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Can Boro Hold The Line On Season Tickets?

Posted by on July 12, 2007 12:27 PM | 

SEASON ticket sales UP across the Premiership? Well there's a trend-bucking statement I never expected to hear. Given the widespread anger at wages, prices, stewarding, daft o'clock kick-offs, the Sun's relentless tabloid campaign to drive prices down, supporter alienation, passion fatigue, a lack of a competitive league and a perception of vested interests trampling over natural justice as seen in the Tevez panel fiasco most observers, even the generally optimistic ones, expected a marked downturn.

Yet a Channel 4 on-line survey today has come to just that conclusion, although admittedly after a far from scientific approach of asking the club spin doctors for a rough estimate. It is the kind of lick-finger-and-stick-in-air approach that passes for news in a dumbed down infotainment era.

I am sceptical of the methodology, sceptical of the conclusion that has been drawn and especially sceptical of the line from the Riverside that sales are expected to be "slightly down" on the 21,000 sold last season. That is a very optimistic expectation taht flies in the face of the mounting body of anecdotal evidence that has been confronting me all summer.


On a general level the headline indicating season tickets are up is highly questionable. Of the 20 teams in the Premiership SIX are saying sales are up, only a third, and three of those are the promoted sides and an increase is a cast iron certainty and a predictable factor that no respectable statistician would allow to disguise the underlying trand. And a third is hardly the kind of commanding fraction needed to make a confident sweeping statement in a headline.

Another six club are saying sales are the same (admittedly three of those have figures capped and could possibly have sold more, but didn't) - exactly the same fraction as the one that excited the headline writer - but "season ticket sales generally stay the same" isn't quite as gripping a tag for what is a very superficial straw poll.

Four teams - including Boro - are admitting that sales are down, although all have tried to mitigate that by saying "slight down", "down by a bit", "just less than this time last year" and hinting, as at the Riverside, that they "expect" to pick up a bit so they end up about the same as last year. Two teams did not respond.

Of course, until there is real flesh on the bones and actual figures are released it is a worthless exercise. Asking a press office - which is much defined by its marketing function as its information one - to comment on the success of a product is fraught with dangers. At best they will be non-committal while the sales window is still open and at worst they will cynically seek to use the platform as a free advertisement to drum up customers and big up the brand.

As for Boro, I would be very surprised if sales are only "slightly down" as it would suggest that dozens, maybe hundreds of people have told me porkies over the summer. Hardcore former Holgate Enders have been insisting to me that they, usually with a group of friends, had finally, reluctantly been worn down and decided to wrap in their Red Books. And they mean it this time. Honest.

People who have no reason to lie are telling me that of the groups of six or eight they go with three or four are calling it a day; that they are renewing but their dad isn't; that they have enjoyed it more watching it with the lads on Al Jazeera in the pub and have decided to just do that this season; that they have started watching on-line; that they are going to pick and choose; that they are bored; frustrated; are not enjoying the soulless experience; can't stand the whinging; can no longer justify the expenditure on ticket, transport and ale. There are more people telling me these things than ever before and they appear adamant, if saddened.

Some may say that such talk is par for the course and there is now an annual ritual of the renewal refuseniks making a principled stand before crumbling to the combined force of the narcotic pull of matchday, peer pressure and the fear that if they renege on their pact to support the club then this is certain to be the year when it all finally clicks and they will miss out on the ecstatic moment that validates the years of pain.

The usual apocalyptic predictions of a meltdown to 15,000 or so season tickets have been thrown around all summer, usually fuelled by someone who knows someone whose mam works in the ticket office and, barring a brief upsurge of optimism promoted by pre-deadline spin about "spectacular signings" and the impact of Tuncay soon after, seem to be readily accepted because of a blend of inate pessimism and what appears to be a shroud of silence over the club when it comes to releasing the figures.

It seems the same dire forcasts are made each summer and the great collapse has never materialised... although the accusing slo-mo spread of the matchday sea of empty red seats is more visible by the week and the crowd figures show an undeniable steady downward slope over the past five years.

Last season we went through the same gloomy guessing game with season ticket sales eventaully revealed to be down by less than a thousand (and that in the wake of the UEFA Cup final and the departure of the unpopular McClaren) and with that shortfall made up by the Christmas present market... but whereas it looked like brave Boro had held a wavering line in fact a lot of defections had been replaced those who would normally pay match-by-match and by new family groups reacting to the laudable concessions introduced for kids. In effect the walk-up crowd had been consolidated into the saeson ticket crowd leaving smaller gates and a lower matchday income as full-price 40 year-olds left with their beer money to watch the game in the pub to be replaced by cut-price children with less lucrative refuelling habits.

We have discussed the reasons, the possible consequences and the cultural impact at length on here and we all know the script by heart now. Five years ago Boro crowds averaged over 30,000. Last season we saw crowds of under 25,000.

This season, even if season ticket sales are held at the pyschologically important 20,000 mark we could see the average crowd squeezed markedly again and, unless there are some very creative ticketing initiatives, the humdrum visits of Reading, Derby, Fulham and Birmingham could scrape the season ticket base level and hit new record lows.


Comments (63)

ALF wrote...

How reliable can those numbers be? The proof in the pudding will be on match days. If attendances are down then Its safe to say that season tickets will be down by a similar proportion.

While clubs are in the process of recruiting season ticket holders I cant see many of them giving out the true number of sales and saying anything else than they are the same or gone up from last year.

I do remember boro telling us all when they did sell quickly or quicker than previous seasons.

Posted by: ALF  | July 12, 2007 3:45 PM

John Powls wrote...

AV

As you said we've debated this and know the reasons - beyond the ones you stated/quoted.

I think that, having been misled last season about a 'top drawer manager' and suspecting that the club tried the same thing this year with '2 spectacular signings' (though, saddos that we are, we still cling to the hope it's true), there is a not unexpected 'once bitten, twice shy' view which is resulting in a 'wait and see' attitude.

The promise of a new, attacking style of football is just that - a promise and the 2 new signings so far are just potential not proven in the Prem.

This must be one of the few industries where the customer is expected to take the risk of commitment and pay up in advance with no guarantee of what the product will be or even that the raw materials have or will be purchased.

But I'm still sure that if the product turns out to be what Gate and Gibbo says is 'on the tin' then people will pay for it and the ground will be more full than it has been.

Let's face it, we are all desperate for it and really want to be there if it happens.

Conversely, if we've been sold a 'pup' and all the worst predictions are likely to come true and I think that certain people's positions will have become almost untenable.

It's in the hands of Gibbo, Gate and The Count.

And do we feel lucky, Punks - well, do we?

Posted by: John Powls  | July 12, 2007 4:19 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

The situation will become clearer with the visit of Blackburn on the opening day. Not the blockbuster to attract a bumper gate and a club with a following smaller than ours.

We will not be helped by a bank holiday match on TV against Toon. As we are likely to only give the bare allocation of tickets for safety reasons then it will to turn out to be a red chair rather than a red letter day.

I can make the first one with my son so we will start with an attendance of two at least. The Toon match coincides with a holiday Im afraid.

The bonus we do have is that few of our matches are on TV.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 12, 2007 5:04 PM

Jan wrote...

Yet again we have bought a season ticket and yet again before they have dropped on the doorstep, at least one match is out because the match has been moved to accomodate TV.

Where else do you buy something to then have it changed to something you can't use.

I see this as one reason why we lose season tickets sales and I find it hard to believe other clubs are different. Surely we are not the only ones to consider such things.

More annoying is also the fact that those games I cannot now get to, I cannot listen to the two stallwarts of boro commentary over the years, Ali and Bernie - it is not just paying supporters who are sold down the river.

Posted by: Jan  | July 12, 2007 5:36 PM

Ironopolis Neil wrote...

I left the UK for the US right around the time when Boro were transformed into big spenders by Gibbo. When I watched the Boro as a kid at Ayresome Park, it was during the late 70s / early 80s era when things weren't that rosy.

I would give my right arm to have a season ticket. While i can understand fans' frustration with the way that things have gone in the last couple of years, I think that Southgate deserves a real chance.

He inherited an aging squad from Mac that bulged with bit-part players on big salaries. He has trimmed the squad down AND got players with youth and pace. On top of that, we have a team that has plenty of local lads in it to make us proud.

I would say give the Boro one more chance and buy a season ticket for this year. I for one hope Southgate, and Boro, succeed.

By the way, here's a youtube clip of Tuncay scoring in a little one v one drill with the Boro yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVgwvT1Bj3E&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsoccerlens%2Ecom%2Ftuncay%2Ddazzles%2Dmiddlesbrough%2Dfans%2Dtraining%2Dvideo%2Dclip%2F2349%2F

Posted by: Ironopolis Neil  | July 12, 2007 6:00 PM

Peter Collins wrote...

You know that the club is in trouble with season ticket sales when Steve Gibson resorts to Freddy Shepherd type tactics in waffling about "spectacular signings".

I was flabbergasted when I heard this from Gibson but I am not at all suprised to find that he has not followed up this promise and neither do I expect him to.

Boro will sign a couple of foreigners with exotic names and Lamb will spout off yet again about how good a manager Gareth is and how this Tuncay bloke is the new Juninho, it is all getting rather predictable and poor season ticket sales will show this.

Boro will not go down next season, neither will they pull up any trees and the Teesside public know this only too well.

Posted by: Peter Collins  | July 12, 2007 6:07 PM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

If the product is not on the table, then people will not flock to the show. However, the situation can change dramatically overnight, with the right signing/s.

At this moment in time the enthusiasm to buy a season ticket at the Boro is far from high, because our midfield needs major surgery.

The transfer window has only used 20% of its marketable figures to date, which shows how many deals are still hanging in the air.

What you have outlined surrounding this 21,000 figure is fact. Anyone daring to believe other has forgotten that you are only as good as your last game.

The club have spent peanuts up to now. Therefore, to compete in the right areas next season we must buy a Top midfield player.

Expensive players will join any team in the Premiership who offer ambition, because sitting on a bench like a fed up Guy Fawkes every week must hurt deeply, if you are a winner.

So, we shall see what matererlises in the near future when the market starts to move.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 12, 2007 8:20 PM

geoff wrote...

If its only true supporters that are left in the ground at least they will give there all. Those up the road get over 50,000 and where did they finnish below us.

We are willing to pay 6m for Smith who like eveyone says he's like a jigsaw, falls appart in the box. Yet when it comes to paying 3m for what we need there are feet being dragged. Jones plus cash would get Gera who is tryed and tested and would do a good job.

We seem to miss out on free players who could do a good job. Dudek would have done a good job and would have been happy over a contract.

We have Catt waiting to take over from GB but he is a loose cannon waiting to go off. Josh Walker looks more cultured and stays on his feet good passer and good awareness of what is going on arround him.

Posted by: geoff  | July 12, 2007 10:12 PM

Old Bob-ender wrote...

In a 20 team race to the Premiership title , Boro are 1000 to 1.
Why buy a season ticket ?

Posted by: Old Bob-ender  | July 12, 2007 10:37 PM

John Powls wrote...

Now that we have lost Baird to Fulham - just like we did with Stephen Davis why can't we exploit thier surfeit of right backs and go for Volz or, failing that, Rosenior. There is also Hoyte who is surplus at Arsenal.

All are proven in the Prem so why are we haggling for an over-priced, untried Icelander from Holland?

It is clear now that Smith doesn't want to come here so why don't we take the offer off the table and move on or tell Sven to back off and just keep The Yak?

The little fantasy about Saviola is now blown - unaccountably, he prefers Real Madrid. But what about Riquelme or Appiah or both?

Want to boost season tickets? Do the business with the transfers and give us what you promised then show us the new style on the pitch - simple as that.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 13, 2007 8:49 AM

Nigel wrote...

Old Bob-ender, to answer your question...Because you support the Boro? If winning the prem. is what you want delivered in return for you buying a season ticket then you'd better join the queue at Old Trafford.

Season ticket sales were never going to be buoyant this summer, we've had so many seasons of dull football at the Riverside, its bound to have an impact.

That said if GS can succeed in creating a team which is exciting to watch and also more succesful than previously then the crowds will come back. Next Summer will be the time when we measure how well GS is doing.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 13, 2007 9:22 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Nigel

You are correct in stating, like many of us do, that crowds will come back if we play good football, whether season tickets pick up again is another matter.

From the highs we had when we extended the ground, a season ticket guaranteed access to the big matches including cup finals.

The dreary football drove the fans away and oddly the UEFA cup final seamingly affected many fans. Their long held tickets didnt get them to the final.

Add in the ludicrous TV scheduling - dont forget our first 3.00pm, Saturday home game was on 30th Dec season before last. Then factor in our pitiful capitulations against poor teams.

Peoples buying behaviour has changed. I suspect many are going to be more selective over matches they attend. When we cant fill the ground for games like ManU and Toon there will be little incentive to buy a season ticket. The club will do special offers to certain matches to attract crowds so why pay up front?

How will this change? Certainly an improvement in the football on display will help. Challenging for trophies will encourage people to come back making the importance of the season ticket for cup finals a big selling point.

I suspect however the horse has bolted, it will be a long haul back to previous levels and we may attain those levels again.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 13, 2007 10:53 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Boro's search for a RB is becoming embarassing.

We read of our new found world wide scouting network and then find that this new found weapon in the Boro armourey has discovered Luke Young. Presumably this is the same scout that has spotted Rob Hulse.

It may be just tabloid spin, however Mr Gibson your credibility is on the line as last seasons promise of a 'top drawer manager' resulted in rookie boss GS.

Before the season ticket deadline you romised 'spectacular signings'. There is obviously still time for this to happen, if it does than season ticket / crowd sizes will improve on last season.

If it doesn't then fans who have already bought season tickets will feel robbed, and those who were hanging back will not renew.

The ball is in Mr Gibson's court.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 13, 2007 10:54 AM

Alex Gill wrote...

I think whoever made the point about 'only as good as your last game' is spot on. How many times has an ok season desolved into nothing in the last 6 games? It was every single season under Mac and it happened last season to an extent.

To sell season tickets you need to end the season leavig the fans with a feeling of optimism and progress, not by picking up 4 points out of twelve as we seem to have done for the past few seasons.

Similarly, one thing we have seriously missed is a good start to the season. All to many times it has taken us right into September before gettin a win on the board.

If Boro can come out of the blocks fast (and we have the fixtures to makes it possible) then we may have 7 or 9 points from the first three matches. If so, come the start of September people may then hit the season tickets.

It's a sign that things will change that people are waiting to see - that could be achieved by new signing but far better by 9/9 or 10/12 in the points tally for August.

I sadly live far too far away for a season ticket but if I was in Boro I would be tempted to wait until Sept and see how we're doing.

Fingers crossed for a great season - Southgate is a great guy and there were glimpses of things to come last season. Lets hope it can all come together for a top 10 or top 8 this year.

Posted by: Alex Gill  | July 13, 2007 11:12 AM

Nigel wrote...

Ian, I agree, the 35000 crowds for every prem. match are probably gone for ever. To attract regular gates of that size we'd probably need to be challenging for a top four spot.

The irony is, the cup competitions where we have been most succesful also don't attract the crowds. So much football being live on TV has had a huge impact on how the game is watched.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 13, 2007 11:47 AM

Greg Watson wrote...

Buying a season ticket is to show your support for a club you have supported since you were a boy and if people are not buying how does anyone expect us to bring in trophies and european football? I've renewed my ticket and the rest of you should get bums on seats. Come on Boro

Posted by: Greg Watson  | July 13, 2007 12:00 PM

beeline wrote...

Is it just since the inception of the Premiership that clubs, the media and some 'holier than thou' fans have developed a fixation with season tickets?

I've never had a season ticket in my life (first match 1958). there was no ideological reason for it - economics played a part in the early years, but the real reason is that there was never a need - and to be honest, it never entered my head to buy one.

OK, I left the UK just before the Riverside revolution and would have had to buy one if I wanted to be part of it, but given the small number of sell-outs recently (were there any last year), it's no surprise that people are spreading their payments over time by paying on a match-by-match basis. We do that in so many other areas of personal finance given the option and if the 'interest' is reasonable - in certain circumstances with season tickets (missed matches etc) it also makes financial sense - so you can have your cake and eat it.

I understand the economic and 'loyalty' arguments, give the club your hard-earned cash early so that they can plan ahead, but I don't buy them - every time you walk through the turnstiles you are showing your loyalty to the club with or without a season ticket.

Imagine the worst case scenario - nobody buys a season ticket - and we know that's not going to happen. What then? The club do not have a pot to play wih for one year, but fans still pass though the turnstiles and all that gate money is next year's pot, and so on as it has always been.

Everybody knows that gate money in whatever form in these financially good times is a shrinking proportion of a club's income, so I take with a huge pinch of salt all efforts to get fans to part with their cash in advance - but if it makes folks feel better then I have no problem with it. Can anyone lend me a fiver - just til the end of the season of course.

Posted by: beeline  | July 13, 2007 12:05 PM

Its fitz wrote...

Im not afraid to admit am only 23 AV and have been a supporter as long as i can remember, can even remember being at primary school and being teased for being one of only two kids in my class that supported boro and not being man u!! crazy

But any way to be totally honest this is the first time in my life time that i actually feel we have a posotive enough, attacking manger to take us up and play the type of football the fans want to see.

I remember when gibbo annouced that GS was manager i thought we were doomed to more boring defensive football and a manager that the players wouldnt respect and no one more than me thought it was the totally wrong decision, but i now put my hands up admitt i was wrong.

to see the way SG dealt with the older players he got rid of(some of which were mates) and the mind games with fergie, and my favorite moment out right telling warnock, and rightly so 'its my team and il play who i want'and i think has done brilliant in his first season

So te be honest am really looking forward to next season, i thing GS has got the best vision and direction of where he wants the club of any manager ive seen at the boro and has got my backing even throughout the season

Posted by: Its fitz  | July 13, 2007 12:20 PM

mathew wrote...

You really know how to drum up a bit of enthusiasm for the new season don't you.

Posted by: mathew  | July 13, 2007 12:40 PM

Nige wrote...

Why not reveal how many renewed before the deadline?

Where's the harm?

I think withholding the actual figures speaks volumes!

Posted by: Nige  | July 13, 2007 1:04 PM

Nigel wrote...

Never Happy , my guess is there is a game of brinkmanship going on over the right back, alkmaar asking for daft money Boro sticking to their guns. Lets hope sense prevails and the deal is done.

That could also be true of the right winger. Hence GS refering to August before deals are done.

Posted by: Nigel  | July 13, 2007 1:17 PM

Shaun wrote...

Pardew says he is willing to let Young go for the right price. I hope someone at the the club was listening...

Posted by: Shaun  | July 13, 2007 1:57 PM

John Powls wrote...

Nigel

It seems the brinkmanship with AZ - if that's what it is - has taken a further turn in that they have offered the Icelander better terms to sign a new contract.

On the 'doesn't it make you weep' front.....

Spent a lot of time last season being roundly castigated by various Pollyannas when I dared question quite how fit our side was - aside from what pace, drive and motivation some of them lacked. (And what has Gate said we are buying?)

Gate from Austria today, "Fitness was a big weakness for us last season and we had to improve, so there is a big emphasis on it this time around. I aim to make it one of the key features of our game."

So who were the manager, coaches and fitness team at Hurworth last season, then?

Oh, yes, I remember.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 13, 2007 1:58 PM

Very Happy wrote...

When the season starts things will be in place, remembering that a fool and his money are soon parted.

We cannot afford to sign a name just to please, because such tactics would relegate our season.

If no news is good news, then why is it killing heads.

Ask a reporter, because it's their field...AV

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 13, 2007 1:59 PM

Dai Bickham wrote...

"unless there are some very creative ticketing initiatives" - I hope season ticket holders aren't 'penalised' for paying up front

It will be a long, hard struggle to get season ticket holders back to 30,000. Holding prices steady for 10 years may do it. It's a unique business type that needs unique business managers. The 'product' is the crowd as well as the players and the football.

Posted by: Dai Bickham  | July 13, 2007 2:08 PM

Mark B wrote...

I registered on the official Boro website some 8 or 9 years ago when I first got regular access to the internet. In all that time I never received any correspondance from it until now. I got an email claiming to be from Gareth Southgate asking me to buy a season ticket!

I work away and am lucky if I catch 7 games a season when I'm home. I think sales must be really down if they are trying this tactic.

Incidently if I worked close enough to home I would buy a season ticket but it just isn't worth it for the few games I can attend.

Posted by: Mark B  | July 13, 2007 3:13 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Mark B

I got the same email and it struck me that the tone of it was a bit like Gate playing the dog next to the Big Issue salesman to get the sympathy vote.

The club are trying hard to drum up interest but as Alex says it may be September before people start committing themselves to a ticket.

It isnt all doom and gloom, there is the amusing sight of West Ham and the Premier League squirming whilst ManU try to buy Tevez from his owners. It will be of some interest to see what happens when his agent stands up in court to side with Sheff Utd over the ownership issue.

Last bit for now - saw a pop up on the Northern Echo saying advertise your unwanted items for £2. Where is Mendi?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 13, 2007 3:52 PM

Nigel wrote...

JP Presumably while GS was on his NVQ pro coaching course this Summer the lecturer told him how important it is that his players are fit........

Posted by: Nigel  | July 13, 2007 3:58 PM

Johno wrote...

My ticket no more, after years watching the BORO and a red book No six thousand something, years stood at Ayesome park with many mates and watching them drop away sickened off and having sat on my own for the last couple of seasons i have now decided enough is enough.

If I was guaranteed being entertained at 25% of the games I would have renewed. I honestly think Gareth will do a good job, but I am ashamed to say I have thrown in the towel.... Its the pub and odd games for me now.

Posted by: Johno  | July 13, 2007 5:54 PM

ccole wrote...

I am thoroughly disllusioned and fed up with all the claptrap eminating from Gibson, Southgate , and Lamb these days. They are deluded if they think that we will fall for the ridiculous spin they keep putting out.

The only good thing is that we have won a trophy in my lifetime and although it was not that meaningful, it was a good day out.

If Gibson and co want to entice Boro's catchment area into returning to games we need to sign people of the calibre of Juninho

Posted by: ccole  | July 13, 2007 6:06 PM

Redcar Red wrote...

I think Boro are now following the same path as the Toon did some years ago after the Hall/Shepherd team saved the Barcodes. It was glorious days for them then until the realisation slowly dawned that things weren't getting better and performances and entertainment value were too become woeful.

For Hall and Shepherd read Gibson and Lamb. For some reason the heady days of Cardiff seem a long time ago. We were "Teesside United" then but now for reasons best known to themselves Steve and Keith are alienating themselves and the club to the people of Teesside.

In addition to the concerns in the above posts I think the badge fiasco (not to mention the pathetic embarrased almost apologetic launch of it at the Fulham game) and latterly the Century radio decision reeks of a "let them eat cake" mentality as "the peasants are revolting!"

Just hope they get a reality check before they implode taking our club with them.

Posted by: Redcar Red  | July 13, 2007 8:29 PM

Alex Gill wrote...

What is revealing about this current thread on AVs blog is the reasoned debate taking place. There is genuine concern for the club and people are wanting it to move forward.

There is a danger of the club losing goodwill or rather even more than it has lost already. Redcar Red is right in the analysis about the similarities with the Toon scenario.

Posted by: Alex Gill  | July 14, 2007 10:10 AM

John Powls wrote...

On the latest rumours:-

Luke Young - of course, but there's Volz, Rosenior and Hoyte to go at too, so no excuse for not tying up a right back soonest.

Simon Whaley for right wing - I identified him early in the close season as a good bet, so yes.

James Beattie - will we never learn? But maybe it does indicate that, at last we've cottoned on that waiting for Smith has long been hopeless.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 14, 2007 10:32 AM

Greg wrote...

Is it just me or do we seem to have the only fans in the country where they can whinge about a cup win, 2 seasons in Europe and a final in Eindhoven in the last 5 years?

No other club in the North East can say that. I do realise that in those 5 years your lucky to say you saw 10 games of exciting attacking Premiership football but looking at the types of player GS is trying to bring into the club I am hopefull that this is going to be the season it is going to return.

We've already added pace and in tuncay what looks to be a gifted player. Hopefully the passion will return at the Riverside and we will create a good atmosphere without the negative people.

Posted by: Greg  | July 14, 2007 10:44 AM

tomy wrote...

Surely this week's burning issue for Boro fans is the axeing of Century FM as one of the official commetators on games.

Why has AV not written about this? Have the MFC propaganda machine gagged him? I'd certainly like to hear why an easy wedge of dough from Century FM was turned down.

Posted by: tomy  | July 14, 2007 11:54 AM

John Stone wrote...

The Boro have been the most successful team in the Prem,outside the top four over the past 10 years.There is little chance of breaking into the top four all of whom have incomes of up to 5 times the Boro,s.

But we have waited two generations for regular top flight football and now its here the "Moaners" seem to rear their heads at every oppurtunity. The "Boo Boys" are on Downings back at every game. Do we have the worst supporters in the Country? Probably.

We have some of the lowest prices for season tickets in the Prem.particularly for kids. So its a case of "Use it or lose it".

PS. I have renewed.

Posted by: John Stone  | July 14, 2007 1:23 PM

Shaun wrote...

I wouldn't take no notice of a 'super strike' in training. Let's see what Tuncay does when he's got a 6ft 3in centre-half snapping at his ankles.

Posted by: Shaun  | July 14, 2007 2:12 PM

Houston wrote...

I am currently working abroad and therefor cannot get to the Riverside to order season tickets but have tried on three occasions, by e-mail, over the last three months, to order two season tickets for my uncle and his nephew and have not had any response from MFC!

Am I alone in trying to get tickets,just unfortunate or are there others in a similar position?

There has been many threads recently about the state of Boro's marketing, back room organisation, attitude to the punters etc. but God knows surely one of these e-mails would have been read by and placed in the file marked 'Sucker' what can we do to relieve him of some cash?

In an age when we can order anything from a pizza to a five star holiday online you have to ask are they (MFC) really all that bothered about selling tickets anyway or anything come to that?

A good example is the fiasco over the new shirts.
I am certainly not going to spend any more time, effort or money phoning the ticket office if they cannot have the courtesy to reply to an e-mail(s).

But what really upsets me is MFC are paying a salary for someone to organise this mess. It really is frustrating.

Posted by: Houston  | July 14, 2007 2:38 PM

alf wrote...

"If Gibson and co want to entice Boro's catchment area into returning to games we need to sign people of the calibre of Juninho"

Do we have £20m+ to spend on a players? That would be the going rate for players like juninho these days.

The problem is that 10 years ago Gibson was one of the first breed of chairman to have money to invest in a club. Now we have been left behind as it is the turn of the clubs who have billionaires as owners.

We are up against it unless we can get a billionaire in to invest i the club. I think Gibson and co realise we cant compete with the top 10 teams financially anymore

Posted by: alf  | July 14, 2007 5:10 PM

Shaun wrote...

Tomy, I suspect an even easier, bigger wedge of money came from Radio Cleveland (or radio Tees as it will be known).

Living away from Middlesbrough I have relied on commentary in the past couple of years but the games are so accessible now that pretty soon (in my opinion, anyway) radio coverage will become a thing of the past.

In terms of recent action at the club, I'm not really worried by the lack of transfer activity. Things can change relatively quickly and I expect us to get a couple of more players on board before the start of the season. We just have to sit tight and let them get on with it.

What concerns me more is the shirt situation. I mean come on? What is actually going on here? Four weeks until the season kicks-off and we don't even have a sponsor. What a shambolic state of affairs...

Schalke result didn't really surprise me either. I hope nobody reads too much into it!

Posted by: Shaun  | July 14, 2007 11:20 PM

ally wrote...

I live far away from the Boro and cannot get to many matches, so the season ticket thing is not an issue for me! However what is an issue is that Boro are quickly becoming noted as being amongst the worst fans in the Premiership - empty seats, those that do attend leaving early, constant whinging etc.

My mates that support other clubs are constantly ripping me when Boro are on telly about the empty seats and the swift exits, even when we are winning.

Then there is the slagging off of the backroom staff, some of whom in the marketing dept probably deserve it, but i am not entirely sure what the problem is with the rest of the staff, and certainly not the chairman.

You know, the guy that saved the club, made us an established premiership side with sound financial footing, resisted any notion of becoming a plc or selling to foreign owners, oversaw our first trophy and foray into Europe and made boro the most succesful cup team outside of the big 4.

Yes we want entertainment as well, but as i remember we didnt get an awful lot of that from the likes of Billy Woof, Paul Sugrue, Peter Davenport or Gary Gill(apart from the odd comedy moment.)

Ask yourself this. Are you going to a game with 4000 other supporters to watch us play Grimsby on a wet wednesday night? NO. We are a strong premiership side, albeit with little chance of breaking into the top 4 and that ain't gonnna change.Stop whinging!

Posted by: ally  | July 15, 2007 12:44 AM

Ken wrote...

quote: "I wouldn't take no notice of a 'super strike' in training. Let's see what Tuncay does when he's got a 6ft 3in centre-half snapping at his ankles."

Uh, he scored 3 goals against Man Utd in the Champions League and you can see those on Youtube also. I'm looking forward to the season just to see him play for the Boro.


Posted by: Ken  | July 15, 2007 6:53 AM

Peter Holton wrote...

"The Boro have been the most successful team in the Prem,outside the top four over the past 10 years"

What a totally ridiculous naive statement that is (Leicester have been more successful than Boro as a Premier League club within the last 10 years for a start) - and why 10 years? What is it with this time constraint thing where success can only have occured during a period that suits?

Oh yeah, I forgot, its that stupid FMTTM ideology rearing its stupid head again innit!

Posted by: Peter Holton  | July 15, 2007 9:20 AM

John Powls wrote...

Shaun

No, the Schalke result doesn't surprise me either. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 15, 2007 11:33 AM

ally wrote...

I actually said that Boro had been the most succesful CUP team outside of the top four. I meant this in terms of games won and semi finals/finals reached. Leicester????

Peter Holton actually seems to confirm the point I made, any slight thing to have a whinge about and you can be sure that some Boro fans will be on it like Viduka on a Newboulds. This was the main gripe I had and which no-one has actually disagreed with yet.

By the way, 10 years is a handy figure as it seems to coincide with our first trip to Wembley for a major final. A time when it can be said that Boro started having a bit of success (compared to the previous 121 years anyway).

We are no longer a yoyo side, we are now signing the right kind of players, its still 7 weeks to transfer deadline day, most of the transfers going through are from the clubs with rich new owners (spurs excepted, but £17m for Darren Bent? Newcastle, £5m for Chopra?, Boro, Tuncay for FREE) so its hardly a case of being left behind.

We will have a good season next year and we will finish 7th, because Spurs and West Ham will have slightly better seasons. Tuncay will score shedloads, with plenty of assists from Downing and Jez Ali.

p.s. have not read FMTTM since early 90's, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it (outdoors).

P.P.S before i get accused of it i don't work for Lamb or any of his henchmen.

Posted by: ally  | July 15, 2007 5:55 PM

Shaun wrote...

Quote: "Uh, he scored 3 goals against Man Utd in the Champions League and you can see those on Youtube also. I'm looking forward to the season just to see him play for the Boro."

A Man Utd team which included Quntin Fortune, Eric (so good they named him twice)Djemba-Djemba, Jonathan Spector and Gerard Pique.

Reserve your judgement for a few months yet...

Posted by: Shaun  | July 15, 2007 6:57 PM

Very Happy wrote...

John Powls

Why don’t you wait till Gareth Southgate’s team have played several games under his whip hand before passing judgement?

He accepted a job which was teaming with problems and is now trying to correct them.

As I have stated on several occasions, he is taking someone else’s flak, because that came with the job. However, instead of re-directing the flak, like many managers would have done, he has got on with the task of rebuilding a team that will represent his making.

It cannot happen overnight, but his engines are turning the right way. The transfer window still has 80% of its dealings to be completed, which indicates just how many players, are yet to move.

GS signed Woodgate and Huth, which clearly indicates that his plans have been well lived upstairs.

Euell was bought in for peanuts to support the numbers and will no doubt be moved on shortly with one or two others.

The signings of other players is probably a decision clouded in care due to past errors.

However, many highly skilled players would jump at the chance of joining a bandwagon which offers both high wages and the chance to parade their hearts.

Schwarzer is seeking security, not ambition. Therefore we must get shot and get younger, because awareness does lose its sights as one ages and his unrest is old hat.

GS used to marshal defences, which is why he earned 57 England caps, so he will know exactly the type of player he wants on the right-hand side of his midfield.

However, it has a far bigger bearing than just plugging a gap, because Cattermole must be unchained so he can direct his energy levels on getting forward to both support and score goals.

It’s a damned embarrassment when a team such as Reading can almost qualify for Europe, by using nothing except high energy levels as their sole goal maker.

GS is simply cleaning out the dead wood so ambition can be moved in. Let other clubs have the security players, because they are not the future.

Fair criticism, delivered befittingly is the way forward in life, otherwise complacency kills the show. It is a two sided coin by the way, which “Suggestion Boxes� introduced perfectly.

Well, that’s my pennies worth and I think it reflects on a few issues appropriately, so I am now going to pop down to the Riverside with three sacks full’s, looking for a suggestion box.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 16, 2007 10:06 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Quote from Gareth before match with Schalke

“I know there’s obvious interest from Turkey - maybe we should get some shirts out there - but aside from that it’s a chance to get a look at some new things we’ve been working on in training."

It would be nice to get some shirts in Middlesbrough!!

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 16, 2007 10:10 AM

John Powls wrote...

Very Happy

Whilst you're down at the Riverside can you ask where the shirt sponsorship deal is - and then where the shirts are (either for here or Turkey!).

Oh, and you might also ask where the 'spectacular' signings are too, while you're at it.

And, lest you think I'm the only one who is waiting to see whether the promises are lived up to or whether we are being lied to again, you might also drop in at the ticket office and see how many season tickets have been sold.

And just for the record I don't think Gate is the problem - except in his inexperience. I think the problem is above and around him.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 16, 2007 10:28 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Another quote fom today's paper by GS

“We would like to do it (sign the right players), the chairman would like to do it,� Southgate added, “but we’ve got to cut our cloth. We’re not awash with funds and we’ve got to make sure we get the right deals and the right players to improve us."

What happened to the 'spectacular signings' that Mr Gibson promised us all.

Surely it wasn't just a ploy to try and sell season tickets.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 16, 2007 11:02 AM

Generally Happy wrote...

Why are people flapping at stories in the tabloids that any other time they accuse of telling lies? The mfc website lists 73 players we have been linked with so far this summer. Are you panic merchants really laying into Gibbo and the Gate because we have "missed out" on Simon Whalley, Luke Varney and Lee McCullogh?

Do you want them to gazump Sunderland for Kieron Richardson just to bring down your blood pressure?

**AV writes: Generally Happy? Never Happy. Always Happy. Yourfamily is keeping this blog afloat.

Posted by: Generally Happy  | July 16, 2007 12:57 PM

very unhappy wrote...

What....."we've missed out on Simon Whalley" (sobs uncontrollably)

Posted by: very unhappy  | July 16, 2007 1:06 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Generally Happy (no relation)

Are you saying that Steve Gibson's promise of spectacular signing's (just before the season ticket renewal deadline) was made up by the tabloids?

I will be forever greatful for what SG has done for MFC, I have supported his dream by being a season ticket holder since 1994. (10 years whilst living and working in London.

I have been going to games since 1970, however after the general dross of last season and the broken promises from SG I have not yet renewed for this season.

Six of the eight lads who I attend games with have also not yet renewed. Why should we after the B&$%!*^t that has been published in the media and on the club website?

I stopped going to away games after last seasons abject performance at Man City. I took the day off work spent over £90 only to get there and find that the team also took the night off work.

I want the club to be sucessful as much as anyone, however I don't expect the club to take the p*** and with the shirt debacle, 'spectacular transfers' and staff of MFC churning out the same old crap week in week out I feel more and more alienated by the day.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 16, 2007 1:17 PM

Very Happy wrote...

AV

That was a happy comment to make. Is Gazette Towers a place of harmony or is the your blog home from home?

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 16, 2007 1:42 PM

wearing a Nappy wrote...

we lose to a friendly 3-0. that can't be good for team morale.

Posted by: wearing a Nappy  | July 16, 2007 1:45 PM

Nigel wrote...

AV - On the 'Happy Family' theme, I'm currently just happy to enjoy the Summer break and refresh my apetite for the coming season.

Life is too short to expend too much energy on who is coming to Boro and who isn't. We've done well with transfers so far and I'm sure come deadline day we'll be (some of us) happy with who we have bought.

Happy Nigel

Posted by: Nigel  | July 16, 2007 1:54 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Happy Nigel

A happy chappy is better than a sad smile.

If you walk past Gazette Towers you can hear the
laughs, rolling down their production lines.

Jown Powls is ok.

However, I wish he would stop mentioning the YAK?

**AV writes: Did you not see the belly laughs we Gazetters can get from a few simple plastic waste bins on Uncle Eric's latest video on www.gazettelive.co.uk?

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 16, 2007 2:47 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Happiness is a state of mind.

Most of us are happy the club are making progress.

A lot of the ire is aimed at the dross that comes out of the club dressed up as communication and it is dressed up in a shirt we havent seen with a badge we dont like and a sponsor we havent got.

No doubt we will see it when it is paraded by spectacular signings but we are not quite certain about the cloth we have to cut to afford them.

The pain is self inflicted by the club and its poor PR. Just shut up and get on with it, if you have to say something make sure it is consistent.

I am pleased with the new signings and would like a couple more.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 16, 2007 3:19 PM

Sarah2671 wrote...

I amongst others received my e-mail from Gareth Southgate asking me to recommend 5 friends who might be interested in purchasing a season ticket. I assume that the fact that the club is doing this is due to the lack of uptake on season tickets this year. It was to be expected listening to people's comments at the end of last season.

I do find it sad that people I sat next to last season and had been season ticket holders since the Ayresome Park days have decided not to renew but do not blame them in the slightest.

It does give me great concern that Middlesbrough Football Club does not seem to understand why people are not renewing their season tickets.

I personally am sick and tired of listening to how the club has so much ambition and how things are going to improve - but they never do. I agree with a lot of season ticket holders who say players are overpaid but if we want to sign the best then we have to pay the going rate.

Middlesbrough always seem to lose out on new signing because they are not willing to pay the transfer price that other teams are paying or are not willing to meet players wage demands. It might not be right but if you want to compete on a level playing field you have to do this.

The Mark Viduka mess up sickened people off - we should have signed him up last season rather than leaving it until he could walk away - we would have at least got some money for him. If the same happens with Mark Schwarzer then the club will just become a joke.

What are the benefits of a season ticket nowadays. They get our money at the start of the season and we turn up week after week to support the team at £19+ a match. Middlesbrough then sell tickets for matches at £10 each to non-season ticket holders - it's not like Man Utd where you have to be a season ticket holder to get to a match.

There was also the fiasco of Eindhoven - you can't blame Middlesbrough totally but can you tell me why players that haven't played for the club for 10-15 years get priority over supporters who have followed the Boro around Europe !!!

I do feel that this season is a make or break season for Middlesbrough. Speaking to friends and colleagues everyone feels the same way - that if we have to sit through the same rubbish as we did last few seasons then season tickets will drop off even further next season.

Posted by: Sarah2671  | July 16, 2007 3:32 PM

Very Happy wrote...

John Powls


I think the Turkey could well be in the oven on the same day we unwrap our shirts.

Then its gloves off for the following days game.

Roll on Santa

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 16, 2007 3:46 PM

Peter Mac wrote...

AV,
I THINK THAT SG HAS MADE A HUGE ERROR BY SAYING THAT SPECTACULAR SIGNINGS ARE GOING TO BE MADE, AS THIS HAS JUST RAISED THE EXPECTATIONS OF EVERYBODY.

IT IS ALSO INCREDIBLE THAT WE HAVE SO FAR FAILED TO ATTRACT A SPONSOR, WHAT ON EARTH ARE THE BACKROOM STAFF DOING? THE CLUB COULD BECOME A LAUGHING STOCK.

THE CLUB ALSO MADE A HUGE ERROR BY NOT EITHER REDUCING SEASON TICKET PRICES OR BY OFFERING SOME INCENTIVE WHEN BUYING ONE. IT WOULD BE FAR BETTER FILLING THE GROUND BY REDUCING PRICES THAN BY HAVING ATTENDANCES IN THE 25,000 REGION.

I FOR ONE WOULD HAVE OFFERED A VOUCHER TO ALL APPLICANTS OF A SEASON TICKET FOR A HOME SHIRT FROM THE BORO SHOP. IN REAL TERMS IT WOULDN'T HAVE COST THE CLUB A FORTUNE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE REDUCED SUPPORTER EXPENDITURE AND FILLED THE GROUND WITH A SEA OF RED SHIRTS.

FINALLY SG/KL/GS HAVE GOT TO DELIVER THEIR PROMISES IF THEY DO NOT THEN I FEAR THAT THEY WILL HAVE LOST SOME FANS FOR EVER.

**AV writes: Shhhhhhh. Stop shouting.

Posted by: Peter Mac  | July 16, 2007 4:35 PM

Very Happy wrote...

I hold people to their word.

However, if the new signings are not in place against Blackburn Rovers, then its price will be paid.

Never Happy has quite rightly stated that is was not tabloid talk.

There is plenty of time left to fulfil the promise and I am not posting again till a new face arrives, because this is all circles.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 16, 2007 10:07 PM

John York wrote...

Keep the faith, SG promised spectacular signings, has he let us down in the past?

What i would like to see is a near to full Riverside against the Mags our second home game. if not imagine the stick we'll get from their fans and smug Malcolm Macdonald if we don't over empty seats and part time supporters etc.

I'll start the ball rolling with a accurate count on season ticket sales..........i renewed with 3. any advance on 3?

Posted by: John York  | July 19, 2007 1:38 PM

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