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Socceroo Shot-Stopper Is Badly Positioned

Posted by on July 5, 2007 8:57 AM | 

MARK SCHWARZER has picked a bad time for his contract brinksmanship. The golden oldie keeper wants a new deal to give him "security" up to the next World Cup in 2010 and has been rattling the cage Down Under to nudge the club into action.

The Socceroo shot-stopper has just 12 months to go on his current deal and you can't blame him for looking to the future but thinly veiled threats that he will let his contract run down and walk away on a free - "doing a Viduka" as it is now known on Teesside - if he does not get what he wants will force the club into making some tough decisions at a time when several underlying factors are starting to conspire against him.

The Golden Oldie - he wants a deal to take him up to the age of 37 - is raising the stakes at a time when the club is taking a conscious turn to youth and to players who are committed and want to play for the club .... and a time when there are a lot of quality keepers on the market.

The Aussie outlined the situation succinctly and honestly in the Oz press, to much gnashing and wailing among supporters back home, many who have long ambiguous about his ability.

"What I want to do is be settled and have my future settled up until the next World Cup and the question is whether that will happen at Middlesbrough or somewhere else. I've got to the stage where I've been at Middlesbrough for 10½ years and I've given them very good loyalty and service. If that means I need to move on and go elsewhere, then that's not a problem, I'll do so."
"There's a lot of factors involved. I've got one year left on my contract, so if they don't want to let me go they don't have to accept any transfer fee for me. By the same token, we don't need to agree to a new contract and come January, I can talk to anyone I want to within Europe."

That's fair enough. Everyone knows the moves of the ritual dance when the clock ticks down on a contract. If he doesn't get what he wants he will move - and to underline the reality of that threat and claim some moral high-ground he invoked the case of compatriot Mark Viduka.

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Boro took a high-risk approach to the striker contract and did not make a concrete offer of a new deal in his final year, preferring instead to hold out the possibility of a bumper contract as a motivational tool, a strategy that proved succesful on the pitch and brought a storming finale to the season from the Aussie but which ultimately failed to prevent him moving despite a belated and generous offer of almost £60,000 a week. The approach had been used the year before with George Boateng when Boro let his contract run out then made a once and only full and final offer and told him 'if you can get better, then go'. You win some, you lose some.

"I've taken it to be quite normal at Middlesbrough, they do leave things very, very late and they tend to do things only when they're under pressure to do something. It's unfortunate because it's not just with me, it's with other players like Mark. You would think with the more experienced players and the important players in the squad you would look to tie them down earlier and not let things drag on but for some reason, and unbeknown to most of us, Middlesbrough tend to leave it until very late to sort it out. "

There is an element of playing to the gallery in those quotes. Rather than it being "unbeknown" to the players, in fact the dressing room are well awarer of the club's stance. And he will no doubt be aware of the nature of the club's offer to Viduka. Boro certainly weren't forcing the striker into penury and at the end of the day it was his choice to leave. Schwarzer appears to be trying to use the widespread discontent over the Viduka saga and his departure to one of the Boro's most bitter rivals to twist the club's arm a bit, and you can't blame him for that but it may have been ill-advised for him to talk so openly.

Going public is a double-edged sword as while many will think he has a valid point about Boro's negotiating position just as many will have their hackles raised by some of his comments - and indeed by his frequent reference to Boro as them rather than us - and will not take kindly to seeing the club held to ransome, especially by one of the better paid players. And certainly not by one who already divides opinion.

The timing is all wrong for Schwarzer to be involved in a public raising of the stakes. Firstly, the club is has made a recent high-profile statement of intent about the type of players it wants as Gareth Southgate carries out his own revolution: younger players with a hunger and passion for the game and a commitment to Boro. "Players who want to play for Middlesbrough Football Club and who are past their best and just here for a pay day" as Keith Lamb explained and Steve Gibson later underlined. In short, the very people Mark Schwarzer will be negotiating with have already made a mental leap to a new demographic at Boro.

Secondly, it comes at a time when the club are wheeling and dealing in order to reshuffle the pack. Yakubu is a key player yet there are plenty of hints that he may well be sacrificed to release the funds to rebuild the team in other areas. If there are so many balls in the air and demands on resources the prospect of Schwarzer being a chip to be cashed in may even help . If he has threatened to do a Viduka and leave for nothing next Summer it may force the club's hand and prompt them to sell now - he may realise £1m-£2m - in order to fund his own replacement.

Schwarzer has been a great servant to the club and his statistics make him a brilliant value for money buy. He has played in two Wembley finals, was outstanding in the Cardiff cup triumph, made a penalty save from Robbie Fowler at Manchester City that clinched a first ever European qualification and was key to keeping Boro on the road to Eindhoven with brilliant displays at Rome and Bucharest.
His contribution and ability was spelled out by Southgate earlier this year as he clocked up ten years at the club and it is hard to disagree that he has been a great player.

But there are plenty of keepers up for grabs right now who offer just as much and who are younger, hungrier and, crucially, represent a better investment over the next three years. Jerzy Dudek is available on a free, Jussi Jaskelinien is going cheap and Scott Carson could possibly be lured away for £3m. Carlo Cudicini could be rescued from Chelsea reserves. All would be better long term prospects for a club looking to launch a new era than an ageing custodian who is "not sure what he's doing at the moment" and who thinks leaving the club that has given him glory and riches for a decade is "not a problem".

Such a nonchalent appraisal of his position at the club will not go down well with passionate fans who care beyond cold blooded employment realities and who make an unconditional emotional investment. They expect the players to be heroes: to fight and belief and show steel and spirit in the service of the club. They make a fetish of commitment. Where they will tolerate - just - a player of questionable ability who busts a gut they will not accept a talented one without the heart for the fight who thinks he is doing the club a favour by being there.

Which makes the timing and insenstivity of his ill-judged Aussie outburst all the more incredible because it is those passionate fans that Schwarzer will be expecting to fork out for his testimonial tickets and ultimately pay his wages. For all his years of service he now faces a backlash from some sections of the crowd and has made himself the boo-boy elect.

He has already blotted his copy-book once after slapping in a transfer request in January 2006, a dummy spitting incident that followed hot on the heels of a dressing down from Steve McClaren and being dropped in favour of Aussie understudy Brad Jones following a poor punch handed Newcastle a late leveller as the relegation battle hotted up.

Back then he made it clear he expected to be quickly snapped up and he was widely "linked" with Arsenal and Manchester United. In fact the only club who inquired were then struggling Portsmouth who quickly backed off when they found out how much he was being paid. With no takers before the transfer window closed he ate humble pie and came off the list and to be fair, upped his performance levels and was among the best of the bunch in the UEFA Cup run.

Despite a "link" with Bayern Munich it is hard to see how the transfer geography has changed too much. There will no doubt be interest if he did make noises about moving but would it be from clubs at the same level? Would they pay the same wages? And would he get the three years he needs to take him through to the 2010 World Cup? I doubt it.

Which raises another point. He said there had been some interest. Look...

"My agent is in discussions with Middlesbrough and they've indicated that they want to offer me a new contract, but as yet we haven't agreed to any terms. Plus there is interest from other clubs – one or two in England but a couple from abroad as well."

How can that be? He is not on the transfer list. No one has agreed a fee. Surely any such contact from another club, no matter how superficial, would constitute an illegal approach?

Comments (76)

Ian Gill wrote...

The ritualistic contract dance.

I am quite relaxed about Schwarzer. If he stays good, if he leaves lets move on. He is reaching the later years in his career and whilst, unlike some, I dont blame him for every goal we let in he is not going to improve.

I am sure the blog will be inundated with Swarz baiters so will leave them to disect his performances. My worry would be the effect he may have at the club following the 'taken out of context' comments.

If he is likely to unsettle anyone get rid though I am sure most players are bothered about number one. Ross Turnbull and Jason Steele must be rubbing their hands at the chance to stake their claims whilst Swarz and Jones are away.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 5, 2007 1:22 PM

Its fitz wrote...

To be fair i think this time the big man has gone to far this time. The boro faithful have stuck by him for many and year now and, like AV says, wot stupid time to spit your dummy out again

i remember a few occasions when he wasnt perfoming at his best and people like crossley were stepping in and doing a better job, and still he was stuck by.

So I say let him go find another club and why not go for one of the two keepers, who in my mind where two of best around before they were made second choice by yonger models, cudicini and dudek

Posted by: Its fitz  | July 5, 2007 2:33 PM

Martin wrote...

I say let him go. He is simply disrupting the team. We don't need players who speak out like this and Schwarzer seems to be doing it a lot.

When Viduka kept saying he didn't know what was happening with his contract, I felt we should have stopped trying to keep him. We need players who are hungry to play for Boro.

Tuncay Sanli for example. It took all of a couple of days for him to sign up with us and I think he genuinely wants to play for Boro and is excited at the chance he has got.

Posted by: Martin  | July 5, 2007 2:36 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

I agree with Ian Gill and your general thrust BUT I also can't help agreeing with Old Scissorhands comments about the way the club does business.

We could hardly disagree when this blog and the Gazette MB has been littered with much the same kind of comments from all of us - many times.

His problem is him saying it - not leaving the club enough rope to hang themselves - the evidence is they always do.

Whilst Turnbull and Steele may be rubbing their hands, Ian, neither they nor (certainly) Brad Jones are anywhere near ready (and in Brad Jones' case I don't think he will ever be) to step up to the first team.

So if yet another Aussie goes we need a new goalie too.

Talking about what else we need new - box to box midfielder, wide right midfielder and a right back (and maybe a new striker) - well, it's more not talking at the moment isn't it.

And while we're not doing other folks are moving on. We've let Stephen Davis go to Fulham and Jagielka to Everton.

No sign of the Icelandic fullback being nailed.

And on the striker front - Smith was back from Dubai a couple of days ago, fee agreed with ManUre and strikers coming in to Old Trafford like it's going out of fashion. Have we secured him or done a Keano and withdrawn our offer and moved on - have we heck-as-like.

About the same level of activity and success as on the shirts and sponsorship deal.

And messages in today's Gazette articles that seem to have moved from 'spectacular' down to almost - 'that's all there is'.

Still, I'm sure I'll be inundated with 'take a chill-pill' or, despite all the evidence to the contrary, 'there's a masterplan being hatched it's just that you don't know about it' messages from the People's Popular Front for Pollyanna.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 5, 2007 2:48 PM

norman cater wrote...

Get rid of him, quite simply

Posted by: norman cater  | July 5, 2007 2:54 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Schwarzer has been a good keeper during a period of time when Boro have had unprecedented success.

However at 34 he is not going to get any better, and as he seems to be getting more of a disruptive influence within the squad it is time for him to move on.

As for his agent having discussions with other clubs, well this seems to be the norm now if you believe all that in divulged in the media.

My choice as a replacement would be Scott Carson.

Is it a coincidence or are the Aussies becoming a nation of whingers?

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 5, 2007 2:59 PM

CL wrote...

Maybe we haven't rushed to offer him a bumper contract because he doesn't figure in our long term plans? Think about that before blabbing to the press Arnie.

Posted by: CL  | July 5, 2007 3:25 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

John

Not saying that there is no truth in what he is saying, at this stage in his career it will be his last move and it would not harm us to bring in a new keeper.

I certainly dont think Jones is the man to replace him, too many goofs in his career to fill me with confidence.

On players still to come in, Gates comments seem to indicate August deals. That tends to rule out the spectacular unless a biggish name has his nose pushed out of joint by late moves.

What we do not want is last minute, never mind the quality, sign him cos he is available. Euell know the type of player I mean.

We still have the right sided problem, I can still see Yak leaving. Add in Swarz and we need 3-4 players. There appears little likelihood of them being on board well in advance of the opening match to bed in.

As usual we await MFC proving us wrong, the early aquisiton of Tuncay and Aliadiere was well done to Lamb and co. Lets hope it wasnt a false dawn.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 5, 2007 3:36 PM

JK wrote...

Where's Darren Acton when you need him!

Swap him for schwarzer....
Swap him for schwarzer....
Swap him for schwarzer......

Posted by: JK  | July 5, 2007 3:36 PM

Shaun wrote...

I said let him go when he first throw his toys out the pram weeks ago. We don't need players spouting off to the press because they're yet to be offered a new contract.

I take the point about the way the club are doing business, but maybe Schwarzer just doesn't feature in the long-term plans?

Get him cashed in, stick another few quid to what we get and fetch in Carson.

I've had it with players who conduct their business through the press but expect us to throw our cash at them still.

Thanks for your service Mark, the doors on the left mate...

Posted by: Shaun  | July 5, 2007 4:10 PM

geoff wrote...

No matter where the whinger goes its his last contract. At 34 there wont be many offer's people will see when his contract is about up he starts whinging.

As ive said before jones aint up too the job so sell him to lower league and go for either Carson, Dudek or Cudicini. They would love first team footie and might not whinge and unsettle the dressing room.

As yet we still need a wide right player but I for one that think GS is getting there. Coops was the reserve coach and it was good footie a defender by trade but with attack in mind.
AV heard anything of the new shirt or sponsers

Posted by: geoff  | July 5, 2007 7:05 PM

davidt wrote...

Good service and loyalty,Yuk, whose he kidding. Why do these footballers continue to talk so much c--p? They really do live in a sort of twilight world, believing all football supporters are thick and know nothing about the game.

I personally would have more respect if these part timers came out of their ivory towers for a moment and told the truth; that is that they are greedy, opportunistic money grabbers who have no feeling for their clubs or supporters

At best Schwarzer is a good keeper but never exceptional. Although his poor kicking has improved his punching is pathetic and on the ground he still can't hold onto the ball.

With the Boro he earns a fabulous living(certainly beats Sheep Sheering! in Ossie). Boro should make their offer and look around for a quality keeper to bring in either in Jan or next summer.

I agree with some of the above ,Brad Jones doesnt seem to be the answer , not yet at least, and we don't want to end up with another Ben Roberts scenario.

GET REAL SCHWARZER or GO.

Posted by: davidt  | July 5, 2007 7:45 PM

albert smith wrote...

I do not usually comment on any players rants however schwarzer takes the fans tolerance to the limit. I say thank you and goodbye as a very long time supporter and ticket holder. if I said anything like that about my employer I would be out on my ear with no chance of getting next weeks wage.

Posted by: albert smith  | July 5, 2007 9:02 PM

Mohd Alan wrote...

AV

Surely Schwarzer does not fit into GS's plans of looking for younger, hungrier and more committed players?

Why should he expect a new contract based on his ten loyal years service, forgive me if I am wrong but he was paid sufficiently well for his loyalty and that loyalty would have evaporated had another club come in for him.

He is not going to get any better and his errors are going to get costlier. You say "he was outstanding in the Cardiff cup final". Yes I agree - what an outstanding howler he let in at the near post.

Either use him as makeweight to sign a new keeper, there are plenty available as you say, or let him see his contract out.

Incidentally if my memory serves me correct the last time that Steve Gibson said we were going to make a "spectacular'" signing , again around the time of season ticket renewal, we got Dean Windass, and he threw in a sickie straight away, putting his gear in the boot of his car.

Posted by: Mohd Alan  | July 6, 2007 3:26 AM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

In some respects I can see the message in what Schwarzer is saying.

The club has consistently failed to shine in contract dealings with players and agents going right back to the Robbo era, the Spotty German and Zenden to name but two.

And if we were so sure we wanted Viduka to stay why didn't we offer him an extension at the end of season 2005-6 when his agent was courting the Skunks then?

However, Schwarzer is at best a competent keeper, certainly by no means outstsanding and if he had have been then he wouldn't be here now but playing for one of the big 4.

So if he wants to go then let him, so long as we bring in someone who fits the bill. Jones is definitely not the answer, he makes more gaffs than Schwarz at his worst (did you see his howler in the Oz friendlky with Uruguay?), and we haven't seen enough of Turnbull at the top level to allow anyone to make a judgement, and that I am sure will include Southgate.

My choice for a replacement would definitely be Cudicini, if we can prise him away from Chelsea and life in the capital. Dudek has PL experience and can be brilliant on his day, but he is another who drops huge clangers every now and again.

All in all I'm sure Gate could have done without all this whilst trying to plug the holes in other areas of the team.

Schwarzer's outburst is badly timed and smacks of Viduka gobbing off whilst they have been together on international duty.

So what does Schwarzer really expect the club to do, even if Lamby and co don't do it very well, they are hardly likely to offer him film star wages at his age are they? He's got a year left, so why all the hype now?

Get rid Gate and go and talk Italian with Cudicini.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | July 6, 2007 8:50 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

As an aside on transfers it is interesting that the premier league are worried about the Tevez transfer to Man U in case the money gets paid to a third party (otherwise known as his owners) rather than the Hammers.

Mr Joorwhatever he is called was obviously delighted when West Ham ripped up the contract and will be only too pleased to waive any rights to payment. I am off to the garage to tell them I am ripping up my loan agreement for the car and I am sure they will be over the moon as well.

It gets smellier and smellier.

**AV writes: The PL will be terrified of this mooted transfer revealing a cash trail right back to MSI that will contradict West Ham's assurances to the panel that the third party agreement had been terminated.

Sheffield United will be watching very closely indeed.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 6, 2007 9:06 AM

Nigel wrote...

I'm with Ian Gill on this one, it would be fine if Schwarzer accepted a new contract and stayed but if not it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I don't believe Schwarzer is in a strong bargaining position given as AV points out there are a lot of good keepers around. If he thinks he will have the leverage of viduka then he's daft.

I would be very surprised if he doesn't stay as I can't see where a better offer will come from. He's been a great keeper for Boro and I'd like to see him stay but we certainly don't need to beg him...........

Posted by: Nigel  | July 6, 2007 9:10 AM

Holgate Ender wrote...

arnie has been the best boro keeper ever but he wont get any younger. i wish he would shut his gob sometimes about how much money he wants and how good he reckons he is. keep it behind closed doors.

the club shoudl just sell now and get a few bob in to buy carson or juskleinnnen.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | July 6, 2007 9:37 AM

alf wrote...

It's just a big game of poker. We assume what we read in the media is what really goes on. It takes 2 to tango and boro are not always mr nice guy themselves.

I wouldn't take to seriously these comments. Problem these days a footballer can answer a few questions to a newspaper on the other side of the world and when he wakes up next day its big news back in the UK. Example of how powerful the global media is now. I blame SSN.

Who can blame him for wanting to get things sorted out in plenty of time? We would all do the same if we worked on short contracts.

He has been a loyal servant over 10 years and the best keeper boro have ever had and i hold no grudges if he wants to get the best deal he can where ever at this stage of his career.

It would be a shame if the fans turned against him now. But i suppose that sums up how the modern football fan works.

good luck to him what ever he decides

Posted by: alf  | July 6, 2007 10:49 AM

dave wrote...

Looks like the anti schwarzer fan base is starting to gain momentum. They might end up forcing him out which is what they want.

Problem is that brad jones is not the answer and cheap keepers do not grow on trees. I see schwarzer being the boo boy target next season. For some reason a lot of boro fans have never taken to him but i am never sure why. Even viduka,christie and massimoseemed more popular.

Maybe boro fans just hate rejection.

Posted by: dave  | July 6, 2007 11:02 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

It is one of my recurring themes that we expect footballers to do things we wouldnt do ourselves. We would all turn down the chance of a good promotion and pay rise if offered - not!

The whole issue gets played out in the press but as I posted earlier as far as I am concerned, if he stays good and if he leaves we were going to need another keeper shortly anyway. I would say thanks for efforts and good luck as long as he doesnt slag us once he has left.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 6, 2007 11:02 AM

Mish1975 wrote...

'But i suppose that sums up how the modern football fan works.'

A modern football fan wants the best for the club. A modern footballer wants the best for himself!

Posted by: Mish1975  | July 6, 2007 11:33 AM

alf wrote...

"A modern football fan wants the best for the club. A modern footballer wants the best for himself!"

So hounding out schwarzer and turning against him is doing the best for the club? Get rid of any player that dares to negotiate a new contract with the club. How dare he not accept the first offer on the table.

Posted by: alf  | July 6, 2007 11:56 AM

Ian Pidgeon wrote...

If any player believes that they can better their working conditions, pay and length of contract, fine they have the right to request a transfer, see out their contract or sign a new one.

What i don't like is the engineering of a move. Without asking for one directly so they don't lose the loyalty bonus.

So If MS or any other player wishes to leave, stick in the request, if anyone wants them they'll pay a reasonable price and life goes on. If they don't want to do that they should just accept their lot and put in their shift like the rest of us.

Posted by: Ian Pidgeon  | July 6, 2007 12:36 PM

Scott Duncan wrote...

So he wants a bumper new deal because of his 10 years service to our club?

I think we should just give him whatever he wants!! In the same respect, I believe Liverpool should still pay Ian Rush, Arsenal should still pay Ian Wright and Everton should still be paying Dave Watson.

Congratulations on your 10 years service at our club Mark, but why should we pay you extra because of it? I am sure you have been paid handsomely during those 10 years!

Im like everyone else on here, bring in Carson or Cudicini, or even tempt Wigan with a move for Kirkland. Anything is better than another whining Australian in our ranks!

Posted by: Scott Duncan  | July 6, 2007 1:12 PM

Lee wrote...

You cant blame a player for trying to get the best deal forthemselves, but MS has gone the wrong way about it.

He has now alienated even more fans, and he will surely suffer the consequences next season when he will become the favourite boo-boy.

MS must either be deluded or just not very bright if he thinks he is in a strong bargaining position, I can't see any club coming in for him and offering him a long contract and big wages at his age, and the club know that.

I think the club should make him sweat a bit by not offering him a contract until the end of next season, so he will have to play out of his skin for either a new deal or to get another club, then we can deal with the goalkeeping situation next season.

Posted by: Lee  | July 6, 2007 1:46 PM

Stephen wrote...

care to explain how cudicini will be a 'better long term prospect' given that he's only one year younger than schwarzer?

Posted by: Stephen  | July 6, 2007 2:00 PM

Nigel wrote...

Alf I think the point is not daring to turn down the first offer but to publicly state his so called dissatisfaction, which was unnecessary and I can't imagine Boro suddenly uping their offer simply because he has gone public.

I don't think this is a big deal, he has a year left on his contract if he leaves at the end of next season it wouldn't be the end of the world. My guess is a deal will be done.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 6, 2007 2:12 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Schwarzer

That chat you had with Kangaroo Kid has now sent you hopping mad.

But, you have done us so proud on many occasions. That penalty save against Manchester City which sent us into Europe was top draw, to name but one.

There again, you have dropped many a howler over the years and still laughed all the way to the bank, which shows the other side of the coin.

I bet that mouse in your right hand is having a good giggle at that one, because people in all forms of entertainment are dead nosey and love to surf the turf.

If the club can sign a less wrinkled keeper on a long term contract, it would be another smart move in my own opinion.

Your agent has come on a ton by the way, because the last time you felt a restless, he could not even find you a golf club.

Other agents will be touting their goalies and to better you, is a mere formality.

However, if the club are hell bent on success, THEN they must exit any signs of virus the very moment it appears.

**AV writes: So do you think I am back on message then?

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 6, 2007 2:14 PM

alf wrote...

Funny thing is i remember agents for boateng, downing, rocky's dad and many others commenting in the press too. But they seem to get away with it a lot more than schwarzer. Infact i think rockembach behaved a lot worse last season.

**AV writes: I can't remember any issues around Downing. Plenty of rumours and whispers but no attempts to use the press as a negotiating tool.

Posted by: alf  | July 6, 2007 2:28 PM

alf wrote...

We are talking about the time just as he broke into the first team and he said he was contemplating moving but got persuaded by his father to give it another season..or something along those lines. i think he it was about the time mendieta got injured so zenden moved more central and downing got his chance.

**AV writes: But none of that came out at the time and it wasn't contract related anyway, it was when McClaren waas trying to sell him.

Despite what was happening Downing stayed schtumm. There were lots of whispers on the Teesside grapevine (his dad grabbing Mac by the throat etc) but the story only came out publicly two years later when Mac had gone.

Posted by: alf  | July 6, 2007 2:35 PM

Ken Barlow wrote...

I agree Schwarzer is seemingly Teesside Public Enemy no 1 at the moment but he has said nothing compared to Rochemback (who should be shot). Its silly the fans decide who they like and dont on a whim.

On a tangent can AV try and find some news on the season ticket sales. Im sick of people denying they are in the 15,000s. Its pretty sad.

Posted by: Ken Barlow  | July 6, 2007 2:53 PM

John D wrote...

Schwartzer

When are these overpaid, moderately talented football millionaires going to get real?

Most football supporters - people who pay out their hard-earned cash to watch these Prima Donna's -are lucky to have 3 months job security on a fraction of the wages that he is on - and without the guarantee that any mistakes they make won't cost them their jobs.

How many other people have jobs which reward them so well for mediocrity and failure? Schwartzer has 12 months of guaranteed, highly lucrative earnings in front of him whether he performs well or not.

To start bleating about a new contract at this stage of the season, without having done anything of late to justify it, is not only disruptive but also laughable.

If he doesn't really want to play for the Boro, they should move him on and bring in someone who does!

Posted by: John D  | July 6, 2007 3:36 PM

red_rebel wrote...

I can't see what Schwarzer has to gain by going public with this now. He says he wants to stay. There is a year to go. Boro have only made their opening offer in what will presumably be a lengthy process.

So why blab to the press slating the club's record of leaving things late and talking about running his deal down?

It strikes me as a provocation, raising the stakes early so the club feel it may be better to sell rather than lose him on a free. Then there is talk about other clubs who have been in contact... it feels to me that he wants to leave and may even already have a club lined up but doesn't want to ask for a transfer as he will miss out on "loyalty" bonuses.

He is a good keeper but whatever he thinks is NOT one of the best in the world, or even the Premier League. He is one of a group of maybe six or eight good keepers who are all but interchangable. To swap him for Hahnemann, Jaaskaleinen, Friedel or even Sorenson would not make a great deal of difference and that make him easy to replace.

I think he has overplayed his hand and don eit too early.

Posted by: red_rebel  | July 6, 2007 3:42 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Wonderful article, Vic. By and large I'm a Schwarzer fan - he's been a great shot-stopper for years. But I also have my doubts - his kicking has improved beyond doubt now (remember a few years back when he couldn't kick 30 yards some days), but he has never been one to dominate his box by coming for crosses.

He's starting to age. And I don't agree that he had an outstanding game at Cardiff. Fair enough, he kept us in the game later on, but he also let slip Kevin Davies' tame shot to spark a Bolton fightback when Boro were well on top.

My view now is that we should sell him in the January window, cash in and get someone younger and more committed.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 6, 2007 3:47 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Changing the subject, playmates, I want to pick up John Powls 'point. I'm obviously not alone in thinking that transfer talk has gone ominously quiet.

What happened to the other "spectacular signings" Gibbo promised us a few weeks ago? He surely didn't mean Alan Smith or Gretar Steinsson?

Where are the right-sided midfielder and the box-to-box midfield engine-man we need so deperately? Will we have to sell Yak to meet these needs?

I hope not, for one thing, I want him to partner Tuncay. For another, by the time any deal is sorted out with Flash Harry or the Man City turnip it will be far too late to get good new players in. So come on Boro, give us a glimmer of hope that we have at least got some targeted new blood.

Mohd Alan - I have it on good authority that Dean Windass ricked his back lifting not his gear but a crateful of ale and pies into his car boot!

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 6, 2007 4:08 PM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

Yes, you are back on song and I am singing to, because your feature is brilliantly worded.

I read your every word and I know Gareth is now on the site, because he jumped aboard the “Goals coming from every position”, which lit your board first and foremost.

Far too much of a coincidence for that to happen overnight.If he signs Kanu this week, then I would like to go halves with you on a lottery ticket.

**AV writes: It's nice to hit the right note... but I reserve the right to be hopelessly off key every now and again.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 6, 2007 4:43 PM

kinomuchi wrote...

let schwarzer go...

only if a club willing to buy him..
don't give him away for free..
he's a human..
he too have feelings though..

& pls pls pls buy cudicini..
i've been his admire since i was 10..!!

Posted by: kinomuchi  | July 6, 2007 7:20 PM

kinomuchi wrote...

& after a long list of targets..

what happen to zoltan gera's saga..??
vladmir bystrov's story..??
kerlon's happy ending..??
& martin lejsal's episodes..?

they used to be boro's most wanted rite..?

**AV writes: No. Of those the only one the club have ever mentioned officially is Gera, and even that was in a very non-committed "if the price was right" kind of way.

You shouldn't confuse tabloid rumours, often started by agents with an agenda, as any kind of statement of intent.

Posted by: kinomuchi  | July 6, 2007 7:37 PM

Brian Abbott wrote...

He is unsettled so let him go........he has done well for us over the years but let's face it he has also cost us dearly at times, he's not exactly a world beater just above average.....swap him for Cudicini, now he is World Class!!

Posted by: Brian Abbott  | July 7, 2007 7:29 AM

Parmo Green wrote...

Assuming he has been earning an average of £15,000 a week, his ten years at Boro have netted Schwarzer something in the region of £7m-£8m. If he hasn't got himself some 'security' out of that lot he doesn't deserve anymore.

He has been well-paid for his time on Teesside, so why does he think that entitles him to a big contract. Footballers, as a general rule, don't get any better after the age of 30 so he really should be expecting to be paid less as he gets older.

If he doesn't want to play for the club, or thinks he can do better elsewhere then let him go. Any club only needs players who are committed to the cause. As for Mark Viduka going to Newcastle, I think that will work out better for the Aussie than Barcode United.He will get his money while they, in all probability, will have another mediocre season and Sam Allardyce will get the sack.

Posted by: Parmo Green  | July 7, 2007 8:21 AM

Very happy wrote...

AV

Theoretically, Schwarzer has now played the joker:

He has definitely not asked for a transfer in principle, but most definitely notified the whole world he is leaving the club, via the media.

Just like Joey Barton did. £££££££££££££££££££££££

“Agent based syndrome” could well be its best description, but that is not an allegation.

Schwarzer’s only line at the club now, is that of being “JUST ONE GREEDY GIT”, which will become a stinging trademark, sung by fans at every club in the course of time.

Gareth should tell him to collect his gear & stay away from the club until the remedy is seen. That is another positive step forward, because it reverses’ ridicule immediately.

There are lots of keepers out there, but I don’t know who is available, so maybe others on the board can throw some names into the hat, because that would be welcomed info.

Posted by: Very happy  | July 7, 2007 11:52 AM

Redcar Red wrote...

Schwarzer has done a reasonable job in ten years or so on Teesside and been well paid for it. At Mark's age another 12 months with Boro puts his age in serious question for a long term deal with any club so to be fair this is his last serious career contract.

Schwarz has had some real horrors, the gaff at Cardiff and who can forget White Hart Lane! His punching generally is woeful and for the first 5 years he couldn't reach the half way line from his goal kicks, constantly putting us under pressure.

In fairness he has also had some memorable games and he made up for Cardiff in the same game later on and we will never forget the Fowler penalty save which will live on in Boro folklore for decades to come.

Like all love affairs the passion just fizzles out with nobody to blame, it happens over time. What was once exciting becomes stale and mundane. Its now time for all parties to move on, thanks Mark and good luck!

I recommend we let both Joey's skip away bringing in just one Keeper. Gordon from Hearts is more likely to fit the profile Gates is looking to build with rather than a Cudicini or Dudek. We could then save on Brad's wage and give Turnbull the deputy shirt.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | July 7, 2007 1:11 PM

Diasboro wrote...

Is he really be being so inflammatory? He's rubbed a lot a people up the wrong way by refering to Boro as 'they', but is that so wrong if you're addressing an audience of Aussies who mostly have no affinity with English football clubs?

Other than that, and his false memory of Cardiff (already pointed out above), I see nothing to disagree with in what AV has said.

Posted by: Diasboro  | July 7, 2007 2:44 PM

andy wrote...

Just let him go plenty of up and coming keepers to choose from who would jump at the chance of premiership football.

Posted by: andy  | July 7, 2007 5:54 PM

pauline johnson wrote...

Hi Anthony

Have to declare that I'm not one of MS biggest fans. I think Crossley was badly treated by SM. However, I do have to say that MS was better last season. Less errors than previously. I would rather we went for Gordon from Hearts to replace MS.

I know that we require more players, and the right side of midfield remains a huge problem. Could be that Dong Gook Lee or Aliadiere will prove effective there?

I don't see Alan Smith as an answer either. If we want the Icelandic right back why haven't we put in a bid? Could be this is just paper talk?

I assume that GS is working hard in the background to secure the players he wants. As others have commented, please don't take the last man standing.

Regards
Pauline

Posted by: pauline johnson  | July 7, 2007 10:10 PM

pat mcdonough wrote...

Schwarzer slates Boro about the "way they go about their business" in reference to delaying contract talks, especially in the case of Viduka, but who can blame Boro for not offering Viduka a new contract during the 2005-2006 season?

The jury was still out on the guy. He played well only 1 in 5 games, he was often injured, he was overweight, and he took stick from the fans during the black days after the 0-4 Villa massacre. How would them same fans had felt if Boro then turned around and offered him £60,000 a week and new contract?

Viduka played consistently well at the back end of last season, because he was in the shop window. Had he applied himself similarly across his full term with Boro, he would still be here.

Good player, when it suits him. Good riddance.

Posted by: pat mcdonough  | July 8, 2007 7:05 AM

Very Happy wrote...

Schwarzer holds another very lucrative position at Middlesbrough Football Club, which also must be corrected.

Regardless of his performances, good or bad, his position was guaranteed. No more emphasised than when he was injured and Mark Crossley was handed the shirt.

He performed first class for quite a period, but as soon as Schwarzer could walk about in his slippers, free of financial pain, Crossley got his legs pulled from underneath him.

I was always led to believe that when one’s chance came along it was ?

If you play for a top club and make one hideous mistake alone, then the person plying for your position is handed the shirt, to punish one’s lack of awareness.

Just like when the Yak was dropped towards the end of last season, because he left his heart in San Francisco and also his boots.

Steve Gibson wants Europe, so he has a lot of points to put right, before they can be won.

If you want to be a winner then you must be utterly ruthless, in the nicest of ways and not look back, or dice with loyalty.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 8, 2007 11:47 AM

k beckett wrote...

think it's time to go m s bring in cudi from chelsea younger and a better keeper. and you never were loyal as you spat your dummy out and asked for a transfer because you were dropped two years ago.

Posted by: k beckett  | July 8, 2007 6:28 PM

Mainy wrote...

Schwarzer - he comes out complaining in the press that he has had no contract offer, boro offer him a contract a few days later, Schwarzer turns it down. How can he complain now, we gave him an offer, he said no.

Sorry but his ' loyalty' was shown right there & as for his loyalty bonus for not requesting a transfer, he can stick that where the sun dont shine as although he has since signed an extension, he has put in a request during his time here so for me, no bonus.

Jones is not the answer to replace him and neither is cudicini (who everyone claims is a world class keeper, he struggles to play for chelsea reserves and i dont even think he has an international cap to his name).

Scott Carson fits my profile of young english players i want to see us sign, however i dont really think he is that good, for me he didnt even stand out last season in a struggling charlton side.

I would take a chance on Ben Foster, he is out injured at mo but he is worth a gamble, if not now do it in jan transfer window. If not Kudacek at man u is a good young keeper id like to see us sign.

Thats enough about keepers from me, transfer talk, Mohammed Kallon for £1.4 million i read today, id snap him up straight away.

Right back, personally id be happy for Mcmahon, Davies and Hines to fight it out however, although he doesnt fit the criteria, what about stephen carr at newcastle, with them signing geremi, he maybe available on a free or for a very low fee, i think he would be worth a shout. He is only 31 and he is still a decent defender and aint afraid to get forward and have a crack at goal.

Right Midfield, well news out today is that Lee Hendrie is claiming we are after him. Again, that aint a bad shout for me, i thought we should have signed him 6 years ago but i would still take him now and then hopefully with some real competition for his place, Morrison will up his game and win back the position he deserves in my opinion.

Posted by: Mainy  | July 8, 2007 7:03 PM

Chris Gibson wrote...

He's been a good keeper for us, possibly our best ever but do you think that his loyalty and service will bring as warm a reception as good old Pearsy got in the last game at Ayresome? Can you imagine Pearsy slagging off the club in the press?

On a different note, we're linked to Lee Hendrie. Not exactly spectular but the lad has played for England and might give us a different option in midfield. He is 30 now, he still looks 13. I'm talking about a Hendrie for Boro and singing the praises of Pearsy. I'm getting old.

Posted by: Chris Gibson  | July 8, 2007 7:15 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Chris Gibson

Many Villa fans loved Lee Hendrie. That Irish oaf O’Leary, ridiculed the lad, but he kept his spirits going, which was the main thing.

He is a bit baby faced, which is probably why he has trouble getting into a pub. However, I think his flair would be an asset to the club and go along with your shout.

I read a mention of Schwarzer joining a German club who have qualified for next season’s Champions league today.

He couldn’t catch Stan Boardman’s chips in that company.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 8, 2007 9:27 PM

tonyblack wrote...

I'm with the big aussie on this one. Everyone knows that I cant stand keith bloody lamb and i always hear how hes lost us many a player in the way he does his business.

Ive always been a fan of schwarzy and think that he's been the best keeper we've had, hes been better than pears for me and i cant see that there is much better out there on offer.

I'd give him a bumber deal purely and simply because i think that hes the best we'd get, but then thats just my opinion.

At 34 its just plain stupid to say that hes past it. As a keeper hes got quite a few top class years ahead of him and i for one hope that its with us.

Contract brinksmanship AV ? Why the hell not? In football youre everybodys friend whilst they want you and when they dont its adios without a moments thought and they ship someone else in as if you never existed, so why should footballers themselves play it any otherway ?

Loyalty ? Do me a favour. As if mr lamb has any idea what this means, or mr gibson or 99.9% of managers for that matter. In football youre traded just like a piece of meat and players know it and expect it and so why we should expect loyalty or fair play from them is beyond me.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | July 8, 2007 10:21 PM

Mike McDonnell wrote...

Taxi for Schwarzer.......

Posted by: Mike McDonnell  | July 9, 2007 5:41 AM

Never Happy wrote...

AV - on another subject, please tell me that our next spectacular signing will not be Lee Hendrie.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 9, 2007 8:49 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Hendrie and Hulse. Spectacular? I can think of other words more appropriate.

I dont think either are better than we have and would be squad players though they do have talents. Hulse would give running and power up front, Hendrie is a capable midfield player.

There is still Nugent who is acting like my wife - there is a pair of shoes out there but I am buggered if I can find them, I will just try another shop. I guess he is waiting for Everton but it must be worth a shot.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 9, 2007 9:00 AM

John Powls wrote...

There is a very sober - and none too encouraging - assessment of our upcoming season in The Times this morning.

To sum up - 'a struggle for mediocrity and survival; particularly if Yakubu goes and even if Smith or Defoe come in'.

I can see why they come to this conclusion but much will depend on the next lot of signings we make.

Does The Yak go and if he does, who comes in to replace him? If it is Defoe, Smith or Saviola that's one thing. If it's Hulse from The Blades (no, thankyou!) as was being suggested over the weekend, that's quite another.

Are we going to fill our need for a box-to-box midfielder? If so, is it Hendrie (N0, NO, NO!!!!) a 30 year old Villa reject with a chequered past who couldn't even get into the Stoke side last season.

Recruiting Hendrie, like Hulse, would give a signal that we plan to be down amongst the dead men.

No sign of the long fabled Icelandic right back (a saga in its own right) - or indeed any other (having let Baird slip through the net). No sign of anyone to fill in on the right of midfield and stories that Gera is going to go elsewhere.

No sign of the right sort of decisive action on Old Scissorhands - either do the deal or get rid and replace from outside our current crop NOW - not January or later.

And, of course, no sign of a shirt sponsor or the new kit. I don't know how big a deal the sponsorship is and if we didn't have any how much effect it has on the transfer pot.

I hope the club could start clearing the log-jam - and giving some meaning to Gibbo's Euro-spin over the weekend which is otherwise just more hot air and 'spectacular' sales talk - by saying we're not interested in Hendrie and Hulse and that we've set our sights higher than that.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 9, 2007 9:15 AM

M I Cashley wrote...

Am I the only one here who thinks that Hulse and Hendrie would be excellent signings for the Boro.

Hendrie has pace and an abundance of experience and Hulse is a good old fashioned type centre forward who is excellent in the air.

Posted by: M I Cashley  | July 9, 2007 10:14 AM

Nigel wrote...

Being the optimistic guy that I am and putting 2 & 2 together (always dangerous!) . GS has said it may be August before more transfer deals are done, maybe that's because the 'spectacular' signing is currently playing in the Copa America, just a (optimistic) thought!

Posted by: Nigel  | July 9, 2007 10:19 AM

alf wrote...

Can we have the word 'spectacular' banned on teesside. Its all getting silly now. It was something Gibson said pre season ticket deadline off the top of his head it means nothing really. Remember last summer when Gibson promised us a top draw manager.

Posted by: alf  | July 9, 2007 10:32 AM

Very Happy wrote...

Nigel

I think you may well be right by mentioning the Copa America. I am expecting at least one player to be taking a late holiday after we sign him.

Things are now so slow that you have to look at those sort of options, because it is logic.

On the positive side once again!

The club are guilty of allowing a very smiley period to fade away over the last few weeks, and I am getting fed up about reading their old news.

I support Steve Gibson 100%, however, it is he who is behaving in a negative manner, by talking about Europe, instead of saying “The club are still rigorously pursuing new signings, so please bare with us through this silent period”.

If we don’t hammer home what should be happening befittingly then it will never alter, because we are interested in now, not Europe.

Criticism and praise work wonders.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 9, 2007 11:36 AM

Adam Newton wrote...

Lets nick Deco and Eto of da jawdees, like!

Posted by: Adam Newton  | July 9, 2007 11:42 AM

dave wrote...

I think Lee Hendrie will be a good signing. Better option than morrison.

Posted by: dave  | July 9, 2007 12:04 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Very Happy

Many of our comments are aimed at the clubs comments and the fact they sound like sound bites rather than a coherent communication strategy that conveys what the club are trying to do and how they are going to achieve it.

We get mixed messages that create the negativity in the fans. When there is so little of substance in news stories as at the moment, then it is even more important to ensure that communication is clear as well as honest.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 9, 2007 12:14 PM

Never Happy wrote...

AV - have any season ticket sales figures been released yet?


**AV writes: Not yet....

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 9, 2007 1:02 PM

Its fitz wrote...

Oh my god i cant belive people are talking about lee hendrie as a good signing, are you people mad!! were talking about a man whos hardley played any football for 3 years and couldnt get in a poor villa team or a stoke team. this is mental if you people think southgates new fresh approach to pace and energy!!

please leave feedback for me on this if you are in fact an escaped mental patient and believe hendrie is even a DECENT signing

Posted by: Its fitz  | July 9, 2007 1:23 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Ian Gill

I fully understand & respect all who post on AV’s board.

Patience is a Virtue, but when are the club going to tell us just a little about Virtue. I reckon we should have all chipped into a kitty and hired a private investigator to tail Keith Lamb.

Description:

Male, approximately 6 feet – 2 inches wearing either a Mickey Mouse suit or a long wooden nose.

Last sighting: Disney Land Florida

AV writes: Just stake out the Tontine, no contract can be concluded without the obligatory sighting there.


Posted by: Very Happy  | July 9, 2007 2:10 PM

Billy wrote...

I don't know whether Hendrie would turn out to be a good signing or not, but I do know he was getting man of the match more often than not for Stoke, so I'm not sure why people are saying he couldn't get a game for them.

He missed a few through injury, but their upturn in form coincided with Hendrie joining them on loan. I think he'd be fine as a squad player.

Posted by: Billy  | July 9, 2007 2:36 PM

Nigel wrote...

Lee Hendrie won't be coming to the Boro, he doesn't fit the profile of young and fast, he's not good enough for Villa so not good enough for Boro. He is touting himself about looking for a club, hence the tenuous link with Boro in the papers.

**AV writes: It is more than tenuous. There are quotes from Hendrie claiming there has been some sort of contact.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 9, 2007 2:43 PM

John Powls wrote...

Anyone who believes that Hendrie would be a good signing clearly has the same low opinion of our club and its ambitions that whoever it is that Hendrie alleges has been showing interest in him.

A few decent games in a Championship side last season is no recommendation. And he's 30, small and lacking pace.

Get a grip!

Posted by: John Powls  | July 9, 2007 4:56 PM

Never Happy wrote...

No wonder no one signs if they meet at the Tontine.

Have you seen the price of the bevvies in that place.

You need to be a PL footballer to afford a pint.

Oh the joy of a midfield containing Euell and Hendrie.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 9, 2007 4:57 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Dave - Lee Hendrie better than Morrison?
Mainy - Stephen Carr?????

Do you two inhabit the same planet I live on?

Anyone else think Boro are mad to allow Jason Koumas to go to Wigan when he could be the perfect answer in our midfield?

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 9, 2007 4:58 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Clive Hurren

Planet Opinion is an amazing place for name popping.

Dare I mention, bring back Bernie Slaven, because even with a microphone in his hands I would back our ex-offside king to score 2 goals.

A lot of players are now on the move and it would not surprise me to see Lee Hendrie join our squad.

His situation has been another Bernie verses Lenny Lawrence issue, which happens in all places of work.

He has not lost his drive from box to box.

I saw his energy levels last season and he was here, there and everywhere creating chances, which Boetang cannot compete against.

I never saw him in the Tontine, although I did hear a whisper that If Planet Pluto posts anymore negatives against the pub, which may damage trade, he may end up in their net.

The news about Alan Smith has gone quiet, but Manchester United will now be seeking to unload, in line with Liverpool’s progress.

There is a notice pinned up at the Riverside which says” Everyone’s gone to the Moon except..?”, which is a funny way of describing Austria.

So, if we can nail down this mysterious? Surely one hour on the Rack will stretch far more than their tongue.

Keep smiling

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 10, 2007 1:28 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

Personally, I'd go for Micheal Ricketts. I'm sure he still has potential ........

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 11, 2007 3:47 PM

pat mcdonough wrote...

Got to agree with Clive Hurren - Koumas is quality. One of them rare players these days who directly links up midfield with strikers, in the Gazza style. He is always looking to go forward instead of sideways as many midfielders do these days. A snip at the price.

Posted by: pat mcdonough  | July 13, 2007 5:26 PM

john wrote...

can anyone tell me wear all the T.V money has gone if we cant buy new players and need to sell yak our best goal scorer? are we now a second rate club?

Posted by: john  | July 16, 2007 1:26 PM

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