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Exit Xavier In Model Departure

Posted by on May 8, 2007 9:53 AM | 

ABEL XAVIER will leave the club in the Summer after failing to agree a contract extension. That is probably the right decision as although he was among Boro's most consistent and committed performers this season, at 34 he was only ever a stop-gap. It is a priority that the right-back slot can be filled with permanent quality next season as Boro plan for the future.

Xavier was an enigmatic media presence who had a knack for saying the right things at the wrong time. His boat-rocking exercise in January - a veiled 'come and get me' hint to other clubs that he was available if they moved quickly - will not have done him any favours, especially after Boro salvaged his career after his drugs ban. Neither will his impromtu appearance on the Three Legends last month. Although much of what he said about the club's need for passion and direction and leadership had merit and a ring of truth, and he himself came across as a sincere individual, the freelance media operation aimed at putting pressure on to win a new deal and revealing he was the lowest paid players at the club -possibly true - will not have gone down well in certain quarters.

His farewell message though is delivered with good grace, humility and respect. It should become the template for departing players who want to tick all the right boxes and leave with a bit of self-respect and with the fans on side.

His message to the Boro web site mfc.co.uk said:

"I would like to say thank you to Middlesbrough Football Club and to the chairman Steve Gibson, who is a great person, enthusiastic and someone who wants to take the club forward. Thank you also to Keith Lamb and to Gareth Southgate for the support they gave me.

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"Gareth has my respect as a person and as a coach. We have not reached agreement to extend my contact but I accept that decision. We move in different directions but with mutual respect.

"I would like to say thanks also to the players because they are the most important thing in football and when you realise we spend a lot of time together, we are a family. For that reason a special tribute because through good times and bad times the players always support each other. There are different but the most important thing is to all have the same objectives.

"Gareth Southgate is the correct person to take the club forward because he has respect as a person and as a coach. That is a great quality because most of the time this does not happen with players that become managers, as they lose respect towards the players. When this is missing the players do not show respect to the manager but this is not the case with Gareth.

"To the Middlesbrough fans, a special message that they must support the club and stick with Gareth. You have a good chairman who supports the manager. The supporters must be part of the same objective. I would like to say thanks for their support to me because the fans are very passionate about the club and are anxious for success and I hope the club achieves that."

The key things that leap out there are the repeated refrain that it is important for the team to have the same objectives - which is undoubtedly true - and that the fans must share in that vision. The sting in the tail is that they must lay off the boss and back Steve Gibson's project.

Xavier was always divisive figure, especially after his controversial return from a year long suspension for testing positive for a banned steroid. His mitigation that it was taken inadvertantly as part of a dietary supplement was accepted by UEFA who cut his original 18 month ban. The ingredient that set the chemical alarms off is in my asthma inhaler (it increases oxygen intake) but it doesn't noticeably improve my perfromance in five-a-side.

But he was also undoubtedly a committed performer, a battler, a leader and someone who adopteda professional winning attitude that will be missed. Realistically though he was no spring chicken and that he was even brought back after a year out - and made it into the first team - is an indictment of the rest of the squad's right backs. It has been a problem position and that problem must now be solved for the long term.

Comments (46)

John Powls wrote...

Well, from my list of releases under the previous thread, that's one down. It seems likely that Parns will be the next to follow.

Since both we and Fulham are now safe I'd like to see Tony Mc have a run out in the first team on Saturday.

Maybe the others who are out of contract, Mendi, Christie et al will go the same way soon.

Good work, so long as it doesn't stop there - I hope the securing of targets is done with the same alacrity.

I understand the eulogy, Vic, but words are empty and cheap from someone who has so conspicuously lacked any professional integrity. But at least they were the right words.

I see a rumour this morning that Brum are leading the 'race' to sign The Boat. Wasn't aware that there was a race, or indeed that we or he had fired the starting pistol.

Know anything, Vic, or is this just hackery?

**AV writes: Well it would solve a growing problem. Although we are entering open season for hackery.

Posted by: John Powls  | May 8, 2007 10:39 AM

alf wrote...

He is obviously leaving on good terms in the media so then another club will take a chance on him. No one would take on someone with a drugs ban and a bad attitude. He knows that few clubs will come in for him after being banned for drugs. good PR exercise for him after what he said in january

Good luck to him though.

Posted by: alf  | May 8, 2007 10:45 AM

alf wrote...

on a side issue, he backs southgate but when you see teams around us sacking managers.(newcastle) then probably pearce in the summer and west ham now not far behind us..we have to question that if we havent progressed this time next year if southgates job should be at risk.

Are we all just happy to tread water?

Posted by: alf  | May 8, 2007 11:15 AM

Reverend HonkyTonk wrote...

Glad he's gone. It was immoral of us to re-sign him.

But then in a game of few morals, who really give's a rat's ass?

Posted by: Reverend HonkyTonk  | May 8, 2007 12:07 PM

alf wrote...

Reverend HonkyTonk, when money talks being immoral goes out of the window. Gibson said at the time if eh got found guilty he would be sacked..then we re-sign him when we are desperate for a right back.

We were probably persuaded to re-sign him when xavier said he was happy to play for next to nothing.

Bit hypocritical of gibson really, I mean once someone is sacked in there work place, rarely do they get a job back there in the future. It did send the wrong signals out of what sort of club mfc is

Posted by: alf  | May 8, 2007 1:21 PM

Nigel wrote...

Alf re 'but we have Woodgate the saviour' and your point is?

My point is that away from home Boros defensive record is good at home it is not. Same personel different tactics.

We need to be tighter defensively at home while still playing attacking football and more positive away while still keeping it tight. Not an easy balnce to strike.

However as I'm sure you realise Woodgate is not the only player in the team responsible for defending, and where would we be without him? In the championship maybe?

As for Xavier his parting comments are far more professional than Maccarone's were, I say good luck, he was clearly unlucky to be tested positive for illegal drugs.

At right back we have Tony Mac coming back who looked good a couple of years ago.I believe to make a difference next year we need a replacement for Boateng as well as winger. Whats more irrespective of whether Viduka stays or goes we need more goals from midfield.

I also believe that GS should keep Rocky!

Posted by: Nigel  | May 8, 2007 1:43 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

I must admit I didnt think he had a long term future with the club though 33 years old hasnt stopped us in the past.

Good that he has left with good grace and some fine words. I dont really care if they were for the media or not, it is better than getting into a war of words.

It does set the tone for us to move on and have a good summer of ins and outs.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 8, 2007 2:29 PM

Shaun wrote...

Eyebrows were raised when we signed Xavier, mine included, but he has demonstrated the type of desire we want to see in the 16 players named on that teamsheet, week-in, week-out. I haven't seen his level of passion from the Boro players in a long time. Cattermole excluded.

I think good teams are built on being difficult to score against, therefore being difficult to beat. The defenders have to hate letting in a goal as much as the strikers enjoy smashing them home, and that attitude needs drilling into the players. I've watched us concede goals and I can't say that any one player as projected a real sense of disappointment at doing so.

I don't know if this means we need changes in the coaching area or what, but it is something that needs putting right.

Too many players are playing knowing they are getting their shirts every week without any real competition. Schwarzer has had his time now, we need a right-back, left-back, right/centre midfielder and possibly, a striker.

A few million from Sky isn’t going to stretch that far so once again, Mr Gibson will have to dig deep…

Posted by: Shaun  | May 8, 2007 3:30 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" Glad he's gone. It was immoral of us to re-sign him. "

Immoral ? You make me laugh. Xaviers case aside I think anyone deserves a second chance in life, be that in or outside of football, or do you not agree with that principle?

According to what a quick search on the internet tells me Xavier proved that the substance was in a supplement that he took and that's why the ban was reduced.

The ban was not lifted because according to the rules the player is ultimately responsible for what he takes. This means that if a Boro player goes to eat in a restaurant somewhere and a mad fan sprinkes some steroids on his food then according to the rules he should be banned.

Please feel free to correct me on this rule AV as i could be totally wrong on my understanding of what are complicated rules and regulations.

Getting back to Xavier i will be sad to see him go as i think he was a great example to the kids, an excellent prescence for GS to have around and to ask advice of and that he did a great job for us.

But his staying was not to be so i simply say thanks, goodbye and goodluck and who do we get in next.

A model pro and yes, a model way to leave a club.

I hope that we find someone around the age of 30 / 31 with great experience who can bring a similar helping hand to GS, has the same 110 percenter attitude and with even more ability on the pitch.

I think another woodyesque defender would make us one of the strongest back fours anywhere in the league and if we can achieve that then i think that next season will see us improve endlessly.

The kids we have are good and it is credit to everyone involved at the academy, but i do feel that the majority of them are not up to playing in this league and never will be and so it would be a mistake to build a team around them.

TB

**AV writes: Players are deemed responsible in UEFA regulations but in almost every case they are instructed in their contract that they must check every item of medication, every dietary supplement, every herbal tea with the club doctor.

That he didn't was the grounds on which the club sacked Xavier when he tested positive and when his appeal failed. For a consummate professional it was a major lapse in judgement even by the most generous interpretation.

I guess the reason some people question the morality of re-signing him is that the club made a very robust condemnation of performance enhancing drugs when he faile dhis test. To climb down so quickly on that stance when he became available again raises a string of questions that you can't really blame people asking.


Posted by: tonyblack  | May 8, 2007 3:49 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" **AV writes: Players are deemed responsible in UEFA regulations but in almost every case they are instructed in their contract that they must check every item of medication, every dietary supplement, every herbal tea with the club doctor. "

I read somewhere that he did this and that part of his defence was the actual testimony of his doctor. Dont' know if he was a club doctor but i'll see which site i read this on just to check.

" I guess the reason some people question the morality of re-signing him is that the club made a very robust condemnation of performance enhancing drugs when he failed his test. To climb down so quickly on that stance when he became available again raises a string of questions that you can't really blame people asking. "

I don't blame anyone for asking any questions especially when it is to do with their beloved football club which in many cases they have supported since their childhood.

What I cannot stand is the attitude of morality and people's perception of it.

" It was immoral of us to re-sign him. "

Why was this immoral ?

Upon whose interpretation of morality are we supposed to judge these cases ?

Is it immoral of one of my best friends to be given a second chance now that he is out of prison ? Should he be forever cast out because of what he did ? His crime wasn't one that was premeditated it was a moment of madness and so now that he has served his time he does deserve a second chance, not because he served his time but because he knows what he did was wrong.

As far as i'm concerned the drugs ban isn't an issue here because the ban was reduced upon evidence and it looks in my opinion as if he wasn't guilty of any wrong doing. That's just how i see it.

Even had Xavier been actually guilty, had he owned up and really felt remorse for his actions as a result of an understanding of why his actions were so wrong then I would say the same thing, i.e. he deserves a second chance.

There is absolutely no place in any sport for drug cheats and i do not for one moment seek to justify or condone the actions of drug cheats.

But at the end of the day people are people and are only human and when they unfairly accused / unfairly found guilty, or when they make a mistake and truly understand why their actions are so wrong and abhorrent, then i for one am only two happy to give them a second chance.

The re signing of Xavier was far from immoral in my opinon. As for what the chairman said at the time i have no idea as i have no idea as to what he did say.

Thanks Abel. Good luck and all the best for the future.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | May 8, 2007 4:44 PM

Mike wrote...

"Woodgate the saviour"??

Personally I would rather have re-signed Xavier than sign an injury prone Woodgate who to be honest isn't that much better than the likes of Huth, Riggott or Pogatetz.

Sure, he is an England international and a "big name", and has played well this season, but he's been at fault for a lot more goals than either Xavier, Pogatetz or Taylor.

I personally feel that Xavier has been treated badly by the club. Fair enough, he made a mistake taking the banned medication, but he came back and redeemed himself with some quality consistent performances which I think, deserved a new 2 year deal.

People will disagree that at 34 he's too old, but i'd rather resign him for say £25k a week than fork out £7m and massive wages on a player who only slightly improves the team.

Posted by: Mike  | May 8, 2007 5:38 PM

alf wrote...

Maybe xavier did take the drug by accident but how do you know?as adults sportmen shoud be resonsible enough to know what they can take.

For starters all it takes to ask the club doctor or contact the FA to see if a product is banned or not. SImilarly an adult is responsible to not drink when driving. or they are responsible that the tires have enough tread

All sportsmen who take a banned drug and get caught, always say that they were innocent..etc Surely they all cant be innocent?

"Getting back to Xavier i will be sad to see him go as i think he was a great example to the kids,"

dont agree, he may seem a decent chap but taking banned substances is not a good example to kids and made even worse by the club bring him back. as a 31 year old at the time he should know what cant be taken

Posted by: alf  | May 8, 2007 5:38 PM

tamSPIDER wrote...

seriously.. i can't believe he actually quit middlesbrough fc.. he's been really out standing.. it's kinda difficult to find a player of his calibre.. good luck to xavier though..

southgate really going to have a big headache during the summer.. it's going to be a right-back.. a right-wing.. a striker..

Posted by: tamSPIDER  | May 8, 2007 5:55 PM

jonnybegone wrote...

Xavier read the game well but had no pace. Hopefully we will have more attacking options on the right next season and a right back who has pace will be important.

Our right winger (wether that is james Morrisin ir someone else) will need to have the freedom to get forward knowing that the right back will not be caught out.

Posted by: jonnybegone  | May 8, 2007 10:22 PM

tonyblack wrote...

" Maybe xavier did take the drug by accident but how do you know?as adults sportmen shoud be resonsible enough to know what they can take.

For starters all it takes to ask the club doctor or contact the FA to see if a product is banned or not. SImilarly an adult is responsible to not drink when driving. or they are responsible that the tires have enough tread

All sportsmen who take a banned drug and get caught, always say that they were innocent..etc Surely they all cant be innocent? "

Hi Alf,

obviously i only know what i have read about this case from various web sites, so as you rightly say i don't really know anything. But given that it all comes from reports of the actual case then i don't think that i'm wide of the mark.

As i understand it Xavier DID have all the things he was taking checked by a doctor who then gave evidence on his behalf.

The supplement he took had something in it that wasn't on the lable and so was contaminated and that's why he tested positive.

He then showed that what he took was in fact contaminated and so this is why the ban was reduced. It wasn't lifted because at the end of the day, whether he knew that it was contaminated or not the responsibility was still his, and for me this rule MUST change so that the rules are made fair and just.

Again Alf, i could be well off the mark here but if this is how it all happened then it means that the rules are a joke becuase no one could ever possibly know what is and what isn't going to be contaminated.

When i first heard about this case it rasied all these questions to me and i personally think that these rules need to be looked at so that there is absolutely no escape for the real drug cheats and justice for those who are not but fall foul of the rules by accident.

I absolutely agree with you though that this is an " excuse " that anyone could use.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | May 9, 2007 8:05 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

The Xavier case shows the mess sport has got into with drug testing, liability and consequences.

If we look at athletics we have one athlete who missed three tests and recived a twelve month ban from competing and a lifetime ban from the olympics - I am not even going to try and spell the ladies name.

In another branch of athletics a triathalon competetitor mised three tests around the same time and received a three month ban. There is the wide spread belief that several countries, including the US, hide test results of famous athletes.

In football we had the Ferdinand case where he missed a test, tried to take it the same day but eventually had the test the next day and passed. He got 8 months.

Twelve months earlier a Citeh player missed a test and was fined £3,000. At the same time as Blatter was calling for Ferdinand to be banned for two years a player failed a drugs test at FIFA competition and was banned for six months.

If the facts are correct Xaviers suplement was contaminated, he took it after checking with a doctor and had a ban reduced to 12 months.

In Tennis players were given contaminated supplements by the official tour trainers and several famous players escaped bans. Several footballers fell foul of supplements at the same time but were banned - Jap Stam was one.

I am not defending or condoning drug taking in sport but I dont have a clue what is the truth in all the above cases. Looking at them as a sports fan justice does seem rather haphazard in its application.

On to another topic about justice, Mr Ball received his come uppance for his stamp on Ronaldo - I can sense a torrent of serves him right on the way. What it does show yet again is that if the FA have the guts to do so, much cheating can be eradicated from sport by looking at video evidence.

Every week we see examples picked up at all levels from Premiership to Conference level of incidents. Sometimes they prove inconclusive, often they show things that players should be ashamed of.

They wont be able to nail every dive but people will know they are looking and it wont take many being caught to reduce the incentive to cheat.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 9, 2007 9:42 AM

Nigel wrote...

Mike , you're havong a laugh aren't you? Without Woodgate we'd be in the Championship by now.

How good would Pogatez be playing next to Riggot? Woody gives the whole team confidence. Signing him for £7m was a bargain. This is a guy who was good enough to play for Real Madrid who didn't succeed there simply because he was unlucky with a major injury.

Posted by: Nigel  | May 9, 2007 9:45 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

PS

AV can we have a blog about the disappearance of the message board. Like many, I dont like these peculiar thread based themes and prefer the current set up of message board and your blog.

Have the Gazette taken a leaf out of MFC's wonderful PR operation and decided to move on without consulting the fans? Is this another illusion of progress? Is this the Gazettes white band?

**AV writes: I never used the old Gazette messageboard so don't know a lot about how it works or the dynamics and characters there but to me the new forum layout looks visually more appealling, it is more accessible and user friendly and is far easier to navigate.

There is nothing sinister in the change, it is just technical progress. No one is using those old steam driven formats anymore. I'm not even sure if you can still get the parts.

And as for spin control, if anything a layer of moderation has been removed so it is more liberal and democratic than before and I am sure you can either ra-ra or chickenrun to your hearst content once you get used to it.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 9, 2007 9:47 AM

alf wrote...

Nigel, woodgate might have helped us stay up but also in recent months he has had some games where he has been at fault for quite a few goals like manutd, villa..etc

we all knew that pogitez was a centre back apart from mr McClaren. I would say pogitez has played aswell as pogi this season. If he was english and a local lad he would get as much praise as woodgate

Posted by: alf  | May 9, 2007 10:57 AM

Nigel wrote...

Alf - I think Pogi has played brilliantly this year, I simply question if that is partly becaus he has grown in confidence alongside Woody.

As for Woody being 'responsible' for some goals all I can say to that is his name is Jonathan and not Jesus.

Posted by: Nigel  | May 9, 2007 11:20 AM

Shaun wrote...

I have to agree with Nigel - if we didn't have Woodgate this season I seriously think we'd be looking at a different outcome to the year.

I don't have enough digits to count the amount of times he has pulled us out of the preverbial with last ditch tackles or where his footballing brain has put him in a position to make defending look so easy. If we can get Huth fit, it's an exciting partnership at centre-half next year.

I know people will say Pogatetz has had a great season, but he's a bit rash for my liking. At times he makes the wrong decisions and they can be costly. You need a lot more than heart and commitment to be a top-class defender.

Woodgate is top drawer - I've actually been lucky enough to play against him a few times as a youngster and he oozed class at 15/16.

As for Xavier... fair play to him for departing on good terms. It's good to know there are players out there with some self-respect as well as respect for a club and fans that paid them x number of thousands a week.

It sounds as though Abel may have wanted some security, a longer contract maybe? GS has got to be praised for not caving and giving it to him.

Posted by: Shaun  | May 9, 2007 12:10 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Back to an older blog, below is an extract from a premier league statement about West Ham and Tevez. Apparently they have written to all 20 clubs saying any appeal or legal proceedings cant succeed.

'The Premier League made it very clear to West Ham that unless it could be satisfied that all trace of any third-party ability to influence West Ham's policies or the performance of its team was removed, Tevez's registration would be terminated," said the letter.

"Assurances were received in a satisfactory form from West Ham. West Ham has assured us that it has terminated the contract.

"It has also indicated that under no circumstances will it regard the contract as binding on West Ham and that it will defend any proceedings brought against West Ham seeking its enforcement."

West Ham have told the premier league it has ripped up the contact, oddly I thought that unless the other party was in breach under law that wasnt possible. How can West Ham decide it isnt binding if it signed it in the first place?

What is more they will defend any proceedings brought against them. Is that for the contract that they have told us they have ripped up, the one they kept lying to the premier league about, the one they were still trying to negotiate their way out of last week?

Sorry it still smells.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 9, 2007 1:05 PM

alf wrote...

Nigel, my point being that woodgates mistakes go unnoticed but any that pogi makes gets notices.

Woodgate's mistakes get blamed on others. I think that pogi has helped woodgate as he is more physical and not afraid to sick his head wher it hurts. pogi is steve briuce/pearson and woodgate is pallister/southgate.

Not sure about Huth, he looked dodgy when he got in the team. has barely played 50 games in his league career so not sure how he will cope with playing every week.

do you think riggot will go? ideal for sudnerland or birmingham

Posted by: alf  | May 9, 2007 1:25 PM

John Powls wrote...

The curse of Hurworth strikes again and guess who didn't have the garlic and the cross - Tony Mc and Huth.

As you will know, I'm a big Tony Mc fan - at least as he was when he last played regularly - and was keen he had a run out in the Fulham game. But even I'm beginning to see the 'hard luck' story beginning to wear thin for Tony Mc and Huth.

As the old truism goes, 'you make your own luck' in pro footie. So this length of problems for both are either down to their individual physical make-up, fitness, attitude and technique or it's down to our regime at Hurworth (and you'll find a few takers for this option on the Blog, eh Tony and Ian!) or it's both.

Whatever the reason(s) we're investing in the 2 of them to play and be part of the squad on a 'much more often than not' basis - not for them to inhabit the treatment room perenially.

Our resources are never going to be such that we can carry too many season after season 'sicknotes'.

So either we see the problems individually and organisationally and sort them or if we can't or aren't prepared to then we have to let them ply their trade elsewhere.

Posted by: John Powls  | May 9, 2007 1:31 PM

tonyblack wrote...

Hi Ian

a great reply mate and i couldn't agree more with what you have said on the whole doping issue.

It's all a big guess. I guess none of us really knows what the hell has gone on with any of these cases and i absolutely agree that the whole doping situation with regards testing, what athletes should and should not be liable for and the sentencing should all be looked at.

Clear guidlines should be set out so as to avoid all of this who is / who isn't guilty inuendoing.

Thanks.

TB

Posted by: tonyblack  | May 9, 2007 2:19 PM

alf wrote...

Huth has been a bit of a bad buy, we are bought him on potential. What the club did wrong was sign him when he was injured with a dodgy ankle!

We have to forget about mcmahon and assume he wont come back as a good player, if he does then its a bonus. we cant afford to sit and wait for a player who has only played a handlful of games and always injured

Posted by: alf  | May 9, 2007 2:31 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

tony man, how can you say this guy is a model pro and an example for the kids? he got himself sacked for [performance enhancing] drugs! what sort of example is that? take dodgy supplements when your legs start to go? he left us without a decent right full back for a year. how model professional is that?

and don't give me that 'checked with a doctor' crap. it wasnt the club doctor or the quack would have got sacked and not him. he has been around football long enough to know that is stupid. he has been in italy where they know all about 'supplements'. he was only took back on again because he was cheap.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | May 9, 2007 3:05 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

John Powls

I have posted elsewhere that I had fogotten about the Rockcliffe factor when debating who should come and go.

No matter the size of the squad we could never have enough players for every position to cope with the snake oil salesmen and witch doctors that appear to masquerade as medical staff at the Boro.

Maybe we are too close to the problem and it is the same elsewhere, in their defence they have managed to nurse Woodie through a good part of the season.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 9, 2007 3:09 PM

Shaun wrote...

I think Riggott will have to leave if he wants to be guranteed a game. It's a shame because under Southgate's stewardship when they played centre-half together, he looked as though he was maturing into a good defender.

I hope he will be prepared to give it another year because a run in the team at some point could really do him some good, but I fancy him to return to Derby if they come up through the lottery (maybe with Giles Barnes coming in our direction... now that would be nice!)

Posted by: Shaun  | May 9, 2007 4:11 PM

Mike wrote...

Totally agree Alf! I can't remember Woodgate being blamed for a goal this season, although I can think of several that he was at fault for. Pogatetz has been without doubt the best and most improved player this season, and thats down to him, not because he's got Woodgate alongside him.

The fans and media just like to praise Woodgate because he's a "big name" England International and no matter how he plays he will always be praised and never criticeised. Although I think he's a great player, £7m and big wages could've been spent in a much better way.

Posted by: Mike  | May 9, 2007 6:45 PM

Scott Duncan wrote...

Mike, I have to say, i agree with Nigel!

When he was at Newcastle, Woody made Titus Bramble look like a world beater, he looked solid, reliable and rarely made mistakes. Since Woody left for pastures new, Bramble has gone from top to flop. I think the same would happen should Pogatetz be playing in the side without him.

If it weren't for Woody we would be in The Championship by now! His reading of the game and organisational skills are second to none, I think he brings to the Boro what The Gate brought with him a few years ago, with a little bit more!

As for the Xavier thing, I would like to wish him all the best of luck for the future. In every game (but one) I have seen him this season he has been one of our strongest performers, especially in games in the Cup run.

Good luck Abel, and thankyou for your kind words you had to say about our beloved club!

Posted by: Scott Duncan  | May 9, 2007 6:59 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Ian

Interesting article on why West Ham will not be deducted points v=can be found @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6638575.stm

Lawyer Mel Goldberg explains why WHU were lucky not to be deducted points and why the other PL teams are stuck with the ruling.

I agree with you that the whole think stinks.

Hopefully Man U will be on top form on Sunday and be 3 or 4 up by half time.

Then Sheff U can do the decent thing and let Wigan win 1 - 0

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 10, 2007 8:59 AM

Chris Gibson wrote...

I've Just read about Nathatn Porrit definitely going, I guarantee this will come back to bite us on the bum big style!!!

**AV writes: If the lad wants to leave a club with an excellent record of promoting youngsters to the first team from within to join a club where they buy their talent in by the coachload then good luck to him.

Posted by: Chris Gibson  | May 10, 2007 9:01 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Shaun

Riggott would have got a run but for one fact, he is never fit. There again he is not alone in that respect.

If Taylor has played his last game this season we have the following back four in the treatment room - Taylor, Huth, Riggott and McMahon.

Not bad at all, if you said there was an injury crisis at the club and you had to field that defence you would think you stood a chance because at leats they would be in their correct positions.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 10, 2007 9:10 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Never Happy,

Listened to report where Sheff Utd are asking the same sort of questions I have posed. Was tevez still ineligible when they played Sheff Utd? Has his contract been sorted yet? I have a sneaking suspicion that despite the Hammers assurances all parties to the contract are not in agreement.
They have 'told' the Premier League it is all sorted, have they shown them?

My instinct is that the hearing was delayed so that the Hammers would already be relegated so that points could be deducted without any undue pain - a bit like Leeds going into administration when already doomed.

The indepenedent commission found the offences so serious that points should be deducted but then fudged the issue so that fans were not penalised. Sadly they ignored the fans of other clubs who hadnt bent the rules to bring in two top quality international players.

West Ham will not have points deducted no matter what the clubs do. All we can hope is that ManU beat them and that Wigan win 1-0 at SheffU. Boroblade this is not personal.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 10, 2007 9:22 AM

Nigel wrote...

Alf I think Riggot will leave which is a shame because he's a good player but with Woodgate/Pogatez and Huth ahead of him his chances are going to be thin on the ground.

As for Huth I've seen him play twice and he seemed okay but we won't know I guess until he has had a run in the team. It will be interesting to see come August whether GS chooses Woody/Huth or Woody/Pogatez as the centre backs.

Mike makes an interesting point about Woodgate, I think he is lauded because he is a world class player who has decided to choose to play for his home town team, a rare loyalty. He isn't perfect but I believe he is a superb defender.

I can't quite decide what Viduka is going to do. I would be surprised if one of the big four want him, there is plenty of talent out there that they may prefer such as Owen, Berbatov, etc. My concern is that the bar codes offer him silly money that he can't refuse.

Posted by: Nigel  | May 10, 2007 10:00 AM

Shaun wrote...

Danny Graham off in the Summer. I thought we might have tried to keep him and shipped him out on loan for a season to get a bit more experience. The lad is only 21 and he's a great prospect. I'm sure GS knows what he's doing but I would have liked to see Graham stay with us.

**AV writes: He's spent most of the past two season out on loan to generally good reviews and is practically a goal a game man in the reserves but still probably lacks the finesse and clinical finishing needed in the big league.

Posted by: Shaun  | May 10, 2007 10:30 AM

alf wrote...

I always thought southgate helped carry riggot. Riggot is a good chamoionship defender. I thought it was daft when boro fans were suggesting he was the new southgate. He isnt a leader and lacks that ability to read the games. Ideal for a team like derby,west brom or wolves.

Trouble is that he is on a long term lucrative contract so we will probably end up paying him off of letting him go on a low transfer fee.

I think viduka will stay, probably none of the big clubs have come forward so he will stay. outside the top 4 can only see spurs,newcastle or everton going in for him.

I think the club have been very clever in not caving in.Its put pressure on him to start performing. its no coincidence that his run of form over last few months has been the best with his contract coming up. give him 2 years with an option of a 3rd if everyone is happy.

danny graham is just another chris freestone

Posted by: alf  | May 10, 2007 11:03 AM

shaun wrote...

Vids' form has been great recently, that's why he is in pole position at the moment. He can stay at Boro and take whatever offer is on the table, or leave on a free and rake in a massive signing on fee and similar wages to what he's on at Boro.

I would be surprised if Newcastle haven't inquired. He'd be great foil for Owen. I know Viduka has said he his happy at Boro, he's scoring goals and playing well, but while that contract remains unsigned it's got to be a worry for us.

Danny Graham will be ten times the striker Chris Freestone ever was/is (I believe he is still knocking a ball around at Arnold Town?). I take AV's point about him lacking the finishing skills to compete at the top level, but I think that is something that could have been developed with time.

Good luck to him though. If I'm wrong I'm sure he will be pulling on a Synners shirt before long...

Posted by: shaun  | May 10, 2007 11:59 AM

Ian Gill wrote...

Here is a bit of a flyer. ManU to come in for Viduka.

Not as daft as it sounds, they could spend loose change on his wages to get themselves a younger, fitter Sheringham type. Superb at holding the ball up and linking play and a goalscorer.

If he can link up our play I should imagine he could manage with Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo and Rooney.

I have not seen any rumours and you will probably think I am barmy but he is bettar than Smith and Saha.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 10, 2007 12:04 PM

alf wrote...

shaun, lets put the record straight go and find out how many goals they both scored in the top flight.

graham was never good enough and reserve football and league one/two is his level

Posted by: alf  | May 10, 2007 12:05 PM

Nigel wrote...

Ian , Viduka to Man Utd. is always a possibility but the papers seem to suggest Utd are after Owen. Which would leave N'castle needing a striker and they are prepared to pay silly wages...........

Posted by: Nigel  | May 10, 2007 12:33 PM

John Powls wrote...

Danny Graham, Christie and Xavier all gone. I wonder of someone's been reading my 'Release' list under an earlier thread. Let's hope they have and some or all of the others move on too.

I'm prseuming that since the 'out of contract' criteria apply Mendi and Parns will be next.

The trick now is to get the replacements in just as swiftly.

**AV writes: Mendieta has another year but will probably be paid up and shipped off to the USA.

Posted by: John Powls  | May 10, 2007 12:44 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Ian
Man U are going to spend 15m + wages on Hargreaves and 20m + wages on the new Ronaldho.

He is called Iila Linkio De Midfieldio.

He has Ronaldho's pace, Rooneys strength, a left foot to match Giggs and a shot like Bobby Charlton.

There will be no cash left for Vids

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 10, 2007 12:44 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Nigel and Never Happy

As I said it was just a flyer but he would only cost wages, 30 games a year, quick trip over the M62. After all old beetroot bought Sheringham.

I dont think Owen is a ManU player, he does not have the ability to link up play and may well be past his best.

Still who knows.

Finally, good luck to Christie and Graham.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 10, 2007 2:52 PM

Shaun wrote...

Alf, how can you compare one striker at the end of his career to another barely at the start? Graham started 1 first team game for Boro while the rest of his opportunities were limited to substitute appearances when the squad was thread bare.

Admitedly, he went out on loan to Derby but even there, he didn't get a consecutive run in the team.

As I've already said, he might not cut it in the Prem, but he's capable of doing a job at Championship level.

Posted by: Shaun  | May 10, 2007 7:16 PM

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