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Season Ticket Love In Is Over.

Posted by on August 2, 2007 11:35 PM | 

KEITH LAMB'S nonchalance in the face of what appears to be a season ticket collapse is confusing to say the least. Guesstimates suggest a slide from last term's still relatively healthy 21,500 locked in crowd base figure down to a problematic and as yet still highly confidential figure of between a generous 18,000 and a more alarming meltdown trigger point of 15,000.

But hey, not to worry. What does a quarter of the gate matter in these days of Sky Sports pumping money with the urgency of a Gloucester flood relief team? “The season ticket situation doesn’t concern me at all,� Lamb told the Gazette when quizzed on sales figures.

Now forgive me if I have this wrong, but shouldn't it concern him? Given the club's gamble on not making symbolic cuts in prices along with a host of their similarly challenged rivals you would expect marked anxiety at what appeared to be a strategic misjudging of the market that has resulted in a sharp downturn in a key indicator of sales performance and a vital source of considerable revenue. But no. He is "relaxed".


This appears to be a massive on-the-hoof U-turn in club policy. The past decade's commercial activity has been predecated on the totemic role of the Red Book. Season ticket sales have been turned into a fetish with annual exhortations for all true Boro fans to support the Riverside Revolution in the most concrete way possible. It was a measure of loyalty that was played on with every year's renewal letter plea for continued faith from the chairman.

The Red Book was ranked in order of precedence that brought status and privilege. It was central to the club's economic relationship with its customers and it was consciously pushed to the detriment of casual fans, the "part-timers" who were punished for their failure to enrol in the Red Book army by ever higher on-day prices, with extra hurtful premium rates for the glamour games. A lot of effort went into selling Red Books with painful radio advertising, targeted mailshots at former holders and carefully crafted press releases.

But now it seems the season-ticket is not the blue riband mark of the loyalist after all. The Red Book has bitten the dust, literally, with credit card style swipe entry tickets taking their place and it seems their elevated role in the club's economy has gone too.

“In actual fact we are better off filling the ground on a match day with non-season ticket holders," said the chief executive, casually ripping up the old uber-fan shibboleths. “It is financially better for us because they don’t get the season ticket discount".

This is undoubtedly true, although the logic suggests that the club would prefer season ticket sales to go down and the danger is that some will pick up on that and oblige next year. The three year price freeze has insulated season ticket holders against the harsh reality of matchday economics. A Red Booker in the North Stand watches a game for £20 but his casual counterpart must pay £24 - if he can get in the cheap seast and up to £31 elsewhere. For a premium rate game it is from £31 to £38. So if the club can get half of the lapsed loyalists to attend on a more than regular basis then they could be quids in... but it is a big if and one heavy with risk.

The reality is that most who take the big decision to relinquish their season ticket do not attend on a regular basis, that is why average crowds have gone down by almost 10,000 over the last eight years. The slow retreat from a season ticket high of 30,000 shows that most who give up the Red Book walk away for ever. Once the emotional ties and magnetic habits are broken they tend to drift away and on the occasions they do attend they are resentful of the inflated unprotected prices they must pay and at being distanced from "their" seat and away from their friends. Once they step off the bandwagon the less attractive aspects of the game loom larger.

“But there is an upside to not having the place full of season ticket holders, that is you get new fans in every weekend,� continued Lamb in defiance of reality. Football is not attracting any new fans. The upsurge of interest that made the Riverside a sell-out every week for two or three seasons and prompted the building of the corners was based on the euphoria of a new ground and new possibilities, the mould-breaking signings of Juninho and Ravanelli and a nationwide upsurge of the middle-class family football fun phenonoma in the rosy afterglow of Euro 96.

Those days are long gone to be replaced by cynicism at an uncompetitive league, simmering disatisfaction at the widespread fear-filled defensive play from a dozen teams more concerned with survival than progress and entry level prices that are simply too high. Even the natural next generation, the kids, are faced with financial obstacles because while they can get very cheap tickets they must still put a compelling and well-costed case to an adult to accompany them.

"The onus is on the club to produce a product that people want to come and watch," said Lamb, correctly and echoing the call that has rung out from supporters for several seasons. "It’s been evident by the players that Gareth has tried to sign and has been successful in signing and he is determined to put a product and team on the field that is going to excite the fans.
If we excite the fans and make it enjoyable to watch they will come back."

But this "build it and they will come" approach is fatally flawed. For Boro to attract new fans to fill the seats left empty by the deserters will take something more than hope that a few good displays will excite the punters to the extent that they flock to the Riverside. For all the faults in the McClaren era there is no question that the product was there: European quarter-finals and semi-finals, FA Cup quarter-finals and semi-finals, League Cup quarter-finals... in that respect the club delivered but still the casual fans did not respond.

But the Red Book as a product is damaged goods as its central selling points have been crucially undermined in recent years. Firstly the claim that it gave priority for tickets to big games was badly dented with the traumatic allocation of Eindhoven tickets and whatever the rights or wrongs of the system the fact is that many of the longest serving Red Book holders were left empty handed and feeling betrayed after their accumulated years of service were seen to count for nothing.

Secondly the mathematics no longer add up after a series of on-day price reductions for the least popular games - in themselves neccessary and laudable - caused some Red Bookers to reassess their own finances. The truth is that for most people missing two games through illness, work or holiday makes the season ticket investment not viable.

Thirdly, and possibly more importantly, for a growing section of the fanbase the Red Book is no longer a symbol of inclusion. They feel increasingly alienated from the club over what at first glance may appear trivial issues - stewarding, the club shop, the new badge, the shirts, the failure to land transfer targets (spectacular or otherwise) cleanly, pulling the plug on Century, a to listen - that build into a mosaic of corrosive discontent.

The problem is that the club see the relationship sealed by the season ticket primarily as an economic one - hence Lamb's attempts to rationalise the falling numbers as a financial opportunity - while supporters see it primarily as an emotional one. Unless that fundamental dichotomy can be resolved the relationship will become ever more dysfunctional.

The club have already missed a golden opportunity to build bridges with a "relaunch" that was plucked out of the air and made public with a crude sixth form display as the new badge was revolved on a bit of MDF in the centre-circle. The relaunch could have been about spiritual renewal and a bold new vision. It could have put a vibrant new relationship at its core along with a pledge to listen and act with the supporters and the community at heart. It could have boldly set out a vision of unity and passion for a new Boro and meant it.

If the club want supporters to come back they must address the economic realities of Teesside - but also make would-be fans believe they are valued and part of a club that is going places.


Comments (70)

Mark wrote...

Anthony, what is equally confusing is the late run of this story, and the claim that "Keith Lamb told the gazette..............".

The interview was shown on Sky Sports news several days ago.

**AV writes: Most press happenings are done several times for the various media to make sure the message goes out across the TV, radio and written press.

Posted by: Mark  | August 3, 2007 7:34 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Spot on AV - The club will have 14,000 saeson tickets holders at best. Most games this season will be played in front of crowds of 20,000 + the away support.

Prehaps the 12th man can create the largest banner in football to cover the empty seats.

Glad Smith has joined the skunks.

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 3, 2007 8:51 AM

Paddy wrote...

Hi,

Writing this as an international boro fan.

To put it simply: This club is in serious decline..Exciting signings....I dont think so.We signed an unknown Turk,an unproven French talent of 8 years ago and an exEngland international in Young. Spectacular? I dont think so.

Is it any wonder season ticket sales are crashing at alarming speed. Get ready for the soul less bowl again next year

Posted by: Paddy  | August 3, 2007 9:21 AM

JK wrote...

Would 50 quid off, a half price shirt or even just free entry to the home friendly been too costly for the club to give us season ticket holders?

Could the fans have made the choice of a new badge and shirt? I think so because we managed too name the stadium didnt we?

Boro is feeling less and less like my club and more and more like a soulless business that doesn’t give a dam about its customers as long as they turn up - but news flash boro, your customers are not turning up!

Its time to get off your backsides and talk to the fans and give us a club that we can have pride in being a part of.

With the rise of the Twelth man and websites like Smogchat the opportunity is there to liaise with fans, to understand our feelings and expectations and act upon them because if you don’t there’s only two other options

1, The crowds continue to fall and we are unable to compete at the top level

2, Sell to a Foreign Billionaire

My hope is still there but the choice is yours Mr Gibson!

Posted by: JK  | August 3, 2007 9:30 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

Nails squarely struck on the head. Please feel free not to post if you think this isnt suitable.

I know this a bit pompous but there is a theory about providing a service that uses 7 P's. It is common sense.

Product - to satisfy the customer, must be able to compete with other demands, attractive football.

Place - good channels of distribution for purchasing tickets and merchandise.

Promotion - effective communication of the offering, consistent with the offering, not over promising. Media coverage - century fm.

People - the right people reflecting the club such as stewarding, ticket staff, chief executive. They should be making you feel important.

Physical evidence - the ground and its approaches, the symbols of the club such as badge and kit.

Processes - ticketing procedures, buying goods from the club, purchasing functions.

Price - is not everything when it comes to marketing a service such as MFC, it must reflect the overall package, it must offer value for money.

All the above go together to make the package, it is the sum of the bits that make us buy a ticket. Add in the feeling of belonging. Does it do exactly what it says on the tin?

I have sketched in a few items in each but think about what the club has done in all those areas to justify not reducing the price.

In my view they have failed on many counts and are likely to reap the rewards.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 3, 2007 9:44 AM

dave wrote...

If the drop in season ticket sales does not concern him then they obviously dont need the extra money so why not drop the prices and get more fans in?

We wont sell many match day tickets because most season ticket holders who drop out dont go to every match. they will pick and choose. if they are not keen on spending £400 for a seaosn ticket then they are not going to spend £24 to watch boro and blackburn or £31 to £40 on a newcastle game. imagine how much it will cost someone to treat his family for a 1 off big game?

Disappointed in boro as we pride ourselves as not following the likes of manutd and the billionaires by trying to take every penny they can from the fans. So much for us being a club for the people.

All these little bits of bad decisions and bad pr is slowly chipping away at the paying customers. One day the club will finally wake up and realise they have to attract fans back. Unfortunately even boro have more interest in tv revenue than what is going on in the stadium

Posted by: dave  | August 3, 2007 10:21 AM

benny wrote...

Quite frankly I have never been one to write to a newspaper or post an email and amongst a lot of newspaper trawling for Boro news your blog articles are without doubt always spot on. This one is Purlitzer Prize stuff and for me hits the nail on the head.

I admire Gareth Southgate and what he is trying to do and rate him very highly - indeed I am excited at the signings he has already made. Woodgate is a real coup his performance at Arsenal was the finest Boro defensive performance I have ever seen.

As a Boro fan though the thought of wearing a Boro shirt without the white band is abhorrant and I for one will never buy the new shirt. For me it is about identity (as in the You Me and Dupree film its about my Boroness) and the white band signifies that I am a Boro fan and defines me as a Boro fan - I have no desire to look like I support Wales or Liverpool.

The new badge quite frankly is so amateurishly done that it is an embarrassment and I cringe whenever I see it. I've just moved out to New Zealand for work and am going to miss the Brownlee commentaries on the internet, he is a Boro icon in my view, with Bernie - it's quality radio and I can listen anywhere in the world to those 2 and feel as if I am home.

I do currently feel dis-engaged with the off field activities of the club and I think the word that the Middlesbrough hierachy need to ponder over is the word: consultation.

Give us the fans some real responsibility for the real issues. They are quite happy for us to vote on who we think is the greatest player this week but on the real issues ie the badge, white band, radio commentary where is the consultation?

Posted by: benny  | August 3, 2007 10:43 AM

Werdermouth wrote...

I think however well meaning and hard working Keith Lamb is, his comments of late show to me that it's just as important to get new blood at the top of the club and not just on the pitch.

All leadship becomes stagnant and inward looking eventually, whether it's in management or politics since as your points of reference receed further into the past they will steer you away from making the decisions to meet the imcomprehensible future.

All we seem to be getting these days is spin - "We'll get the team we can afford" or "Expect a few spectacular signings" and "low uptake of season tickets are an opportunity attract new spectators".

Where is the plan to take us forward? Over half the premiership clubs have now been given massive investment. We are told that our academy players will fill the monetary gap - but how many would make the first choice starting eleven? possibly only 2 or 3.

Whilst I accept that it's not easy attracting players it's a lot easier if you're prepared to splash the cash. Therefore, I don't think our current policy of cutting back on spending at a time when the rest of the premiership is increasing theirs will lead to anything other than more seasons struggling between relegation and mid-table obscurity.

So in conclusion - time for a change at the top!

Posted by: Werdermouth  | August 3, 2007 10:45 AM

eric eyre wrote...

When is keith Lamb going to wake up and realise the fans have had enough of second rate leadership. We are conned season after season into getting season tickets on the promise of something exciting going to happen.

We allowed Mark Viduka to leave which hurt every true Boro supporter, we were told on the radio by Steve Gibson (2 days before season tickets were due) about exciting new signings. Where is the dynamic centre forward, creative midfielder and speedy right winger that we desperately need to help us stay in the premier league?

We are falling behind every team in the league. I have supported the Boro for 57 years and I have never heard or seen the sadness now showing among the fans at the way the club is spiralling downwards. Come Mr Gibson lets see some possitive action before its to late

Posted by: eric eyre  | August 3, 2007 11:27 AM

kev wrote...

Couldn't agree more with the comments so far. Lamb has really gone too far this time, and has oncce again shown how out of touch our club are with the Teesside public.

Lamb's dismissive comments hurt me deeply. If he worked for my business, I would have him fired. I have very reluctantly and with great thought, decided to renew again this year. I have held a seson ticket since I could first afford one back in 87/88 but I failed to get allocated a ticket for Eindhoven, and was reduced to buying one on the black market to see my beloved Boro in a European final.

The club have repeatedly failed to listen to the Teesside fans. No input allowed for the new badge, new shirts, no reduction in prices despite Premiership club's pockets bulging with all the extra cash.

Nothing is passed on to Boro fans. No major signings. Though I think Young is a good and sensible buy, possibly the best for a long time, he is not going to put extra sales in the coffers unfortunately.

I'm glad we didn't fork out £6m for another striker who doesn't have ascoring record (Smith - I think we have had a lucky escape). But though I remain firmly behind the Gate, I fear the worst. I truly hope I am wrong.

Posted by: kev  | August 3, 2007 11:35 AM

mark wrote...

Season ticket holders are the life blood of any club! Boro once again are proving to be a second division out fit in the premier league.

This is the true colours of the club that has kicked its fans once too often. Ticket problems for big games, no new shirts on sale, no signings of any note, Kieth Lamb telling season ticket holders are not welcome or requred and our chairman not standing up and telling fans that he will back the club as he did for Bryan Robson.

FAN FOR 45 YEARS Season ticket holder for 25 years - there wont be a 26th year.

Posted by: mark  | August 3, 2007 11:43 AM

Redcar Red wrote...

Interesting to notice that the "issues" of concern with fans are now more off field activities than on field activities!

When the fans are starting to address boardroom and policy issues rather than Bernie complaining about yet another poor on field performance then alarm bells should be ringing all around the Riverside.

This is Steve Gibson's greatest challenge to date, even bigger in my opinion than 1986. Taking over and turning around an ailing business is relatively straightforward to an astute businessman. Having to fix problems created by your own/teams decisions/policies takes a lot more soul searching and strength of character.

To anyone in business your weaknesses are perversely your greatest opportunities. Taking Century as just one example, a jubilant, enthusing Bernie next season over the new exciting football we are promised would have provided more positive PR and hype than the club could ever buy.

Has Steve has lost some of his business acumen and become tired with it all or is he being sold short by the people he employs to do the exact opposite of what they have done in a few weeks of summer madness and incompetence. It takes years to build consumer confidence in a brand and product and mere minutes to destroy it.

Can Steve make his toughest and most ruthless business decision to date and save the club's fortunes again? Or are we seeing the swansong and demise of what history may prove to have been our greatest ever era as MFC quite literally implodes before our eyes.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | August 3, 2007 11:44 AM

Ian W wrote...

2 Horrible errors in the way this is written:

Guesstimate - I wouldn't mind at all if this 'word' became the first word in the english language to be made illegal.

"The Red Book has bitten the dust, literally"

Literally would mean that a Red-Book somehow mutated and acquired a mouth and teeth. Then went to a particularly dusty part of town (the patch of dirt near the huts at my old primary school is a good spot) and had a nice chop on some of the local delicacy. Namely, dust.

Maybe its time for you too to go back to school AV.

Posted by: Ian W  | August 3, 2007 11:55 AM

Marty wrote...

It breaks my heart being a Boro fan for fourty years to see the comments made by Mr Lamb. Did we not stick by Boro when relegated after the 'Blackburn' farce. We still bought our season tickets to watch Championship games.

Has Mr Lamb not seen the signs that we are sick of watching at best average entertainment being promised year after year attacking flair at home? The only games in living memory that gave me real pride and passion were the heady days of the UEFA cup run up to the final.

In your pricing policy you had the chance to keep some season ticket holders who were wavering by lowering the costs for a family like others in the premier league who will benefit from the atmosphere generated in the ground.

How ever due to the 'costs' for a season ticket for my now 12 year old son and the lack of attractive signings you have lost four season tickets and I don't know if they will be back. If at anytime we do attend this season it will be infrequent and only two of us!

If Alan Smith that well known goal machine is the best we can look forward to I will rest my case for attractive football. Thank God he has gone to that lot up the road so they can suffer that brand of football.

Posted by: Marty  | August 3, 2007 12:53 PM

Rob wrote...

AV, another thought provoking piece that I agree with.

The club must surely realise that to sit on your hands and do nothing is not really an option.I wonder if what is required to get fans back onside is beyond their capability.

We have in my opinion being shown to be in decline from the time we should have kicked on - after the UEFA Cup final. History will surely judge it as a missed opportunity - one of it's type we may never see again.

I would love to hear more positive soundings from the club and how they intend getting fans to return - all you hear is the sound of silence - a taster to the Riverside atmosphere this season perhaps ??????

Posted by: Rob  | August 3, 2007 12:59 PM

Adam wrote...

The Middlesbrough FC hierarchy is becoming increasingly disengaged from the fans. This has been happening for some time and is now reaching crisis point.

In saving the club Steve Gibson created a management team that was small and all powerful in order to facilitate decision making and make boardroom splits a thing of the past. The problem now is that this oligarchy is answerable to nobody. There are no other shareholders to answer to, just the paying public.

Even when the so called Riverside Revolution was in full swing dubious decisions with cup final ticketing etc were being made. However fans were prepared to overlook this when things on the pitch seemed ok.

There is no doubting what Steve Gibson and the management team have acheived at Boro but they now appear now increasingly blinkered in their actions and at times their attitude to fans almost borders on contempt.

With no challenge in any form to there position I can't see this changing. I'm not advocating getting rid of Steve Gibson he's still the heartbeat of the club but I do think he needs to make moves to win back the fans.

We haven't a massive fanbase and that is why it is even more important that the club and fans are working together.

Posted by: Adam  | August 3, 2007 1:01 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

A further thought.

Not selling season tickets will be offset by new fans and selling tickets on the the day, also by getting more revenue than the discount on the season ticket. Who is Lambie kidding?

There are several flaws already mentioned, slap in the face for renewing season ticket holders, the ridiculous assumption that non renewers will pay at the gate to make up for the shortfall.

The biggest flaw is the fact of attracting new fans. We already know that the percentage of local fans as part of the gate is one on the highest in the premiership. We also know that we have a very high percentage of local population going to the match.

Can someone tell me where these new fans will come from? Can somone tell me where these fans live? Are Toon, Mackem, Pool and Darlo fans going to desert their clubs? Are 50,000 Turkish fans coming to live on Teesside? Maybe we will become the new ManU with travel support from all over Britain?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 3, 2007 1:04 PM

C j wrote...

The recent comments made by Mr Lamb only state what deep down most Boro fans had known deep down and that is Middlesbrough FC are dying.

The club is in rapid freefall from their position they were in only a few years ago. The reason for this can be contributed to a number of factors.

Firstly there has been a huge reduction in ticket sales in which a proportion of this is a ticket holder who have followed the club for many years.

Secondly the strength of the squad is paper-thin. Thirdly the inability to compete for quality players in the transfer market. This means QUALITY not just blindly bidding vast amounts for average players who we track for weeks on end without success.

The statement Mr Lamb should be telling the fan is the truth and the truth is we are in decline. The fans deserve this and should not be given the politicians spin we are getting.

Finally we have to be realistic and look at the situation we find ourselves in at present we are in a fight for survival and if we should fail and be relegated i fear we will never recover.

Posted by: C j  | August 3, 2007 1:52 PM

coggins wrote...

''Season ticket holders are the life blood of any club! ''

Not exactly true is it?

Only a small percentage at AP were season ticket holders and as we all know, STH money is becoming a progressively small piece of the financial cake at PL clubs.

What the club (and football in general) needs to do is win back some of its lost traditonal fanbase which pre-dated (Rupert) Murdoch, and bring more kids and young people in. This would not only generate income and arrest crowd decline but could improve the atmosphere at matches, adding to the sense of occasion.

Who knows whether the club did their sums and dismissed it, but it may be that MFC have missed a trick to by not reducing prices as both smaller clubs (wigan, blackburn)and larger clubs (villa) have done.

Hopefully this trend will continue and Boro will follow suit; unglamourous clubs ie the ones with the proper fans need to follow the German model to reach out and make their club truly tied to the city and community. The club need to accept this as part of its 'new era' to fully move on.

Exciting football alone will not win the fans back - we have had sporadic bursts of exciting football in the recent past but it has made no impression on the attendance: people are too apathetic and miserable, or too hard up for that to happen.

***

'Taking Century as just one example, a jubilant, enthusing Bernie next season over the new exciting football we are promised would have provided more positive PR and hype than the club could ever buy'.

Eh? Dreary old Slavergob on Radio Jawdee could only ever be jubilant for his beloved Glasgow Celtic. He was also an appalling and highly negative pundit.

Now Alistair on the other hand...

Posted by: coggins  | August 3, 2007 2:08 PM

Vince wrote...

Spot on article AV, the latest arrogant comments of Keith Lamb shows just how out of touch the club have become with the fans and how the 'spirit of 86' has been extinguished.

His lack of concern should have alarm bells ringing in Steve Gibson's head and i hope he reads the comments on here and acts to restore some faith between the club and the fans before it gets any worse.

It is the latest in a long list of 'own goals' being scored by the club, and to name but a few - no fan participaion in changing the badge or in the new design. The removal of the white band from the new shirts and no choice of the new away shirt as in recent seasons. Taking away broadcasting rights from Century Radio and the regular shambolic delays on contract negotiations with both players and shirt sponsors.

These individually are only fairly small issues but when added together with others contribute to the breaking of ties between fans and 'their' club.

Another worrying thing is these gaffes are getting more and more frequent and SG needs to give his staff a good shake up.

Personally i can accept not reducing season ticket costs if that money helps towards new signings but red book holders need to feel more appreciated than the low regard KL affords them.

I feel sorry for Gareth Southgate and think he is doing well in rebuilding the team on the pitch (glad we didn't get Alan Smith though!)but the off the field bosses need to urgently repair some broken bridges if the fans are to return in any numbers.

Posted by: Vince  | August 3, 2007 2:12 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Brilliant blog, AV. And I really think Redcar Red has got it right. We are a club nearing crisis. I am appalled by Keith Lamb's views on season tickets. Gibbo must surely take action!

The trouble is we can go on bemoaning the club's failings as much as we like on sites like this, but as John Powls frequently points out, nobody listens.

We urgently need a properly constituted fans' forum, ideally with Gibbo himself, to raise issues of concern with the club, and to offer our views on key issues such as prices, kit, badges.

What chance AV? Could you and the Gazette lead a campaign on this without losing your priveleged access a la Century? Somebody needs to take a lead.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | August 3, 2007 2:17 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Keith Lamb appears to have fuelled a fire, even though his intentions were to dampen it. We all make mistakes, because we are called human beings.

Hopefully, you will do a u-turn Keith and repair your unintentional mistake/s. I could see where you were coming from and fully understood that you were simply stating that the onus was on the club to deliver the goodies, to sweeten up the fans.


Ian W

I tried to de-code your post or decipher it, but words are not your game, so stick with that bag of wind they call a football.


Posted by: Very Happy  | August 3, 2007 2:21 PM

Stephen wrote...

A good article written in response to a mind boggling gaffe from the Chief Exec of Boro. It is surely time for Lamb to go. No wonder he doesn't care about season ticket sales as they are a measure of his poor running of the club.

I have been a season ticket holder for many years, but have not re-newed this year. Is Lamb bothered? No, so why should I bother?

Posted by: Stephen  | August 3, 2007 2:30 PM

allycat wrote...

I wrote a few weeks ago that i thought boro fans were reverting to type and being over the top and pessimistic with regard to the backroom staff, but.... what world is Keith Lamb living in?

Has he just bought a copy of the Alastair Campbell diaries and trying a bit of spin doctorism? Season ticket sales are way down, you cannot spin your way out of that.

To say what he said once as an off the cuff remark would indicate incredible naivety and a complete lack of understanding of the hardworking/unemployed people of teesside. To repeat that comment as standard to all the various aspects of the media over several days (as AV noted) is absolutley disgraceful.

How can someone state that the fan that pays out a lump sum, (a fan from what is still one of the poorer areas of the country) is not as important economically as the one off supporter turning up for the prawn sandwich games.

New fans will not turn up every week to replace the season ticket stayaways, becuase we do not play man u, arsenal, chelsea, newcastle every home game.

Also the one off attendee is less likely to be the ones getting kitted out from the club shop, its more likely to be the season ticket holders squeezing their beer bellies into a crappy nylon shirt. But if they are not going to the game are they gonna buy as much merchandise - NO!

Wake up and smell the bovril Mr Lamb, the fans are unhappy. Unhappy fans have a habit of turning on the team/manager/board when all is not well. I can even envisage the absolutely unthinkable notion of Steve GIbson recieving vocal abuse from some of the crowd when we go 2 nil down at home to Birmingham or Everton.

It should not come to this, sort it out. Sorry this is a bit long.

Posted by: allycat  | August 3, 2007 2:57 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

so we are down to our hardcore again. 16-18,000 or so diehards that we had at ayresome. that is boros natural crowd and we all know it.

the ones that have jumped off the bandwagon were the new riverside foam finger happy clappy brigade who only joined in post juninho because it was the new fashion. the fainthearts are no loss.id rather have 18000 pasionate crowd than an extra 10000 who sit back silently and demand to be enetretained like they are at the pictures. that is what has killed the atmosphere.

pointing to prices is red herring. ST prices have been frozen for three years now. given payrises etc the tickets are cheaper than they were so all the talk about expense is just people looking for an excuse to bail out. to be fair the club gives them plemty of excuses.

the club dont need the ST money as lambie has said, the TV dosh more than makes up for it. but it isnt nice to be told that you are irrelevent

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | August 3, 2007 2:59 PM

James wrote...

Another article hitting the nail right on the head AV. Was planning to pen an email to the club with similar issues raised.

I didn't think it was possible but the club seem to have grown even more out of touch with the fans.

We need to get the club to start some worthwhile dialogue with the fans and hopefully the Club will start the understand the reasons for the drop in ST sales, and start making decisions to rectify it.

For a club that says it is there for the people of Teesside, it has a funny way of showing it, which is bizarre when it can be rightly proud of its work with the academy and its community work, but certainly not how it treats it fans, or to them its customers.

Posted by: James  | August 3, 2007 3:19 PM

Pinkers wrote...

I'm afraid this is all very depressing and I'm struggling to see any positives.

I'm sick to death of the club taking no notice whatsoever of what the fans think. Of course, you're not going to please everyone all of the time, but MFC just seems to lurch from one disastrous decision to another at the moment.

Like so many other fans have said on here and fmttm, I have no desire to look like a second rate Liverpool/ Wales/ bristol City fan. Where is the white band? It should always be on the shirt because it makes us unique and distinctive, and carries a sense of identity for the fans.

Also after our many televised European games why on earth do we want to make ourselves look like another club?? Argh! It's such an obviously stupid decision. But at least we're only stuck with it for a year...

Unlike our embarrassing new badge, which is, frankly, a crap design that has been poorly executed. LISTEN to us MFC! I don't WANT a new badge. Does anyone?? Our 1986 badge was, like the white band, unique and different in style to other clubs. It was a great badge that meant something massive to us because it symbolised 1986 and all the magic that recovery had from Bruce Rioch parking his car over the water mains at Ayresome Park, to Paul Kerr's winner in the ZDS semi-final. I could take pride in it.

Now we have some kind of soulless, second rate Liverpool/Man U wannabe, and it's just awful. What pride can I take in that? It means nothing to me, nothing at all. I don't wish to wear it or be associated with it, because it is meaningless, and was clearly made by someone who didn't care or didn't know what they were doing.

That someone like that should be in charge of making it is completely unacceptable in itself, but if MFC were really set on imposing a new one on us, for God's sake let the fans design and choose it!

I would have knocked something infinitely better up in Photoshop, for free, as I'm sure many others would/could have...if only we'd been asked. Disgraceful.

Next came the axe for Century FM commentary. Oh good, let's have the BBC's boring, sterile (like the kit, badge, ground) tedium instead. I don't WANT to listen to that...I want to listen to Ali and Bernie, because they're real Boro fans like me, and I identify with them. And they care.

Like the white band, and the old badge, Ali and Bernie are powerful symbols of the club. Symbols of our innate 'Boroness' which the club seems to be on a crusade to take away from us.

All these things are touchstones for the fans and you know what MFC - THEY REALLY MATTER. And the active destruction of them just serves to make us all feel yet more disconnected from the club we once considered 'ours'

Now Keith Lamb tells us that, actually, we don't care about season tickets after all. Well which is it Keith? And if you don't care, then why are the prices so bloody expensive, making tickets out of reach for so many people in our low wage economy??

Cut the prices and fill the ground, and let's have some atmosphere in the morgue that is the Riverside. Restore the badge and the white band.

For God's sake WAKE UP Boro. You're killing your own support. How many people are you going to drive away before you realise it?

Posted by: Pinkers  | August 3, 2007 3:22 PM

Very Happy wrote...

There is a very heavy cauldron of spin off’s being fired at Keith Lamb, which he has a moral care of duty to stand up and be counted for.

I don’t care if Kellogg’s Cornflakes have won the race to front the shirts, because it has no bearing on my personal life, other than to say that I eat them.

However, to kick Alistair Brownlee out like a rag doll, after all that he has done to promote the club through thick and thin is an act of callousness beyond words.

Ali always saw a smile even in the very lows of defeat, because his heart would not allow him to inflict any negatives via his microphone, or in person.

Someone inside the club appears to have forgotten that our ears, eyes and voices come in one package

We throw them dice, you must never gamble on our personal preferences. We are allowed to say such things, because we are in charge of the switches.

Therefore, you also pulled the plug on us, just as callously.

Where are you these days Steve Gibson, because once upon a time you would always stand up and be counted and explain things like the gentleman you are?

Radio Cleveland may be your cup of tea, but us thousands of die-hards like to dip our biscuits into Century Radio, because it’s like home from home.

You took away our home without a blink of any eye and the buck stops with you, because you are our chairman.

I think a lot of the gripes all relate back to that one decision.

Bad local press does not lead to success.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 3, 2007 4:04 PM

craig wrote...

Spot on AV, the club is burning bridges with too many fans, who feel alienated by the club.

Keith Lamb's comments are a disgrace, he may as well have said he isnt interested in selling season tickets. Gibson is not a stupid man & I dont see what Keith Lamb does behind the scenes but he should not be the face of MFC doing interviews for the media on such issues as he commands no respect amongst the Boro fans.

The club need to act quickly otherwise they will not be able to compete at the highest level with such a sharp decrease in fans attending games.

Past success in domestic & european competition have failed to bring the fans in, as has finishing 7th in the league. They need to sit up & realise its not just about what goes on on the pitch its about more that, the fans need to be treated as part of the club & treated with respect, not fed lines about 'spectacular' signings.

The club is being seriously mis-managed at the moment & decisions need to be made to get the fans back onboard!!

Posted by: craig  | August 3, 2007 4:14 PM

Chris wrote...

Red Book Status - what now with the smart card ? Are we to assume that we now have Gold Card status, or is everyone starting again from scratch on a level playing field ?

The literature that came with the new plastic ST did not fill one with great expectations, regardless of the years of service as a loyal ST holder.

Add to the fact that 8 out of the past 10 years a 600 mile round trip was required to attend home games. Personally, my loyalty to the club is sound, however, Keith Lamb's loyalty to me as a fan is far from satisfactory.

If the Chairman and Manager actually do read these Message Boards then I think you should consider a major re-vamp of your Public Relations.

We don't want to go back to watching the likes of a talented player like Heine Otto in front of 4,000 fans. We want to see Tuncay Sanli playing in front of 30,000 + and the only way to do that is to get your own house in order.

Put a stop to the ever contradicting bull, and be honest with your statements. The fans will appreciate you a lot more if you are up front with the truth.

Posted by: Chris  | August 3, 2007 5:21 PM

Andy wrote...

Actually, I understand what Keith Lamb is trying to say. but he rather missed the target. Of course he isn't going to press the panic button and say 'Lord help us'; what type of message does that send out for goodness sake.

The club has significant problems and for me, the biggest one is that it has chosen to dis-engage with the fans. The white band issue, badge change, refusal to (even slightly) reduce ticket prices, not asking us to vote on the away shirt demonstrate this.

My 2 polite e-mails to the club on these issues were recently ignored even though I am (hopefully) a long standing loyal fan who tries to 'big up' the club if I can.

Being a relatively small fish in a big pond, fighting against 'new' money and statistically bigger clubs makes attracting the quality of players we need more difficult, without adding to the mix that they will be playing in a half empty stadium.

Quite frankly, this is embarrassing and the club need to take decisive action. It is not too late to mount a 'charm'(!) offensive based on a rebate for season ticket holders, 'kids/ cup games for a fiver type offers, and liaison with level headed fans who want to see our club prosper.

Failure to address these issues will see the decline spiral. On a brighter note, I believe the squad is actually stronger this year (so are others) and with a couple more additions a new free flowing style of play may cheer us up.

However, if the key issues that have been allowed to develop are not addressed, then sadly I fear for our future.

Posted by: Andy  | August 3, 2007 6:23 PM

phillip wrote...

Where are the spectacular signings mr gibson boosted of? I see none. Smaller so called team have snapped up all the good players. no wonder the teesside public did not buy tickets

Posted by: phillip  | August 3, 2007 6:23 PM

Mainy wrote...

AV - firstly, if you have anything to do with the polls that take place on this website can I ask you to put this question forward to the public:

'Do you want Keith Lamb to have anything to do with Middlesbrough FC?' Simple yes or no responce as id love to see if you get any yes replies.

Keith Lamb needs to wake up and smell the roses, he lost his common sense when he shaved his tache off all those years ago. How can he say that falling season ticket numbers dont alarm him?

The only thing that he said right was that it makes more financial season to fill the ground on match days, but I ask the question, when was the last time the ground was full? If you take away the season ticket holders there is hardly anyone left.

Ive said it before and i'll say it again, keith Lamb is at the centre of every problem this club has going back to even before the 3 point deduction.

Anyhow lets get onto the important stuff, Smith has turned down the chance to be our main striker next season, good as that shows the confidence he has in his own goal scoring ability as he will play midfield for them losers next year and on top of that they finished lower than us. The guy obviously is happy with just finishing above relegation each year and never winning anymore medals!!!

We still need a forward tho as dong gook will not make it, he must have taken a few leasons from woodgate in how to pick up injuries as he's doing a blinder on that front right now. Id like to see us go for Crouch and Beattie. Most people wont agree but they could both do a job for me.

I'm happy with our right back, it seems tuncay is our new right winger and will fight it out with our new scottish winger morrison over the season.

Still need pace in centre mid tho if not pace I want a big powerhouse in there, with spurs making a few signings id like us to put a bid in for Zakora if not big popa bopa diop at fulham could be a good squad player for us. Still think Flammini at arsenal is the man we should sign tho, get jermaine on his case to convince him its the right move!

One final thought, some people have had a little pop at Gibson for saying about major signins 2 days before the ticket deadline. He gives the same speach every year if you dont realise its a ploy to sell more tickets by now, you will never learn!

Posted by: Mainy  | August 3, 2007 7:16 PM

jmccormick wrote...

who is steve gibson to change the badge anyway? thats the only thing I know & who i am - Middlesbough Football Club. its a joke to change the badge. how many fans would have changed it in the first place ?

Posted by: jmccormick  | August 3, 2007 7:32 PM

Tosh wrote...

Keith Lamb's statements are often controversial but this one takes the biscuit for it's inane, breathtaking arrogance.

The anguish articulated on this forum speaks for itself and has been growing by the season. It has become a crescendo of criticism that the club has stubbornly refused to listen to. There is non so blind as those that will not see.

I have renewed 2 tickets because I can afford it, and still hope Gibbo can get his act back together but I was sickened at the decision not to reduce prices this Summer. To buck the trend in this way was an act of sheer stupidity.

We of all clubs shold have realised this was a desperately needed measure, needed to try and keep the faithful on board after years of a crumbling fan base.

What other multi millon pound business ignores the basic tenets of economic and market theory? Maintaining unsustainable prices, in a period of ever decreasing demand and therefore increasing supply is madness.

Last season it struck me that with the present pricing structure and policy of reliance on season ticket sales, the club was setting itself an impossible task of expecting up to 10,000 seats to be filled, at premium prices, on a match day, from within a reletively weak Teesside economy.

And now, incredible as it may seem, Keith Lamb completely ignores that evidence and expects a big take up of probably 13,000 empty seats. I do believe that the lunatics have finally taken over the asylum.

Posted by: Tosh  | August 3, 2007 7:55 PM

Mal wrote...

Lets get one thing straight....this club has never and ever will genuinely care about its supporters (sorry steve but there is thousands who will share my view. you can judge that on the number of empty seats.)

I remember when Ayresome used to be lock outs, it will never happen at the riverside. By the way, can any one clarify why it is, that if i sit in a seat and we play the likes of wigan,(no offence) then i can sit in the same seat the next week and pay nearly £15 extra.

Yes we play bigger teams than wigan, but the view is no different and we dont get a meal or champagne thrown in.

Steve, please get the club back to the way you wanted it, and that you promised us it would be...DO NOT GO BACK TO THE EIGHTIES.

Posted by: Mal  | August 3, 2007 9:31 PM

Lee wrote...

I hate having to be negative, but what does Steve Gibson expect? I love Boro and know we aint ever going to be one of the top teams, but the spin that continuesly comes out from the club is only alienating the true Boro fans from the club.

Steve Gibson is now starting to treat us like Steve Maclaren did, like uneducated people who dont know any better. It aint going to work anymore making up lies just before season ticket deadline day.

We the Boro fans are Boro, we are who matters, start treating us like we deserve or see it all come crashing down. Come on Steve, treat us like we deserve, we are all Boro fans here and all want the best for the club.

Posted by: Lee  | August 4, 2007 12:21 AM

Albert Honeyman wrote...

Have been going to see Boro since 1957, through all the good and bad times, season ticket holder for twenty odd years.

My friends and i have been to all Boro finals but despite all being long term season ticket holders,i.e.S and T books, we could not get a ticket for the UEFA final.

W complained to the club, their response was we only had nine thousand tickets, and had to adopt the fairest possible ticket allocation system, so regrettably some supporters would be disappointed.

The last straw came, when watching the final on TV to see hundreds of children at the match. How could they possibbly be long term season ticket holders?

Being loyal to the club, its just not worth it.

Posted by: Albert Honeyman  | August 4, 2007 1:59 AM

Andy mac wrote...

Cant be bovvered wiv da boro no more, me!

Posted by: Andy mac  | August 4, 2007 9:18 AM

Tosh wrote...

Mal, the answer to your question is that Steve Gibson wants to punish the pick and choose brigade and I know this because it was said to me by a senior Boro official.

It served to confirm my suspicions that there is open contempt for the people who attend the Riverside from the very highest level within the club, and this vindictive instinct reveals itself very clearly in the latest utterances of Mr Lamb

Posted by: Tosh  | August 4, 2007 12:31 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Albert Honeyman

Football clubs as we all know, are only allocated a handful of tickets for European Cup Finals, because once the semi finals have been played the fans don’t exist.

Those with a few thousand quid to spare can buy their rightful seat back off a tout though. Such scum should be arrested for trading illegal property, because they have what does not belong to them for starters.

FIFA place the cream cake brigade first and it’s about time every club got round a table and told FIFA where to stick it.

The fans of every club in Europe have been shouting the same case for years, because they too, can’t get a ticket when it comes to the day of Balloons.

Imaging holding any European Cup Final in a stadium that fills up in twenty minutes.

We need a super one-off Super Stadium building to host all Cup Finals, which can crown football.

Every countries name into a hat and bingo.

Just so there’s no cheating I think Paul Daniels should draw the winning ticket.

I hope the season goes well for GS and the lads, because it’s almost game on.

Finally, if we want Gary O’Neil from Portsmouth then he’s ours, because we have what they are desperate to sign.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 4, 2007 2:25 PM

DBF wrote...

I totally agree with your comments AV, season ticket holders used to be a priority for any football club, Boro seem to believe season ticket holders are not necessary.

Boro have a top three mentality, with championship reality.

We have unveiled a mediocre sponsor, the 'big name signings' did not happen. Where are Steve Gibsons signings that will shock football?

The Century fiasco was another tactical shot in the foot by the illustrious Boro Maketing squad.

And we very rarely get over 30,000 supporters on match day and now Keith Lamb kicks his loyal supporters in the nuts.

Cheers Keith, I am glad that I did not renew my season ticket this year.

**AV writes: Congratulations DBF, you are the poster of our 4000th comment. Spectacular stuff!

Posted by: DBF  | August 4, 2007 6:15 PM

geoff wrote...

Yet again the back room staff have shown there true colours, everyone I have talked to has the same distaste forthem.

They had the chance to show the fans how they felt but ooooppps another blob dropped. They over price there merchandise about 2 fold, cheaper sells more as not everyone can afford £20 for a t-shirt.

Dont fall into the same trap as those up the road when he called there lady fans dogs and laughed about fans paying for the over priced shirts.

Come on SG give GS the chance too see a full stadium of chanting fans, with the player's we all deserve to see..

Posted by: geoff  | August 4, 2007 7:58 PM

Dave Green wrote...

I read somewhere that the boro were playing a friendly today, some dutch team, looked on Sky, not a mention, looked on the beeb not a mention on text,looked for exciting signings, nothing, then found out that our manager does not rate young James Morrison and is selling him to West Brom

I am officially depressed .could it be spirits will be lifted with half a dozen massive purchases in the next three days to add to our non scoring strike force with the money we receive for James Morrison?

...oops there is the alarm..time to take my happy pills.

Posted by: Dave Green  | August 4, 2007 11:05 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

so Morrison is talking to West Brom, thats great because he is our only player who plays right side on any regular basis. Anyone coming the other way?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 4, 2007 11:13 PM

Chris wrote...

(The name is Chris not craig at August 3, 2007 4:14 PM)

It was interesting (and typical of Boro) that the new turnstile access system was not working properly at several of the new access machines yesterday.

I ended up just flashing my card at an operator who let me through. I wonder if anyone got in without paying ! It would serve them right for not fully testing the system before hand. Lets face it they have had enough time and media coverage to get it right.

After Mozzas performances in pre-season I am very disappointed that he has been made to feel that he needs to leave to play first team football.

His performances at Arsenal and Portsmouth last season in particular were excellent. Mogga must be rubbing his hands in glee. And as usual another 'popular' talent is sacrificed. Good luck James.

Posted by: Chris  | August 5, 2007 9:37 AM

deka wrote...

how can we let the likes of james morrison leave the club and yet we are still stuck with the likes of mendietta and jason euell? Something wrong somewhere.

As for keith lamb, the mind boggles at his latest revelation. That,ll bring the fans back keith. We seem to lurch from one PR disaster to another...you can almost here gibbo saying: "Am i bovvered? Look at my face..am I bovvered?"

Well Steve, 15,000 boro fans are not bovvered this season.

Posted by: deka  | August 5, 2007 11:24 AM

Arnold Layne wrote...

I always felt that if Morrison gained a stone or thereabouts he would be an excellent player. I dont understand this move being allowed to happen.

Also I am very concerned as to where Boro's goals will come from next season because I don't see the present squad scoring more than 25 Premier League goals between them.

Posted by: Arnold Layne  | August 5, 2007 1:14 PM

Malc wrote...

Oh boy. We really need to keep Morrison. As regards Keith Lamb, the guy ihas messed up again.

On a brighter note, I've found the solution to our striker/creativity woes. We should sign Antonio Cassano on loan. He's been linked with rubbish like Bolton in the Sundays and he knows Woody from his time at Real.

The kid's a huge talent and an international for the Azurri. It would be risk-free as there'd be no fee and allow us to keep the £6m or more we apparently had for slow smudger Smith.

Put in a word to those who matter about Cassano would you, Vic?

Posted by: Malc  | August 5, 2007 6:08 PM

coggins wrote...

The fact that Morrison has proven he is not prem standard shouldn't stop blubbing boro fans using his potential sale as a stick to beat Lamb / MFC with.

I would bet if suitable takers could be found, Euell and Mendi would be gone too.

Good win for the lads on satder. Anyone care to whinge about that?

Posted by: coggins  | August 6, 2007 8:26 AM

ian Gill wrote...

Maybe Keith Lamb based his views on the players over previous seasons. They seemed to pick and choose which matches the turned up for, on many occasions they also left before the fans to miss the traffic.

I guess it was an ill advised, off the cuff remark. Sadly it reinforces my previously posted views that the club have lost touch with fans, any dodgy remark is being picked up and building up the level of disatisfaction.

If Morrison leaves, rightly or wrongly, there will be a feeling he didnt get a fair crack of the whip. The question on many peoples lips will be why we are letting one of us leave who is the only right sided player in the squad with no one coming in to replace him. Maybe Mendi has had a time lord transformation and come back ten years younger.

Saturday is crunch time, I will be there and will cheer the lads on. Lets hope I dont need a mobile to speak to the fan next to me.

Posted by: ian Gill  | August 6, 2007 8:43 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Read the comments posted and I'm now even more depressed.

If Boro wanted to test the new system on Saturday they should have been charging a nominal fee - £2 to get in.

6,752 - a sign of things to come?

When GS took over as manager he said we needed a right sided midfield player, he has now had 3 transfer windows to sign one and still we wait.

This season it will be his team, his tactics and no longer can the ghost of MaClaren be blamed for any shortcomings.

Crowd prediction against Blackburn 23,000 - 24,000.

Without the right results early in the season the crowd will drop, but Mr Lamb will of course be blame free, it will be GS's fault.

We might get the team we deserve Mr Lamb, but as Boro fans we sure as hell do not deserve to be treated with the arrogance and contempt that you seem to think we do.

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 6, 2007 9:40 AM

Very Happy wrote...

(LATEST RUMOURED NEWS)

THIS FOOD FOR THOUGHT STORY HAS JUST LEAKED.

AV AND ERIC PAYLOR ARE TO BE OUR TWIN STRIKERS FOR THE OPENING GAME OF THE SEASON.

THE REASONS GIVEN ARE THAT AV IS ADDICTED TO TURKISH TAKEAWAYS, AND ERIC HAS THE SAME PASSION FOR FRENCH FRITTTERS.

I’M BEHIND THE LADS AND I HOPE YOUNG MORRISON HAS A WONDERFUL FUTURE AND PROVES SO MANY WRONG, BECAUSE THAT LIFE’S.

ROLL ON SATURDAY AND C’MON GARMIN IS ME RALLYING CALL, BECAUSE WE MUST BEAT BLACKBURN AND GET OFF TO A FLYER.

FINALLY, THIS POST IS NUMBERED 4, 356.. OR MAYBE 7 AND I HOPE IT BRINGS A SMILE.


Posted by: Very Happy  | August 6, 2007 10:16 AM

MS wrote...

I agree with vince

why can't the gazette set up polls for the fans to vote on issues, then maybe the boro may notice.

for weeks people complained about the possibility of losing the white band.

for just as long we were distraught at the thought of altering the badge.

why don't you do it? are you scared of upsetting boro? they surely won't stop talking to you not like there;s another newspaper round here.

LAMB OUT

**AV writes: I have covered all those issues you mentioned and more.

Posted by: MS  | August 6, 2007 10:31 AM

Very Happy wrote...

MS

THE BORO HAVE THEIR OWN PREMIERSHIP WEBSITE AND IT IS THEY WHO MUST TAKE THE LEAD IN SETTING UP
SUCH POLLS.

IT IS A GOOD IDEA, AND IT JUST MAY TAKE OFF.

**AV writes: Slowly step away from the caps lock key...

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 6, 2007 11:16 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

MS

There is little AV or the Gazette can do if nobody wants to listen, there is no sound unless someone can hear it.

The club have a severe outbreak of 'Not Invented Here Syndrome'. Normally this is the affliction of married couples or the workplace. The problem is that whilst we may change wifes/partners and our workplace it is almost impossible to stop supporting the Boro.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 6, 2007 11:21 AM

paul hart wrote...

Hi - spot on, as usual, from AV.

I was a season ticket holder from the last year at Ayresome through to the Eindhoven Final, when I thought 'that's as good as it's going to get'.

Didn't renew last year.

Did I miss it - NO.

Has the Boro done anything to remotely entice me back - NOT A CHANCE.

Posted by: paul hart  | August 6, 2007 11:25 AM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

Can't ever remember " Slowly step away from the cap lock keys", before!

You have had plenty on by the way.

So you slowly step away from making up your own menu and capitalise on that, because newspapers feed their readership that jargon everyday.

Unless you can tell me otherwise?

You have already had one Yellow Card off me for placing material things, before that of a human being over your silly-shirt-stirring-fiasco, so this post comes well RED.


Posted by: Very Happy  | August 6, 2007 12:17 PM

David Sedgwick wrote...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the ghost of Charlie Amer is stalking the corridoors of the Riverside.

I think Mr Lamb maybe he has been possesed by said ghost. Sorry if this causes offence, but like most people would say. Call it how you see it.

Posted by: David Sedgwick  | August 6, 2007 12:17 PM

Mainy wrote...

Please Please Please do not sell Morrison!!

We need a creative midfielder with pace, Morrison is a centre midfielder playing out wide, I'd give him a go up top nxt to the yak to be honest, I reckon he'd get a few.

If he goes, good luck to the lad and i will always remember my favourite moment of his was that perfect challenge he did on Ronaldo last year (you can still find that clip on youtube)!

If he goes i think you will see Greame Owens pushed on this year, he looks like a decent young lad and maybe Porritt will be pushed on this year too.

OK transfer news.... Sameras - hell no!!

Mark Breschinao could be on his way to Man City, we need to hijack that move, I also think we should move for Bouazza but Fulham seem to have got him.

Again ill mention Flamini at Arsenal just incase anybody who works for the club actually reads this and listens to the fans (very doubtful tho).

Finally, I didnt go to the match on Saturday, under 7000 there I believe, hope you took note Lamb. Dont need season tickets sales do you not? At least 3 qtrs of that crowd would have been season ticket holders. How do you plan selling out every match then Keith?

Like I said i didnt go to the match so listened to it on BBC Radio Cleveland, sorry I do apologise as it is BBC Tees as of 6pm next saturday as that seemed to be more important than commenting on the game.

The excitment in their voices was for all to hear, not one of them had a clue what was going on. My favourite part of the commentry was just before half time: ' The forth official is coming out with the board now to show how much extra time there is...*pause in commentry*....erm did you notice how long he put up as i was looking at the bench... no sorry I was watching the crowd'

Fantastic, I can see why they dumped centuary now!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mainy  | August 6, 2007 12:56 PM

Simon Smith wrote...

Well, Has Gibbo become the boy in the playground that wont let anybody play with his toys? He doesnt listen, comes out with total trash just before the season ticket deadline.

It seems as though he doesnt listen to anyone inside of the club either and does what he wants, he wont be told if it is going to be detrimental, and wont listen to the fans on anything. Time to move on Gibbo or back us like you did when Robbo was here.

Posted by: Simon Smith  | August 6, 2007 3:34 PM

Stevie Lynas wrote...

Here's the Blackburn ST pricing for you for this year (courtesy of my B'burn supporting mate):

For the equivalent of our North/South stand - £249 including free entry to all European home games.

For the equivalent of our West lower/East stand - £299 (All ST's include free entry to Europe games).

For the equivalent of our West Upper - £349.

Now THAT's what I call sensible pricing!

**AV writes: Blackburn's most expensive ticket for a category A game is £30. Boro's cheapest on the day ticket for a category A game is £31. Under-16s at Blackburn are £7 at all games and OAPs and concessions are a tenner.

Posted by: Stevie Lynas  | August 6, 2007 8:09 PM

CAPTAINPARMO wrote...

Hi Vic
spot on again my mate, blade right thru' to the bone, future fans !!?? I once queried - why doesn't the club segregate an area of the ground for school parties (teachers in tow) and fill that section for £5? Every club had a "boys end" in the 50's and 60's. Their answer was that it would cost the club something like £40k extra for policing and extra staff.

Now I am no maths genius, but I ask myself would these kids not need feeding and watering ? want programmes, want merchandise, yep !!

My Club are willing to part with £40k a week for players who are sat watching the match and not bothered whether they play or not, rather than attract future investors.

Posted by: CAPTAINPARMO  | August 7, 2007 1:06 PM

Jim Arnott wrote...

Is this the same 'Executive' keith lamb who was at Middlesbrough Football Club in the late 70's/early 80's i think (I was just a boy) when Boro produced scarves with the name 'BOROUGH' upon them?

He would have been fired many years ago by myself and I believe most other MD's would have done the same. Maybe its time to review this position Mr Gibson. Up the Boro!

Posted by: Jim Arnott  | August 7, 2007 8:39 PM

lee wrote...

superb article,keep up the good work AV.

Posted by: lee  | August 8, 2007 1:36 PM

Pete from Burra wrote...

Anthony Vickers article "Season Ticket Love In Is Over" is one of the most accurate, intelligent and thoughtful, and thought provoking articles ( sporting or not ) I have ever read.

Sorry Anthony , but I feel,we're destined to lose you to a top quality Daily Broadsheet. Well done.

If Anne Robinson came to MFC she would have no problem in identifying Lamb as the weakest link. Gibbo get rid of him and get the fans back.

**AV writes: I have not asked for a transfer and while it is flattering to be linked to a paper as big as top quality Daily Broadsheet it is only speculation. I am happy to be at the Evening Gazette and intend to honour my contract.

Posted by: Pete from Burra  | August 9, 2007 12:57 PM

laurence wrote...


I would like to give my view on o a few topics regarding the boro, ive been a season ticket holder for 12 years now, this season I think will be a struggle

I don’t believe we have strengthened enough, especially up front, after mark viduka leaving, im in a little disbelief that Gareth feels the squad is ok.

We are also still messing around with Mark Schwartzer’s contract, are we going to go down the same route as mark viduka.

Gareth has publicly told the fans that he needs to balance the boro books, why doesn’t he spend his time being a manager and not a accountant. this is not his job of balancing the books. does he think the fans are mugs?

we know how much money each premier club received this season, this the job of Steve Gibson and Keith lamb to take care of money business not his.

If we need to create revenue why don’t we get the replica
shirts on sale earlier, ive just been told that the home strip is going on sale at the end of the month, this should have been sorted earlier. We are the only premier club that has a delay on releasing the replica shirts.

I have just received my new season ticket and ive noticed that the covering letter was from Keith lamb not Steve Gibson I felt this was very strange, the fans a more in touch with Steve and not Keith.

One last thing I wanted to say is why don’t the long serving season ticket holders get rewarded more? where is the incentive for me to renew when I know I can buy a ticket match day, the only saving is a few pounds when buy a season ticket. Why can the club give a signed shirt for a long service reward? its time ALL clubs reward loyalty more.

Laurence

Posted by: laurence  | August 9, 2007 1:34 PM

Mal Graham wrote...

I got my first season ticket in 1965 when red books were something to do with China. Apart from the early to mid 80's when the club was completely upside down I've been solidly season ticket ever since, and I did get a ticket for Eindhoven by conventional means so no gripes there.

Because God put something VERY red in my blood I've renewed my season ticket yet again, despite seeing friends and even family who I thought were firmly within my sphere of influence drop out.

I cannot see a situation that would persuade me not to renew, having watched Boro against the likes of Workington Town, Scunthorpe United and Doncaster Rovers, just how low can you go.

So, my first thoughts are that not renewing a season ticket is an ungrateful act, disrespectful of Steve Gibson and the team of 1986, and lack of appreciation of the distance we have covered as a club since moving to the Riverside.

Then I listen to Keith Lamb.

I have every respect for the guy for the part he played in the signing of players like Juninho, Paul Merson, Gareth Southgate and many many others.

But he retains the ability to put his foot right in it, three points and all. His recent and latest comments show a real lack of tact, common sense and very little understanding of the fans current priorities.

Fans have 'fallen out' with the club for a variety of reasons. Relatively high ticket prices compared to the reductions seen elsewhere, every Boro game being shown live on TV at the pub, the prospect of another season of struggle, the job situation on Teesside etc.

It's now easier and cheaper to watch Boro games from outside the Riverside, and it's not just us, even Manchester United have put season tickets on general sale.

I still feel that for our medium size club, being established in the top league represents 'the good times'. However, I also feel that with the foreign takeovers taking place at even some 'less fashionable' clubs, the days when the resources Steve Gibson provides being able to take the club forward are swiftly coming to a close.

We are now falling behind financially the likes of Portsmouth, Manchester City, Aston Villa etc etc with the enevitable outcome. I could get burned at the stake as a heretic for saying this but maybe it's time someone with 'new money' was in charge.

Even though Steve Gibson will always be a hero, as with everything there comes a time. This is always assuming that there is someone out there who might be interested.

We can bang on all day about players, managers, tactics, entertainment, academy, Keith Lamb etc. But the only real issue is resource, money, the ability to compete in the buying of new players and paying of top wages to keep the one's we've got, home grown or bought in.

I just think that without a serious injection of cash the club will continue to wither away. The loss of season ticket income is another indication of the clubs demise and this further loss of revenue will just hasten the final outcome.

We really will end up with the team the area can afford and Keith Lamb will have been right all along.

Posted by: Mal Graham  | August 10, 2007 12:15 AM

Karl Watson wrote...

A totally embarrassing climb down by Keith Lamb today in the Gazette and another ridiculous rehash of we are the best club in the last "Keith Lamb chosen time restraint" .

You've already burned your bridges with a lot of people Mr Lamb and I no longer care what you you say or how much you patronise the Teesside public. I consider you to be an embarrassment to Middlesbrough FC.

Posted by: Karl Watson  | August 10, 2007 12:23 PM

Dave wrote...

This is just typical of the contempt that Middlesbrough Football Club has for it's supporters. All that is happening at MFC is that the players get richer, the club gets richer while we watch below average football every season.

Imagine how much money we have given the club prior to kick-off this season and how much have they invested in players? It's time they released accounts showing us exactly where the money goes.

Posted by: Dave  | August 11, 2007 1:54 PM

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