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Warning Signs In Wigan Woe

Posted by on August 15, 2007 11:02 PM | 

WHEN the Sky fixtures came out and we saw Wigan against Boro had been selected I inserted tongue firmly in cheek and quipped that the only reason they could have seen it as worthy of airtime was that they thought it was the season's first relegation six pointer. How we laughed.

It's not so bloody funny now. Yes, Boro have injuries but the creditable opening day display against a polished Blackburn side in a game that they arguably should have won showed that even with a makeshift defence Southgate's side could play with panache, pace and passion. Against Wigan - a side so poor that they think adding Titus Bramble has strengthened them - a shadow of that team showed very few redeeming features.


They also showed very little fighting spirit and precious little evidence of the new ethos of attacking football played at pace - although there were some worrying signs of an old traits as they failed to pass to red shirts even over the shortest distances, failed to pick up opposition players bombing through the midfield and failed to impose any shape and tempo on the game, instead surrendering the initiative to a team that simply worked harder. It was the failure to deal with that so many times last season that left Boro struggling and we can't afford that again.

There was a relatively bright start in which Boro contained the home side and quietened the crown and Tuncay and Aliadiere combined well down the right and Downing looked lively down the left - but that soon fizzled out. What offensive movement there was as the attacking element looked to pass and move and pick their way down the flanks came to nothing as the sluggish midfield failed to get forward in support leaving little option but to look for a off key Yakubu with all the body language of someone who a has already packed his suitcase.

Gradually Boro conceded control and initiative then having gone behind lacked the strength or guile to find a way back. There was an air of inevitability about the proceedings. There were flashes of hope with Stewy's shot against the post the most vivid but even in the final stages when desperate Boro piled on the pressure it was Wigan that looked sharper, more assured and balanced - and far more likely to score. In truth, they could have two or three more in the final ten minutes and Boro could have no complaints if they had.

It was bitterly disappointing to see the team - and the dugout - seemingly powerless to change the shape of the game and more so that for all the philosophical investment in pace and finesse up front that the team were reduced to putting a lumbering centre-back up front as a target man as their last throw of the dice.

That was especially frustrating because Tuncay, one of Boro's better performers and one with a real ability to conjurer up a matchwinning moment of magic was taken off rather than moved either inside or upfront where he could exert some influence. He may be short of match fitness - he shouldn't be but no doubt that is what we will be told - but he still is a far more potent force up front that Lee Dong Gook or David Wheater.

There are of course mitigating circumstances. The defence has been ravaged by injuries although given the flat display and lack of passion you wonder if the presence of Woodgate or Pogatetz would have made much difference. Some key players have played very little football in pre-season. Southgate is has yet to field anything like a full strength side. The squad is thin in some important areas and there is little on the bench to transform the game - but these are problems that are within the club's power to have solved long before the campaign began. Everyone and his dog know Boro are a right sided player and a striker short. And maybe a central midfielder too. That fact that Jason Koumas was so effective for Wigan stung because he would have been a perfect fit.

But the most immediate glaring pitchside problem is that of Yakubu. The tactical investment in fluid movement demands that the man up front is the most mobile of all and has an exquisite touch and excellent vision to bring the other fast breaking forwards into the game and with the best will in the world that is not the Nigerian's strong suit. Yakubu's strength is running onto a ball played in front of him and is maybe more suited to a more direct approach and he seems increasingly out of synch with the players around him.

I am sure the system could be made to work with Yak but that may take time which is a precious commodity that will ebb away quickly as Boro remain pointless and the transfer window starts to creak closed. The on-going saga over his future must be resolved. If he is to stay then we must bite the bullet and demand he increases his industry and work on his close control and distribution - but if Boro are to cash in their chips they must do it swiftly and must replace him adequately. And Mido isn't his replacement, he slots more is more into the Viduka role as strong on the ball, excellent at holding it up and good in the air. He is the AN Other.

If the problem is not dealt with quickly then the danger is that Southgate will retreat from his policy of attacking football and start to play a more solid and conservative shape and play it longer to the Yak or in the air to Mido. That may well work but it will mean we are back at square one. Let's hope the last laugh is not on Boro.

**You may have noticed that Adam Steel's Wigan v Boro match report appeared live on the blog last night. Gazettelive.com intend to be first with the blow-by-blow accounts this season. They will eventually go on a dedicated page and build up into an easily accessible archive of the campaign but for now the blog is the only place open in cyberspace at that time of night - and besides, it will ensure you lot log straight back on here after the games.

Comments (75)

Ian Gill wrote...

Sadly the same old failings were displayed. It could have been any number of away games from the last five years. I cant remember the exact season but I think we had one where we lost 13 matches 1-0 away from home.

Didnt really get out of the blocks and surrendered the iniative, go a goal down and come to some sort of life but dont get the equaliser which wouldnt deserve anyway.

I need to get my head round the performance before commenting further other than to say dont blame Scissorhands for all of it, he certainly wasnt the worse player on the pitch, Yak desrves the accolade.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 16, 2007 7:29 AM

Malc wrote...

Schwarzer at fault again while Davies was slow to react and at fault too. We should've shipped Davies out and replaced Schwarzer with Jaaskelainen weeks ago. Boy our team's getting on my nerves.

Posted by: Malc  | August 16, 2007 7:51 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

On the face of it we're already facing a season of struggle and it's probably time to make some tough decisions.

The Yak is probably not going to be here in a year's time so better to cash in while he's over valued on the market. LDG isn't going to make the grade and Euel didn't either. The Boat may have a few good games left in him but he's blocking the progress of Cattemole who looks a better prospect for a box-to-box midfielder.

We need to get players in pronto - Lamb seems to be concentrating his efforts on saving a few quid on negotiations rather than sealing deals.

This squad looks pretty thin and what happens if Tuncay gets injured? Our right-side threat disappears completely. But please no more signing of over-priced donkey's at the last minute (whatever happened to the scouting system?)

Finally, what was most worrying was the Gate at the post-match interview looking wide-eyed and out of his depth rolling out the excuse we are a young side - I think our youngsters are probably the most experienced in the premiership. The board needs to back GS in the transfer market or start (continue?) planning for the championship.

Posted by: Werdermouth  | August 16, 2007 8:01 AM

coggins wrote...

Fair and balanced assessment there.

No matter who pulls on the red shirt or whatever 'system' is employed, Boro still manage to produce too many of these insipid, infuriating and bloody awful performances that damage the prospects of the club.

Posted by: coggins  | August 16, 2007 8:44 AM

John Powls wrote...

I have to say that I was apprehensive before last night's game. Despite all the brave words of change I had a similar feeling to what I had before Blackburn - our dismal home record against them and our equally dismal opening game record led to only one conclusion - and yet you hoped it would change. But it didn't.

It was the same last night. So I was hoping for better but apprehensive of the same old, same old....

So, even half prepared for the worst, what I saw still shocked me. You could see in Gate's interview with Sky immediately after the game that he was shocked too.

I agree with all of what you say about the performance AV so I won't repeat it. But, above all you've said, what I found profoundly shocking was how frail and slight we are as individuals and as a team.

And I mean not only physically but in our attitude and motivation.

We went on to the field a beaten side - hardly a surprise that that's how the result turned out against a side that we're going to be vying with in the bottom 4 or 5 all season.

The Boat's performance was the only slight saving grace - he showed that he can anchor our midfield, though his passing is never going to set the world on fire. I don't think he can carry on as Captain, though - he's clearly not getting through to the others as we need our Captain to do.

I don't see how things are going to change that radically in time for Fulham. For the life of me I can't see our management/coaching/fitness team turning that position round in 48 hours.

Did you also pick up - what an irony, though not a surprise - that our head physio is also out injured!!

We may have Luke Young but how long will he last? If Mido signs - and that is likely to be a big 'if', given that he was sitting in the Directors' box last night - he won't have a work permit or be fit.

But the transfer window is still open and even Gibbo and The Count must see that we have to act NOW to have a hope in hell.

The January window will be too late and we know that The Count doesn't like the January window anyway.

I had hoped The Yak would stay and partner with Mido but I saw last night that I was wrong. That was the performance of a man who has already left in his head and heart. We should grant him his wish immediately and for the most money we can get. Then we need to spend.

We need another striker. Simba is a write off, Aliadiere is showing why he has never scored a Prem goal (and not many others) and Tuncay is never going to be that prolific - particularly if we keep playing him out of position, wide on the right.

AV, you said "Everyone and his dog know Boro are a right sided player and a striker short. And maybe a central midfielder too." I don't think there's any maybe about it. And everyone and his dog have been saying that since before the end of last season.

So why haven't we bought what we needed? So why did we sell Mozza without replacing him?

So, Gate, Gibbo & The Count we should take the money from The Yak and get another striker (in addition to Mido) a right side midfielder and a box to box central midfielder NOW.

If we don't the outcome is certain - let me spell it out, it begins with The C and ends with hampionship.

Posted by: John Powls  | August 16, 2007 8:59 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

I have had time to digest the performance, I must admit I needed alka seltzer to settle my stomach.

Vic poses the question 'what do we do with a problem like Yakubu?' We have posted long and hard that he cant lead the line and isnt suited to the job, nor is he the sort of player to fit in with our intended playing style. Even though he is still young I cant see how we are going to change his style and skill levels in the time we have available.

We have Fulham and Toon coming up and need some points. We are not in a relegation battle yet and as I have said before results and points come at the oddest times.

But we do have a problem. If all our players are fit (and Downing and Aliadiere took bad knocks so we may have problems) what can we do?

1. Mido wont be available for some time and has not signed yet nor has he spent any time at Rockcliffe nor is he fit yet.

2. Yak is not going to morph into a line leading striker overnight.

3. Dong Goal Less wont make it

4. We have the defence that is available, forget the injured defenders for the foresable future

5. We have the midfield players that we have, oh for signing Koumas!

Here is a thought

Play Craddock up front (he must be worth a try and certainly he must be able to trap and head a ball better than Yak).

Tuncay alongside Craddock- I would like to see him make space and turning his man in their area not in midfield. Play Aliadiere on the right in a Llundberg role swapping at will with Tuncay.

Finally, can we start on time come Saturday cos John Powls will be at the match and a typical Craven performance is not good for his health and temper.

And that leaves the Yak. Bench him to perk his ideas up? Take the money and run? Keep playing him and put Craddock on the bench? Any other thoughts? Answers on a postcard to AV who will award a suitable prize.

And dont blame Swarzer for all of it.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 16, 2007 9:22 AM

Nigel wrote...

Weak & pathetic are the only words to describe Boro's performance last night. Wigan are a third rate side but they were better than us last night and deserved the three points.

Boro's attack was non existent, Yakubu looked like he wanted to be somewhere else, presumably Goodison Park.

Tuncay and Stewie were the best Boro players on the pitch but why Tuncay was subsituted god only knows. He should have been moved up into the attack.

Aliadiere looks like a player with quality but no confidence and is not the right man to be playing as the second striker.
Boateng played okay defensively but his distribution was terrible, Arca was anonymous.

We looked light weight and completely lacking in self - belief. I'm going up to Boro with my son for the Newcastle match the weekend after next, I look forward to it with trepidation............

Posted by: Nigel  | August 16, 2007 9:26 AM

Nigel wrote...

One other thought, sell Yak now, he is dreadful at leading the line, looks unmotivated, his scoring record last season was not as good as it looked, given several of his goals were penalties. Sell him now before others twig he isn't worth £10m.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 16, 2007 9:37 AM

John B wrote...

Despite the changes to the playing staff the Boro malaise of spineless, don't care football relieved only by mysterious injuries continues season after season.

Maybe we need to look elsewhere for the problems - especially in the structure and management of the club. But does Steve Gibson have the desire to look that deep or just keep Boro as his hobby?

Posted by: John B  | August 16, 2007 9:49 AM

Lee wrote...

I can't understand why GS took off Tuncay, as soon as he did that the game was effectivly over. Tuncay along with Aliadiere was the only way we were going to get back into the game, so to take him off was baffling.

I think Tuncay has shown signs that he will be a real good player but I feel he has to be played up front or just off the front player, he will be wasted out on the right and doesnt look entirely comfortable, I think it is a must we still get a right sided player.

Also, that was the worst performance of a striker I have ever seen, I worry that if he does go we will struggle to get 2 million for him after that performance.

Posted by: Lee  | August 16, 2007 9:57 AM

Big mets..Boro 4 ever wrote...

Oh my god how bad were the Boro last night??

I have to admit that i started this season with a bit of hope. .I don't didn't expect that much i would have been happy with a mid table finish and maybe a run in a cup, that's all, no champions league, title's ect.

But as much as it pains me i really feel as though we are going to be in the relegation mix.

The Gate blames injuries but lets be fair even if Poggy, Huth, Woody were fit that would only mean that riggott and Wheats could move to the bench...Hardly game changing subs.

Lee is never going to be good enough, I would rather have Massimo back (did i really say that? ha!), how about Dickov from city on a free? he's always been a pain in the rear against us.

As for Tuncay i can tell you he is not a right winger.. My mates from Turkey and follows Turkish footie and he says he plays as a forward or just off front two he feels he is wasted on the wing.

Mido?? not to sure on that one....i will reserve judgment for a couple of months, not worth 7m though and what must he have thought watching last night.

common Boro!!.....im off to Fulham on sat...Lets at least have a go!!

Posted by: Big mets..Boro 4 ever  | August 16, 2007 10:17 AM

Chris Gibson wrote...

That was thoroughly depressing!!

The substitutions and tactics really were beyond belief. We were chasing a game with a rookie centre half up front after withdrawing our best player.

I really do hope GS makes it but some desicions are starting to baffle the fans. At least he went for it (in a fashion). The worrying thing is there has been no speculation or rumours. Surely we can't settle for this squad.

Lee Hendrie and James Beattie were quickly disregarded by some, but don't tell me they wouldn't have made a better impact last night. In fact Chris Freestone or Archie Stephens (now) would have shown more.

Posted by: Chris Gibson  | August 16, 2007 10:19 AM

Mark B wrote...

I posted last night trying to be slightly positive but in the cold light of day I just can't feel that way.

Last night was awful and to make things worse I work with a load of Mags and they are just lording it over me and the refrain of its only 2 games is starting to sound hollow even to me.

Wigan were by far the better team as we simply didn't compete. No ideas, no heart, no fight and as AV said they had Titus Bramble in defnece and we couldn't even find a way past him!

Sell Yak now, get the 10 mil for him and use it to buy a right winger. We could possibly use a diamond type formaltion with the players we have, Catt in front of the back four, Downing on the left, a PROPER right winger on the right, Tuncay at the head of the diamond behind a front two of Alliadiere and Mido (if he signs, which as he was watching from the stands last night he must be having second thoughts).

This would slightly alleviate our problem of not having an attacking midfielder (why the hell didn't we go for Koumas!) but we would run into problems when we get the inevitable training injuries as our squad is so thin.

I think that Southgate once again showed why we need an experienced manager, why take Tuncay off about the only player with Downing who showed any sort of threat, and replace him with Johnson while taking of the Yak (good call as he was awful with the delicate first touch of an elephant) and replacing him with LDG? I don't even remember hearing his name mentioned by the commentators once he came on he was that anonymous.

Would have been better to replace Yak with Johnson and move Tuncay up front. Southgate just showed again last night how inexperienced and naive he is.

Things are not looking good!

Posted by: Mark B  | August 16, 2007 10:37 AM

Nigel wrote...

I agree with all those saying Tuncay is wasted on the wing, we definitley need to buy a good right winger, in the meantime we would be better off swapping Aliadiere and Tuncays positions.

Chris Gibson - Archie Stephens would have showed a shed load more commitment than the shower who played last night did.

One final thought GS should print off all these posts and pin them up in the dressing room on Saturday, the players need to know what we think.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 16, 2007 10:44 AM

frankie t wrote...

southgate has got to realise, this is the real thing and these schoolboy tactics are infantile. Im wondering if the south ,coop ,cros, are up to it, afer all 2 rookies and a failure before. David oleary or paul jewel needed

Posted by: frankie t  | August 16, 2007 11:13 AM

Nigel wrote...

Frankie t - If we're thinking of replacing GS with O'Leary then the game really is up.......

Having read the report on Huth I just hope he is insured because his future looks bleak.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 16, 2007 11:21 AM

Rob wrote...

Why the surprise ? The squad is weaker,our striking options the poorest they have been for years, a midfield that constantly gets over run. Problems ? You could say that.

Our lack of quality, our paper thin squad will cost us.The more Gibson retreats and allows his staff to come out with ill timed, ill informed comments does little for confidence in the club as a whole.

A good sort out from top to bottom is required.

Oh and with Viduka gone I believe that one event will be able to be seen as the defining factor for us on a downward spiral journey.

Love to be wrong.

Posted by: Rob  | August 16, 2007 11:44 AM

Nige wrote...

"If the problem is not dealt with quickly then the danger is that Southgate will retreat from his policy of attacking football and start to play a more solid and conservative shape and play it longer to the Yak or in the air to Mido. That may well work but it will mean we are back at square one"

When did this 'attacking football' start AV? We're not in danger of losing our 'attacking football' because we haven't had it!!

The 'in the air' football you fear, is exactly what we got last night and indeed last season!

Southgate should have never been given the job last year! We needed a fresh start after the McClaren era, and you're not going to get that by choosing his first signing and his captain as the next manager!

Posted by: Nige  | August 16, 2007 12:08 PM

chris harrison wrote...

another pathatic performance, schwarzers body language gives the impression he is not interested, even less interested than the yak!!

get the wedge for the yak before it depreciates even more, get a reliable keeper and get rid of the not good enoughs.

already the best i am hoping for this season is survival.

Posted by: chris harrison  | August 16, 2007 12:08 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Titus Bramble could not stop a parked car.

That sums Yakabu up to perfection, because he has no fuel in his heart whatsoever. He is no-more than a wanna-way day dreamer who kids me not.

If Gareth had made the obvious changes at half time it would have prevented Wigan from driving forward at will.
Therefore, he must accept the harshest of criticisms’.

Ricky Hatton would have flattened their defence so sign him on and let’s get ready to rumble.

Our defenders deserve the medals, because they have worked their socks off.

Play Tuncay & Aliadiere up front, and fill in behind appropriately until we can reinforce.

The Huthworth training ground news is wordless.

John Powls

Are Tottenham heading into the Championship after only 2 games, because it is a little BENT into the season to usher such tripe.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 16, 2007 12:09 PM

John Powls wrote...

Poor news about Huth.

I think we need to get a really rigorous assessment from the specialist and if there is prospect of this continuing we should take the insurance option and get another defender.

Part of the root and branch review must be on how we manage fitness, training and injury recovery.

Posted by: John Powls  | August 16, 2007 12:16 PM

JOHN F. TWEDDLE wrote...

Jason Koumas ran Middlesbrough ragged last night.
Middlesbrough sold James Morrison to WBA, who they signed as a replacement for Koumas.

Would it not have been a good idea to swap Morrison for Koumas. In fact it seems obvious. This is another example of the ineptitude of Middlesbrough FC.

Come the end of this season I fear relegation.

Posted by: JOHN F. TWEDDLE  | August 16, 2007 12:20 PM

Petep wrote...

The team shape, selection was a mess last night.

I am afraid Tuncay reminds me of a certain Peter Davenport, he is not up to Premier league standard, he is too light weight and this is not compensated by pace.

I can also see why Arsenal got rid of Alidiere, he is not going to score, perhaps he sould play at right back?

Last night Arca should have been moved to left back at half time, and Lee C moved into midfield, to stop the waves of Wigan attacks. Johnson should have been brought on the right wing and Tuncay taken off. People are deluding themselves if they thought he looked any good, cant cross, cant shoot, cant beat people.

GS does not have the tactical or motivational ability we need. It was a massive error not to get Martin O'neill when we had the chance. I would settle for a new manager, negative football and avoiding relegation at the moment.

Posted by: Petep  | August 16, 2007 12:24 PM

adam steel wrote...

If Everyone and their dog can see we need a right winger then why did your mate Eric write a piece two weeks ago saying our right wing problems were solved?

And you've also forgotten to mention arguably our most ineffective player. Step forward Julio Arca; doesn't tackle, doesn't score, doesn't cross, doesn't take anyone on, doesn't get forward, BUT he does produce some nice sideways passes!

The modern day answer to Ray Wilkins, except Ray had the bottle to turn up at away games.

Posted by: adam steel  | August 16, 2007 12:41 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" southgate has got to realise, this is the real thing and these schoolboy tactics are infantile. "

Gibson needs to realise that he made a big, big mistake here and that he should have put Southgate as a number two to someone who's got the pedigree to do the job properly and take the club forwards.

" Im wondering if the south ,coop ,cros, are up to it, afer all 2 rookies and a failure before. David oleary or paul jewel needed "

I've been banging on about this for years.

I don't care if the manager is a Brit or from abroad, all that matters is that we get someone who has been there and done it and that has the CV to back it all up, and stop employing people just because they were great players or ex boro legends.

We then need Gibson to wake up from his acceptance that mearly being in the Premiership for so long is cause for celebration, re ignite his obvious passion for all things Boro, take the club to the next level and to give the new manager the power to sack who he wants and to bring in who he wants, just as O' Neil wanted to do, but Gibson opted for continuity.

That means that Gibson has to give the new manager the power to boot out all of his old pals from behind the scenes whoever they may be.

It's incredible that after just three games we are talking about a must win game at Fulham.

I'd throw Mido on regardless of his fitness as he's better half fit and on the pitch that anyone else we've got and he might just be the spark we need to get the season up and running before we really do start to panic.

Come on Steve we all love you baby and are willing to forgive anything you've done wrong because you are the best in the business. You are the King Of Teesside.

But Steve it's time to wake up and smell the coffee mate. You've been in a bit of a lul recently and so now it's time you were back to your old self. You made a mistake and now it's time to hold your hands up and put it right.

The squad is full of injuries and we can all see that. But why does this always seem to be the case year after year ?

It's plain to see that Southgate and Coops are out of their deapths and you promoted them too fast and too soon.

They may well one day become as great at managing as they were players for the club, but until then we need them learning the ropes from others who can show them the way.

It isn't a shout for " GET THEM OUT ", but it's a plea to put them on the back burner for a while whilst they learn their trade from an experienced, PROVEN winner.

They are true Boro legends and so need to be treated with the respect they've rightly earned, but that doesn't mean continuing with them just on that basis.

If Man City can attract the likes of Sven then I don't see why we can't do the same given the fact that we have what is widely regarded as the best chairman anywhere ( regardless of my own personal views ) and what is widely regarded as a top notch youth academy.

Our training facilities are up there with the best of them but what is lacking are the high calibre people to run them.
TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | August 16, 2007 12:59 PM

mark wrote...

Terrible. No heart, no passion, no good. Getrid of the yak. there must be other strikers around - spend the money on Gudjohnsen for all I care.

Bad choice of sponsor cos even with sat nav we can't find each other, way round the pitch or even the rough direction to goal.

Long season ahead with the prospect of relegation looming larger everday. Why oh why did GS take Tuncay off even my cat knows that the thing to do was put stewie on the right, AJ on left and play the turk up front - at least he looked bovvered.

Posted by: mark  | August 16, 2007 1:01 PM

PJE wrote...

Although the result is a concern what worries me is analysis of the game stats. Now statistics can prove anything eg: Lamb's we are 5th most succesful team in the country over the last 5 years mantra, but they can also effectively illustrate our shortcomings.

Last night possession was heavily in Wigan's favour
Shots were heavily in Wigan's favour
Shots on target heavily in Wigan's favour

Our tactics (and this is by no means a surprise) is simply for Schwarzer to hoof the ball forward and what happens is we lose about 75% of the the 50-50 challenges that follow and immediately put ourselves back under pressure.

We completely bypass build up play from the back. We also have an alarming inability to keep possession and perform simple passess from one red shirt to another when going forward.

We give the opposition too much time on the ball yet when we have it they have guys snapping at our heels, applying pressure and ultimatley regainign the ball because we panic.

We are NOT creating enough chances against supposedly lesser teams like Wigan Athlectic !!!!!!

Wigan won't have an easier game at home all season.

Leaving the Tevez debate aside - if we are in West Ham's position come April / May 08 can you see us winning 7 of our last 9 games to keep us up ? Not a chance we can't even win 3 on the bounce when things are going "well".

I'm afraid the relegation battle begins Saturday ............

Posted by: PJE  | August 16, 2007 1:02 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Very Happy

Agree about Yak, may as well take what we can whilst someone will offer it.

On the subject of Tottenham I have faith in them pulling themselves round quicker than we will. I dont think it is all done and dusted for us after only two matches - as I posted earlier points can come when you least expect them. Simple fact is we are buying their fifth choice striker to play as our main man.

If nothing changes then we will be in a pickle, we still havent addressed the key issues and the window will close soon. When it does we will have played 10% of our matches, if we have zero points then it will be a long struggle.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 16, 2007 1:11 PM

John Powls wrote...

Very Happy

If you can't see the difference between our situation and Spurs then, well, words fail me.

Their start is a blip between finishing just off a Champs League spot last season with a handy UEFA run and what I could predict will be a similar finish this season.

The reaction of their Chairman and Chief Exec to their start has been to haul Jol in - despite his success last season - and tell him that he either fixes it pronto or they'll get someone who will.

My money is on them to win their next game and on us to lose ours.

I say that with no joy whatsoever - especially as living and working where I do I tend to suffer from a surfeit of Spurs fans, Gooners, Chelski-ites and 'Appy 'Ammers. Fulham fans are harder to find.

It may have escaped your attention but I'm not the only one who sees the prospect of another season flirting with relegation as a real prospect - and I don't just mean on this blog either.

I also gave my view that that fate wasn't inevitable - we should do what AV described as 'everyone (except you) and his dog' knows we should.

If we don't then we should expect more of what we saw last night.

Posted by: John Powls  | August 16, 2007 1:11 PM

ian wrote...

Only two games into the season and im already worried, last nights display was typical boro! it does.nt matter who pulls on the red shirt time and time again the boro faithful are subjected to inept displays.

We were playing a very average wigan side but a least they had fight in them, if we had been up against a man u or a chelsea last night we would of been cut to ribbons.

What has happened to the attacking football with pace we were promised? Fulham and newcastle coming up, and the possability of being rock bottom of the league, a long hard season in prospect? i think yes!

Posted by: ian  | August 16, 2007 1:19 PM

deka wrote...

Went to wigan last night full of optimism - misplaced obviously - and I was talking to a few Wigan fans before the game and they are convinced they will be relegated so what does that say about us?

Reminded me of when Robbo was here and he couldnt see the wood for the trees. There was no leadership on or off the field, George has ran his last race, the Premiership is too much for him these days, but I dont think Gareth will drop him or take the captaincy away from him.

We need at least two midfielders and a striker before the end of the window. Sell Yak,he was anonymous last night. Pllay tuncay behind a front pairing.

Act now gareth et al the knives are out....and waiting.

Posted by: deka  | August 16, 2007 1:33 PM

ronald serge wrote...

Huth was a waste of some 6 million pounds. Chelsea made the best bargain ever last season.

Posted by: ronald serge  | August 16, 2007 1:50 PM

Mitch in the USA wrote...

All of these valid comments, that are written by the real custodians of Middlesbrough Football Club, should be read out loud to the players and staff during training or before a game. Also the Count and Steve Gibson need to hear them.

Maybe then, the players might show some fight and ambition, and upper management would take notice of who/where we need palyers to make this a team that wins games, not just go out with a whimper.

Same old, same old. And VERY FRUSTRATING.

Can we not play Aliadiere on the right, and Tuncay off the front man? We are after all in desperate need of goals!!!

Posted by: Mitch in the USA  | August 16, 2007 1:53 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

One thing we shouldnt do on Saturday is play a half fit Mido because that could easily knock him up. We tried it with Young and look at what happened.

The question is whether it is even more dangerous leaving him to the tender care of our injured physio and his cronies.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 16, 2007 2:10 PM

John York wrote...

Spectacular signings, attacking football, taking club to new level, don't make me laugh.

Speaking to my two sons at halftime we all predicited 1-0 to Wigan, and after 57 mins we were right, turned the tv over and turned back with 2 minutes remaining.

Same old same old year in year out, 10 seasons in PL and only 49 away wins!!!!!! Get rid off MS in goal before he costs us more points, take the alledged 10 mill. for yak (who will pay that now after last nights performance)

And take Taylor back to school or for a colour blind eye test (playing in red, throw ins to a red shirt) Blackburn game - 9 second half throw ins 9 to a blue shirt). Last night 80% of our throw ins went to a blue shirts, even schoolboys can achieve this.

I renewed with 3 seasons tickets at the last minute, i wish i hadn't i feel conned. This team has relegation writen all it.

Posted by: John York  | August 16, 2007 2:23 PM

Very Happy wrote...

JOHN POWLS

Nothing escapes my attention, but to talk about the Championship two games into a season is most definitely… one out of the nursery school.

You even posted about the Yak partnering Mido. He could not partner anyone, because he gave up on our club last season and wants out.

The odds that Yakabu and Silkman have spoken since last night’s game stand in my book at 1/1000 on.

If you play Chess with your Queen missing, then you lose. If you play a match with your King missing then you lose, before the whistle blows.

Regardless of the result, I watched ten players sweating and one looking like a Bernard Matthews turkey.

Finally, words may fail you John Powls but that’s no penalty, it’s just a way of diving away from understanding the rules of reality.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 16, 2007 2:26 PM

Mainy wrote...

Firstly, will you let get off Yakubu's back, his first touch was brilliant last night, it's just a shame his second touch was always a slide tackle to try and win the ball back.

22 minutes. Yep thats right, thats how long it took for LDG to have a touch last night. Waste of space, get Craddock in rather than him.

Huth is not a boro player, i wish the club would just admit that he was a loan signing last season and that explains his continued absence (god i wish that was true). I can here the chants from the gordies now towards huth... Are you Marcalino in disguise.

We were rubbish last night, we were out ran, out played and out battled. Where is the fitness GS?

for the Fulham game we need to make some serious changes, my team would be this:

Jones
Hines Riggott Wheater Taylor
Catermole Boateng Arca
Tuncay Downing
Alidiere

subs: Yak, Schwarzer, Davies, Johnson, Craddock.

This is the old xmas tree formation (tuncay downing alidiere formally higgnet (legend)barmby & fjortoft) it gives downing and tuncay free roles and if needs be either 1 can drop into midfield to help out.

Schwarzer is pants, get him out before he costs us anymore games, Davies has played centre back most of summer, season starts and he's back at right back where he looks lost at times. Yak dropped until he gets his ass in gear and shows he wants to play for the club. Catermole in to bring some much needed fight into the midfield.

One thing that annoyed me last nite was when johnson came on he switchd him and downing about every 5 minutes it was stupid.

Posted by: Mainy  | August 16, 2007 2:28 PM

tonyblack wrote...

"One thing we shouldnt do on Saturday is play a half fit Mido because that could easily knock him up. We tried it with Young and look at what happened.

The question is whether it is even more dangerous leaving him to the tender care of our injured physio and his cronies. "

I fully understand what you're saying.

By half fit I do mean fit and not half injured. If all he has to do is lower his work rate and ease himslf into the game in order to be able to play without getting injured and wait around for a few shots on goal then I personally would still play him and think that he's a better bet than what we've got on the bench.

Let's face it, this is what Vidukas done throughout his career and I think that Mido is fit enough to cope for at least some of the game without injuring himself.

He hasn't played but surely he's been training hard and at least done a few games in training ? Not the same I know but how hard can it be ?

No one else looks like scoring other than Downing who I hope can keep it up throughout the season as it looks like we will need his goals dearly, although Weater is doing admirably too.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | August 16, 2007 2:29 PM

davidt wrote...

Its more or less all been said,although I hope it was a wind up Frankie t, when you mentioned O'Leary; and Petep, surely Tuncay looked to have some genuine class.

Yak was awful and has been since christmas, but his record over the years proves he can do it, but only if teams play to his strengths,which certainly are not trapping
or heading,(cant remember a forward so bad in the air).

Right sided and centre midfield has been a problem for ages as eveyone knows and GS has had ample time to put this right, so no excuses please.

However any club which lost Woodgate, Pogo,Young and Bates (underrated at centre back) would struggle and both games so far have proved for me that Davis and now Riggott are not up to premiership standard.. how often are they caught flatfooted and static?

There is however every reason to be optimistic about David Wheater(called up into the under 21's).

Whats most annoying to me is the continuing rubbish that comes out of the club, managenment and players about how well the team should do this year(and last year etc)

Fact is we aint good enough or at least dont have enough players good enough at present to take the club upwards. God I feel so ruddy miserable and my wifes a geordie. Cmon Boro...

Posted by: davidt  | August 16, 2007 2:36 PM

James wrote...

Any team that plays with Lee and Wheater up front at any point for any reason is in serious serious trouble.

Lee should never be on the pitch again unless we have every alternative out injured. Southgates tactic of subbing all our strikers was baffling, ok yak was awful but he's still better than Lee or Wheater (up front).

As for subbing Tuncay that shows Bryan Robson levels of tactical nous, I do not know any fan who wouldn't have switched him up front when Yak went off and put Johnson on the wing, pathetic, stupid.

Posted by: James  | August 16, 2007 2:45 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

The moood in the loos at the JJB at the end of the game last night was not pretty. To a man (can't speak for what went on in the Ladies') fans felt cheated and the word most used was relegation.

Too early to say that, you may say, but this was Wigan that had just walked all over us and given us a real lesson in how to play Premiership football.

You can bet your life that the Mackems will scrap for every ball, as will Derby, Birmingham, Fulham, Reading, Bolton and all the other sides mooted for the big drop. When will we learn to scrap for our lives?

The most worrying thing was that GS seemed unable to change it. Whatever he said at half-time (with Wigan unlucky by then not to be at least 2 up), it made no difference. In fact, it got worse.

Whatever the new philosophy, I would have brought Lee Catt on then to strengthen the midfield, and Yak could have spent the second half planning his move to Everton or wherever. As so many have pointed out, Tuncay could have been so much more effective up front with Aliadiere.

The only consolation is we can't possibly play that badly again. Can we?

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | August 16, 2007 2:47 PM

Nigel wrote...

Blaming Schwarzer for last nights goal is plain daft, he was at full stretch to make the save and managed to get his hand on the ball but the momentum of the two players coming in meant the ball was pushed over the line.

It wasn't Schwarzers fault we lost, it was the outfield players in front of him who didn't pitch up.

Those criticising Schwarzer have an agenda because he hasn't agreed a new contract. The bloke has played ten seasons for us which is unheard of these days, he has been a decent keeper and whether or not he signs a new contract he should be respected for what he has achieved with us.

He is still a decent keeper, our weak area lie in midfield and attack not in goal.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 16, 2007 2:52 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

TB

Fair shout but isnt there also the issue of his work permit, I am sure I read somewhere that he doesnt qualify and we will have to appeal.

Come to think of it I havent heard of a press conference yet and him being presented to the press. Hopefully everything is signed and sealed.

There again MFC website has Yak playing for two matches totalling 155 minutes, that is spin beyond anything that Blair and Campbell managed.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 16, 2007 3:00 PM

alf wrote...

Has Mido signed yet? I remember birmingham having issues with clauses in his contract..wonder if we are having the same problem, and trying to get them removed or changed?

Posted by: alf  | August 16, 2007 3:51 PM

John Powls wrote...

Very Happy

There used to be someone called Briggsy........

No, surely not.

Posted by: John Powls  | August 16, 2007 4:42 PM

Mainy wrote...

Nigel, I couldnt care less if Schwarzer has or hasnt signed a new contract. The fact is that yeah well done for 8 years of comittment to the club (would be 10 but dont forget he requested a transfer 2 years ago so not really that loyal is he).

Anyway my point is he thinks he is better than he actually is. When he put his request in, noone came in for him.

He concedes to many soft goals, his punching is weak (and most of them go straight down with no distance staying in the box and usually straight to the opposition), his kicks are aimed at noone however he must sell some dummies as he is always looking at the forwards when kicking it out (usually for a throw in), he seems to kick with the outside of his foot - always dangerous, last night he refused to use his left foot and almost got caught a few times with it.

He is very suspect on free kicks, the back four dont seem to be confident in him (must be due to the non shouting that he does). He doesnt command his box and for me he is not a keeper I would keep at end of season,. In fact id sell him now and get Sorrenson or Casper Schmichel in as a replacement.

Alf, Mido has apparently signed before the wigan game, his clauses will be to do with relegation and if a bigger team comes in with a certain amount then he is allowed to speak to them. Basically the usual clauses.

Posted by: Mainy  | August 16, 2007 4:43 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

An honest overview is that Schwarzer is not as bad as some of the stick he is getting currently. There is a bit of bad feeling about him dissing the club when he was out East which doesn’t help his cause at the minute. Tact or diplomacy has never been his strong point.

Davies is not a RB and was at fault for standing off Derbyshire at the weekend and the wrong side of Sibierski last night, he is doing his best but is exposed without the influence of Woodie and Pog in the middle.

Riggot has been out for most of last season and everyone seems to forget how he was a class act alongside Southgate. He needs a few games to get his timing and reading back to Prem levels.

Wheater looks to be making a good shout to become a regular fixture and is similar to Mogga in his no nonsense style.

Taylor is comfortable at LB and is doing OK, his throw ins have been astray lately because there is absolutely no movement or runs from his colleagues just watch them stand motionless.

Tuncay is playing out of position wide right (how many times have we heard that!) but looks to have both the skill and ability and appetite.

George is charging everywhere but setting up very little and at times his lack of composure is actually detrimental, captaincy does not sit easy with him and he looks to be struggling at this level now which is saddening.

Arca is a bit of class in the middle but with a Rookie defence behind and careless George alongside it leaves him with few options.

Stewy is our one ray of light and can be excused all the criticism in the last 2 games, he at least is “up for it”.

Aliadiere has pace but poor finishing and would be better off wide right swapping positions with Tuncay, at least has ran his heart out but with little end product yet.

The Yak was storming at Pompey and their fans were adamant that they wouldn’t sell when Steve Mac 1st enquired yet just one season later they couldn’t wait to get rid when Mac came back…..obviously there is a pattern emerging here!

LDG has not had a fair run in the side but unfortunately doesn’t look like he warrants it either, cannot be worse than the Yak who clearly needs some psychological help to get him sorted. The time is right to give youth a chance at Fulham……..stand up young Craddock!

Posted by: Redcar Red  | August 16, 2007 5:11 PM

borolad32 wrote...

We have waited for the last two seasons for a right winger/midfielder, and for the life of me i cannot comprehend why this has not been adressed.

Lets get one thing straight, Tuncay is not a right winger, and has only occasionaly played there previously.

Having watched the game last night, it is plain to see he is more suited to a central role, either just behind yakubu, and in front of midfield, or as a second striker. His strike rate to date tells you that FACT. He is completely wasted out on the right wing.

What do we have to do to get a right winger, beg, is that what is needed, or 'demand' that this area of the pitch is addressed. Here goes, i will spell it out for Mr Southgate, Mr Lamb, and Mr Gibson.

WE NEED A RIGHT WINGER

WE NEED A RIGHT WINGER

WE NEED A RIGHT WINGER

If we purchase a right winger, it means in away games, you can play Tuncay tucked in behind Yakubu, which will offer some protection to, lets face it, one of the worst midfields in the premier league, in my opinion.

But not only do we get some benefit from playing Tuncay in a more natural role, but it also leaves gareth with options on the bench. i.e. Bring on Aladiere to replace Yakubu, or vice versa, then there is mido in the mix.

A natural right winger will add balance to the side and may allow the right back to push up the pitch and support him.

Simply put, if we add a right winger it will allow a number of combinations and options for gareth, which as we can see at the moment, he simply does not have. So once again, Gareth if you are reading this, can we have a natural right winger please.

Much of boro Fans frustrations centre around the clubs inability to spot this fundamental weakness with the side. If thousands of fans can see this weakness, then it begs the question, why is the club doing nothing to address it.

Posted by: borolad32  | August 16, 2007 5:34 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Good that Mido has now signed

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 16, 2007 7:10 PM

Shaun wrote...

I know a journalist who works for Sky and he said they put the bad teams on in the early part of the season to give them a bit of coverage then when it comes to the crunch, nobody can complain when Sky hammer the big four or teams scrapping for survival.

I think the term he used was 'nothing games.'

Wigan 1-0 Middlesbrough: After last nights viewing, I think 'nothing game' just about sums it up.

AV, I can't agree more with your assessment of the Yak. He looks like he's ready for the off which causes yet further issues for the penny counters at the Riverside.

Posted by: Shaun  | August 16, 2007 8:49 PM

Mainy wrote...

If Yak goes we have less than 2 weeks to find a replacement, its taken all summer to get Mido in for Viduka, please do not sell the Yak until his replacement is already at the club. (Luke Moore or Peter Crouch).

We need a right winger. please someone get in touch with boro to point this out! Only one i can think of is again Wayne Routledge, he is young, tricky, pacey and a half decent player. Even Danny Murphy would be a good signing out on the right (thing is wit Murphy he can play as an attacking midfielder inside aswell). I was well impresed with that Valencia who played for wigan last night, maybe a cheeky bid for him would be worth a try.

Id just like to say that although we are struggling at the moment, well done to Wheater, Taylor & Johnson on their call ups to the under 21 squad, Cattermole if you want to be back in there with them son, you need to put yourself about more in training and show Mclaren,Sorry Southgate (bad tatics, no clue what to do, you can see how I got confused there) what you can do.

Come on, the way Boateng is playing if you can get the 'big name' syndrome out of Southgates head then you are in with a shout, in fact take craddock with you and kick Gs's door in demanding to know why neither of you are in the side.

Northampton at home in Carling Cup, our best chance of a trophy and we need to buck our ideas up if we want to win this game, at the moment, as a boro fan, I am viewing them as the favourites as they will already be smelling a so called giant killing. No replays this year in any cups please gareth, lets just get it done with on the night, thanks.

Final point is about Beckham, well done on your goal fella, and that tackle you got booked for, who was it on again, o thats right the origanal 3 time boro player b4 juno, thats Right the Bolivian super star that is and always will be ...... Jamie Moreno. Didnt even know he was still playing for dc united, he must be pushing 40 now, am sure he was in his mid to late 20's when robson signed him.

Posted by: Mainy  | August 16, 2007 11:19 PM

allycat wrote...

Titus Bramble stopped our forward line. Men against boys. We looked completely out of our depth against the mighty Wigan! Titus Bramble had our forward line in his pocket.

The time to panic is here, as is the time for rash decisions. If we are going to go down lets go down fighting and provide some entertainment.

1/ This is harsh and a kneejerk reaction but, sack Southgate and the entire backroom staff and start with a completely new broom.

We are still playing the same way and making the same mistakes that have happened for several seasons now. Any player that comes in quickly picks up the boro habit of not being able to pass, move, be creative or have any kind of motivation. I would suggest that this is due to the coaching they are getting, as most of the players did not have that reputation at previous clubs.

2/ Sell Yakubu now, as he can only play running on to the ball. We can get good cash for him now.

3/ For the attention of the Evening Gazette and any other media, please do not let our manager (whether it be the gate or whoever) claim not to be worried about a relegation battle.

If this phrase is uttered, then question the manager as to why and do not allow spin to be the response. It is clear the fans are worried about this, and i daresay Mr Gibson has it in the back of his mind also.

We are not going anywhere this season, we will probably escape relagation in mid April, simply cos there are 3 teams worse than us.

We should be a good team, but its always going to be the same, inane, lame, tame, shameful performances whilst we have a coaching staff that are out of their depth.

Posted by: allycat  | August 17, 2007 12:16 AM

john alashqar wrote...

I hope mido can play on Saturday. I am sure he will do somthing for us he is a very good player I know him personally .. he told me he will score many goals for our time .. he just needs to play .

Posted by: john alashqar  | August 17, 2007 7:56 AM

John Powls wrote...

Mido is good news.

Sell The Yak NOW (and let Rocky have his wish to go back to Portugal) and use the money/wage headroom to get another striker (rumours about the other Egyptian - Moatab?? - have re-surfaced), a right winger and a box to box midfielder.

These are musts.

With them we stand some sort of chance of a reasonable season. Without..........

Posted by: John Powls  | August 17, 2007 8:15 AM

hussain alashqar wrote...

I am a Jordanian fan. I like Mido so much , wherever he goes I like to see him playing and I will be a big fan of Boro team now. I hope they will do well

We played two match only so far we still have many to go. We dont have to lose hope, look to Man United they are the champions last year and thay have 2 points only so its not the end. Finally I want to thank Antony to give me the chance to say my opinion and be a part of his report .

Posted by: hussain alashqar  | August 17, 2007 8:22 AM

Mark B wrote...

I see on the BBC website that we are linked with Moateb, don't know much about him to be honest.

But what is winding me up about the article is the way that News Corp seem to be angling for a Yak transfer by continually linking him with every club under the sun contrary to any evidence of written bids and saying that he is unsettled despite every denial from the club, players and Yak himself, what is their problem? Surely the club can do something about it as it is tantamount to tapping up?

Also on the BBC it says that Rocky is off to Benfica and that Everton are looking to bid 11 mil for Yak. If this is true the club should snap their hands off for it because after Wednesday its clear his head isn't in the game.

We should then use the money to get a right winger and an attacking midfielder, something we have needed since Geremi and Zenden went!

**AV writes: Look, now you are doing it, selling Yak without any evidence that he wants to leave.

Posted by: Mark B  | August 17, 2007 9:05 AM

Nigel wrote...

Mainy, replace Schwarzer with Casper Schmichel, why? Because his dad was a great keeper? On that basis maybe we should get Wilf Mannions grandson on the right wing.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 17, 2007 9:06 AM

Mainy wrote...

Mido should do well for us providing he gets the service, Yak needs to run onto the ball, play it to Mido to play it through to Yak, hopefully Yak will miscontrol it past the keeper and score (at the moment he is the only bloke I know who can control a ball further than he can kick it).

Only thing that worries me is Southgate has already given his tactics away for how to use Mido. He has said Mido is a great header of the ball & with a world class winger like Stewart Downing providing the crosses for him we will be dangerous.

Surely all the opposition need to do is mark downing out of the game and dont let him cross, therefore this will effectively stop our provider providing therefore taking Mido out of his danger area meaning he will need to come looking for the ball.

I dont agree with the comments about replacing GS just yet, he has been naive in the transfer market this summer by putting all his eggs into just one basket at a time, firstly waiting for Viduka then waiting for Smith to make their decisions.

Give him at least 10games to sort it as usually after 10 games you have a good idea of where you are going to finish in the table and if we are still in the bottom 3 or 4 then i think some sort of action needs to be taken.

Maybe not GS but maybe even getting rid of Lamb would lift the gloom, I know for a fact most supporters will see this as a positive move on the clubs behalf.

Posted by: Mainy  | August 17, 2007 9:52 AM

Mark B wrote...

AV

I only said if it is true, as many have pointed out Yaks head doesn't seem to be right and IF Everton come in with a bid of £11m we should take it.

The club accepting a bid for him has nothing to do with if he wants away or not, it is pure business and we could use the money to get what we need. I'm sure that all the media speculation over the last few months has finally had the desired effect to unsettle him.

Watching Yak on wednesday I was reminded of a quote about Carlton Palmer which said "He covers every blade of grass on the pitch, but only because his first touch is so bad!"

Posted by: Mark B  | August 17, 2007 10:30 AM

Mainy wrote...

'Mainy, replace Schwarzer with Casper Schmichel, why? Because his dad was a great keeper? On that basis maybe we should get Wilf Mannions grandson on the right wing.'

Nigel, who the hell mentioned his dad, I am going by what I have seen of the player and from what I've heard about his form for Falkirk last season.

He is a good Keeper and defo a prospect for the future. I would rather have him in my squad than Brad Jones. Maybe he isnt ready to replace Schwarzer just yet but I dont think Schwarzer has long left at the club.

As I said previously GS is under the big name syndrome & fears dropping his so called star players for kids that will do a better job, hence it's guarenteed that Yak will still start and that LDG will still have a better chance over Craddock of making the bench against Fulham.

Final point, Wilf Mannions grandson is a left winger, not right. We have enough cover there!

Posted by: Mainy  | August 17, 2007 11:47 AM

Very Happy wrote...

John Powls

I am lost in the name you mentioned but read on, because my pre-season contributions on AV’s boards need to be re-echoed.

Boetang needs a new club and we need youth in his position. GS, is still playing his silly loyalty game and disregarding the McCoy.

We have youth who can win the same tackles, then move forward with the ball.. to support our front players.

If midfield players lack that simplicity in their armour then NO team has a future.

I have not mentioned our front players, because until normal service is resumed as soon as possible, no-one can honestly judge our new boys.

However, I see you have now swung towards getting shot of the YAK overnight, which has been my main shout since day one.

My idea of success, means saying goodbye to everything that blocks 3 points. It is a winning formula and if you go against its grain, only one name pays the price, but at least they learn the non-existent rules of loyalty, if a next time happens to come calling.

**AV writes: Significantly, Yakubu has been left out of tomorrow's squad for Fulham.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 17, 2007 12:34 PM

alf wrote...

Again the club have lied to the fans. Only a few days ago Keith lamb and Southgate said the Yak is happy and staying and will not be sold.

But as soon as we get a striker in he i going to get sold.

Really his cards were marked once we were after Alan Smith. I reckon the Yak has known all summer he will be getting sold and so wants it sorting out but Boro wont sell him until theyhave his replacement in

**AV writes: Your final assessment is about right. It always seemed certain that Yak would leave as soon as his replacement(s) were brought in.

The first part is wrong. The club never lied to you. The language and pyschology of transfer sagas is complex and precise and you must look at the actual words.

Boro have said throughout things like "we want to keep him.... BUT ... every player has his price.... if we get offered silly money" etc.

Likewise the talk about having had a bid. That is probably true too. They may however have had informal soundings and inquiries, if not directly from other managers or clubs tor from agents. That's how it works. Plausible deniability.

No player ever says he wants to leave because a) they will miss out on their loyalty bonuses and b) if the deal falls through they stand to get roasted by the fans.

Likewise no club says they want to sell a player because a) it means the price goes down as teams know they want rid and b) if the deal fall though t makes it difficult to motivate the player while he is still there.

Posted by: alf  | August 17, 2007 1:27 PM

Si wrote...

Yes, Vic, I've heard the news about the Yak.

I would think that the Gate has told him, "If you're going to lumber around like a second-rate Michael Ricketts then you may as well not be here." Or something.

Only yesterday I stuck up a poll on my own blog - "Should he stay or should he go?" I'm not sure anybody in their right mind is thinking "Stay" at present.

Sad state of affairs. Especially now we're reliant on Euell to play the Yak's role. And what's this about Rocky wanting to go to Benfica because he's not getting first-team football? Have the press forgotten he's suspended?

No, I don't think they have. They just see a crisis at the Boro - and, like they always do, they're milking it for all it's worth. One day they'll learn to leave us alone.

Posted by: Si  | August 17, 2007 1:30 PM

alf wrote...

Good point there AV,

You will know better than most on here that continued national media speculation about a player can be caused by a players agent behind the scenes talking to people unofficially.

Posted by: alf  | August 17, 2007 1:39 PM

Nigel wrote...

So at last the Yak is away, out of the squad and hopefully we'll get £11m for him which is a good return and good business.

Two Egyptian 'trialists' at rockcliffe I read, one a striker one a 'defensive' midfield player. Still no sign of a right winger.

GS has got to get Tuncay off the wing and playing as a striker alongside Mido. Aliadiere looks a quality player but not a goal scorer, he has to be the best man we have for the wing but yet another compromise in that position I think.

Mainy, I agree that Schwarzers days at the club are numbered but my guess is he will see out the last year of his contract and leave on a free which may well suit both club and player.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 17, 2007 1:58 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

On Wednesday you could see the similarities between Yak and Mido. Little movement or contribution to to the team effort. The difference - one was in the directors box, the other on the pitch.

Had a two hour meeting with a Baggies fan this morning. We struggled to come up with a reason why we didnt try Morrison plus cash for Koumas.

But as we have discussed already we dont know what is going on in the background. Nor do we know what Koumas wanted, I think he comes from the area around North Wales/Lancashire so that may be a factor.

And Wilf Mannion played inside left, I know because my Dad told me often enough.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 17, 2007 2:04 PM

John Powls wrote...

Very Happy

As I said in an earlier post I did change my mind about The Yak to your position - what convinced me was what I saw at Wigan.

As I said above he played like a man whose head and heart were somewhere else. Once it's like that it's best for both parties to move on quickly - which is, I guess, what's happening since we won't be seeing The Yak at Fulham tomorrow.

If Moatab is the other striker coming in and the other Egyptian is for central midfield (though I think we needed a box to boxer rather than another defensive midfielder) then the pressing need is for a top quality right winger.

The money we get for The Yak - even if the amounts touted in the press are, as usual, a little exagerated - should allow us to get someone really good.

That will allow Tuncay to move inside and play in his best position, behind a front 2.

With those signings I might change my monicker to 'Slightly More Happy' because I think we might have a chance of a better season.

If not - and The Count decides we can't use the money for a right winger........

Posted by: John Powls  | August 17, 2007 2:17 PM

Nigel wrote...

I saw the Boro at Fulham last season and there are similarities between then and now. We had a make shift defence that day, played okay and lost 2-1.

Hopefully tomorrow will be a make shift defence, got stuck in and sneak a win.......

I desperatley hope we see a front two of Tuncay and Mido to start the game. No point bringing Mido on when there is 35mins left and we are one down.

Posted by: Nigel  | August 17, 2007 2:35 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Anthony

I didn't know the Yak had been omitted from the squad.

It would be wonderful to see Tuncay and Aliadiere playing up front with a spruced midfield at hand. Perhaps then we might at least draw, because that vital one point would kick start the season and then bring on Mido and let’s see!

Please GS

Get shot of Kid Curry whilst you can, because the Conference need his quality.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 17, 2007 3:06 PM

Nigel wrote...

The BBC on Radio 5 are claiming that the Yak has submitted a transfer request, if that is so its smart business on Boro's part - .no loyalty bonus payout
and by delaying the sale until this stage of the transfer window it means we should get the best price poss.

Now lets see what we do with the cash.......Is there a 'spectacular' signing on the way?!

Posted by: Nigel  | August 17, 2007 3:14 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

At last, something to make you smile. Just checked Boro team news on BBC website to read

'If he plays.....Robert Huth will be participating on his 23rd birthday'

Thats more candles than appearances!

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 17, 2007 4:23 PM

Very Happy wrote...

We will get ten million for the Yak at least, cos it falls in line with today's market.

But the club must be prepared to spend equally as heavy on a right sided player.

Then the 12th man will do the rest, because he is the main player.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 17, 2007 5:43 PM

Malc wrote...

Keep forgetting how young Huth is - he looks older than me!

Anyway, lets move for the unsettled SORENSEN now. We should've bought him when he first left the mackems but lets not make the same mistake again.

Next, sell YAKUBU for 10m (doubt we'l get anymore). Then I agree to go with ROUTLEDGE and then we need a forward who wil get goals.

We should have gone for CASSANO but he's gone to Sampdoria so I'm up in the air. All I know is that if Egypt's forwards are so good why aren't they ever a factor at the World Cup. Also, don't forget the Shevchenko/Rebrov partenership. One was absolute rubbish.

Posted by: Malc  | August 17, 2007 5:58 PM

smoggy norm wrote...

Hi its smoggy norm,
I for one will be very sad if the Yak leaves the club. who on earth are going to score the goals if he does go?

No Duke No Yak what next No Southgate ?

Posted by: smoggy norm  | August 17, 2007 10:04 PM

Very Happy wrote...

smoggy norm

3 Points.....is that suffice?

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 19, 2007 8:03 PM

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