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Ticket Chaos Offers Prospect of Renewal

Posted by on May 8, 2006 10:41 PM | 

THE SEASON ticket application form flopped on the doormat this morning taunting us with an empty promise of priority for all the big Boro games. It was followed a few hours later by an even more wounding if anticipated phone call from the ticket office to tell us that on this occasion the application had not been successful.

Now, first let me say loud and clear that I have a press pass for Eindhoven , as I have for all the juicy matches home and away and the only time I ever have to queue is at the underpass. You can call me a parasite if you want. I've heard it before.

But there is a genine deep-seated trauma in our family at the moment because the people who do pay good money have missed out on Eindhoven. Which is why the renewal form, an ill-timed provocation, is currently hovering over the wheelie bin.

Back in Year Zero my wife and her sister bought tickets at the Riverside. The pair grew up on the Holgate, educated into the culture but protected from the worst excesses of beastly macho rowdiness by big brothers. They were fence-climbing, EIOing, hardcore fans back in the days when it was a rough, tough slum sport and although they have now graduated to the seats and are more gentile they are still as passionate.

My first date with my wife was an away trip to Whitby to watch a North Riding Senior Cup game. We are that sort of family. Before I started working in sports - which is glamourous and exciting but pretty much screws up your matchday routine - we travelled all over, you know, really sexy places like Oldham, Barnsley and Port Vale.

My wife was at Darlington in the cup, at the Battle of Stamford Bridge, Everton in the endless replay saga - her car broke down both on the way there and on the way home from Goodison - and on the Holgate for the Aston Villa ZDS semi-final, which until the Steaua game was the official atmosphere benchmark. Four Wembley outings, endless dismal returns from heartbreak. Blah, blah, blah. The point is she has served her time.

So they bought tickets on day one. S. Part of the alphabet elite. Now, there have been many times when it clearly wasn't enjoyable any more, the dark last days of Robbo, El Tel's grind and under ultra-cautious Steve Mac, when the tickets were almost binned in favour of an extra week's holiday. Childcare made it difficult to get to games, missed matches were costing a fortune and at times you couldn't even give the tickets away to claw some back.

But they clung onto the Red Books and the S patron status because (warming: wild optimist alert) they are Boro barmy and well, maybe one day we would get to Champions League final and they'd be guaranteed tickets. Well right now there is a need for expensive dental work because they feel kicked squarely in the choppers.

The initial maths - 9,200 tickets and 10,000 S and T application - suggested that only 800 or so would be unsuccessful but if feels far more widespread than that. So many people I know - well established faces from Ayresome days - haven't got tickets. It may be a statistical freak and maybe I only know very unlucky people. Or maybe it is contact with Jonah here that has blown their chance.

But the club have since admitted that 'a small number' of tickets from that allocation have been given to players and staff. They maths had changed. The goalposts were moved. And because the process is not transparent no one could know exactly what their chances were and that left them powerless and frustrated.

In ourfamily no one expected a ticket by right but they did expect the CHANCE of one and the way the process was handled did not leave them feeling they realistically had that chance or that they had been treated in an open or equitable way. The club may well have mitigating factors but the PR was badly handled and the loss of goodwill extremely damaging at a time when we should be jubilant. There was no communication and the ticket office - admittedly busy - were most unhelpful and less than sympathetic to the plight of the people they are there to serve.

I am supposed to be well informed so I faced a constant barrage of questions. Why did the club say there were 9,200 tickets available to fans when clearly there weren't? When Dave Allen says some went to players and staff how many exactly? Which staff? Why do staff come before the paying public? How many went to box holders? And are the box holders all S and T Red Book holders? How many tickets went to corporates, business contacts and hoarding advertisers? Can't you get me one? Was there a lottery? How was it done? Why don't they publish a list of every patron number so we can check? Will we get a letter explaining exactly why we failed? Will I be given first crack next time? Can't you get me one?

These are the questions the club must answer honestly if they are to rebuild trust and regain credibility with those of their most loyal and long-standing supporters who right now feel betrayed. There is much talk of wrapping in Red Books and walking away for good. Most will not do that, they have made too great an emotional investment other the years - but many will, especially if the club do not address their grievances.

The UEFA Cup ticket trauma follows the FA semi-final fiasco. I dread to think what would have happened had Boro beat West Ham and had to deal with tickets for Cardiff this week as well.

It is time for the club to initiate a far reaching internal inquiry into ticket office methods. Not to satisfy any need for recriminations but to help develop a modern approach and best practice. They have to recognise their failings and deal with them quickly. The club must progress as much off the field as on it if we are to take advantage of the opportunities presented by this golden age. More staff, better trained with more terminals and if neccessary satellite offices in Stockton, Redcar, Ingleby and Billingham. It is crucial to maximise the potential.

There must be no more excuses and promises that it won't happen again. Patience is wearing thin.

Comments (26)

John Powls wrote...

Vic

Agree entirely - and it's not the only aspect of the commercial management of the club that is no longer fit for purpose.

A root and branch review is necessary - and quickly. There must be experience around the higher reaches of the Prem where ticketing is done well. We already have a partial partnership with Ticketmaster who are experts in the business so we could look to outsource if necessary and on Teesside we have at least one award winning female business person who runs one of the most highly regarded call centre operations in the world. So we're not short of advice on how to get this basic right.

Posted by: John Powls  | May 9, 2006 7:41 AM

anonymous wrote...

i work in the stadium and am aware that full time staff got to purchase as many tickets as theyw anted whilst part-time staff werent allowed. i am a part-time member of staff yet i also have an S book season ticket, therefore you can understand the anger i was feeling when i was rejected for a ticket. As a member of staff and also as a fan, i can safely say the club is a shambles from top to bottom off the field!

Posted by: anonymous  | May 9, 2006 11:00 AM

Never Happy wrote...

Boro have not learned from previous ticket fiasco's. Why not simply set out the criteria for qualifying for a ticket at the start of the season.

Not everyone can afford a season ticket, but this does not stop them going to games home and away. If the club tells supporters that those with ticket stubs form previous games will be the first to get tickets for a final, fans will know where they stand and also bigger crowds might be generated for earlier rounds as fans will want to ensure that they will get a ticket should Boro reach the said final.

The club can not be solely blamed for the UEFA ticket row as our allocation for the game is shocking, however lessons need to be learnt and put in place as the fans do not get the respect they deserve from MFC.

Posted by: Never Happy  | May 9, 2006 11:07 AM

Ian Gilldvise wrote...

Some things in life remain constant. After the Carling Cup ticket fiasco I remember emailing Anthony with many points and he graciously replied discussing the points I had raised. The discussions were basically about poor database management, lack of clarity, poor communication, the list was endless. We agreed about the problems and wondered what would be done.

This is in sharp contrast to some items that come out of the Riverside. A few of us went to the West Brom match. As the tickets were with my friends they were in Baggies seats. We got the tickets early and they showed a Saturday kick off not the Sunday (because of the Uefa Cup) - they had been printed in advance.

I e-mailed the club to advise them of the situation so that they could warn fans via the website or by the ticket office when people bought the tickets. I thought I was being a decent sort of chap and got an email back. Well done the Boro, then I opened it. Here is a multiple choice test about its contents

A) Thank your for your email and bringing this to out attention.

B) Thank you for email, we had also noticed this error.

C) Thank you for your email, we are taking action to inform fans

D) Thank you for your email, the match is on Sunday not Saturday.

You have a one in four chance of choosing the correct email.

So, am I surprised at Anthony's article. Yes because even I hoped the Boro had moved on from previous ticket fiascos. And no because I have seen little to suggest they had made progress.

I will repeat another little story, many moons ago I had to buy tickets in the Derby fans for one Boro match (boxing day loss 2-1) at Pride Park. I ended up on their database. I bought a tcket some years later for an U21 match and there I was. I have bought many tickets from the Riverside, subscribe to Boro World, purchase sundry items from the club shop including via the internet and phone. Have I ever received anything from the club, answers on a postcard please.

The club however can manage to post out applications for season tickets to fans who have just been told that they wont be going to Eindhoven, just when we dont know who our new manager will be and before the result of the Uefa Cup final. Timing is everything!

Posted by: Ian Gilldvise  | May 9, 2006 11:26 AM

Steve wrote...

I'm sorry, let's see if I understand this. There are about 9000 tickets for the final and about 20,000 season ticket holders, let's get real someone will always miss out when you look at the numbers.

Sure a few tickets here and there may be given to employees, that's called a perk, for putting up with the daily crap year in year out, same as in most other jobs !

There's no way the club can suddenly get 10,000 tickets out of thin air along with another 25,000 or so for fans who "go to all the matches but don't have a season ticket but surely they deserve a final ticket" ???

Ticketing has never been done well at Middlesbrough, maybe they need more staff or a better computer but you can't blame the ticket office for not having enough to go around for the final.

Posted by: Steve  | May 9, 2006 12:06 PM

come on boro wrote...

What has happened to the good old fashioned system of queuing for your tickets? It seems the best option when demand will far outweight the allocation - yes it would have meant queing for hours but it surely would have been much fairer on all S & T season ticket holders.

To be fair to the club, a 1000 or so people were going to be unlucky - we all knew that at the start. EVERYBODY believes they are more deserving than others and in some cases i have no doubt that they are but thats life i guess.

However, our club is still being run by small time people. PR disaster after PR disaster. They club has about as much creative flair in its marketing as a midfield of Doriva's. I guess thats for a different posting - but the time has come to get some talented people behind the scenes.

Posted by: come on boro  | May 9, 2006 12:28 PM

Maurice wrote...

If you look on the UEFA website it tells you that the stadium cpacity is 31,000 and that 6,000 seats would be made available to neutrals.

The remaining 25,000 tickets would be split equally between the two finalists - i.e. 12,500 tickets each.

What happened to the 3,300 that were apparently available but the club has not mentioned ?

Posted by: Maurice  | May 9, 2006 12:39 PM

Maurice wrote...

Further to my earlier E-Mail message; the UEFA website i refer to is http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UEFACup/news/Kind=1/newsId=396105.html

Posted by: Maurice  | May 9, 2006 12:47 PM

Nigel Pringle wrote...

You can add my name to the unlucky S and T season ticket holder applicants for tickets.

Bitterly disappointed and perhaps more so given the club announcement that my hopes where raised when the club announced that the “majority of S and T season ticket holders had been successful”.

I guess a majority is anything over 50%, so factually at least they where correct.. Realistically thought, there where always going to be tears when demand exceeded supply and inevitably some of the loyalist fans were going to miss out.

It would have been a decent touch by MFC to at least inform those unlucky ones that they had actually missed out or as we forlornly waited for the Tuesday postman…..just in case they where still delayed. A phone call or a letter would have been appreciated….after all what else did the ticket office have to do after Sunday?

I don’t think there is a “fair solution” to this problem, whichever route taken by the club is going to penalize some supporters.

Suggesting that only those who attend UEFA cup games should go to the final would penalize against myself and make it less likely that I would renew next season. I live in London and travel up for most home games. Due to work commitments I am unable to get to midweek games. It’s not that I don’t want to go but have to use up valuable holiday time to get to them. If I lived nearer the area it wouldn’t be a problem.

I think rewarding the loyalist supporters is a fair way of dealing with the problem, but I would add a proviso that it should not remain an exclusive group.

Entry to the S or T season ticket category should be awarded to all season ticket holders who have held a ticket for perhaps 5 years continuously and no further distinctions made.

Here’s hoping a for another bit of history to be made tomorrow in Boro’s biggest ever game……so far.
N

Posted by: Nigel Pringle  | May 9, 2006 12:48 PM

Keith wrote...

I am a Cup Final ticketless holder of 3 S books, and having travelled far and wide to watch the Boro, well before the Riverside days, would also like to vent my anger and massive dissapointment, which was made even more so when the office post arrived with my renewal forms for next season, with the headline "just look what you get as a Boro season ticket holder ....." yes and what is that I ask myself ???

Nothing, just a silly comment when eventually you get to speak to the ticket office, like "well you were just unlucky" Please please please get this sorted before you lose your most loyal supporters, and make it those who do actually attend games whether they are season ticket holders or not, that get priority in future.

Posted by: Keith  | May 9, 2006 12:48 PM

Ron wrote...

Steve Gibson is one of the most trusted and open chairmen in the whole of football, can you ask him to comment personally

I would love to hear what he plans to do to address the concern of the fans, it must be a tough call trying to achieve a balance and satisfy the tens of thousands of applicants who want to go to the finals of the competions but who stayed at home big style in the earlier rounds

Posted by: Ron  | May 9, 2006 12:51 PM

Nigel wrote...

The ticket allocation fiasco needs sorting out now.

Boro's PR management is appalling, to admit that employees have been given preference on final tickets ahead of season ticket holders is beyond belief. Especially given that there appears to have been a seperate allocation of tickets specifically for 'club officials'.

We may be on the brink of an exciting future and Boro need to seize the moment but they seem hell bent on alienating fans.
The buck stops with Keith Lamb this is his responsibility.

Posted by: Nigel  | May 9, 2006 2:15 PM

craig wrote...

In reply to Maurices e-mail. The UEFA website says capacity 31,000 - 9,200 tickets to each club, 6,000 tickets made available for general sale via website earlier this year. If you entered and were lucky enough to get 1 well done. 1,100 tickets to the host club PSV, a further 7,000 tickets to in there words not mine UEFA's family. (In short all the usual hangers on, european f.a.'s and anybody else who UEFA feel worthy of getting a ticket).

I am not a season ticket holder but I feel that Middlesbrough Football Club are getting a rough ride from everybody. Yes we know they couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery in relation to distribution of final tickets based on porevious performances. But with so few available I feel the club has done the best it can.

Lets all put this behind us get behind the Team and lets win this trophy if only to get 1 over those miserable sods up the road who think they have a devine right to a trophy.

Posted by: craig  | May 9, 2006 2:29 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

Somehow I managed to post under Ian Gilldvise, I apologise for my clumsy fingers.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 9, 2006 2:31 PM

ani wrote...

Admittedly the majority of the blame has to fall at the feet of uefa for picking a stadium which is no better than average league standard. And due to that everyone knew there were people who would miss out.

However, as an S season ticket holder who didn't receive a ticket i still feel like i have been treated shabbily by the club. Not for not getting a ticket, but for the treatment I have received in this last week by ticket office staff who didn't care and were ill-informed, and by a club that couldn't even be bothered to notify fans of success or faliure in their applications.

The lack of a ticket is dissapointing in the extreme but it was expected, the attitude of the club definitely wasn'. They need to put their fans first. Come on boro, get you act straight, we're not a small town club anymore.

Even so, ill still be watching the game and renewing my season ticket- come on boro, bring the cup home!

Posted by: ani  | May 9, 2006 2:40 PM

Pat wrote...

Bitterly, bitterly disappointed not to be going. As every one says the season ticket renewals are coming out and I know my family feel they just want to bin them. They have held on to their S tickets on false premises.

My daughters have supported the Boro from being young kids and growing up and living away from the area. They have supported them when it was unfashionable and despite being surrounded by Newcastle fans. Then the Thursday parade - it just gets madder.

Posted by: Pat  | May 9, 2006 2:51 PM

Richy wrote...

It's a simple fact that there were never going to be enough tickets to satisfy all of the S and T ticket holders so some of the stories that we are now seeing was inevitable no matter what the club did.

That tickets were allocated to others ahead of long term fans is all part of football. If someone is investing in corporate facilities the potential for tickets to be available is another marketing 'tactic' and seeing large numbers of empty seats for most games at the Riverside this season it is obvious that the club has to look to maximise it's income.

The problem really lies with UEFA in awarding the final to such a small stadium but I do feel that Boro should look at their whole ticket allocation organisation to ensure that in future (and lets hope it is every season) it matches the success of our football academy.

To everyone who can't attend the final (including me) I would say, it's disappointing, suck it up, fill in your season ticket application and lets get right behind the boys tomorrow night and all of next season.

It's too easy to focus on the negatives when we now find ourselves in a position that most of us can have only dreamed of in the Ayresome park days.

Posted by: Richy  | May 9, 2006 4:37 PM

STE wrote...

I THINK IT WILL COME OUT EVENTUALLY THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TICKETS WERE SOLD/GIVEN TO SPONSORS AND BOX HOLDERS.UNFORTUNATLY MONEY TALKS AND THE CLUB PROBABLY FELT OBLIGED TO SERVICE THEM FIRST WITH TICKETS.I WOULD NOT BE SUPRISED IF LESS THAN 6000 TICKETS WENT OUT TO THE RED BOOK HOLDERS......

Posted by: STE  | May 9, 2006 4:44 PM

Iain wrote...

It's easy to be critical I think the ticket allocation ballot is about as fair as MFC could have made it.

Queuing is ridiculously old fashioned and would have discriminated against season ticket holders like me who live long distances from the Riverside.

The final was scheduled very soon after the semi. The intervening public holiday made it very difficult to get the tickets out in time, let alone tell people whether they were unsuccessful.

My only complaint is the old fashioned insistence on a voucher. The postal delays over the bank holiday nearly cost me my chance of a ticket. For all its failings, Internet worked reasonably well for the FA Cup semifinal.

Let's hope UEFA learn their lesson and set a minimum capacity of over 40,000 for future venues, even if that means the MFC fail in their bid to host the 2008 final.

Let's hope we are the defending holders in Glasgow next year.

Iain , (Solihull), but writing from Asten near Eindhoven

Posted by: Iain  | May 9, 2006 5:52 PM

Ian Gill wrote...

I agree about many of the comments that MFC cant do anything about the number of tickets and that Uefa have not helped by choice of the stadium. All the club can do is be professional about what they can control.

Whenever I have spoken to anyone from the club they have been indivually smashing, I will never complain about the people and their effort. Organisation however is a different matter.

Our problems pales into insignificance with those 1600 scousers who had their cup final tickets stolen from a post office van. Millenium stadium say hard luck but we wont print duplicates for safety reasons. They have happily taken £90 a ticket but cant provide some system to allow the right fans into the ground. Now that is sad.

Posted by: Ian Gill  | May 9, 2006 9:09 PM

Paul Mclaine wrote...

I am a Season Ticket Holder with a "C" Patron.
So i didnt hold out much hope to be honest,however while understanding the frustration of S & T Holders that have lost out. I have to say this i support Middlesbrough Football Club and i am proud to do so.

I Will be renewing my season ticket,just because i wasnt there if we win the Uefa Cup does not mean i have missed out.The team and fans will bring back the Uefa Cup to the Riverside and i am sure it will be put on show for all to see.

That will be two Trophies n 2 years !!.Not bad going for a club that took 128 years to win its first.The bigger picture is that we are an Established Premier League Club,that could have won two trophies in two years.

Ask a Makem or a Geordie if they would not be renweing next season if this had happened to their respective clubs ??!!....So to all current season ticket holders please renew.another chapter awaits to be written by a new manager at Middlesbrough Football Club.lets see how far we can really go !!Come On Boro !!!

Posted by: Paul Mclaine  | May 10, 2006 8:09 AM

Narcolepsy wrote...

I hate to even talk about it....

but it will start at 6pm, not be during the day

If we have reason for a victory parade, George Boateng and other players who will have to join up with their world cup squads at the weekend will be the reason, and holding the parade without them is unthinkable

Posted by: Narcolepsy  | May 10, 2006 12:25 PM

Dave J wrote...

Are season tickets still made of paper? If you had your magnetic strip card to swipe upon entry, and a points value system for every game, ie 1 point for a league game, 2 for an early euro game etc, points for buying a boro shirt if you want, anything.

Now, Mr Boro accountant just prints his fans points list, draws a line under entry number 9000, hey presto - the 9000 most deserving fans go to the final.
And think of all the debate we could have over what you should get points for, and how many - priceless!

Posted by: Dave J  | May 10, 2006 1:19 PM

andrew readman wrote...

I am still owed a refund from the cancelled semi final v arsenal,so come on at least you not lost money,might sell the tickets on e bay,but good luck boro,also why does uefa not pick a national stadium instead of a hole in europe

Posted by: andrew readman  | May 10, 2006 2:45 PM

Ken wrote...

At the start of the UEFACup campaign Boro said that people attending these games should retain their Stubs against possible Ticket distribution for later games.WHY was this not taken in to account when deciding who should get tickets?

Miserable attendance numbers in the early rounds prove that large numbers of Red Book holders did NOT attend so if the club had required stubs to be presented then at least those who HAD been to early games (all at extra cost)would have felt they had a chance of a ticket.

As a White book holder I was aware from the start that I had no chance even though I had kept the stubs from every one of the earlier games and remember this was the CLUB'S idea.

The Club clearly opted for what was the easiest option for THEM probably because they run the most inept ticketing operation I have ever experienced such as 2 or sometimes 3 Operators on duty when the Queue is half way round the stadium. No wonder it takes 3or 4 hours to get served.

And now to add insult to injury we are faced already with the begging bowl to renew our Season Tickets. What a nerve!!

Posted by: Ken  | May 11, 2006 10:07 PM

ian wrote...

ask yourself a question......how can one peson apply and receive four tickets for his S books and others receive none....lottery? Forget it. Also how can local business man obtain 30 tickets? Why were acadamy players allowed a ticket plus one for a parent? How many were sold for huge profits? Always will be the same at Boro whilst the current crew are in charge

Posted by: ian  | May 11, 2006 11:28 PM

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