fact the reason some of them run like headless chickens and posture is to hide the fact that they haven't got skill or courage.

'Passion' as it's understood by the football mob is the most overrated of 'virtues'.

Give me the courage of Downing any day, always wanting the ball, only passing, shooting or crossing when it's the right thing to do, calm and professional with his team mates. He doesn't play for the crowd he plays for the team. He's not a 'hard knock' there again neither is Ronaldo, Arjen Robben, Henry ....... His value is in his skill, honesty, courage and calmness.

The most depressing aspect about this debate is the amount of bull, cliche and rubbish talked about the fans 'rights'.

By all means boo the team, manager and officials if you think they have'nt played well but spare us the sentimental, 'hard earned', 'wrestling with hot steel', "no passion" cliches.

And don't be surprised if a player who is genuinely trying his hardest (but not winning) turns round and 'rejects your analysis' of the performances.

The answer to our football problems is to replace SCHWARZER with a half decent goalkeeper.

PS What the hell was that Deka chap getting at when he mentioned Derek Downing ? Only Boro fans would select Downing and Gibson for special criticism !!!!

Posted by: Score Draw  | November 7, 2007 1:05 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

The Boo-Boys are nothing new, they’ve been part of the game of football for decades – it’s just that today their boredom thresholds are shorter and they’re a bit more self-righteous.

Because the culture of the Blog (I‘m not blaming you AV!) has meant everyone has the right to air their views and be heard - Add to that 24 hour media and a whole raft of talking heads and vox pop journalism, along with endless cruel put-downs delivered by judges on reality shows - having an opinion is not now only for expressing but it also requires the gratification of gaining some kind of response.

OK, I’m not adverse to making the odd criticism myself but I’ll try to make it in the form of a constructive argument – I think you’ll generally find that if you just slag somebody off your point of view won’t be either listened to or welcomed.

So the Boo-Boys expect players and mangers or chairmen to be axed before they grudgingly and heroically turn up for their next judging panel – But just don’t dare to confront these unreasonably rude people Mr Cattemole – otherwise you may be voted off next weeks show.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | November 7, 2007 1:16 PM

Never Happy wrote...

I have just been looking at the physioroom website and Boro are now down to 5 players injured.

This is one table that I am happy to see ud decend on.

Wigan 1 player and Derby 2 players out injured look to be the teams that are really struggling. Both have been able to play virtual full strength teams and are in the bottom 3.

Wigan will possibly get a boost when they get a new manager. So if Derby are dead men walking this leaves Boro in a mini league of eight teams : Reading, Fulham, Birmingham, Sunderland, Spurs, Wigan and Bolton.

Most pundits agree that Spurs will climb the table so that leaves 7 teams scrapping to avoid 2 relegation places.

Reading are averaging 2 points per home game but are rubbish away from home. If they continue with the form they have shown so far they total points will be 41.

Same formula used
Reading - 41 pts
Fulham - 36 pts
Birmingham - 37pts
Sunderland - 33pts
Boro - 29pts
Spurs - 33pts
Wigan - 25pts
Bolton - 22pts
Derby - 19pts

So I have got it totally wrong? Or will all the bottom teams improve? Or it is the worst PL league of all time?


Posted by: Never Happy  | November 7, 2007 1:26 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

The 3 reasons the fans are booing are.

1.week in week out worse keeper in the prem making the defence uneasy.

2.Inexperienced manager who could not get consistent performances out of the team as Captain.Speaks volumes!

3.Four fit prem quality strikers not in place for pre season training.

Fans have a right to boo after a poor performance but booing your own team during the game is suicide. Lee Catermole plays his socks off and can say what he likes.

The riverside should be re named the Cinema due to the lack of crowd noise.

From kick off the players and fans need to focus on taking the psychological edge - 12th man - home advantage to unsettle the opposition. Why don't we boo them instead?

Up the Boro

Can't we play Brad Jones until a new Keeper turns up with 2 quality strikers in early Jan


**AV writes: Jones is crocked. The next in line is Ross Turnbull.

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | November 7, 2007 1:56 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Never Happy,

I'm afraid the logic of you statistical arguement - that if every team continued in the same form for the rest of the season - is that the final table would be exactly the same as it is now.

I think:

Spurs will improve - Bolton will return to their style of the last few seasons (ie better) - Reading will always pick up points - Fulham have been unlucky and will probably be a bit luckier - Birmingham will splash the cash in January and improve - Derby are going down - Wigan will struggle to escape - So that leaves the Boro or Sunderland in the battle of the rookie managers for 17th spot.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | November 7, 2007 2:14 PM

darren wrote...

Catts comment throws up a regular dichotomy. He is right that booing isn't helping and that the negativity will only cause more problems than it solves,but how does the average fan let the team and manager know we are not satisfied with what we are spending our hard earned money on?

I think there is a point being missed here though. AV you mention discontented fans leaving the stadium. For one reaason or another boro fans have been discontented for a long time. The last time I recall any contentment was when we were doing well under Robbo.

Once upon a time we were pleased to walk out of Ayresome with three points, any three points mind you, a scrappy flukey 1-0 over Grimsby would have satisfied, even if the football was poor.

And older fans than I who well remember the boring boring Boro tag given to Jack C's team will tell you they went for love, not entertainment, although if you got a bit of that too all was well on the Boro home front.

We are living with the effects of the Riverside revolution, with expectancy greater than we should have. When SMc was winning with a defensive team and getting us to Eindhoven we complained about boring football. Now we are not winning, but looking more attractive, we are complaining again.

Robbo's season of Samba football ended in an ignominious treble that none of us could really beleive, but lets be fair, there were a few stinkers in the pot as well as some oustanding games that season.

Facing facts the average Boro fan is as fickle as it is possible to be. Sorry boys but we are. And nothing seems to please, but in this halcyon age for footballers where they are earning a fortune and the average punter on Teesside is well under the national average for wages.

Its really not advisable to go biting the hand that feeds you Mr Cattermole, although the debate is, as postulated by Mr Lamb, whether the fan actually feeds the player anymore, the suits from Sky do that I guess.

The club needs to re-connect with the fan base, for too long they have been chasing the alleged middle class influx so well captured by the nineties rise of Sky football.

Middlesbrough does not have that level of affluence, lets get back to dad's bringing along the kids as affordable entertainment on a saturday afternoon, lets sell the shirt nation, nay, world wide...all of these cosy little ways of bringing cash into the club are fine( boro brick road etc) but lets not foget where its at.

We are a local club, a "small town in Europe", as the saying went. Lets live up to it and not try and be something we are not. Ok so the frenzy might be over for the big names, lets make shrewd signings dramatic ones, Junihno was shrewd, Boksic was not... we all know how it goes.

Lets get behind the Boro and cheer every last little bit that we can, but boys I am sorry when you are playing badly and getting beaten on a regular basis, your pay packet should be enough balm for your damaged ego, get out there and show us why we shoudn't express our feelings rather than just telling us not to turn up.

In days of minimum season ticket sales, you would have been facing an empty stadium the following week. Try motivating yourself then !!

Posted by: darren  | November 7, 2007 2:35 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Werdermouth - Hopefully SG will release some of the TV money that will be paid to the club at the end of the season to the manager in January.

If he retains GS then the shoestring budget may continue.
If we get a new manager then any worth his salt will not take on the job without the gaurantee of funds in January.

I think Reading will survive but I still think Bolton, Fulham, Birmingham, Sunderland, Boro and Wigan will be scrapping for survival.

One more thing, unless a club decide to pay over the top wages, what top player will sign for any of the clubs above with the prospect of Championship football on the horizon.

Posted by: Never Happy  | November 7, 2007 3:33 PM

mark j wrote...

Gibbo hasn't got a top quality manager in place because he would have to guarantee the bloke spending power to build the squad up.

Southgate was a discount and so happy that he can't complain about the release of funds to the man who is giving him such a chance.

Southgate never while captain got consistency out of his team so what will change now hes manager?

Well, now his new signings are playing regularly - O'Neil, Tuncay,Young,Aladiere are starting to play for him [and Arca before injury] - except Dong Gook ,nobody's perfect.
Rochemback is improving too.

If he had been funded to buy one or two proven strikers with goal credentials to boost the squad at the start of the season then you never know.

The moment Schwartzer started trying to negotiate a wage increase with his agent using the press is the time we should have bought a better keeper.

Posted by: mark j  | November 7, 2007 4:12 PM

Werdermouth wrote...

Never Happy, It's always going to be difficult get any decent players in the January transfer window - it's bad enough in the summer.

Though since clubs rarely give up their best players - one possibility would involve doing a swap deal - so with Johnson coming back from Watford would you swap Downing for Defoe? It may take a tough call like that to keep us up.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | November 7, 2007 4:26 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

hello Werdermouth,

Downing is not on top form at the mo due to never being rested and booed by the England fans.The answer is bring back Johnson to ad to the squad as we have no quality on the bench even.

Jol is no longer at spurs so Downing may no longer be on the hit list for Ramos.

Also selling Downing[ one of our England internationals sends out a negative message to the rest of the squad and any potential future signings .

I too would like to see Defoe at the Riverside and it could be possible if Ramos brings in Freddy Kanoute or another striker.

I would be happy with Defoe, Bent, Keane or Berbatov . The price might be an issue with Gibbo and will any of them want to come play for the boro.

Allegedly someone's wife doesnt want to leave London for a northern club as the shopping is no good!!! We have a pet shop and everything so what's all that about?

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | November 7, 2007 8:14 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

Werdermouth your Downing for Defoe (or Keane or even Bent or the sulky Berbatov) might be our only way out.

We have a replacement in Jinky and whilst not the ideal scenario to lose Downing its not about SG releasing funds its about bartering. Other clubs won't want to sell a decent striker but they may be tempted to sell their soul for Downing!

Other alternatives are straight cash for Anelka (my preferred option) or to revisit Beattie who seems to be Robbo's only hope at the minute.

A striker with proven ability is a priority, I think that any of Mido, Tuncay or Aliadiere would suffice with Anelka alongside them in fact I think they would prosper.

That then only leaves the guy between the sticks and I would like Cudicini but doubt we could pull it off. I don't think Sorenson or Jaaskeleinen would offer us any more than Schwarzer but we may need to take a very short term view and can't afford to be too choosy so don't be surprised if we pull off a last minute deal for Maik Taylor.

With Arca back after Xmas to pull the strings (and in fairness Downing hasn't looked the same player since Julio got crocked) and Mad Dog nearly there we could see an amazing turnaround in the 2nd half of the season if we could break the bank for Anelka.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | November 7, 2007 8:38 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

In order to draw a line under the "to Boo or not to Boo" debate how about instead of Booing we chant in unison "You'll never take our Parmo's" in a Braveheart type display of unified defiance. It will reflect a deal of despair but also strike a positive note of Teessiders United!

Added to which the Opposition won't have a flippin clue what the hell we are singing about, so how's that? - despair, unity and defiance (not to mention causing confusion with the other side) all in one. Not quite as good as STIE but when needs must! Perhaps the West Stand can lead the chant (said with tongue firmly in cheek).

It could be alternated with "Fresh air, we'll never breathe fresh air, we'll never breathe fresh air, we'll never breathe fresh air" ....nowt like takin the rise out of ourselves.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | November 7, 2007 8:53 PM

Andy wrote...

Red, I was thinking about the Beattie option earlier this week. It is well known that real quality seldom becomes available in the 'window' so those hoping for a wave of the wand to solve our problems may well be disappointed.

This leads us to consider other options such as lower league strikers. I saw a lot of Beattie playing at Southampton and he was excellent each week. Big, strong aggressive, work his socks off, can shoot from any distance, good in the air. Went to Everton and didn't do it.

But he seems to have his confidence back and we are short of a big man (and the rest) as Mido's pie rich diet seems to be affecting him now. Of course I want a world class striker but now that Beattie has his confidence back, I seriously think he might be worth a punt.

Remember Kevin Davies at Blackburn; he couldn't kick a fat bottom! Moves to Bolton and looks a really good player. Just a thought.

Posted by: Andy  | November 8, 2007 8:40 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Whilst we are debating who we want to come in January, getting shot or not of Downing and who will replace Gate if it happens there are some other points to consider.

Read Jeff winter on Comeonboro, he likens Mido to Boksicknote. It may be tittle tattle but we have a slight problem up front, we are toothless. We are pinning our hopes on Mido coming back and he isnt fit yet.

No matter that we have defenders coming back because most teams are likely to concede a goal in a match, clean sheets are relatively rare. We need to score goals because the odd draw will do us no favours whatsoever.

Assume Mido is back for Villa (that isnt certain and he may break down again) he will be off in January so we need more strike power. We will have played 20 premiership matches by then. Our problem is now and up to Christmas or we will be adrift.

Will we have a proven goal scorer fit and in place for 1st Jan? It is unlikely.

We will have one for 31st Jan because no one is going to sell anyone who has been knocking in goals, nor will they loan them out. It is likely to be fringe players coming for their clubs or their own benefit. Even if we get someone in it is likely to take time to get them match fit and bedded in.

We must face up to the fact it is our current squad who will have to dig us out of our current predicament. We do not want to be playing catch up for the second part of the season. And that must start at Bolton, somehow we need points.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | November 8, 2007 9:25 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

Steady on Mr Gill, do you think it's wise to encourage our players to undertake any digging - they're almost certain to put their backs out and join Mido in the physio's room.

In fact I'm surprised that the Physio isn't booed when he runs onto the pitch.

Anyway, regarding our problem scoring goals with our 5th choice north london outfit (Mido and Ali) - the good news is that we'll soon be able to throw Huth and Wheater up-front for the last 20 minutes.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | November 8, 2007 10:31 AM

Phil ex Warrenby wrote...

Score draw What are you on!!!Comparing Downing with Ronaldo,Robben or Henry?you must be joking,. Open your eyes man he's not fit to lace either of their boots,and as for courage and skill well!! But calmness... he was so calm last week he was comatose. the only thing you got right was a new number 1. keep taking the pills.

Posted by: Phil ex Warrenby  | November 8, 2007 10:36 AM

Score Draw wrote...

Phil of Warrenby (sounds like something out of Robin Hood !)

The comparison of Downing with Robben and Ronaldo was aimed at illustrating that not all players are tough tackling 'hard knocks' and that you ought to understand and accept that.

Clearly Stewart Downing is not as good as Ronaldo and Henry - if he was he wouldn't playing in front of the you every other week.

He is courageous, not the phoney courage that appeals to the idiots but genuine courage in attempting to do the right thing in footballing terms irresepective of what the baboons shout.

Only the 'jaundiced' would deny that he's a great footballer. He may not be playing well but, (just to annoy you), Zidane, Ronaldhino, Figo went through periods of poor form. All players do or havent you noticed ?

If he chooses to leave, the team will suffer and we will regret it. Personally I'd be pleased for him, he's a great player who deserves more in the footballing sense than having to play in front of such 'connoisseurs' as 'Warrenby Phil'


Posted by: Score Draw  | November 8, 2007 11:55 AM

stevie G wrote...

A great selection of comments, and all from the same source - loyal and frustrated fans.

Somethings got to give now, weve been here before, the booing will get louder and gather pace, T shirts proclaiming "Cattermole for sunderland" are already available.

I for one dont think its the manager, it will be an unpopular view but I believe Shwarzy and Downing neeed to move on to pastures new. They both excude the belief that they are bigger than the club. Downing being one of the most over-rated players of recent times. How can Adam Johnson still be out on loan when he offers the team so much more, and is technically a much greater player?

And Im afraid I have joined the growing number who believe Gibson has done all he can and is now holding the club back. I had never heard any discontent from my fellow north stand fans towards gibson untill this season, and its growing by the week

Its time for change and a new chapter to unfold, and this time lets hope its not yet another re-write of our ever repeating history. After 25 years I am inclined to give up my season ticket next year and pay as I go, thats the only method I have of showing the club they are failing me as a fan.

And it hurts me to even think that way.

Posted by: stevie G  | November 8, 2007 12:53 PM

John Powls wrote...

Ian

I'm with Werdermouth on digging.

Our lot haven't even picked up yet that when you're at the bottom of a hole the best way to start to get out is to stop digging!!

Posted by: John Powls  | November 8, 2007 4:01 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Lead story on the website

'GARETH Southgate wants his team to climb out of trouble and to the brink of the Premier League top 10 by Christmas.'

Admirable sentiments and we all agree, now go and do it.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | November 8, 2007 4:23 PM

Never Happy wrote...

A snippet from GSs interview in tonights paper

“We felt there was a game to try and win against Tottenham but I think a little bit of fear took over at times towards the end"

Well GS please tell me how you did your bit to allay those fears by bringing on DGL?

How does the introduction of the 'goalless one' spread confidence through the team or crowd?

Posted by: Never Happy  | November 8, 2007 4:24 PM

Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono) wrote...

Never mind the booing, what about this pearler from your local rag --- "GARETH Southgate wants his team to climb out of trouble and to the brink of the Premier League top 10 by Christmas."

Hahahaha, thats made my day that has, it seems like the polluted smoggie air is now polluting Gareths once clear but now seemingly seriously muddled head.

Posted by: Diablo Rojo (Costa de la Darlingtono)  | November 8, 2007 5:13 PM

Brucie1986 wrote...

I think what Lee Cattermole came out and said was spot on! It shows what the club means to him and he is just protecting his team mates at the end of the day!

All these people saying that he should appolgies or he should be fined are probably the people who Boo from min 1 to min 90!

Yes things are bad at the moment and yes if it keeps going like this for much longer then changes will have to be made, however im 100 percent sure that getting behind the team for 90 mins is going to motivate an already short on confidence team rather than booing everytime a ceratin player touches the ball.

Im not saying never Boo we have had some awful performances and the only way to vent our anger is to do just that, but booing players when they have their name read out, or when they take to the pitch just seems to beggar beleif when we are hoping these players are going to influence the game.

I always remember the treatment Stewy Ripley used to get in the late 80's early 90's the lad was booed from start to finish, all of a sudden he scored a few goal did what everyone knew he could do and became a hero!!

Thats all it takes sometimes but if you knock a player down to much they may never recover from it! I can see this happening to Downing already with a certain section of the fans, I keep hearing people saying if we can get such and such amount of money for him let him go, why?

Who would we buy, who would want to join a team where if you having a bad time expect to be booed whilst warming up its just not going to happen!!

Get behind the lad, cheer every corner he takes give him a round of applause when he sprays one of those 50 yard balls across field, give the lad his confidence back and lets just se what it does for him!!!

Oh yeah last point, Adam Johnson is playing in the Championship against Scunthorpe etc, its all well and good saying bring him back but could he do it against Arsenal??

Im not saying he couldnt and Im definatly not saying he isnt a player the boy looks like a fantastic prospect but dont think everything will be solved by bringing AJ back for the last half of the season, 1 whole season in the Champ might be just what he needs and we might just benefit from it!!!

Posted by: Brucie1986  | November 8, 2007 9:00 PM

dave wrote...

Wonder if Cattermole and co think of how much money the fans spend each year following boro up and down the country and sometimes abroad.

Think they are too busy dreaming about their next new car and day off. The players don't give a damn about the fans and players think they are to be teated like royalty.

Posted by: dave  | November 8, 2007 11:49 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Werdermouth and Johm Powls

Whether our lads are in a hole of their own making, it isnt one created by our public utilities which stays open for months.

This is very much a job and finish hole and there are plenty around who will happily fill it with us at the bottom.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | November 9, 2007 7:21 AM

Nigel wrote...

We now have several fit centre backs avaiable for selection, our only notable absentees are Arca and Mido, so its get stuck in time.

No more excuses, we need 100% commitment, no daft mistakes and a couple of goals from Tuncay & Aliadiere will do nicely. That way the hole will get filled in quickly.
The trick of course is to be out of the hole before the filling starts!

Bolton's result last night will be a boost for them, so Sunday will be a tough one. I'll be happy with a point, three will be cause for a minor celebration.

Diablo Derek, I'm curious you read the Gazette, you read and post on this blog, so effectively despite alluding to living in Darlington and supporting Man Utd & Bury, you actually follow the Boro - why?

Posted by: Nigel  | November 9, 2007 10:23 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Brucie

Sell Downing has been a regular topic and is seen as a panacea for all our ills.

Booing affects everyone and gets us into a downward spiral. The problem has been created by the club and it is up to them to lift the crowd and get us back on track.

The current scenario will only devalue the players. What if we sell Downing for 8 million to keep the boo boys happy? We could buy 1.3 Huths for that, two Michael Ricketts or a whole Maccarone.

He is also our top goal scorer having scored a total of three which matches the number of goals scored by Mido, O'Neill, Aliadiere, Tuncay and Dong Goal Less.

Is he playing well, no. What is he doing wrong?

He isnt beating his man regularly to cross to the striker we havent got, maybe he should be on the end of his own crosses.

He isnt covering Luke Young when he goes forward right side of the pitch.

He isnt trapping the ball played ten yards behind him by Boat.

He is getting out of postion because the muppet expects the ball to be played to him or for him to run onto.

In simple terms he is playing badly like the rest of the team but like the rest I dont think he isnt trying. The fact we may have to consider is that we are in the part of the table where we deserve to be. We may also have to consider (and I say may deliberately because a bit of luck and confidence can work wonders) we arent as good as we think.

I dont agree with all that Wenger says but he is of the view that you arent as good or as bad as the papers say you are.

Sunday is another day and a chance to pick up some points but it wont be easy.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | November 9, 2007 11:14 AM

Never Happy wrote...

The simple solution to solving any problem on the left wing is to recall Johnson.

Then if Downing is having an off day he can be replaced.

Posted by: Never Happy  | November 9, 2007 12:50 PM

Nigel wrote...

Sell Downing?! Great idea, lets off load our top goal scorer, most potent attacking threat and a player who is an England squad regular? For what reason?

Because he's an easy target for the boo boys/...brilliant plan, god help us all.

Posted by: Nigel  | November 9, 2007 12:56 PM

'Ignorant' of boroland wrote...

Brucie1986 your point of view regarding Booing is spot on.

However your view on Adam Johnson is a view that if you were manager would send us down in place of Watford!
I think you will find Watford , Charlton, West Brom and Wolves are competative and dont lie down when you play them at home even if they are championship sides.

Equally we are not playing Arsenal 38 games a season.
Take the last 2 games for example [ Man U and Spurs] Fact is we competed well for a good hour. This is not a coincidence ! It is when substitutions are being made to protect Aladierre etc.

Now instead of bringing on Dong Gook or Boateng as we have no bench we could put Adam Johnson a local lad in a Boro shirt and keep the level of form going.

Wake up man we are already sliding backwards and measures need to be taken immediately ! [transfer window accepted ] We could be pushing on in the last half hour and keep the impetus going especially at home.

Then the fans might stop booing.

I could be wrong of course and would love the Gookster to come on and break from his shackles and lead us to VICTORY in a Stewy Ripley style.

Posted by: 'Ignorant' of boroland  | November 9, 2007 1:23 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

Nigel I don't think any us want to sell Downing but the situation we now find ourselves in is dire and if we don't at least get a draw on Sunday it's about to become desperate. Either way we need to sign a proven striker.

Even if the funds are available and recent policies would indicate that despite the Yaks sale the money received may not be there to invest in playing staff come January.

We have the problem of financing a proven striker and an even bigger one of attracting one and the only likely solution there is by waving a big fat Viduka style contract at them.

If we don't start scoring then we are dead men walking, staring at the Championship next season and consequently Stewy leaving in the summer anyway.

With Stewy we have a low cost replacement in Jinky (admitedly a gamble despite his rave reviews at Watford) and a bargaining chip to persuade another club to offload a spare striker. Ideally we could keep Stewy, bring Jinky back and sign a top class striker, but fairytales rarely happen in the real world and we have to face reality.

Who else do we have in our squad to prise/persuade a striker away from another club, Chris Riggot, DGL, Boateng, Woodgate? The important point here is not selling Downing but swapping him or part/exing him, I think the cash would be of little use to us in signing a striker unless we paid well over the odds.

Something has to change and there is no such thing as a free ride.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | November 9, 2007 6:11 PM

pat mcdonough wrote...

I agreed with Lee Cattermole's comments but, in typical young lad fashion, he put it over without thinking about his words.

The big problem about booing during the game, is that it is a double edge sword, in that it demoralises our players and it lifts the opposition. Is that what we want? Do the fans want to contribute to our own downfall?

If we are relegated this season, will those fans who boo during the game feel satisfied if they have contributed to that? That is nothing to be proud of, no matter how badly one may feel about the team's perfomances.

How many times have we heard a football club manager saying, "..the best thing to do in an away game is to get the home crowd against it's own team.."? Well, at Riverside the away team doesn't have to do too much to get the fans on Boro's back - 'we' do it regardless, far too quickly in my opinion. Boo at the end of a game by all means, but not during the game.

Posted by: pat mcdonough  | November 10, 2007 5:56 AM

Darren Liddle wrote...

One more comment on the booing, never mind the who should go and why.

I would like some of our overpaid glory boys to have a word with some of those who experienced the chicken run in its full glory.

Perhaps Downing, Catts, Schwarz etc, should be getting a call from messrs Ripley, Cochrane, Ashcroft, Foggon et al.

Sorry boys but the lightweight booing you are getting is nothing to the merciless tirade dished out in days of yore. I think our modern stars have been cosseted by the "family atmosphere" at the Riverside as oppose to the vitriolic passion often unleashed at Ayresome.

I am not saying its helpful to boo the team and its certainly not in my armoury (I prefer sulking in stony silence) but come on get a grip and do something about it, if you want to improve the atmosphere around you grab the game by the scruff. You will soon turn the jeers to cheers.

Maybe after the battling performance at the weekend that message has got through.

C'mon Boro.

Posted by: Darren Liddle  | November 12, 2007 11:10 AM

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