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Posted by on July 24, 2007 10:40 PM | 

I'VE BEEN out of the loop for a few days. What have I missed? You know how quickly the emotional temperature changes on Planet Boro with every unfolding detail. I won't know whether to practice my booing or book hotels in the North London area for FA Cup final weekend.

Shall we rattle the recent developments off?

New sponsor: a world leading hi-tech satellite communications company stumping up "a seven figure" fee. A go-ahead, visionary new brand at the start of what it hopes is a period of expansion that will make it a market leader. You can't argue with that. Well, you can, but it would seem daft. Given the previous deals Boro have had this one is a cracker.

The first of the modern era was a ground breaking £3m over ten years stadium naming rights and shirt deal with Cellnet that tied Boro in just as the name game inflation was about to rocket and was ended early as the company was broken up. That was followed by the eleventh hour undisclosed but reputedly cut-price arrangement with mobile bucketshop Dial-a-Phone, a deal sealed so late that the shirts were in the shops and iron on transfers of the logo were dished out at the club shop. Then came the 888.com sponsorship, estimated at £700,000 a year, a price that proved a bargain for the cyber-gambling firm as in the first season Boro played what felt like their first 20 matches on the box and in the second served up a pulsating run to Eindhoven.

So to bounce back from an unseemly delay and lost shirt shelf life to secure a hefty increase in income from a far more dynamic, and certainly less morally problematic brand, must count as a success.

New shirts: I would never claim to be a fashionista and frankly the idea of assessing something as gaudy, mass produced and unflattering as a football shirt within any kind of haute couture consciouness is just plain daft - "polyester is soooo last year" - but I think it is a major step back to lose something as vividly obvious as a branding statement as the white band. Whatever short term gain there is in sales - three years of the band may have slightly depressed the sales and a new look may help there - the long term loss of such a visible statement of identity, especially that created after Europe, will harder to claw back.

As for impressions of the new kit itself, well, people may say it looks like Liverpool or Bristol City but to me with the piping and the new shape badge it looks a bit like, well, Wales. The away kit is an abomination. Gold shorts? Pans' People Roller Disco Hell!

Friendlies: Glorified kickabouts have next to no impact on the season. The games in German were strange choices made more bizarre by live TV coverage although the "bonding" element shouldn't be under-estimated. Ideally the early outings should always be trips to local Northern League outfits, a chance for supporters to check out the new signings and new haircuts at leisure combined with a bridge-building exercise with grassroots clubs who could really do with the gate money.

That said mighty Boro remain unbeaten in domestic competition so far this season after a Yak penalty earned a 1-1 draw at Burnley in which potentially the most exciting thing was a minor electrical fire near the press box which was dealt with in sober fashion by the new matchday microphone monopolists of the Beeb. Imagine the hysterical hyperbole if Ali Brownlee had been covering it. Meanwhile Tom Craddock got both in last night's 2-0 win at Darlington. Almost half the 4,300 crowd at the George Reynolds' Folly were Boro fans which is a decent turnout at this stage.

Luke Young - Spectacular? Far from it. He is more a Steady Eddie - but as an experienced Premier League and occasional England defender at less than half the pricetag being quoted for unproven Leighton Baines he will represent a solid and professional bit of business when he signs for £2.5m - which seems likely as he has stuck around long enough for his medical and to watch his prospective team-mates in action aganist the Quakers.

Young is exactly the kind of player Boro need - young enough, talented enough and hungry enough to form part of the new culture that Gareth Southgate is building for years to come. He is a long term prospect in a way that Abel Xavier was not, a specialist right-back in a way that Andrew Davies can never claim to be and is of the proven top-flight injury-free quality that as yet Tony McMahon can only dream about.

For me he is exactly the profile of player that Boro should be going for. We do not want G-14 cast-offs who arrive reluctantly bringing their baggage and bitterness to shatter the wage structure and dressing room morale. Neither do we want over-priced potential, speculating with stupid money and hope that the Championship darling is not a one season wonder. We want proven Premiership professionals who like the club are unfashionable but ambitious, who want to rise to the challenge of proving their ability as part of a team playing good football.

Sadly such excellent purchases will not satisfy everyone, especially those who have now persuaded themselves that anything less than Riquelme will be a betrayal. The "spectacular" statement - always risky - now threatens to come back and bite Boro in the bum as it is sharpened ready to be used as a stick to beat the club with.

Comments (72)

tonyblack wrote...

Good morning everyone,

I think I would agree with a lot of that.

I've never been one for spectacular signings. For me you can come from Bogna Regis, but if you're good then you're good. Time will tell what our new guys are like.

As much as I liked Xavier, I agree that Luke Young is a much better proposition due to his age as long as he does prove to be a good, steady, unflappable defender as people keep on telling me.

I'm hoping to see a much more balanced team this year, with far more options now coming from the right hand side and above all a team that competes with the " Big Clubs " one week and then goes and does the very same against all the rest.

I'm hoping to see us go out with a winning mentality that expects us to beat those teams that we should be beating.

Obviously you can't win every game, but I am hoping to see us being much more consistent and to try and end the culture of us looking down all the time into the relegation zone and thus playing in fear all too often when we needn't.

I don't mind cagey tactics where they're needed, but I just don't want to see them used too often.

Above all I want to see people really looking as if they want to be on that pitch and wearing that shirt, and although personally Viduka was a big, loss part of me is happy to see him leave as he only really started to run from around January when his contract was coming to an end and I hate this kind of attitude.

I don't care how much players get as long as they play with heart and give all they can.

I'm all for giving the academy footballers their shot but I want to see GS pick the best people for the job and if that then means leaving out the so called big names and putting anyone else in who's going to be better, then great.

I'm glad to see that we gave out so many first time pro contracts to the academy lads as this will keep those senior players in the comfort zone, like Rochemback, on their toes.

So here's hoping that GS and co have formed a good strong team that they can call their own so that they can end all the talk of inheriting things and systems from Mcclaren and now be totally accountable for what happens from now on.

Let the new era begin and let it be a very successful and enjoyable one full of passionate, enjoybale football.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | July 25, 2007 7:35 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

Lets hope the Luke Young deal is put to bed and we bring in the much needed right side midfielder in the near future. If we dont then I guess it will be Aliadiere or Tuncay out there. Whilst not perfect both of them can do a job but as Tuncay can score goals I would prefer him up front and Ali can use his skills and pace to stretch defences.

Central midfield doesnt have much pace and two out of Rocky, Arca and Boat wont win any foot races. I guess it will be Boat and Arca to start with.

The bits are coming together, lets hope there isnt another outbreak of foot in mouth disease. The club tend to be their own worst enemies.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 25, 2007 9:17 AM

Its fitz wrote...

Happy to see a decent rightback at the club for many years AV, like you say not spectacular, but very steady.

One thing i couldnt understand is why that bloke from AZ, who wasnt even a regular for a second rate dutch team was higher on the list than a consistent international premiership defender? I find that a pretty strange, any thoughts on that.

Also read on skysports that fergie has confirmed boro are keen a signing smithy, but how hot is smithy on coming to us? it seems not very but even so would this be the last 2 spectacular signings we were promised?

Gibbos yearly PR stunts seem to be getting bigger than abel xavier after only a few weeks in the gym.

Posted by: Its fitz  | July 25, 2007 11:51 AM

Never Happy wrote...

AV - I agree with most of the post, I like the shirt but not the gold shorts. Probably does not matter to much as fans only tend to buy the shirt.

As I have posted previously, I think Young is good value at 2.5m and having being previously with Charlton his wage demands should easily be met.

I can not believe that when GS signed Tuncay he planned to play him on the right of midfield.

Boro need a RW, I think it is just about the only thing everyone has agreed on since you started the blog.

With Liverpool slpashing the cash, why don't Boro test the water by making a bid for Pennant?I also think that Seol Ki-Hyeon could do a good job on the right hand side, and rumour has it that it is not to happy at Reading.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 25, 2007 12:31 PM

Nick Hill wrote...

I think Luke Young is a great signing, i hear he was one of only 3 charlton players who performed at all well last year (the others being bent and carson) and whenever i have seen him on tv he looks a very solid right back and an a experienced one, but still in his prime.

Spectacular, no but Young is exactly what we need and how many "spectacular" right backs are out there anyway who would swap a top european team for the might of Boro?Young is a great bit of business by Middlesbrough

Posted by: Nick Hill  | July 25, 2007 12:34 PM

JK wrote...

young is a good solid signing which looks value for money

The question that you need to ask the club is why dont they tie deals up before current ones finish? as it would make their and our lives easier!

no one cares who the big sponsor is as long as it makes some money its errea we want rid of !

Gibson made another mistake by saying spectacular players were within our reach but it still doesnt change the fact we still need more players!

Posted by: JK  | July 25, 2007 1:14 PM

Very Happy wrote...

I think Luke Young will be a massive bonus as you have stated AV, because he is a specialist right back and has the pace to handle difficult situations.

Xavier could not handle wingers, because his framework turned in a clockwise fashion, but he had a winner’s heart and was a credit to the club. He came back from a torrid time in life, with something to prove and he did it magnificently.

I don’t like to be unkind to Boetang, because he has been a brick and given the club excellent value for money.

However, unless the club buy a top midfielder and move him on, it will dilute everything that GS is wanting to re-shape in my view.

It’s no good being just a ball winner, because that’s like playing with ten men and his age doesn’t balance the books, which is the main thing.

Cattermole will never find his feet until someone comes into our midfield that he can both look up to and learn from, which will in turn, allow him to progress and hopefully grab the whip hand.

That is how I see things and anything less is a job half done, because it goes completely against the spoken grain, when we all know a midfield is the engine room.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 25, 2007 1:19 PM

Neil wrote...

New Sponsor: Very nice. Up-and-coming company, seven figure deal...nuff said.

New Kit: Who cares? If Boro play well, they could show up in bloody tu-tu's for all I care. I still like the idea (I forget who suggested it) of incorporating the Ironopolis look into the kit.

New Player (?): I like Gareth's forays into the transfer market. I'll settle for players like Luke Young any day of the week.

Posted by: Neil  | July 25, 2007 1:46 PM

dave wrote...

anyone know how luke young played last season? charlton we pretty poor at the back

Posted by: dave  | July 25, 2007 2:31 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Dave - Actim Stats have the following profile for Luke Young

"The promising defender swapped Tottenham Hotspur for Charlton in a £3million deal in the summer of 2001. He justified the outlay with a series of reliable performances for the Addicks at right-back, where he never misses the opportunity to use his great pace to push forward.

"Made Addicks captain for the 2005/06 season and his consistent displays earned him a call up to the England team. Staked a strong claim for a place in the World Cup squad this summer with his solid displays at right-back."

Seems the general consensus of opinion regards Young and at todays prices may prove to be an astute buy by GS

**AV writes: And 284 senior games with not one red card suggests he has a calm head and well timed tackling.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 25, 2007 3:24 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

I cant be doing with 'spectacular' signings. they are more trouble than there worth. either like boksic overpaid and disruptive and not worth the wages or like mendi, nowhere near as good as the hype. usually disappointing.

even the little fella only did it for a couple of short spells. an viduka, he was spectacular as well and only played one game in three if we were lucky

I'd rather have solid unspectacular signings. arca was class and everyone slagged him. young will be the best buy of the lot if only because he knows exactly what position he will be playing in.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | July 25, 2007 3:40 PM

Very Happy wrote...

We stole Arca off Sunderland.

We got Young for an absolute bargain.

Woodgate was highway robbery minus a mask.

I don’t think we are doing to bad on the home front.


Posted by: Very Happy  | July 25, 2007 4:24 PM

Neil wrote...

The classic example of a "spectacular" signing going wrong was Davenport. I remember when he was unveiled before the Ayresome faithful...the excitement was palpable, but he was absolute garbage.

Posted by: Neil  | July 25, 2007 4:51 PM

dave wrote...

The word 'Spectacular' is being over done by boro fans gibson only said it to mean nothing really. WE are as bad as jawdies hanging onto every word shearer used to say.

Posted by: dave  | July 25, 2007 6:02 PM

geoff wrote...

As the saying goes who cares who comes as long as they try there hardest.

Is it me or is everyone fed up with errea you can not see the back of the clothing for there logo? There must be someone better out there I mean even lower league clubs have better shirts.

I agree the white band made us different, and the sponsers logo stood out.

Posted by: geoff  | July 25, 2007 7:06 PM

Mish wrote...

Question. If removing the white band was because it was a case of 'well it's been on 3 years now, we need to change it cos we are losing money', then I must be missing the logic in why the Geordies & Mackems insist on keeping their respective stripes, after all what can you do with stripes?!

Yet, they seem to sell more & more each year. Oh... is that because they sell their shirts all over & not just in the north east!? Or is it because they have better kit makers!?

Posted by: Mish  | July 25, 2007 8:25 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Like many, I think Young will be a good signing as have the rest this window. The squad appears to be shaping nicely. I fancy we wont get a right sided midfield player but Aliadiere might fit in there.

Up front we may have Yak leave and Smith come in, may leave us short of goals but may change they way we play and get more from elsewhere in the team.

Neil

I preferred the white band and the old badge but it is only a football kit. My concern is the fact the club doesnt seem interested in involving the fans. Gibson and Lamb talk about being custodians, as AV says rebranding was a great chance to involve the fans. Not in major business issues but in areas where we can contribute.

Will not stop us supporting Boro but MFC may lose bums on seats.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 26, 2007 9:32 AM

John Powls wrote...

A shame for Matty Bates but I'm afraid I'm getting less and less tolerant of the 'can't get fit' litany around some of our young and more senior players.

And AV - where is Luke Young? Passed his medical, agreed fee with the Addicks, 'only a few details to be sorted' a few days ago on personal terms. But Gate still saying then I'm not saying anything 'til it's sorted. What did he know that he wasn't saying?

Don't tell me this is another one that got away - or turned us down - saga.

**AV writes: Contracts are incredibly complex these days and there is a lot of horse trading to be done - who will pay any loyalty bonuses or pick up any loose ends in the Charlton contract for instance. Then the details need to be seen by three sets of lawyers and fine-tuned.

You think that is bad, wait until Yakubu moves. There will be more lawyers involved than a UN war crimes tribunal.


Posted by: John Powls  | July 26, 2007 10:32 AM

Paulverine wrote...

Good point about the 284 appearences and only one red card AV. Another good thing I don't think has been mentioned about the Luke Young purchase is that he'll be an excellent role model for Tony McMahon.

On the 'spectacular signings' front, I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring Kerlon over now the Copa America is done. Haven't heard anything on the grapevine but we were strongly linked with him when Gibbo first made his "spectacular signings" comment and now all is quiet.

Although he typically plays somewhere between attacking midfield and forward, he'd do an excellent job on the right, freeing up Tuncay for a striker's role. The only problem I could see would be him getting the stuffing kicked out of him in his first season, much like Robben/Ronaldo had.

Posted by: Paulverine  | July 26, 2007 10:43 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

On to another topic.

Noticed that the premier league are now saying it is unlikley that West Ham will be punished whatever the outcome over Carlos Tevez and his move to ManU. They will hope the whole business will then just fade away and be forgotten.

Sheff Utd on the other hand will be looking to see what happens in the high court, should it be shown that Tevez was not owned by West Ham you can sense that this will rumble on for some time yet.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 26, 2007 10:53 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Why are Boro bothering with Smith?

If he wants to go to Everton $%*£ to Everton, or let him play the odd Carling Cup game for ManU.

Boro should be concentrating on signing a striker who considers it an honour to wear the shirt, not some overpaid wollyback who will only sign because he cannot get his first choice of club.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 26, 2007 12:08 PM

Norman Clegg wrote...

"Noticed that the premier league are now saying it is unlikley that West Ham will be punished whatever the outcome over Carlos Tevez and his move to ManU. They will hope the whole business will then just fade away and be forgotten."

Interesting to see that in Rugby League, teams who broke the rules (Wigan) were docked 4 points. No fuss!
The premier Leaugue officials are a disgrace.

AS for Luke Young , not my favourite player, but not a bad signing when you think of who else is available.

Posted by: Norman Clegg  | July 26, 2007 12:11 PM

Neil (Baku) wrote...

Glad to see all the old posters back, if nothing else this blog is a little more user friendly than the new Gazette Boro forum. I've dabbled a couple of times but it hasn't got the same ring about it as the old Your Say page.

Never mind though, new season on the horizon, and for the first time in more than a few seasons I am mildly optimistic about the Boro.

Gate seems to be slowly putting his views into practice, and if things continue we may yet see a few more new faces around the place.

I think we should all follow Ian's lead and talk Boro about the team we support and MFC when speaking about those who live in the red & white towers at the Riverside. What a bunch of wallies. What can you say that hasn't been said already .

MFC have widened the gap between themselves and the fans yet again with the new badge and shirt combo, why the hell didn't they involve the supporters in the re-branding, it was a golden opportunity to repair some of the damage done over the last 3 seasons or so.

Is Gibbo superstitous I ask? Wasn't the last time (only time) we won something that there was no white stripe on the shirt?

Luke Young, probably just the type of player we need, not flash but solid and as someone said if McMahon can get over his injury nightmare what better mentor. By the way John, just read he's been playing golf with "his new team mates at Romanby", so surely its a done deal (he says foot in mouth) STOP PRESS: 13:51 on my Boro SMS while writing this, LUKE SIGNS, so there you are.

On Alan Smith I think the jury is out amongst Boro fans, some like him, some don't. I'm sort of on the fence. He's got a lot of good qualities, and some bad, namely his temper, doesn't score a hatfull of goals but we don't know where Southgate sees him playing (if indeed its not all paper talk and we really aren't in for him at all) Would he make a Boateng replacement, don't know.

But one this is certain, if the "new" Boro are going to be a forward thinking, front footed outfit this season we cannot afford to let the Yak go, whether Smith comes in or not.

We've never seen the big fella play in a forward line that has pace, and if Tuncay and Alli are as quick as we think, it may be the making of our big Nigerian. He can't hold a ball up, but he can run onto good through balls, and he's not short of a bit of pace himself when he puts his mind to it. No, keep the Yak.

Let's hope we do see a new Boro this season, with or without the "spectacular" signings.

Posted by: Neil (Baku)  | July 26, 2007 1:56 PM

JMc wrote...

Regardless of the Eric Paylor article in today’s Gazette and the quotes from Smith's agent, he has JUST BEEN SEEN ENTERING ROCKCLIFFE WITH WOODY.

With any luck he could be a boro player before the weekend is out.

I am an out of area Boro fan but would seriously consider buying tickets for the AZ and Blackburn games should the Boro get their fingers out and get Young bedded in, Smith signed and if Yak is still around.

If Boro's ins and outs reads - ins: Woody, Tuncay, Aliadiere, Young, Smith outs: Christie, Graham, Xavier, Parnaby, Viduka then it will have been a very good close season and I for one will have to start considering making the journey north to see as many home games as possible.

Keep up the good work Gate - but please don't let Yak leave for a penny less than £12m - and if you have to, try to make sure it is to Villareal rather then Premier League opposition.

Posted by: JMc  | July 26, 2007 2:13 PM

John Powls wrote...

Hurrah - the Luke Young deal is sorted. A good, solid bit of business.

Midfield now please - Appiah, Riquleme or Fletcher would do - then a striker if The Yak is going.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 26, 2007 2:15 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV

I think the Yak moving would be more like a David Attenborough documentary where a flock of vultures pick the bones clean.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 26, 2007 4:19 PM

Shaun wrote...

As I've said before, Luke Young is a great signing for us. He's an acomplished, international full-back who is only playing second fiddle to Gary Neville for England. He will be back to being an England regular in the next couple of months.

With Woodgate, Downing and Young here, other English players will start looking our way and I think our chances of signing Smith are stronger than ever with the core of English internationals already here. David Gill said there has been no formal bid for Smith but Ferguson said the club had accepted a bid from Boro and given him permission to speak to us? What's going on there?

Smith won't come here to play midfield. He's voiced his frustrations at being used as a midfielder for United so I don't think he would want to do it here. I just hope if he does sign, it doesn't signal the end of the road for Yakubu - unless of course we fetch around £12m for him.

Gate ain't doing bad for a new guy...

Posted by: Shaun  | July 26, 2007 8:37 PM

James Emmerson wrote...

As far as signing Luke Young goes, I am mystified as to why we let Parnaby go in the first place; what was the point in dispensing with one right sided defender-cum-midfielder and paying a load of money for another?

Plus we lose another one of our much-vaunted academy, 'through-the-ranks' players and buy in a replacement - whose qualities have yet to be truly proven. Why?

Posted by: James Emmerson  | July 27, 2007 7:32 AM

lee robinson wrote...

for all those doom mongers out who say they have had enough!!!Can you honestly say last year was worse than the year before!!?

If anything it was at least 75%better - 10 home wins including defeats to man utd and tottenham which had the stadium rocking!! ok there was portsmouth at home and a couple of poor perfomances during the latter stages of our cup run but no one can say that in GS fisrt season at the helm he hasnt brought the team on and with the extra pace added for next year we might just surprise a few people - including the ones who would rather stay at home and watch it in the pub!!!

Posted by: lee robinson  | July 27, 2007 9:04 AM

John Powls wrote...

Various rumours touting Mido to us again.

If we're going for an Egyptian from Spurs then Hossam Ghaly - a driving central midfielder with good strike in him and available for just over £2m is a much better bet.

Smith at Rockliffe with Woody? He's even more elusive than I thought. Pictures on Sky of him in Asia with ManUre too.

**AV writes: That's the kind of pace and movement we need.

Posted by: John Powls  | July 27, 2007 9:23 AM

alf wrote...

Young hasnt played for england for 2 seasons now so not sure if that counts as a current england international. Can't remember if he makes it into any england squads recently. How did he do last season in a poor defence?

Posted by: alf  | July 27, 2007 10:33 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Mido turned down Birmingham because they would not meet his wage demands.

Who earns more Mido or Yakubu? Yakubu will only leave Boro for a pay rise, so unless he is one of the lesser earners at the Riverside I think moving to Brum will be a no no.

I agree with Jmc's post on how I think we are better off as a squad with the in's and out's so far.

However Boro cannot afford to lose Yakubu without finding a replacement, and we still need a RW.

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 27, 2007 11:11 AM

Very Happy wrote...

Eric Paylor's feature on Alan Smith tells me to get ready to rumble. Far too many words were used in his article to believe anything, but other.

If Alan Smith does arrive at the club it will further increase the bite for others to drive forward and shoot, regardless of where he is positioned.

It is a squad that GS is building, not 11 players.

His vision and awareness are both tip top and if we buy another forward who is a lot livelier in box than the Yak, then the goals would come.

Be interesting to see how much the Boro get for our penalty taker and where he ends up?

Finally, not conceding goals also scores points, so both ends must match up.


Posted by: Very Happy  | July 27, 2007 2:02 PM

Neil wrote...

Ian, point taken about the rebranding being a "missed opportunity". It could have been handled better, but I think some folks are just being picky and starting to criticize the club for everything it does or doesn't do. How many clubs do involve their supporters in the design of kits, badges etc?

On to the transfer market...I'd like to see us get in at least one new midfielder. I agree with John P about Ghaly. At 2 million, he would be another steal, and his pace would fit in with SG's new vision for the team. Can't understand why we didn't go after the Swede who's going to Bolton. Maybe SG knows something we don't.

On the striker front, Roque Santa Cruz is available, but we don't seem to be linked with him. Not sure about Mido. Watched a rerun of Fulham v Spurs in the FA Cup yesterday, and he almost scored twice...in his own goal, although he did provide two flick ons for Keane to score. Could he be a target man for Yak (presuming he stays) to feed off?

Well, I'll be back home by Sunday in sunny (well, maybe not) Redcar. Looking forward to taking my kids to both the AZ and the Blackburn game. Hopefully, we'll witness first hand Southgate's new Boro.

Posted by: Neil  | July 27, 2007 3:10 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Yak has many qualities but what he doesnt do is hold the ball up or attack the ball in the box. He is certainly not a sniffer in the Fowler mould or a header of the ball like Hughie McIlmoyle.

He would be a loss if he left because he does score goals, yes he does score penalties but most of those he creates himself and for all peoples quibbles they are mostly for people manhandling him in the box.

What we cannot quantify is how he will fit in with the new style we intend to play. If he came would Smith give more to the team?

Whatever, Gate is moving in the right direction. Got to resolve the right side of midfield and that will go a long way to balancing the side.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 27, 2007 3:34 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Ian Gill

The Yak has a great future and so has the club, but not together. The direction is to keep things moving, not stuck on some Zebra crossing.

I notice the mention of Mido, on the board.

Is he for offers AV?

**AV writes: He is certainly available.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 27, 2007 3:56 PM

Malc wrote...

As regards Fletcher, Powls let it go man, the kid's no better than Greening.

Mido is a moody lunatic, just ask the Egypt manager. Smith can't score and is as cumbersome as a cart horse. Now Rocque Santa Cruz for 4.5m is worth a punt if we keep Yak. If we lose the big Nigerian then we must sign someone of Defoe's calibre.

To round up, if we keep our current squad (can release Mendi and Davies) but add Santa Cruz and possibly a right sider like Ghaly we'll be in great shape.

Posted by: Malc  | July 27, 2007 4:39 PM

Very happy wrote...

Malc

I saw Davies on many occasions shine far better that any other player on the pitch last season.

He is not a Mendi, because he's coming to the end of his career and Davies has a future ahead.

The only cart horse I have seen at the Boro was Ricketts and he left a few droppings on the pitch
that a JCB couldn't lift.

Defoe is in Europe now! ££££££££££

Please keep up the names coming though?

Posted by: Very happy  | July 27, 2007 5:49 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Very Happy

As you can see from my last posting I have mixed views about Yak, he has plus and minus points.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 27, 2007 7:32 PM

Clive Hurren wrote...

AV

This is the most optimistic board I've read for yonks! With one or 2 exceptions people seem to be backing GS and the new signings and looking forward to a new season and a new style. Great! As Boro fans we're a moaning bunch generally, so this comes as a breath of fresh air.

However, there is a very serious down-side; Sky reported today that Boro are the only Premiership club not to have increased season ticket sales.

I don't really understand this as someone who lives out of the area - after all we were UEFA Cup Finalists just 15 months ago.

But we've rehearsed the reasons often enough on here - poor football in recent seasons, failure to turn up against poor opposition, TV in pubs, the club's best efforts to alienate fans,(and maybe, a wrong decision to peg rather than reduce season ticket prices - Bolton and Blackburn seem to have done OK following their reductions.

But it does make us less competitive and is very worrying. We clearly need at least 1 more big name signing to influence a lot more folk to go to games

Failing that, I just hope that the new attacking, pacey approach works, is attractive and that we turn over the "easier" sides we play early on. Sadly, that looks to be the only way we'll get back the missing thousands.

Posted by: Clive Hurren  | July 27, 2007 9:06 PM

mohd alan wrote...

AV

Quite some debate about the club involving the fans in decisions; badge, kit etc. Did the club ever involve the fans? I think not

I think the distinction between the Boro and MFC sums it up perfectly. I am a Boro supporter but Middlesbrough Football Club plc or whatever is just a corporate identity to me and does not resonate with me at all.

I tried the MFC web site last night to se if I could order a new shirt, guess what they are still displaying last seasons!

Incidentally and I realise i am off message, but I do hold the distinction of being one of the few Boro supporters to see Dong Goal Less score, albeit from a streaky penalty in the Asia Cup.

Also surely the big guy in the Incredibles was modelled on Mark Schwarzer, my eight year old boy was watching the DVD and pointed out the resemblance to me.

Maybe old scissorhands has a second career as a saviour of the world lined up, he did not get close to saving any of the penalties Japan put past him!

Regards
Mohd Alan

Posted by: mohd alan  | July 27, 2007 10:03 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Clive

We do have the chance to make a statement of intent first match against Blackburn. They are just the hard working type of team, with skill it must be said, that we regularly lose against having not earned the right to play.

It would be great to get off to a flier and get the crowd going from the off by playing with pace and passion. There are many positives as Gate trys to rebuild.

Last year against Blackburn was a classic no point being late at both ends of the match, Boro just didnt turn up for the first half and decided to leave at half time to avoid the rush.

It wont be a huge crowd because they normally dont bring many, we may be down on season tickets, people on holiday and the wait and see scenario from many fans.

Play well and entertain and we would see fans coming back. Revert to type and show the same old failings and we could see crowds in the low twenties as mutters of same old Boro will be the order of the day.

The problem is you only get one chance at a first impression, it is up to the players to deliver. If they do the fans should follow but it is unlikely we will be back to 32-33000 average attendances for some time yet.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 28, 2007 10:11 AM

Very Happy wrote...

Bernie Slaven

You are doing my head in, because you talk as if Viduka and the Yak are the only two strikers on Planet Earth.

Viduka wanted out which puts that to sleep! The Yak needs replacing by a striker, such as you were ONCE.

Someone who pounces on everything and plays the off side rule to a T. He should have scored quite a few more goals last season, but pace and anticipation play no part in his overall profile.

The ball over the top is very often the killer blow, as we have found out on many occasions, but when we play that pass, mushrooms have grown before our cavalry arrive.

However, let’s take the forwards out of this equation, because we have 9 other players on the pitch who wear a pair of football boots according to my last count.

Midfielders are strikers, central defenders are strikers, full backs are strikers. The goalie even could bag a penalty if we are 10 – 0 up with a minute to play.

When we are defending a corner or a set piece, it matters not who clears the ball, because we are a unit. That means we ebb and flow and cover each others backs to make certain we leave no holes.

We need to go away from home and learn to master boring 0-0 draws, because points bring prizes.

If we beat Blackburn on the opening day of the season 2 -0 and Arca and Cattermole score the goals, then that is progress.

If the same thing happens in the next match then that is further progress.

We either adapt or sink, otherwise its welcome to the Riverside Circus all over again, because we will always be a basement team.

Finally, I know you are a great guy by the way, but I wish you had been a damned defender!!!

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 28, 2007 4:11 PM

F T Maxwell wrote...

Just like to say that I am completely overwhelmed by the prolific goal scoring antics of Aliadiere and Tuncay during the close season. Immense stuff!

Posted by:  F T Maxwell  | July 28, 2007 5:12 PM

steve h wrote...

Santa Cruz is on his way to Blackburn. Both Mark Hughes and Bayern have confirmed this according to the german papers.

**AV writes: Now that's sensational... but does it mean McCarthy is on his way out?

Posted by: steve h  | July 28, 2007 7:07 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Very happy

I think we have been talking about this subject for ages. The need to play positive (not headless chicken), progressive football with lots of movement. There is skill in the squad and we need to use it.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 29, 2007 8:34 AM

Chris Gibson wrote...

On a completely different note, what happened to the Viera like potential of Henry Goulon???????

**AV writes: He is still injured.

Posted by: Chris Gibson  | July 29, 2007 1:41 PM

Never Happy wrote...

My ticket office mole now puts the season ticket sales at between 12,500 - 14,000.

**AV writes: Ouch!

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 30, 2007 9:43 AM

Very Happy wrote...

Keith Lamb and co, will be warming to the board.

It is a marketable feed-back and the whisper is that Garmin have now bookmarked AV.

I can well imagine that he is now typing away wearing the one and only new Boro top.

I am predicting that Eric Paylor is preparing to introduce a positive about Alan Smith. I would welcome the lad to our squad with open arms and I say squad.

When I watched Mido playing for Spurs he looked some player and I would welcome him on board.

That Santa Cruz has a very intricate Clause written into his contract, which states that he is not available over the Christmas period, by the way. I have emailed him and grovelled for a shirt, but I bet I get another 6 pack of socks!

Football is a funny game, because Allardyce wants 5 years to put things right and Roy Keane is more than happy with his squad.

Roy Keane is happy, because he knows his team will lay down for no-one. With capacity crowds behind them I would feel the same.

Big names are OK, but if you have a couple of highly paid sulkers it causes havoc & unrest.

Oh for another Bernie Burger – Ian.

Posted by: Very Happy  | July 30, 2007 11:27 AM

Scott Jackson wrote...

It's funny reading that we should have been in for Santa Cruz because the other options we have looked at Smith/Mido don't score.

RSC has a horrific record as a striker. Possibly worse than both of the others mentioned (Who I wouldn't have here either to be honest).

Very pleased about Young. If McMahon could stay off the treatment table for more than 10 minutes then he'll gain valuable experience from Young.

Hopefully a decent midfielder and barring too many injuries then I think we should have a decent season, hopefully push for Europe but there are so many teams all too much alike in the league now that we could finish anywhere.


There's definitely no guarantee that spending a lot of money on average players will get teams like Villa and West Ham anywhere.

The only other point I've got to make is that of all of the players that have moved into our out of clubs this pre-season, there's a very, very small list that I would have here and at the price they've gone for. £8.5 million for the likes of Reo-Coker is pure madness.

Posted by: Scott Jackson  | July 30, 2007 12:36 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Very happy

Sorry, no more Bernie Bergers. Next season it is a Gary Grill on the menu. Tend to agree about the sulkers in the squad

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 30, 2007 1:21 PM

alf wrote...

AV, anny gossip on how many season tickets we are selling. What sort of crowd can we expect against blackburn?

I've just woken up after listening to bbc radio tees commentary from the hibs game. The battle of trafalgar sounded an interesting cricket game.

Posted by: alf  | July 30, 2007 1:30 PM

Malc wrote...

Very Happy

I have to say that in my opinion, and many of those who sit around me, Davies is a total liability. He is ok at RB but at CB he is constantly out of position, as proven by the THREE red cards he got playing in the Championship.

Whenever he plays at CB, we leak a hatfull. Remember the slip against Leeds and Vid a few years back? That was the first of a catalogue of errors from bleach boy which have cost us points.

You'll see I'm usually enthusiatic as regards the Boro, but his name on the teamsheet gives us chills.

Posted by: Malc  | July 30, 2007 6:45 PM

Shaun wrote...

Agree with Malc with the Davies comments. Suprisingly enough the fans warmed to him in Derby and wanted him back - some even say he wanted to stay himself but a deal could not be struck between the two clubs.

I think he gets found out at CB. Positionally he's all wrong and he makes the wrong decisions far too often. It seems even 20-year-old Wheater is ahead of him in the pecking order so maybe he would benefit from a full season out on loan. At the moment, he just doesn't cut it in the Prem.

The season ticket situation is very worrying. Financially, I don't think we can cope with a year with crowds on a par with Fulham and Wigan. I feel this season could be a real crunch season for us.

If they can nail down another couple of players before the start of the season I've little doubt we'll hit between 28 and 30,000 for the game against Blackburn - then its down to the 11 on the park bring the crowds back.

Premiership football has become a saturated market where it is now accessible to anyone, whenever they want it. Fans no longer have to stump up their cash at the start of the season to see their team play because Murdoch & Co provide the football whenever we want it. As a result, the bigger clubs get richer while the rest have to play catch-up.

I really, really feel that 2007-08 could be a make or break season for us and there has never been a time when so much could rest on the first game of the season.

Posted by: Shaun  | July 30, 2007 10:28 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Malc

The Derby fans thought Davies was a bit reckless during his stay there. It must be remembered that in centre half terms he is still young, he is a good squad player, whole hearted and a trier. Whilst not a natural right back he is less exposed out there. A good right sided midfield player would allow him to give more solidity to the defence.

The question that has to be posed is whether he is a better prospect than Wheater, Bates and co.

One of the problems of having a succesful youth policy is the fact there are not enough places in the squad for them. ManU's golden generation blocked progress for young players because they were all a similar age. Very tricky.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 30, 2007 10:45 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Shaun

We have been lucky that for several years the opening home match has normally been against one of the big guns although sometimes televised.

The visit of Blackburn is very much a crunch match. They are one of the less well supported teams so they wont bring 3,000 fans.

If stories are true that many people are not buying their season tickets then we are dependent on the mood of a large core of on the day fans.

I don't think any new signings will make a great deal of difference unless they are of the spectacular variety (and I am not having a go at use of the word spectacular in previous communications).

As I posted earlier and as you state it is important to start the season in the right manner. Blackburn will be tough opponents, their pre- season has been the Intertoto cup qualification so they will certainly be ready.

I don't know whether your attendance estimate will be right or not but whatever the number many may well be the "I didn't renew but here is a chance to entertain me" variety.

In future I suspect many will turn up depending on results and performances. Very much performance related pay and that goes for the club as well as the team.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 31, 2007 9:18 AM

Very Happy wrote...

It matters not who you play on the opening game, its only advantage is being at home.

When Chelsea lost 2 – 1 against the Boro last season the title race was blown wide open. I even told some Chelsea die-hards prior to the game that their wheels would be coming off but, they persisted in reeling off all their big names to me and how much they cost.

If my memory serves me right the mentions of 5 - 0, 7 - 0, 4 - 0 etc were also reeled off.

I backed the Boro to win therefore, I had two laughs.

Blackburn will be a hard game I quite agree and so will the Readings and the Sunderland’s. But, one of the lesser teams will take the wheels off one of the high fliers early on and give the bookies a big pay day again.

Finally, I bet Alan Smith scores against Blackburn Rovers.


Posted by: Very Happy  | July 31, 2007 11:59 AM

alf wrote...

usually the opening home game of the season is a big crowd. i sense this one is not going to be. expect a crowd of 25k. will the club then finally realise things need to change

Posted by: alf  | July 31, 2007 1:01 PM

dave wrote...

I dont think Southgate rates our youth academy as high as we all think. Southgate filled a lot of positions up with new signings that will block most of the young players progress. 2 centre backs, 1 right back, right midfielder,1 central midfielder,possibly 3 strikers. only taylor and downing look like surviving

Posted by: dave  | July 31, 2007 1:21 PM

Steve wrote...

A bit off track but the quote from "Jimmy" Morrison would tick me off if I was a Jock.....
Emphasis on the words "they" and "they're":-

James said “What won me over was the plans the manager has for Scotland and where THEY'RE going".

“The rankings show THEY are on the way up and with a few more players fitting in THEY can go even further.�

Also:- “My nationality is English and I think I could play for them.......

Having lived in Scotland for 10 years (now returned safely), I hope for his sake the Daily Record doesn't get hold of these quotes. If they do his Scotland career is doomed before he kicks a ball. The Hampden chicken runners will deep fry him.

Posted by: Steve  | July 31, 2007 2:12 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Quotes from BBC's gossip page

Sunderland have rejoined the race to sign Manchester United striker Alan Smith. (The Sun)

But Middlesbrough are close to winning the battle after offering Smith a massive £60,000-a-week contract. (Daily Mirror)

Although Everton are said to be favourites to pip Newcastle to the signing of Smith. (Daily Mail)

The only comment is where are West Ham, Bolton, Man City, Birmingham etc.

Alf

As posted earlier we normally have a big club as our first home game. Would normally expect 27,000 against Blackburn, I think most people would think that would be a reasonable gate. Whatever, a good peformance is needed.

Past first home games are
01 gunners 31557
02 fulham 28588
03 gunners 29450
04 toon 34268
05 lpool 31905
06 chelsea 29198

Posted by: Ian Gill  | July 31, 2007 4:30 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Below is the view’s posted by the Racing Post on Boro’s signings

Jeremie Aliadiere Arsenal to Middlesbrough, £2m

The striker was the apple of Arsene Wenger's eye when he was making a name for himself in the Arsenal reserves, but Aliadiere has failed to train on and disappointed in loan spells at Wolves, Celtic and West Ham.

He has been given numerous chances by Wenger, yet the facts are Aliadiere is too slow, lightweight and injury prone and Middlesbrough may regret this signing.

Verdict Almost certain to flop.

Tuncay Sanli Fenerbahce to M'boro,free

Gareth Southgate will be delighted to have captured a player who has established himself as one of the leading lights in Turkish football

Tuncay Sanli has notched 50 league goals during his last four seasons with Fenerbahce but, at the age of 25, he has opted to test himself in one of Europe's major leagues.

Tuncay has already chalked up 43 caps and 13 goals for his country and has every right to approach the new challenge with confidence.

He may take time to adjust to the physical demands of Premiership, but his quality should shine through.

Verdict Destined to be a success.

Luke Young – Charlton to M'boro, £2.5m

In a summer of transfer madness, Middlesbrough will feel chuffed to have picked up England's third-choice right back for just £2.5m.

Young went to Charlton from Tottenham in search of regular first-team football in July 2001 and he gave the club six years of excellent service. The Addicks will be sad to see him go, but Alan Pardew felt he could not stand in the way of a player who has plenty more to offer in the top flight.

Boro will also benefit from Young's versatility – he was often used as a centre-back during his formative years at White Hart Lane.

Verdict Excellent signing

One thing I did not expect to read was that Aliadiere was slow

Posted by: Never Happy  | July 31, 2007 4:50 PM

pauline wrote...

Hi AV
Ian Gill recalled McIlmoyle in one of his communications. I don't think there is another player in the Prem who is as good at heading as he was. There hasn't been one since the inception of the Prem! (Don't think Alan Gilzean played in the Prem.)

Both John Terry and Sol Campbell can head the ball well at set pieces, but not with the guile displayed by McIlmoyle. Heading is a dying art thanks to the worry of brain damage. Perhaps it is just that this is so?

As for James Morrison being picked to play for Scotland, well good luck to the lad. His comments on the progress of Scotland are at least sensible. He hasn't included himself by saying "we" because he has thought of himself as an England player.

I expect though that once he pulls on the jersey he will commit himself fully to the cause and earn the right to say "we"! To my way of thinking that is as it should be.

At least he isn't too tired to play for his country, unlike some others I could mention!

Regards

Pauline, Acklam.

Posted by: pauline  | July 31, 2007 9:05 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Many moons ago when Boro announced a freeze on ticket prices we had a debate about should they have been reduced.

At that time I aired the view that was ok as long as the club provided value for money in terms of new players and quality of football. In addition there had to be real efforts to engage the fans by the club to enhance the product.

Since then we have had various discussions on this topic (shirts, badge, sponsor, mixed messages from the club, usual PR, involving the fans etc) and in many peoples eyes they havent done so.

Today Blackburn announced an increase in season ticket sales of 10% following their price reduction.

We are now at the point where it looks like we have had a serious shortfall in ticket sales. I still think that whilst ticket prices are a factor there is much else needs to be done. Then I checked the price for the Blackburn match, at £24 that is not brilliant. Then I noticed that on bank holiday weekend it will cost minimum £31 to watch Toon.

I am going on holiday so it makes no diference to me but I can see it being a disincentive to the new pay as you go fans who have decided not to renew.

I sense some low crowds coming up.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 1, 2007 11:05 AM

alf wrote...

"Boro will also benefit from Young's versatility – he was often used as a centre-back during his formative years at White Hart Lane. "

we have an injury crisis of centre backs so he might end up playing as a centre back against blackburn.

Still unsure about young. charltons defence was very poor last season and i remember some of our players giving young a tough time. is he has good as a couple of years ago?

Posted by: alf  | August 1, 2007 11:37 AM

Never Happy wrote...

We are led to believe that things are changing at the Riverside.

One thing that has not changed if Pogi's injury is confirmed, is that it appears that the medical staff still cannot recognise when a player is injured. Why has it took so long to decide that Pogi needed to see a specialist.

Ian is right when he describes them as the 'witch doctors of Hurworth'

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 1, 2007 11:39 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

Woodie and Huth have no chance of starting the season, Riggott is injured as usual, Pogo may need an operation (dont get me going Never Happy), Bates has a knee to rebuild. That will leave Davies and Wheater vs McCarthy and Santa Claus.

Meanwhile Captain Gate is stood on the bridge of the good ship Hurworth with a telescope to his eyepatch saying 'Injury Crisis, I see no injury crisis'.

Just as well that Powls is on holiday spending his signing on fee from Comeonboro.com

Posted by: Ian Gill  | August 1, 2007 2:17 PM

Andy H wrote...

On holiday in Texas and just been to the FC Dallas game against LA Galaxy no Beckham but a very good Abel Xavier played in this 11 goal thriller.

Xavier stood out not just because of the blonde hair and the fact he was the tallest on the pitch but because of his command in defence and his one touch passing - he obviously wasn't going to be in the Boro plans for next season but he certainly had the talent and skill to help in defence and he looks like he will be an asset for the LA Galaxy - Beckham will just bring inthe money.

Posted by: Andy H  | August 1, 2007 4:07 PM

Very Happy wrote...

Five Boro centre-backs all sidelined is a crisis GS.

In fact, add one more to the list and we have an NHS ward at St James Cook.

Friendly games were once exactly that and everyone WALKED off the pitch smiling as they shook each others hands. We use to see a few Red faces, but never Red cards.

Imagine coming on to the pitch for the pre- match kick about and the club announce a late team change, because Billy the Kid, our star striker has pulled everything barring his gun. He will be out for six weeks, but a £40-000 pound Giro will cushion the blow.

3 weeks later Billy has gone for a short holiday to recoup on the Island of Mauritius. Billy says� climbing the stairs to my £10 grand a week home on stilts, is building my strength up�.

I think I need a break Billy, hopefully the left leg and a week in Whitby feeding the Seagulls.

Keeep smiling!

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 1, 2007 4:35 PM

Lee wrote...

Why do Boro fans always think there is someone to blame behind the scenes for players getting injured? Injury is part of being a pro athlete, there is'nt anyone to blame, it happens.

Posted by: Lee  | August 1, 2007 11:35 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Lee - Yes injuries are part and parcel of the game, however for the medical staff at Boro to take two weeks to decide if Pogi is injured or not injured is someones fault

Posted by: Never Happy  | August 2, 2007 8:47 AM

Very Happy wrote...

Lee

There was once a time in football when players used to let a tackle go, in pre-season games. It was seen as the acceptable thing, which explains a lot about injuries.

Those days are long gone, because friendly games are anything but friendly. The Masters tournament on the Tele, showed the aggressive passion of older players.

The will to win is now at an time high, so just imagine the amount of injuries that will occur once the real McCoy gets underway.

Banter makes the day though and eventually a sponsor will be found for the stretchers. Then each player will their own framer-designed made-to-measure pole carrier.

A Korean company called “Take-away� may well get their feet under the stretchers’/table.

If it was done like a Benny Hill sketch, it would cut down on extra time as well.

Have a great season.

Posted by: Very Happy  | August 2, 2007 11:24 AM

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