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Yakkity Yak: Transfer Talk Is Complex Code

Posted by on August 20, 2007 2:23 PM | 

YAKUBU is happy at Boro, definitely not for sale - “he is very much part of my plans,” has been the Southgate Summer mantra - has not put in a transfer request and has not been the subject of a single transfer bid.

So why then is the national football media making merry with constant speculation that he is on his way? Why has ‘expert’ pundit Alan Hansen analysed Yakubu's potential as an aerial threat alongside Andy Johnson? And why have the Everton club shop staff ordered an extra consignment of iron-on ‘U’s?

Officially he is very much a Boro player happy to see out the last three years of his contract and every public statement by the club and, more rarely, by the player, underline this diplomatic detente.

Yet nevertheless it is widely understood that he is available for the right price and has his bags packed ready to go, pacing his room and waiting for the Scouse Cabs taxi.

As one story is knocked down with a carefully crafted denial another flares up immediately. There’s no smoke without fire and in this case you definitely need breathing apparatus.

The Summer speculation over Boro’s deadly August-to-February goal-getter has been frustrating for fans who may believe they’ve been left in the dark, bamboozled by the leaks and counter-leaks or even lied to over the striker’s future and what firepower they’ll get for the season ticket money.

With rumours flying round of showdown meetings, the obligatory lurid tales of dressing room bust-ups and widespread anger over lack-lustre performances where it matters - and with the transfer deadline looming - there is a clamour to have the situation resolved one way or the other and for the club to make a definitive statement.

But far from telling porkies the club have been methodically honest all along. The language and psychology of transfer dealings is complex and precise and the industry-standard spin from the club throughout the whole will-he, won’t-he saga has been an object lesson in how to play the game.

Gareth Southgate’s measured media comments on the subject have been consistent and have maintained the club’s public stance of being unwilling to sell a contracted player - thus pushing up the price.

To admit that Yakubu - or any player - was unsettled and wanted to leave or that the club were looking to upload him would immediately chop £2-£3m off the price and while Chelsea can take those losses a club like Boro surely can’t.

Also, footballers are athletic egos fuelled by confidence and for the manager to admit that he did not want the player would leave a massive motivation problem should any mooted transfer fall through, which is always possible.

Hence Boro have stressed at every opportunity that "we want to keep him... he is part of our plans... we are not in the business of selling our best players... he is not for sale and we'll fight to keep him .” "Until that changes."

But the language is full of code words too that send out subtle signals to the striker’s suitors that the door is still open. Along with the assertions that he is part of Southgate’s squad have come the careful modifiers: “we don’t want to BUT every player has his price... IF we get offered silly money...” These are carefully selected phrases again intended to prop up the price. They scream a player IS for sale - but only if you pay over the odds.

This position has the added advantage of allowing the club to sincerely climb down from the “don’t want to sell” stance because there will come a point where the money triggers a move and the club can truthfully argue “we couldn’t turn that kind of cash down.”

So has there been a bid? With Portsmouth and West Ham strongly linked early on then Manchester City seeming set to sign him before the current spate of stories linking the Yak with a £10m switch to Everton surely the club are pulling the wool over our eyes when they say there hasn’t been a single offer?

Again, the club are telling the truth. You have to read not between the lines but what exactly is said and there has not been a single quote from any manager about a bid. Of course, that is not to say there has not been firm interest that the club and the player are well aware of.

There are various levels of interest that fall short of a bid: a formal inquiry, usually from the would-be buyers’ suits, asking their counter-parts if a player is available and at what price; the informal inquiry when a manager will ring up his fellow boss and tentatively ask if there was any chance; or more discreet arms-length feelers being put out, through agents or mutual friends asking if the player would move to club X and how much he would want in wages, contacts just this side of tapping-up. That's how it works in football. Plausible deniability.

Likewise the club can honestly say that Yakubu has not ‘slapped’ in a transfer request. Players never do because if they move to terminate their contract then they forfeit all ‘loyalty bonuses’ due whereas if the club agrees to sell them then they strike the jackpot twice, a pay-off and a signing on fee at the new club.

That is why there are tabloid wars of words between clubs and players as they try to manoeuvre each other into a contractual checkmate with millions up for grabs either way.
Besides, if a player ask for a transfer and it falls through they will be roasted by the fans for their lack of loyalty.

So he’s not for sale and there’s been no bids. That’s official.

**This is a sneak preview of Tuesday's Big Picture column in the low tech paper Evening Gazette

Comments (52)

Never Happy wrote...

The only suprising aspect of the Yakubu saga is that another club is willing to pay £10 million + for someone who only plays half a season.

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 20, 2007 4:16 PM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

The cartel that Silkman is part of will have their pens at the ready, because Golden Egg’s a plenty are in the hatching and the Yak is a big cracker.

No doubt the club will get back stabbed at some point, because Viduka couldn’t keep his trap closed like a very fortunate millionaire should behave.

He even referred to the unsettlement of other players which is not on, and shows how deep his mind and heart were inside our shirt.

Some of these present day players should be kitted out in nappies, because they behave like babies.

That’s my shout and good riddance Yaka-Blue.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 20, 2007 4:49 PM

Denis Barry wrote...

All this posturing over Yak is predictable but judging from his body language against Wigan his heart is not in the club.

If the right offer came along which has to be more than what we paid for him, then let him go. One interesting aspect about his omission from Saturday the observation by Hansen on MOTD that he is good in the air, proves once and for all how little knowledge these pundits have on the players they watch.

Everybody at the Riverside knows how poor Yak is at heading. Equally poor marks to Hansen and not for the first time, making a crass football judgement.

Posted by: Denis Barry  | August 20, 2007 8:33 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

I actually think the club are playing the Yak situation quite well, cant do much more.

Also I dont think Yak isnt trying, he just isnt with it. He was never the best at trapping a football, he isnt a Nat Lofthouse in the air or a Sherpa Van poacher. He only has to be a few percent below par and he looks poor, we know that from watching him in the past. The distractions wont be helping him and it is affecting his performances.

Now this is not me backtracking because I think he should go, the current situation is untenable for both parties. Before I get abuse just think of yourself, if you are unsettled or unhappy it affects you driving the car, your home life, everything seems to go wrong. Footballers wont be any different.

Best thing is for him to move on with our thanks and best wishes.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 20, 2007 9:26 PM

Andy wrote...

I hope we get Alves to replace the yak. The footage on youtube is very impressive, he's big strong and agressive and scores for fun. He looks a serious class act and would be a definite fans favourite. him and Mido would cause chaos in the prem. 34 goals in 31 games! i get goose bumps just typing that!

We need something to pull everyone together again, Boro seem to be stuck under a black cloud lately, just cos the has been know it all's on soccer saturday say we are going down doesnt make it true!

Posted by: Andy  | August 20, 2007 10:00 PM

Brighton Smog wrote...

I read tonight that the Yakubu deal has supposedly 'collapsed' over the transfer fee. We apparently want £12.5 mil, against Everton's offer of £11m.

Whilst I acknowledge the transfer market has gone ballistic this summer with the TV deal money that has come into the game, if I was Gibbo I would snap Everton's hand off for £11m. This bloke is worth nowhere near that amount.

I remember asking a pompey fan about him a couple of years ago when we signed him and his response was he was largely indifferent to him and in fact was completely chuffed that someone was willing to cough up £7.5 mil for him. I now know exactly how he feels.

Given the choice, I'd far prefer to have kept the Duke than Yakubu. I can remember far more games where Viduka was head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch - how often could you say that about Yakubu. Let's get the money on him and send him on his way.

Posted by: Brighton Smog  | August 20, 2007 10:19 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

it has been plane as day all summer that yak was going, he knew he was and the club knew he was. all the games in the media are just marking time and as you say making sure we get top dollar

the way i see it the club have said to him okay you can go, gentlemnans agreement, just let us get someone in first. but as boro missed a few and the season kicked off he is started to get nervous, maybe rocking the boat with his agent leaking a few things to the press.

the moment they signed mido he has stepped up his whinging. looking at his display at wigan is the closest thing to a player going threw the motions since emerson. we cant afford to keep him now coz we know he can do that all season lik ehe did at pompey onc ehe knew boro were in for him.

so we've got to get shot now. next week with the deadline he could be worth £11-12 mil but if we dont sell then come the janaery window it could be down to £5m and him looking like ricketts.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | August 20, 2007 10:31 PM

red_rebel wrote...

It is all very well talking about the club speaking to us in code but that is far to subtle for Boro fans. There are plenty out there who will hear exactly the message they want to hear no matter how clearly it is worded by the club.

The club PR hasn't recovered yet from the misconceptions over Lambie saying Teesside would get the club it could afford which has passed into Boro mythology as a threat we would "get the club you deserve" while Steve Gibson hoping that "maybe" the club "might" sign a few players and one or two "may just be" spectacular" has now become a personal promise written in blood.

So Southgate should cut out the code and start talking Teesside. It needs to be spelt out loud and clear: Yakubu is for sale but we want our money back and with transfer fee + signing on fee + agent(s) commissions + loyalty payments to make him go away you are probably looking at least £10m and possibly more.

Right now it is worth even taking a hit to get him out because we know the consequences of playing someone whose head and heart is not in it and the pitfalls of keeping an xpensive player on the bench or in the stiffs. If he isn't sold by the deadline his value will plummet by the week.

Posted by: red_rebel  | August 20, 2007 10:43 PM

Lee wrote...

AV
Obviously Boro have to talk like this because they want to get the best possible amount of money for him when they do sell him. But it is blatantley obvious that Boro want rid of him so do you really think that a few carefully chosen words by GS is going to fool anyone?

Everton or whichever club come in for him no fine well that he is up for sale so I cant see what difference it makes what GS says.

Having said that, if we can get more than £10m for him, it will be an unbelievable piece of buisness, because as far as I am concerned Yakubu is a very poor player.

It will be interesting to see how many goals Yakubu scores at Everton when Andy Johnson is their penalty taker. At least they will have his great ariel ability to help them.

Posted by: Lee  | August 21, 2007 12:50 AM

Ian W wrote...

To me, Yakubu has always been an upmarket Hamilton Ricard since he joined boro. Before that of course he was a quality striker. He came here because we were perceived at a big club, and he could move onto bigger things through us rather than Portsmouth without Redknapp.

If he were to leave, I wouldn't clap him onto the pitch like Queudrue, but I would boo his every touch, unless the situation changes and he does a Viduka and mouths off. I have no respect for a player who is paid an a**load of cash to represent a town/city, then sl*gs the club off.

Posted by: Ian W  | August 21, 2007 1:27 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

Boro are poised on the edge of another landmark moment in their history - they're actually going to make money on a transfer acquisition!

Not since TLF's departure to Madrid have we managed to engineer such a result - plus we've not had to get relegated to force the issue.

This is not the Boro way - we should be offloading our failed stars to lowly Italian clubs for a fraction of what we paid - or if nobody is willing to have them for nothing we should allow their contracts to wind down and pay them big bucks to be half-fit decorations in the stiffs.

Better still - and this takes a bit of skill - we should let our best players run their contracts down so they can move to our rivals for nothing.

So I'm become increasingly perplexed at the thought of making money on player - come on boro get your act together and get the Yak back into the team so that he can depreciate below 7m before allowing him to go.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | August 21, 2007 7:26 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Red Rebel

If the gossip is true that we are holding out for £12m then it is a grave mistake. The die is cast, he knows he isnt staying we know he knows and he knows we know he knows.

No player can perform in that situation and as you say he needs to be gone by the end of the window because his value wont appreciate.

But is this all transfer speak? None of us really know what is happening in the talks.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 21, 2007 8:42 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Surely it is a joke that Boro have turned down £11m for Yakubu. As other's have posted, if he does not go by the deadline his value will fall by the week.

GS is living in cloud cuckoo land if he really thinks that Yakubu will stay and fight for his place.

His performance at Wigan shows that he wants away and keeping him here will cost Boro in the long run.

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 21, 2007 8:57 AM

John Powls wrote...

Agree with all that is said on The Yak - if the difference in valuation is only £1m then do the deal. Having him around now would be poison.

And for goodness sake, if The Mackems offer us a price anywhere above what we paid for Arca - get rid. That would be good business anyway and would be little loss if we use the receipts wisely on who we bring in. The same goes for Rocky.

I hope that the 'not for sale' tag that the club have applied to Arca is just the usual code. Interesting that they don't seem to be saying the same thing for Rocky.

Having seen him storm up the pitch to score in the League Cup last season I'd like to see Seb Hines given a try in a midfield position at some point rather than at right back.

Posted by: John Powls  | August 21, 2007 11:18 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Werdermouth

Dont jest, the scenario you painted is eminently possible.

Never Happy

I dont think Gates believes he will stay and fight for his place.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 21, 2007 11:22 AM

Mark B wrote...

I agree with everyone on here who say that holding out for 12 mil is a massive mistake. Sell him for the mooted 11 and move for Alves or the 2 from PSV. Better still, accept the alleged 5 mil for Arca from Sunderland and go for all 3.

Posted by: Mark B  | August 21, 2007 11:50 AM

Never Happy wrote...

A new chant plagiarised from Notts County fans but what the hell, boom boom boom everybody say Mido ……… Mido

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 21, 2007 12:05 PM

Neil (USA) wrote...

The world has gone mad.

The Carlisle manager was sacked after one game (a draw).

Martin Jol is -- if you believe the tabloids -- on the brink of being sacked.

Gerrard whines like a little baby about the ref being bullied by Chelsea into giving a non-penalty when he was guilty of the exact same thing to win his free-kick against Villa (Petrov didn't touch him).

Phil Gartside believes that Sammy Lee is a better manager than Big Sam.

And Boro want 12 million for Yak. Yer jokin' aren't yer?

Obviously, as AV points out, what the papers and the clubs "say" masks the more complex negotiations that exist between managers, agents etc., but for pete's sake, get a deal done.

I'll hold my hands up and say that I've seen very little of Yak in the last two years, but from what I've seen and read, the kid does not fit our plans.

And I'm sorry, but anyone who traps (or in his case cannot trap) every pass like he did against Wigan (the ball cannoned ten yards in a random direction of his leg every time he got the ball), should consider himself very lucky to be playing in the premier league.

I'd be livid with my under-12 girls team if they consistently miscrontrolled the ball like he did, and then to top it off the one or two occaisions he did manage to controll the ball, he passed it to Wigan.

One more thing. This is not a time for "typical Boro" faffing around and letting in our more bullish rivals. If we want to compete, we have to get the cheque book out and show we belong with the big boys. I'm all for being careful with money, but we obviously need a stronger squad.

Posted by: Neil (USA)  | August 21, 2007 12:16 PM

C J wrote...

I think the club are right to try and get as much as the can for Yakubu. The reason being that they will have alotted money for the players they want to bring in.

Finally in the past Middlesbrough have been to quick to accept the first bid they have received for players. Hopefully we can secure the money we want to purchase the likes of Kone, Farfan etc

Posted by: C J  | August 21, 2007 12:23 PM

LA wrote...

Yak is like Heskey - looks great when he's playing well, but awful the other 95 per cent of the time.

Boro should bite Everton's hand off for £11m.

Posted by: LA  | August 21, 2007 1:09 PM

beeline wrote...

OK, so we've established that not a lot of poker players read this blog.

Posted by: beeline  | August 21, 2007 3:00 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Beeline - not many at the Riverside either if they do not cash in their 11 million chips

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 21, 2007 3:45 PM

Mal Graham wrote...

If we miss the boat with Yak and don't grab the reported £11m it will be a huge mistake. That sort of cash represents very good business for a player of Yaks ability.

It's worth remembering that we only got 1 million more for Juninho and I have to say the difference between them is quite noticable.

Yes Yak has scored a lot of goals for us but he also takes the penalties. He has a poor first touch most of the time and relies a lot on his strong running and body strength so requires the right service, and that does not mean Downing like crosses. Where this (Hansen) notion comes from that Yak is good in the air I don't know, it's just another example of how little the southern based media really look at Boro and our players.

Let's not forget Yak went from February to the end of last season without scoring, and his performance at Wigan told it's own story.

I really hope a deal can be struck with Everton (or someone else) and we can move on to Alves etc.

Posted by: Mal Graham  | August 21, 2007 3:54 PM

dave wrote...

Sounds like there arn't many takers for yakubu at the price boro want otherwise he would have gone pretty soon after we bough mido last week.

I do think the club should have proactively sold him begining of july when a lot more clubs had more money to spend and in the market for a striker.

Seems now it is between us and Everton only, so if everton know this they will offer less.

**AV writes: What Boro really need now to strengthen their hand is an injury to Andy Johnson

Posted by: dave  | August 21, 2007 4:05 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Extract from Daily Mail article today

'However, discussions are ongoing and speculation that a breakthrough could be imminent grew when it emerged that Yakubu did not train with his Boro team-mates either yesterday or today.'

AV - do you know if this is true?

**AV writes: Ys it is true that Yak was not at Hurworth but there is nothing sinister in that - he is away to join up with the Nigerian squad. He may however have flown out from John Lennon International Airport which is strange....

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 21, 2007 4:14 PM

Never Happy wrote...

AV - I thought you would know better than to mention injuries on this blog!

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 21, 2007 4:33 PM

deka wrote...

snap their tiny little scouse mittens off...11 million...i,d have been delighted with the 7 we paid for him.

we need to bring in a striker to replace him obviously,but we desperately need midfielders and at least 2,we must ship out the remainder of the sick lame and useless as well.

lets start afresh and fight our way up that table, bring in the right players and the fans will come back...

come on boro lets get it sorted.

Posted by: deka  | August 21, 2007 5:55 PM

Shaun wrote...

Yakubu doesn't have the worst strike rate when you consider that we've played with a predicatable style for the past two seasons - which has obviously limited his supply somewhat.

I know people have said a lot of his goals have come from penalties but they all need converting. If Mido nets six off his rear-end this year none of us will be complaining.

With the 'all-new Boro' approach seemingly well underway, questions lie over Yaks' overall contribution to a game of football and, as well all know, that is where he is lacking. A 70 minute stint from Mido on Saturday made Yakubu's average showing look pitiful.

So, while it's fair to say he wants out/club want rid (but shush, keep that quiet because Moyesy is watching), we shouldn't forget that this is a hard decision for Gibbo and co to make. £11m + is more than a fair price but in terms of a replacement, the club is going to have to take a sizeable gamble. Alves looks good on the 'owld Youtube - but so does Aliadiere...

Replacing 12/13 Premiership goals + whatever else he chips in with in the Carling and FA Cups will not be easy. I'm all for moving an unhappy player on, especially after his showing against Wigan, but we shouldn't get overly excited by the named contenders for his shirt just yet - despite the beauty of Youtube.

PS - No mention of a move on Yakubu's myspace site just yet either. He's not 'blogged' for a while...

Posted by: Shaun  | August 21, 2007 6:34 PM

Chris wrote...

Any player who scores the number of goals that Yak does in the present transfer market is easily worth £12.5m.

If Everton are'nt prepared to pay that then there's no deal to be done. Why should we be held to ransom? If they are'nt prepared to pay our valuation then pass them off.

Posted by: Chris  | August 21, 2007 7:48 PM

Nigel Reeve wrote...

Beeline, you're spot on the Yak transfer is a game of poker, he'll be sold and Boro will buy a new striker before the window closes.

Posted by: Nigel Reeve  | August 21, 2007 8:19 PM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

I bet the Yak thrived on your well worded and factual feature in tonight’s Gazette!

Everton & Silkman will make certain that no financial loss occurs, because that’s the new precedent that has been set this season.

A tried and tested formulae that makes buying a season ticket look a complete mockery, for the multitude of die-hards.

I just hope that the Evening Gazette sports section come up trumps when he’s gone.

12 million will be the outcome, because the Boro are in pole position!

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 21, 2007 9:02 PM

Dennis wrote...

If Yak wants to go let him go, regardless and get somebody in who wants to play for the shirt.

If it means we get one of these flashy brazilians and finally someone who can play on the right, still not convinced Tuncay can play there, then surely that's got to be good business. We still need an injection of pace despite introduction of Tuncay and Aliadiere.

AV, been reading of exploits of England team. Do you know whats happening with Nathan Porritt? Seems to have been buried since Panorama programme, but no mention of a contact signing and he hasn't got a squad number. Yet the England coach talks of the understanding between him and Jonathan Franks being key.

Any sign of a resolution?

**AV writes: I believe Boro's contract is still on the table while none of the predicted offers from big clubs has materialised as yet.

Posted by: Dennis  | August 21, 2007 10:00 PM

allycat wrote...

When we sell Yak, we should do the world of football a favour and make a few quid ourselves.

Lets buy Heinze from Man utd for 6.8m and then sell him to liverpool for 8m a week later. Ok, that might annoy old redface at old trafford and we will not be able to buy any Man Utd players in the future but being without players of the calibre of Clayton Blackmore, Mark Wilson and Jonathan Greening is not going to make me lose any sleep.

Besides it would be a pre-emptive strike against United for when they come to the riverside later this season and rob us with a dodgy penalty. After all we don't have the Middlesbrough Mauler Morrison to sort out Ronaldo this year.

Posted by: allycat  | August 21, 2007 11:20 PM

Billy wrote...

AV, any news on the two Egyptian trialists? I got the following lowdown on them plus the reaction to Mido's signing from a mate in Cairo:

"Actually people here are excited for Mido's sign to middlesbrough as it might be a good oportunity for him to play as a first choice.

On the other hand Ahly fans are sad for Metoeb and Shawky's move as they were two of the major pillars that lead my team "Al Ahly" to wining the arfrican uefa twice and the fifa club world cup third place.

Metoeb is my MAN, he is an excellent striker with wonderful under presure ball control and great finishing, he also have a GREAT spirit. Everyone here think he's even better than Mido in his goal finishing :)

Shawky plays as a defensive midfielder he is brilliant in his defensive role, good in building an attack but needs to enhance his shooting accuracy.

I'll be definitely supporting Boro to cheer for our players :)"

Posted by: Billy  | August 22, 2007 10:22 AM

Malc wrote...

Allycat- nice banter mate!

Back to the boro, I can't wait for the Geordies. If Woody was playing we'd be a sure bet. Looking forward to West Ham away, I'll be there.

One point, lets get behind the Boat. His tackle set up the Mido goal. A real cruncher. Also, Aliadiere's pass to Cattermole was immense.

Thinks look okay, Come on Boro.

Posted by: Malc  | August 22, 2007 10:26 AM

alf wrote...

I expect yakubu to go to everton but before it goes through there wil be a last minute hitch, something like yakubu's super agent demanding a pay off from boro and a fee from boro and /or everton like when yakubu signed here.

Everton say sod this so boro end up paying an extra £2m of the £11m fee to his agent to push the move through quickly before end of august

Posted by: alf  | August 22, 2007 10:49 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

As you say the negotiations for Yak are bound to be tricky because of the number of people involved who want a piece of the action.

Interesting that gossip says Pompey offered £5m and Nugent for Yak. Three possibilities - paper talk, Pompey arent impressed with Nugent or Pompey are dead keen to get Yak back.

Whatever the truth of all the rumours the current situation is doing no favours for the club or Yak.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 22, 2007 11:51 AM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

I hope the Rock stays, because his skills & that of our newly acquired players look far more on par.

He couldn’t make an impact with Viduka and Yakabu, because they ran the show.

Aliadiere’s cut back pass from which Cattermole scored had all the Hallmarks of a clinical Arsenal.

Cattermole knew that pass was forth-coming and I am sure many more such brilliantly worked moves will also arise, given that we now have far more wider brains up front.

Hindsight does help and looking back now in a true light, Blackburn escaped what should have been game set and match at half time.

So now that lesson is now bagged, hopefully our next visitors we see that we have learnt well from a missed opportunity.

I know this Blog is all down to the Yak, but if we bring in what has been echoed then we will have some squad.

The Premiership big boys will drop points everywhere, because that gap in quality is closing and its affects are so evident.

So its 9 days to Christmas AV, and are we in earshot of any news please?

**AV writes: Not yet but I hope we will get just what we always wanted.. As long as we don't end up with a turkey I'll be happy.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 22, 2007 12:24 PM

Tosh wrote...

I do not think we can underestimate the damage Yak inflicted on himself, the fans and the club by his non show at Wigan. We played with ten men there, but worse still, his antics completely undermined team spirit and morale.

Without the latter it is very, very difficult to win in sport, at any level. I can not believe that G.S. thinks the damage can be repaired. I believe any attempt to repatriate him within the squad would be crass and doomed to failure.

He has lost all credibility among the fans and apparently the players so he has to go sooner rather than later, and there is no way now we will get the valuation stated in the media.

Posted by: Tosh  | August 22, 2007 1:21 PM

Nigel wrote...

Very Happy - I agree with you on Rocky, he's a good player who has had some excellent games for Boro. Iif he finds a level of consistency and cuts out the flashy moves around his own 18yd box then he'll be a real asset to the team.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 22, 2007 1:40 PM

Samuel wrote...

Hey, i'm new writing on this forum, but am a daily reader and am a fan of the boro since birth!

Born in Middlesbrough, but now live up in the bonnie hills of scotland! So hello to all who post reguarly and i would like to get in on what you guys are so passionate about, cause i am too!

So...many stories and a lot to take in on this Yakubu situation, i really don't know what to think anymore! There must be tens of rumours now! At first the thought of getting rid of him sounded really appealing, £12,000,000 which can then be used on new players.

We all saw how he performed last week, and yeah he was shocking! He has got a lot of stick for it, i keep reading 'his mind is in another place' (or shirt depending on how you take it).

But reading another so called rumour this morning, i started to think, should we perhaps feel sorry for him and maybe we should start getting behind him!

I am not so sure now if his mind was in a different place, the thought would have occured to him and he probably wouldnt say no to a move to everton!!

However, it must be hard for him to hear so much speculation on his future, it must be hard to deal with and constantly on his mind. I would probably feel very much the same if i was in his shoes (not that ill ever be, sunday league footie aint quite the same!).

He has said he is quite happy to stay earlier on in the pre-season so why don't we get behind him (now especially as we don't know if he is actually going anywhere) and get him back in form! If he stays he won't find it easy getting back into the swing of things, so lets support the guy who has scored us 34 goals the past two seasons!

I don't think facts like how many penalties he scored matters, cause as long as we get the goals i don't mind, and we don't have another penalty taker like him so in a way we should be thankful.

We know what he can do, look at him and Viduka early this year, they were at the top of their game scoring goals in a great partnership! I know Viduka has left now, but now we have Mido, a footballer with the same sort of qualities, who is to say that him and Yakubu aren't gonna hit it big time? Cause i seriously think there might be a possibility that they do!

I admit i was feeling very wary about what was gonna happen this season, i have at points thought to myself..."geeze, this is gonna be one heck of a long and sad season". Not very optimistic i know! Now though, complete opposite, so "COME ON BORO!!!!" and lets all get behind them, even Yakubu!

**AV writes: Welcome aboard.

Posted by: Samuel  | August 22, 2007 2:25 PM

Nigel wrote...

When I see someone like Daniel Levy threatening to sack Jol after three games and demanding champions league football because they have spent a lot of money it reminds me of how lucky we are to have Steve Gibson in charge.

I think Jol has done a good job with Spurs, three years ago they were on a par with Boro, they have finished 5th two seasons in a row since, would have finished fourth the season before last if it wasn't for a dodgy meal and look set to push hard for fourth this year.

Levy clearly lives in a fantasy world where he believes money buys success, when actually what it buys is potential, with that potential maybe taking a year or two to bear fruit.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 22, 2007 2:25 PM

Mainy wrote...

I firmly believe that we should have a replacement already lined up and signed before we sell anyone else.

However saying that if all these alleged clubs are interested in Yakubu, e.g. Man City, West Ham, Porstmouth & Everton then why not accept a bid and see what happens?

I mean, look at the Mido situation with us, £6mill agree, Scumderland come in with a £7.5m bid, we renegotiate and pay £6.8m. Thats an extra 800k they get from us.

So with all these clubs having lots of money at minute, lets accept Evertons £11m bid, then hopefully one of the others will come in with a higher bid and we can accept that and maybe get a compromise with Everton and get the money we initially wanted.

However saying this, if the story about Nugent & cash is true then I would take this deal or try to convince them to throw O'Neil in there too. That would give us Midfield cover & a direct, more skillful, younger, England International replacement for a half season player.

Same goes with Arca, if Scumderland want to pay £5m for a player we paid £1.75m for a year ago then I would be tempted to cash in and go for Taylor at pompy as an inside left for us (who can aso cover left back and will score more goals than Arca).

I like Arca but feel the money would be better for us and we could buy a cheaper alternative in Taylor and still have money left over. Alternatively, sell the Boat as Cattermole can do an equally as good job and so too could this Eygption trialist i bet.

If benfica offer us what we paid for Rocky I would take it. If we can get anything for Euell that would be a bonus although at the minute i would prefer to keep him as back up rather than LDG, at least Euell has scored at some point in England!!

While on the subject of getting players out, AV is there any news on Mendieta or are we stil paying him for nothing?

**AV writes: We've been talking about Mendi on the desk today. He hasn't been seen for months, didn't go to Austria, doesn't train with the squad... we are thinking of putting those little posters up on lamp-posts and in papershops that you get when a kitten goes missing.

Posted by: Mainy  | August 22, 2007 3:17 PM

Nigel wrote...

Boro's web site states a fee has been agreed with Everton for Yak and he has been given permission to talk to them.
Bring on Alves!

Posted by: Nigel  | August 22, 2007 3:20 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Lets hope some of the £11.25 million is spent on a right sided midfield player.

£16m for Bent and £11m for Yakubu, the worlds gone mad.

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 22, 2007 3:38 PM

Never Happy wrote...

If Mendi is sunning himself on the Costa why haven't Boro just paid him off. Surely if he is not training with the squad he must be in breach of contract?

Boro are going to struggle to offload Euell, he will be on PL wages and is Championship standard at best. It will be a case of paying part of his wages if he moves on or loaning him out.

Hopefully GS has learnt a lesson from signing Euell, other teams stiffs are no good to Boro.

C'Mon Boro! -- stuff the Skunks

**AV writes: Mendi has been told to find himself a club but Boro will almost certainly have to pay some of his wages to smooth the way. He's got two years left.

I'm not sure that Euell IS on massive wages.

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 22, 2007 4:01 PM

Mainy wrote...

£11.25million for the 'yak, now all we need is for them other clubs to start a bidding war and sell him to the higest bidder!

'Lets hope some of the £11.25 million is spent on a right sided midfield player.'

I completely agree, we need someone for the rightside, I sold morrisson on my PS2 the other day and the first thing the board did was demand I buy an alternative, how can a stupid computer game see something that the real people cant?

I asked bout Mendieta as although he isnt the greatest, he could come in useful as cover on the right over the season, espicially if we dont sign anyone.

AV, hurry up and get them posters up as if we find him, we have a few days left to sell him. (btw if he's not training then he best not be getting paid!!!)

Go for Routledge on right hand side, we would come pretty cheap. How about a cheaky bid for Gutti with some of the money from the Yak's sale. Alves should do good but id be looking at the form of Kanoute at seville.

Its going to be interesting to see how we do this season as once the Yak goes and if there is any truth in these arca stories then we will hve got rid of our 3 top scorers last season.

Posted by: Mainy  | August 22, 2007 4:08 PM

Samuel wrote...

Ok, so much for my heroic talk on "lets believe in Yakubu and get behind" now that a fee has been agreed with everton haha!! Oh well, i still have faith, lets get a new and exciting face at the Riverside!!!

Posted by: Samuel  | August 22, 2007 4:21 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Poor Uncle Eric, no sooner has his copy been posted on the gazette site than it is anounced a deal has been agreed for Yak with Everton. The perils of modern, instant communication.

I trust the sports desk arent taking the mick though one suspects he has been fed a line at MFC and has been left high and dry by the breaking news.

I will settle for £11m because Yak had many virtues but leading the line wasnt one of them. We may say he scored lots of penalties but most were for pulling him down in the box. Good luck to him.

On to another pet topic of mine. Taylor has a toe injury and shiver my timbers, slap my thigh if it isnt the same toe and injury which was operated on at the end of last season.

Did they operate on the correct toe? Was it a toe or a thumb? Maybe they operated on Huths toe and Taylors ankle and that is why both are still giving problems?

Maybe that is why we havent seen Mendi, he is hobbling around after operations on injuries he didnt know he had.

And Woodie is back in training and will be back soon. Mmmmmmm!

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 22, 2007 4:37 PM

Malc wrote...

11.75 say the BBC. Unbeliveable deal for the Boro. Most bizarre purchase since we gave Rangers 3.45m for Gazza.

As regards Mendi, I heard he was the fittest member of the squad and raring to go but GS told him not to bother. Shame, as he always done okay for us and had a fighters attitude.

So, Alves, a right sider and then the big boys at the back getting fit and it's all gravy. Just hope our patched up defence holds up Sunday as the Skunks have some forwards. What is great are the two things I hate are now as one- the Geordies and Fat Whinging Sam.

Posted by: Malc  | August 22, 2007 4:56 PM

Mick T wrote...

Watch In Style - At A Very Special Price

BORO have come up with a very special offer on hospitality packages for the Carling Cup second round tie against Northampton at the Riverside on Wednesday August 29.

Guests will be treated to a superb three-course meal with vegetarian option and will be given match programmes before watching the game in style from an excellent seat in the West Stand.

And we're offering you the whole package for just £55 per person.

The above can be seen on mfc.co.uk/

Are MFC going to fleec their fans like Chelsea and Newcsatle do? Let's do some sums:

Match ticket £10
Programme £3
3 course meal £42!!!
Who are they trying to con.

Come on SG, Entrance + programme + 3 pints for £15 now that's a VERY SPECIAL OFFER.

Posted by: Mick T  | August 22, 2007 9:30 PM

Very Happy wrote...


Ian Gill

The most devious deals in football are talked about for months.

A certain section of people behind the scenes are well aware of the goings on, but why fire fuel. It’s bad enough watching someone playing for the team you love, who you damn well know has a furniture van on order.

Sports writers in the National press fuel speculation, because that comes with the job criteria and 99.99% of it is complete and utter garbage of printed dreams.

A local paper such as the Gazette may be well aware of such happenings. However,concrete evidence is far better than a silly captions like “ Yakabu to join South Bank Rangers" for instance.

It is oceans deeper than much National rubbish, because the exclusives are all I ask for and more so fully expect, because it's my doorstep.

Even though a member of my family buys a National comic everyday, I very seldom bother to pick the joke up, because I have the Disney Channel on Sky Television.

Wherever I wander I always buy their local paper because that satisfies 100&. However, I will be very disappointed if the Gazette Sports team do not put their personal stamp on the Yak’s suitcases and transfer him over to their distasteful archives’.

So c’mon Mr Tallantire let’s up our flag and lower someone else’s.


Posted by: Very Happy  | August 23, 2007 2:07 PM

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