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Cartoon Stars Claim Derby Bragging Rights

Posted by on March 3, 2007 11:09 PM | 

DERBY DAY started badly for Boro as they lost 3-0 away at high-flying Warbury in 'Striker', the Sun's soccer soap comic strip. Omens abounded as the Yak failed to get past a back line marshalled by an old school agricultural free-kick machine of a defender, a constipated looking Woodgate was twice caught out as Boro leaked goals on the break and Mark Schwarzer flapped at a shot and could only parry it to an opposition player's feet in an hard to argue against 'art imitates life' kind of moment. Usually when Boro lose to Warbury they get battered in real life too. Three years running. Yes, I know. I am bidding for a life on eBay.

The day could have got a worse too. But for two far more generously scripted saves from Schwarzer and a few story board close shaves Boro could have headed back down the A19 empty-handed. As it was, despite being blunt up front and under the cosh for long spells at the back, Boro will be the happier. They have taken four points from the Geordies, can claim the crucial North-east bragging rights and left the pitch with the home fans that remained booing their own side heartily for a failure to make their territorial advantage count.

Here's a few observations:

WOODGATE is immense. He has telescopic legs. He reads the game so well and his positioning is so perfect that he rarely needs to make a tackle. He nonchalently stretches an anticipatory foot in front of a striker and casually collects, then comfortably strokes the ball with understated precision to a team-mate. He wins balls in the air. His anticipation gives him six yards start against even the fastest opponent. He makes average players around him 20% better and it is frightening to think how Boro's season would have shaped up without him (think about the home game against Portsmouth and how the Woodyless defence disintegrated).

It is almost inconceivable that far bigger clubs - and Newcastle - are not watching his every game jealously and plotting their Summer swoop. It has counted againt Boro that he has not been injured. A few spells out would leave the jaundiced press telling the world he was a crock and leave the path clear for Boro to sign him. As it is we can only hope for the best.

MAD DOG had a mare. Maybe he was mentally still tied to the physio's chair. His positioning was poor. His heading was weak. He missed tackles. He was turned and beaten for pace. He gave away free kicks in dangerous areas. On the plus side he crunched Martins. Andrew Taylor struggled too. In the first half he was tortured by the pace and trickery of first Milner then Dyer although neither made that count. And he did improve in the second half. He had an electric start to the season but has faded in recent weeks and has at times looked vulnerable. He could do with a chance to recharge his batteries but with few options at left back is unlikely to get it.

VIDUKA may have been immortalised by Boro barmy tunesmith Alistair Griffin this week but he and Yakubu were not on song. Boro's only efforts on target were harmless long range effort straight at Given. Boro were on the back foot for long spells and forced into speculative long balls forward and the pair's timing was out. Between them they put in a post-Slaven record of eight offsides then Dong-Gook came on (to much animated gesticulation and furious keyboard bashing from the sizeable Korean contingent in the pressbox ) and not only immediately wandered offside but never even made amends with his mandatory effort against the post.

In truth Boro never threatened. You don't really play the long ball do ya? Well, not effectively anyway. And the odd crisp passing move petered out before it got into the box. Deadballs were wasted too: the best placed free-kick was blasted into the wall by Stewy Downing and not many expected it do a much else, except maybe fizz over. Boro don't really have a dead ball specialist do they? Not one that scares people.

BORO fans made a right racket. The away end wasn't full at kick-off but that is mainly because many Teessiders misjudged the time needed to travel from Base Camp One to the summit of Mount Leazes. The majority arrived red-faced and wheezing with the game underway but did the lads proud with a non-stop, battling performance over the full 90. Newcastle fans, despite their side doing most of the attacking created the mandatory Premiership home side morgue atmosphere and only awoke from their catatonic state to boo at the end.

Given the tough midweek game and extra-time - no, they are not pansies and yes, they can play twice a week when they are paid that much but however you look at it the fatigue, lack of preparation and shorter recovery time compared to a side that have not played in midweek must be a factor - it was a good result for Boro. Not a great performnace, but a good result.

Comments (41)

mickymac wrote...

Seems a fair apraisal,and we were playing a big club.Lets see how we get on against a mid-week playing man utd.

Posted by: mickymac  | March 4, 2007 10:07 AM

alf wrote...

"Given the tough midweek game and extra-time - no, they are not pansies and yes, they can play twice a week when they are paid that much but however you look at it the fatigue, lack of preparation and shorter recovery time compared to a side that have not played in midweek must be a factor - it was a good result for Boro. Not a great performnace, but a good result."


you sound like our old manager..it didnt stop arsenal and manutd winning on saturday. Its our own fault for having to go to a replay.

I think in recent weeks we are having problems tryig to win games in 90 minutes. 1 win in 9 it is now including cup games. Downing is poor away from home and that rubs off onto the team and we never do enough to win games away from home. thats why we have such a poor away record. 0-0 was nailed on anyway. certainly the result a betting man would have taken

Posted by: alf  | March 4, 2007 10:22 AM

Paul Bell wrote...

Comments about losing in a comic strip, we are top dogs because we've got more points off them, etc etc, our fans are more noisy than theirs etc etc.

You appear to be a juvenile half wit as opposed to a journalist.
You have been pinching stories from the kiddies/half wits message board again, haven't you?

Posted by: Paul Bell  | March 4, 2007 3:12 PM

dave wrote...

we arnt top dogs just yet as they are still above us in the league and still in the uefa cup

Posted by: dave  | March 4, 2007 5:16 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

Downing plays better if the side is balanced and we play further up the pitch. The same goes for Yak and especially Veruka.

They need to be operating around their box not the centre circle in our half. Then it only needs one of Veruka's turns to set up a chance, Yak can muscle past the centre half, Downing can get a yard on a defender and play the ball in.

There is little doubt thatthe midweek exertions will have played their part but we didnt cave in and we got a point.

ManU and Arsenal have much better squads than we have with players on the bench we would love to have.

Lets see how ManU come through a tricky and feisty match against Lille. They have a few injuries and suspensions, I think Larsen is going back to Sweden, we may see a somewhat weakened side against us in the cup if Fergie thinks Europe and the premiership are more important.

Paul Bell

I thought I could be cutting but poor AV doesnt deserve that!

**AV writes: It's nothing that hasn't been said a thousand times before and besides I am big enough and ugly enough to take it. I can't just spike anything critical can I?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 4, 2007 5:20 PM

John Powls wrote...

Take all that's said but the crucial comment from Vic is around how we crumbled earlier in the season against Pompey (and others). But we didn't yesterday.

In several reports I heard words that I've been waiting to hear for a long time about Boro. 'Resilient, determined and organised.'

We weren't able to do a ManUre and grab all 3 points away against local rivals when not playing well but then, neither did we lose against a side which is chock full of pace, if not much else.

Win at home and draw away is good enough form in anyone's language. Help! I'm beginning to sound like Never Happy........

Also, I didn't hear Gate use the tiredness excuse either - though I think that there's a point to be made here, which Vic makes in regard to Tayls.

Because we failed to invest in the squad in the window we are paper thin in many postions and for some of the younger lads like Tayls you would want to rest them now and again - or we might just want to freshen things up either at the start or from the bench.

Despite the longer term missing like Huth we have been fortunate with injuries and suspensions in key positions this term. The loss of The Boat and Catts together for example may have been a mortal blow.

So, if we can't rest players or refresh them in other ways then how about a few days warm weather training before the ManUre game as a pick me up?

We then have Citeh with no midweek game beforehand and then an international break to get many of our squad a break, though not, presumably, Stewie, Woodie, the Aussies and maybe even Pogo if he's come out of Purdah this time.

Although we can look forward a little more now I still want us to take the next couple of strides forward in the Prem and over the 40 point barrier as soon as we can. The melee below us still has its twists and turns to go, so we need to nail Citeh.

The Hammers is difficult to read. If they are beaten again next week and have had points deducted, well that's one thing. If they win and don't, then that's another. Equally, who's to say how they'll react when they're a cert to go down. Like to see us win but....

Then it's Watford at our place. Again, need to nail the 3. At that point, if we stand on 42 or better, it's all over and we can concentrate on either the Cup and the highest finish we can get or just the latter.

I know I'm a bit late to the party but can I make an offering on the 'Average White Band'. If we want to add a bit of design into the pattern (and, of course we should keep the white band), why not make the band a diagonal like Peru in negative. We could then have the Peru kit, red diagonal on white as our away kit - it always looked stylish to me and is redolent of Mexico 70 and later, Cubillas, Chumpitaz et al, smacking goals in against the jocks etc.

Posted by: John Powls  | March 5, 2007 8:48 AM

Nigel wrote...

A point away is good enough, the midweek game was bound to have an impact, how much the players are paid or how fit they are is irrelevant. 120 mins of high intensity football is bound to take a toll.

Even if we manage two points a game average until the end of the season we won't make a UEFA cup spot from a league position now. So its an FA cup final or nowt.

THE big game of the season to date is next weekend. We need Man Utd. to have a tough game against Lille and for them to field a weakend side and then we may have a chance. Man Utd may have the prem and champions league as priorities but they still want to win the FA cup.

Posted by: Nigel  | March 5, 2007 10:23 AM

alf wrote...

the FA cup replay was on tuesday night so more than enough time for them to recover for saturday. It didnt stop manutd and arsenal winning at the weekend.

Posted by: alf  | March 5, 2007 11:32 AM

Never Happy wrote...

I thought we would have beaten the Skunks, but feared the worse after our tough game midweek.

All in all it was a good point.

Boro do not need Man U to put out a weakened side in order to best them.

We are capable of beating them at home anytime.

John, nothing wrong with being positive.

Take it from me, West Ham are doomed, they will not reach the 30 point mark.

Boro will beat Watford and City, we have a poor record at West Ham, but if we went there and scored first we could also beta them.

I suggested a few weeks ago that we would get 45 points, the way Boro are playing I now think that 50+ points is a possibility.

GS unlike MaClaren is sticking to his best available side for every game, this has to be the best policy.

Its up the table and Wemberleeeee for the Boro.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 5, 2007 11:37 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Alf - Man U made 8 outfield changes from the side that played Reading against Liverpool.

Arsenal got beaten against Blackburn playing a weaker side than normal.

No doubt if Boro had played a weakened side against WBA and lost you would have moaned about it.

Playing 120 minutes against WBA had to have some effect on the team on Saturday, as it was a draw was a good result.

Under GS Boro are becoming very difficult to beat, hopefully Woodgate and Viduka will sign for the Boro, and if we manage to sign a couple more decent midfielders in the summer, next season we can turn the draw's into victories and challenge for a top six place again.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 5, 2007 12:38 PM

beeline wrote...

"Andrew Taylor struggled too. In the first half he was tortured by the pace and trickery of first Milner then Dyer although neither made that count. And he did improve in the second half. He had an electric start to the season but has faded in recent weeks and has at times looked vulnerable. He could do with a chance to recharge his batteries but with few options at left back is unlikely to get it. "

An interesting assessment of Taylor's performance. I've yet to see the game, but I note that the Guardian had him as man of the match. Another case of a reporter 'making it up' ?

**AV writes: No, I can't believe the Guardian would do that.

I thought there were several times Milner in particular tuned him and left him for dead and most of the dangerous balls into the Boro box in the first half were coming through that channel. Pogo seemed to drift out wider to help give him some extra a protection as the half wore on.

After the break, possibly after a bit of advice from the boss or instructions to Downing to sit a bit deeper and give added cover the problem was on the whole rectified.

That's how I saw the game. I can't speak for others.

Generally I think he has had an impressive start to the season and I am loathe to criticise but as with most youngsters he has dipped a bit. Maybe the workload is starting to grind him down a bit, maybe he was a bit sluggish after midweek, maybe opposition coaches know a bit more about him now so can more readily exploit what they see as weaknesses.

Posted by: beeline  | March 5, 2007 12:53 PM

alf wrote...

"I suggested a few weeks ago that we would get 45 points, the way Boro are playing I now think that 50+ points is a possibility."

I've put us down for 49 points. BTW, our recent form isnt that good. we are finding it hard to beat teams. becoming the draw specialists. we are struggling to kill games off. Only bolton at home have we managed that for some time

Posted by: alf  | March 5, 2007 1:09 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

ManU won against Liverpool but it was a very subdued performance from the Mancs. I am sure there was some knock on effect though as posted above they did make significant changes.

The cup tie will have had some effect but the club is just getting on with it this year and not trotting out lame excuses before even going onto the pitch.

As for not winning, we dealt with Reading who gave ManU a run for their money after the initial goal burst and that was fairly recent.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 5, 2007 2:19 PM

beeline wrote...

Thanks for that. I get to see so few games these days that I have to rely on other people's opinions and average it out.

I miss the days when I went to every game and could then slug it out with anybody when discussing a player's merits safe in the knowledge that it was based on personal observation. I'll follow your opinion on this one as it's unlikely the Guardian writer sees every Boro game.

Let's just hope that it's only a blip for Taylor and that he doesn't follow the Stockdale path.

Posted by: beeline  | March 5, 2007 2:27 PM

alf wrote...

Liverpool are not a bad team at home and manutd kept going right to the end. They didnt tire. good teams dont tire. they only appear to tire when they get beat. its all in the head.

No doubt if they have a midweek game then you just do less physical training in the week, perhaps give them an extra day off from training.

notice when a team is doing well the treatment room is less empty. Same thing!

Posted by: alf  | March 5, 2007 2:40 PM

Nigel wrote...

Alf, did we not beat Reading?

Our home league form is excellent and all the remaining home games are winnable. The key to where we finish is whether or not we can win a couple of away games.

Never Happy, you've hit the nail on the head. Personally I believe Viduka will stay, however Woody is a different proposition, he will find it hard to resist if one of the top four knock on his door.

I don't believe he will sign for anyone other than Boro outside of that, but there has to be a very high chance that one of the big four will want him. After all they'd be daft not to wouldn't they?

If Woodgate stays we can look forward to making big progress next season, if he goes we will be looking at mid-table again. His influence on the defence and team as a whole can't be underestimated. I'm not sure how good a centre back Poggy is without Woodgate next to him.

Posted by: Nigel  | March 5, 2007 2:47 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Alf - at Christmas plenty of fans were saying that Boro were doomed.

'We always go down with the decorations' was posted on this Blog and the Gazette message board.

Well this year in the PL Boro have played 8 games, 4 at home (10 points from 12) and four away (5 points from 12).

4 wins, 3 draws and one defeat. How does this make us draw specialists.

Under GS Boro have progressed throughout the season.

The team have not only become entertaining to watch, but have also become difficult to beat and have won games that many predicted that would would struggle in.

Given time and backing GS can become our most successful ever manager, and he will do it his way with a team that also plays entertaining football.

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 5, 2007 3:16 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

Or make eight personnel changes in ManU's case, something we couldnt do with our squad

In our case we kept going until the end, as did ManU, and we got a point. Many a time in the past I would have been happy with a point at Toon with a fully rested squad.

Any time you take an away point against teams above you must be a bonus.

The odd thing is we are not complaining about the fact they may or may not have been tired. Rather we are saying well done for not folding like in the past and moaning about being tired.

I suspect just as big an effect will have being getting rid of the little niggles and knocks, the odd tight muscle that would benefit from a another 3 days rest and recuperation.

**AV writes: Plus, a midweek match makes it difficult to prepare tactically in detail for the next game . Assuming Wednesday is a day off for rest and recouperation you have two days to prepare for Saturday's game.

The opposition have five days to watch the videos, work out set plays, devise a game plan and gear training specifically to peaking for the game.

In a tight division where the ine between defeat and victory is so fine that preparation as much as the physical edge may make the difference.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 5, 2007 3:18 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Nigel - you may be right about Viduka and Woodgate.

I think or maybe wishful thinking, that because of his previous history of injuries and off field misdemeanours the top four side might not want to sign Woodgate.

I hope that Terry and Ferdinand are both fit for the future England games (not that either is better than Woodie) then MaCboring will choose them and it will be one less chance of Woodgate showcasing his talents on the international stage.

He can then play for England under the new manager next season after he has signed for Boro.

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 5, 2007 3:46 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

AV, fair call.

At the moment the England Rugby team are playing premiership rugby on the Saturday between internationals whilst the other six nations sides are having time off to prepare. Who would argue that is of no benefit to the other teams.

The major change for us is the more positive outlook, the fallback position in going for a win is managing a draw. If you go for a draw and hope for the best then you dont have to be a brain surgeon to work out the rest.

Toon have a Uefa cup match on Thursday but luckily have a break or we may have seen a falling off in performance from them. We all hope we see the same from the Manc's following the Lille match.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 5, 2007 4:18 PM

alf wrote...

Ian Gill, so the same rules dont apply to manutd cos they have a better squad. Surely we have a better squad than Newcastle.

You sound like our old manager with all this moving the goal posts. It sounds like the steve mcclaren fan club has infultrated this website.

BTW, players pick up injuries in training. So maybe they should cut down on training?

So lets put all this talk of tiredness and not being able to play a 2nd game 3.5 days after the previous game as nonsense.

In the end if you want a team to be successful then you have to live with the odd week or so with a mid week game. Maybe fans dont want the success?

Posted by: alf  | March 5, 2007 4:53 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

Try reading the words, I am saying it is good we arent trotting out the same rubbish as before, bleating on about being tired even before we have played a match.

I am saying I think it has an effect especially recovering from knocks bruises etc. I am saying ManU having a much bigger and better squad will be better able to cope with any strains.

You sre talking tosh calling myself and others Mac fans, that is one thing that has never been laid at my door. We are not bleating about fixture congestion as happened before but to deny there will be some effect is like saying the world is still flat.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 5, 2007 8:01 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Alf - a point at the Skunks is not the end of the world.

I could understand your bleating if we had gone there, folded and lost 3 or 4 nil.

I do not think that tiredness is the major issue, it is more to do with players having to play with minor niggles and therfore not being 100% fit.

One thing is certain, Boro results and performances after midweek games have improved under GS.

When MaClaren was in charge he virtually conceded matches to the opposition after a midweek game. He got his excuses in before we played our weekend game.

Chher up Alf things looked like being a lot worse at Christmas, even you might have been happy getting a point at the Skunks.

I suppose this proves how far Boro have come since then if fans are dissapointed with the result.

I for one are happy with 15 points from a possible 24 since the start of the year.

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 6, 2007 9:04 AM

Nigel wrote...

Alf you may believe playing mid week doesn't impact on the performance on a Saturday but at least respect others opinions.

The fact is playing a competitive match is physically demanding, much more so than training and so inevitably playing a second game three or four days later means that players cannot perform to their maximum physical potential for a full 90.

That is why the big four and others do not play full strength teams in the Carling cup and some FA cup matches. In order to give their best players a rest for what they believe are the more important games.

A good comparison is a marathon runner, they limit how many they run per season to maybe half a dozen because it is so physically draining and a long recovery period is needed after competing.

Football is no different it is not physically possible to play to your potential every day, recovery time between matches is crucial.

Posted by: Nigel  | March 6, 2007 9:37 AM

alf wrote...

nigel! and respect my opinion too.

if playing midweek is so tiring then why are newcastle and spurs above us in the league as they are playing in the uefa cup?

Maybe its because they have a better team/squad than boro.. or atleast getting more out of them than boro are

Posted by: alf  | March 6, 2007 10:55 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Alf - make your mind up, an earlier posting of your's stated that Boro had a better squad than the Skunks!

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 6, 2007 12:08 PM

alf wrote...

never happy, my mind is made up i am just questioning other peoples inconsistencies!

Posted by: alf  | March 6, 2007 1:21 PM

Nigel wrote...

Alf, I do respect your opinion I haven't once called it nonsense.

Why one team performs better than another over a season is not straightforward to answer.

Boro started off badly this season, prehaps because we had a new inexperienced manager who made one or two mistakes, prehaps because the team was adapting to a new style of play, prehaps because the defence was completely different to the one that played last season etc

I certainly don't believe that our league position is in any way related to how many mid week games we have played.

I am simply saying having played 120mins in mid week will have had an impact on the level of performance the players could sustain over the 90 at Newcastle.

I also believe that a point at Newcastle is a good result. Our bad results were away to Sheff. Utd, Watford and Reading and at home to Portsmouth.

Posted by: Nigel  | March 6, 2007 2:10 PM

alf wrote...

Nigel is bill beswick and i claim my Spin machine manual

Posted by: alf  | March 6, 2007 3:11 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

I have read through my postings and am struggling to find any inconsistencies, cant comment on others but they seem fairly consistent as well.

The themes appeared to be; pleased with a point, pleased we are adopting a more positive approach and not bleating about being tired; ManU certainly have a bigger and better squad than us; there is likely to be some effect if you play in midweek. Seems fairly consistent to me.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 6, 2007 3:31 PM

Holgate Ender wrote...

it does my head in to hear so xcalled experts say players can play two, three, four games a week without any dip in performance. welcome to the Berni, Gates, SuperGob show where it never happened in my day. players didn't even get injured in the cloud cuckoo land premiership world they liv ein.

the game is faster than ever. players are fitter than ever. workrate, pace, athleticismsm. it is ridicuilous to say playing a midweek game IS NOT a factor. of course it is. you may be superfit but so are the other lot and if they havent played in midweek then they ARE going to be stronger and faster than you, especually in the last 20 mins.

that is not to say it is an excuse. it is just reality. you can get angry at excuses all you like but it won't change reality.

Posted by: Holgate Ender  | March 6, 2007 4:21 PM

Nigel wrote...

Bill Beswick??? Intersting....now Alf come in sit down in the chair and make yourself comfortable......So tell me about.... How does that make you feel?

Posted by: Nigel  | March 6, 2007 4:26 PM

John Powls wrote...

Nigel

Too spooky.......way too spooky!!

Ian

Unfortunately, sometimes, correspondents seem to want to achieve editorial balance by having a chip on both shoulders!

Posted by: John Powls  | March 7, 2007 8:36 AM

alf wrote...

Wonder how many chelsea players were tired last night after coming from behind to win...Hang on they dont count because they have a bigger squad than us ;o)

Posted by: alf  | March 7, 2007 9:55 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Alf - Boro have been beaten once since the start of the year.

15 points from 24 in the PL and an FA Cup Q/F to look forward to.

Did you expect them to do better than this?

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 7, 2007 12:17 PM

alf wrote...

So they arn't tired after all because we are on a good run since january when we have had more games? Ever thought that when a team is playing well they don't feel tired??

BTW, we are becoming the draw specialists. how many games in last 2 months have we won within 90 minutes?

AV writes: I make it four from 14 - Sheff Utd, Charlton, Reading and Bolton.

Posted by: alf  | March 7, 2007 1:26 PM

Scott wrote...

Alf,

How can you possibly compare that Man U bringing in 8 players is the same as us playing a very similar side at West Brom as we did at Newcastle?

I dont think anyone is saying that the team were shattered beyond belief, but it's not hard to understand that a team with more days 'rest' is going to have better PEAK levels of fitness than players who were running to the end of 120 minutes 4 days earlier.

Posted by: Scott  | March 7, 2007 1:50 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Alf

Porto played on Saturday the same as Chelsea, so what point are you making?

Or is it as JP says you are just awkward and the record has stuck?

Posted by: Ian Gill  | March 7, 2007 2:24 PM

Never Happy wrote...

Getting a bit boring now, no matter how many well reasoned arguments are put to Alf, players in his opinion should not get tired or feel the effects of playing with niggles making them less than 100% fit.

On to Saturday and as the players have had a week since their last game they should be fit and raring to go.

In the world of Alf, Man U playing tonight has no bearing on Saturdays game, if they make eleven changes from tonights team to Saturdays team it will be of no consquence.

One thing Alf, when Boro win on Saturday please do not post something about Man U playing a weakened side.

C'Mon Boro!

Posted by: Never Happy  | March 7, 2007 3:36 PM

alf wrote...

I agree, teh old tiredness/jaded excuses are a bit boring and should be left to managers like steve mac to use. Most of us can see through it.

Lets change the record and stop using tiredness as an excuse. Lets just hope we beat manutd so your tiredness theory holds water

Posted by: alf  | March 7, 2007 4:31 PM

Barnet Nigel wrote...

JP didn't mean to spook you, I must have been a little TIRED having made two postings in quick succesion.

Anyway to follow Never Happy here's to winning on Saturday, one thing we are all agreed we want to happen!

Posted by: Barnet Nigel  | March 7, 2007 6:06 PM

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