Time To Look Beyond Window Pain
WELL that was dull wasn't it? Normally I am sat up buzzing with anticipation until well after the midnight transfer deadline monitoring movement at Teesside Airport and Hurworth with Sky Sports blaring, five windows open on the laptop and scanners illegally listening to the Rockcliffe switchboard. Last night I watched Masterchef and Who Do You Think You Are?
To be fair I wasn't expecting any activity. The early January public pronouncements that active first teamers were not leaving were a line in the sand that held firm. Stewie did not leave. Gary O'Neil did not leave (despite late nibbles from Pompey and Stoke) and while the stakes rise in the basement battle and some may now believe Boro should have taken the money on both and bought James Beattie, a perma-crock midfielder on ã50k a week and a former Bulgarian international with a chequered past, it was not to be.
The Mido deal though was always on the cards, especially in a week when the local headlines were all about exclusions for stroppy teenagers who refused to accept the school rules applied to them. Senior figures at the club were ready to personally push him there in a wheelbarrow if need be. Getting a willing and able if not as naturally gifted frontline battler in return may yet turn out to be a big bonus, we will see.
There were a few outward going loan deals for next year's would-be Championship squad members and some teasing hints of possible reinforcements with HRH Ben Watson and Steven Harper targeted but, hey, we weren't going out of our way to pursue them if they weren't really that fussed one way or the other, not if it meant leaving the cosy constraints of a snug financial strait-jacket, and definitely not if it meant going out in that snow.
So the window closed with no activity at all. Not from Boro any how. No doubt they all knocked off early for once as I did. I think the phone in Keith Lamb's office was ringing forlornly off the hook at one point, but no panic, it wasn't anyone offering Messi, Gattusso or Klose on loan, it was just an inquiry as to whether he had considered switching to a new gas supplier.
Maybe Gareth watched Masterchef too. The team at Eastlands may not be significantly changed but the pre-match meal could have an experimental fusion feel, possibly involving a pan-fried shrimp and artichoke risotto with a coriander and lime reduction.
But there are positives. Firstly, there are no more distractions. Anyone who thought they may have had a viable escape route and whose attention wasn't fully focused on their work - and yes, I am looking at you O'Neil and Sanli - can forget about it until June at least and may now start to knuckle down. If they want to be still viable transfer targets for Southcaster or Bigchester FC in the summer then they had better start putting in some eye-catching price-tag justifying displays between now and May.
And they had better realise that their own brand, their own market value and their own slice of any future transfer fee is closely aligned with Boro's status in the summer. If Boro are relegated they stand to make a far less lucrative exit, even if there is still a buyer.
Plus, with the window closed we can be under no more illusions. The cavalry isn't coming to save the day. We are stuck with what we have got and we had best get on with it. Quickly. And that applies off the pitch as much as on it.
Fans may not be happy at the lack of transfer activity but at least it underlines the stark reality of the financial situation. Look, the club are not telling porkies about money. There really is a strict new regime of cost control. It isn't just a trick to lower expectations and it isn't a negotiating ploy to drive down prices. Gibbo wasn't going to give in to punter pester power and sigh before getting his wallet out and handing gareth five million quid: "And that's your lot, I mean it."
The days of making deadline day panic buys to appease the supporters are over. No more Doriva's or Ricketts, or even Christie and Riggotts. Certainly no more big money last gasp trophy signings like Alves. Not even a phantom signing like Lee Dong Gook or Ricardinho.
We are stuck with the squad we have now. On the plus side, no matter how bleak the situation, no matter how poor the form and how thin the squad there are still 14 games left to play and Boro need maybe 16 or 18 points - difficult but hardly Mission:Impossible.
And incredibly, Boro are not bottom of the current form table. Not even in the bottom three. With other teams in free-fall Boro must put the undoubted disaster of jittery January behind them and dig deep, find some steel and scrap to survival. We have players coming back from injury and suspension. We have some winnable games coming up against the most vulnerable of our rivals - Portsmouth, Stoke and Hull - and we must make them count.
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For me this is the make or break month, playing the teams near or close to us. If we can get a point or a win on saturday, (unlikely as it is because we're on sky) then that could set us up for a productive month but we've got to be a lot adventurous, play two up front and a diamond in midfied, or at least two wingers.
Sailing a little closer to the wind regarding official editorial policy than usual on this and your last blog AV - great to see! Keep up the good work.
You never know, a little semi-official media pressure on the management, tactics and players to perform rather than the rather generous ride they are usually given (not in particular by yourself I hasten to add) by the local media might pay dividends.
Now we know what resources we're stuck with (as if we didn't already after yesterday's tumbleweed inducing levels of excitement), would you care to spend a little more time on our side of the fence and name the team (and more importantly the formation/positions they should actually play) that you would personally like to see start against Sin City?
It's time to concentrate on the serious stuff now, forget that what ever happens the present team will change radically over the Summer.
It's time for some footie, GS needs to be bold and brave, two strikers on the pitch when we're at home please!
AV, do you think it is still possible for Gibbo to lower our expectations?
The reason we have no money left is because the YTS boy Gareth blew ã30m on Alves, Mido, O'Neil, Emnes and Hoyte - none of whom were either able or deemed good enough to start our last crucial game against Backburn.
I agree, theoretically we have some winnable games coming up in March (none in February) - just in the same way we had half-a-dozen winnable games in the last 12.
Yes I also hope Gareth was watching Masterchef as he needs to replace some of his half-baked offering of late that have only proved to be a recipe for disaster.
**AV writes: The reason we have no money left is that for a decade the combined TV and gate money has barely covered the wage bill and so every single transfer since we moved to the Riverside has been done with borrowed money - either from Gibbo or from the bank.
Further, the reason we have no money is that almost all those transfers have made a massive loss because they were older players with no resale value. Just think Ugo - ã8m, Maccarone ã8m, Southgate ã6m, Viduka, ã4m... not a penny back in sales. Chasing the dream like for a decade has left the club with a debt at a time when the banks are not happy or capable of extending credit.
That policy is what has to change.
Surprisingly, perhaps, I'm not really disappointed that we haven't been more adventurous in signings. I'm certain, now, that the problems don't really lie with this group of players but in the way that they are coached and managed.
We have reverted to placing square pegs in round holes, making defeatist team selections and mysterious substitutions. Couple this with discordant signals from the club's management on January sales (we were primed for a firesale which never happened) and it's no surprise that both the players and the fans are bemused and dispirited. In this atmosphere it would be all to easy for any new signing to sink without trace leaving the club with another ãx million debt to cover. Let's try and get the management right before committing to new players.
Perhaps we would have been better (if finances are as tight as AV suggests) to have removed some of the clutter by cashing in now. G O'N immediately springs to mind as someone who's never matched the club's expectations so why keep him? We can argue about Mido, Downing, Emnes etc but have to remember that most of this team have been brought to the club by current management. If they're not good enough why were they bought?
And on a depressing afternoon I'd like to finish with a positive thought. With the transfer window closed there is still no reason to freshen things up with some new and spirited coaching staff. I'd start with an attacking coach to work with our inexperienced midfield and full backs. Based on Saturday's evidence they've a lot to learn on how to support the strikers - Now!
Adam
It certainly is a crucial month but the month just gone by was even more crucial. We got two points out of Sunderland/Blackburn at home and West Brom/Chelsea away. Ideally we needed say 6 ponts from the fellow strugglers. Those results dropped us down amongst the dead men.
The matches this month are not against teams around us, if anything are harder with Citeh at Eastlands - currently 10th with 28 points -followed by Wigan in 7th with 33 points and Liverpool 2nd with 51 points.
If we cant get points off fellow strugglers then we just have to get them elsewhere, some of my points from unlikely sources so why not start on Saturday.
I agree that February is THE month. We will know for definite at the end of February whether we are going down. By that I mean by the nature of the bottom 10 teams being involved in the relegation fight every weekend is gonna bring massive games. Lets hope whilst we are not scoring that we can at least shut teams out
I can understand in general the lack of activity from Boro during the last two days of the transfer window. Before this statement attracts a volcanic eruption of criticism, letâÂÂs look at our options all around the pitch.
Defence : we have enough defenders in all positions except left back, and I have to confess, this is one position that I thought we would have filled during this window. There has to be plenty of options out there who could have been brought in. I recall HullâÂÂs left back Ricketts, a rather ordinary footballer, having a significant impact on the game when we played them at their place. He was far more effective that day than Andrew Taylor defensively AND offensively than Stew Downing, and he cost peanuts from Swansea.
That aside, we have enough strength in depth individually. Let me move on before I return to explore the possible problems in that department.
Midfield : Again, we have many options, when all players are fit, and yes I realise that is a big statement given the record of âÂÂtraining injuriesâÂÂ. OâÂÂNeil, Digard, Shawky, Arca, Walker, Downing, Johnson, Aliadiere (?), Tuncay (?), Emnes (?) and yes Matt Bates. If we cannot field a decent four out of that eleven then why are they in the squad? A part of the club?
Strikers : Alves, King, Aliadiere (?), Tuncay (?), Emnes (?)
I believe we have a squad as good as most teams outside of the top five. Then why are we in deep trouble? Why are we on a shocking run of defeats and struggling draws?
It has to come down to the approach of the management, in terms of tactics, in terms of instilling confidence. I could not believe GSâÂÂs comments following the disappointing defeat against Everton at home, something along the lines âÂÂâÂÅ we suspected they were a little low on confidence and are not surprised at the outcomeâŠâÂÂ. If a manager suspects his workers are low on confidence isnâÂÂt it his job to pick them up BEFORE going to work instead of using it as a justification after a poor performance??
Tactics? If a manager believes in his players, and we have heard GS testify to this many times, surely he should select a team and set them up play to their strengths.
The Blackburn game wasâÂÅ .annoying. That is the best description I can come up with because the game was there for the taking yet we were too afraid to go and take it.
In addition, to return to our defending, at times we have looked distinctly poor in that department especially from dead ball situations. How can a partnership of Southgate and Cooper oversee such woeful conceding week in week out?
Secondly, how many times do we see our full backs (centre backs?) overlapping, attacking?
My overall point here, is that the squad may very well be good enough to compete in this league and secure a comfortable mid-table position given the balance and the freedom to play. However the seeming inability of the management to recognise the best eleven and the best formation after all this time in charge is shackling our progress and instilling a defeatist culture throughout.
Take note of Tuncay. We all know of his capabilities â we have seen it early season. Yet his form and body language of late tells a story of disillusionment and frustration.
Bringing in one or two more individuals on the last day of the window, in my opinion, would not have had a significant affect while we continue to play players out of position, adopt a defence strategy and ultimately prevent flair players playing with flair.
The message should be : go out and attack, pass and move, stretch defences, get players into the box and when we lose possession get men behind the ball.
If the squad is of adequate quality then it comes down to the management to get the best out of them. For the past ten weeks this has not happened. I suspect the players feel the very same way.
I completely agree with Nigel and others. We have to be bold and brave and we have to go for it with two strikers and an attack minded midfield.
I would go further and use the same attacking " lets just play to win " approach for every game including all the away games as well.
If nothing else it would signal our intent to go out and win survival rather than just sitting back and hoping we sneak a few results here and there and other results go our way. The fans would deffo get behind this approach and react by pumping up the volume, especially at home games where we can really intimidate visiting teams.
We have nothing to lose now. The trap door grows ever closer and we have to up our game and drive and mastermind an all out attack in every single game we play.
Can I ask people who are main two strikers are now ? Let's decide and then lets play them for ALL the game. Let's, for once barring injuries, get a settled team so that everyone gets to know how everyone else wants the ball played to them so that we maximise our chances.
No more tinkering. No more weird tactics or substitutions. Decide who our best 11 are and unless they can't hack 90 minutes plus, KEEP THEM PLAYING 90 minutes plus.
My preference is sticking with a traditional, non fancy, simple, 4 - 4 - 2 with Alves and the new fella up front, Downing on one side and John on the other in order to create a bit of magic and hopefully a goal or two.
AV says...
Further, the reason we have no money is that almost all those transfers have made a massive loss because they were older players with no resale value. Just think Ugo - ã8m, Maccarone ã8m, Southgate ã6m, Viduka, ã4m... not a penny back in sales. Chasing the dream like for a decade has left the club with a debt at a time when the banks are not happy or capable of extending credit.
That policy is what has to change. "
This is a policy I completely agree with.
TB
Nice to read something positive.
For the record I don't think we are going to go down, sure it will be a close shave, however, there are enough points to be won that will ensure safety.
Even the bookies are not sure who's going down and are offering generous odds that we're already down. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/barclays-premiership/barclays-premiership/relegation
Well said AV, at least you're in tune with the fans. If only we had a manager in tune with the fans or one we could believe in.
So away to City next gamble, sorry next game. Well Gareth nobody in the country believes you will get anything out of this one neither. So suprise us all and snatch a point. Or better still hit them on the break or on a set piece and bring home all three. But if you get thrashed resign. Please Resign.
This month sees the return of the prodigal son, Boro's youngest ever captain, Our poor man's Stevie G: Lee Cattlemore. He brings his high flying Wigan team to the Riverside with praise ringing in his ears from his manager Steve Bruce who says its been Cattermole's drive and commitment that drove them up the table to 7th and looking for a UEFA place.
Funny how a couple of bargain buys and good loan deals can turn a team around. So I will get to see the prodigal son strut his stuff playing centre midfield, a position he was denied at Boro after Steve McClaren left.
Maybe when Steve Gibson looks down from up high and sees the evidence of bad management in front of his eyes in the shape of Lee Cattermole, one we lost, he will call time on poor pathetic Gareth Southgate and give us hope that the slide he started he created has been stopped.
I didn't think we would bring in last minute reinforcements and in a way i'm glad. It could be that Mr Gibson has decided to part company with Southgate at seasons end so it would be folly to give him any more money to waste on under achievers, just as it would be bringing in a new man at this stage and giving him no funds.
Let's see the season out and start afresh. If Mr Southgate does manage to keep us up, I just hope we don't get the usual "lets give him another chance,at least he kept us up." It's time for a complete change,and that means clearing out the backroom staff. Jobs for the boys did not work when Robbo was manager and its failing miserably now.
After Saturday's debacle its difficult to see any light at the end of the tunnel. We need 6 wins at least and we have only managed 5 out of 24. It's a tall order but the fans at least will remain loyal - but we will not stand for any more spineless performances. It's over to you Mr Southgate, and please no more team selections made up of 50% centre-backs... it's embarrassing.
Our friend in Spain seems to think that Cattermole was our home grown Zidane. If only he had been given the chance. Well talent isn't enough if you don't have the judgement to know how to use it. I seem to remember watching a brave but headless chicken get booked every match.
Maybe the poster's distance from the Riverside is the key. So how far away from Teesside must I move before we look like playing fast attacking football, or our defence looks solid at corners? And when does the flight leave?
AV, I think you misunderstood my point - Gareth (or the club) has recently spent ã30m on players that weren't picked to start our most crucial game. Alves was dropped, Mido was loaned out, Hoyte not played in favour of Wheater out of position and Emnes is apparently a 'Project' - O'Neil wasn't able to play but is not sure of a starting place. My point is that the precious ã30m should have been better spent if money is so tight.
Also I disagree that Maccarone was too old to have resale value - he was just overpriced and lost confidence under Mac. Plus we could have got money for Viduka but we let him run his contract down in the hope he'd resign. Though I agree Ugo and Southgate (can you sell managers?) were never going to give us a return.
So I accept that the new policy is required but it hasn't stopped us making bad decisions of late.
**AV writes: There is no doubt what little money has been available has not been spent wisely. The biggest investment this summer - whatever division - should be on ripping apart the entire scouting network and replacing it with the best, most extensive and pro-active system money can buy.
It was tough against Blackburn and you can see why they are on an unbeaten run under big Sam. They played it very tight but fortunately, in the main, we played it tight also.
When TV performed his minor miracle and kept us up there where many games like that one but we managed enough low score wins and draws to survive. Hopefully G S has got the message and keeps it tight from now on.
The big question is how do we get these vital wins? There needs to be an injection of pace in defence and midfield so we don't get caught on the break. I would play Hoyte at right back and McMahon at left back as they are our quickest. As for pace in the middle they all seem to be on a par so I will have to trust G S on that one.
In centre midfield I would try Tuncay and Digard with Downing left and Johnson right with King and Alves up front. I believe these players have enough pace and talent to get us the few wins and draws we need.
But on a footnote G S has got to drum it into the team that we close the other team down for 90 minutes, (most other teams in the Prem have been doing this better than us,that is why we are near the bottom and hard workers like Everton are near the top), then hopefully this mixture of hard work and flair will prevail.
Cattermole was getting distracted, he had to go. Yeah, Gareth has made some mistakes in the transfer market but nowhere near as many as Roy Keane did before leaving them in the lurch.
We just need to revert to Downing on the left wing and Tuncay playing off Alves. Stick with it and results will come. When Ali's back we'll have him on the right and Emnes to come off the bench. King looks poor but Mido was more trouble than he was worth.
Wholly agree with AV's reply to the 7.01pm post.
It is the infrastructure that "makes" a team. Manager, coaching staff, and backroom boys may not cost the eyewatering ã12.7m or so that was paid for Alves but if they do their jobs properly they can produce a gem from an unpromising lump of rock. They can cut the diamond so it sparkles better, and improve its value. They can also spoil the jewel by inappropriate tinkering or putting the jewel into the wrong setting.
A really good manager and backroom staff may not be able to transform hopeless players into world-beaters but they can make good players play better, or to bring out more of the potential within them. They will improve the standard of the squad. They will have more impact on the club than the purchase of any single player.
As has been said in these pages previously, Brian Clough added more to his teams than any player (however much Trevor Francis is claimed to have cost). Of course with him you also got a psychologist and man-manager thrown in free.
I know a team of adequate players expertly coached and managed would perform better over a season than a team of better players (and the odd class player or two thrown in) managed by someone who had no strategy and didn't understand how to make people "perform". It's the backroom staff that makes the difference. It must be worth spending some money on!
I would like to know what has happened to the attacking football we saw at the start of the season, which earned us plaudits from across the country and GS a manager of the month award?
Yes we missed hatfuls of chances, but the important thing was that we were creating chances; if you dont score goals you can't win games, and if you don't shoot then you can't score. The last few games have been painfully devoid of creativity and genuine chances.
Enough of the back to basics defending and trying to sneak one on the counter attack, while still defending naively. Lets get two wide men, two forwards, at least one full back who isn't a central defender who will get forward and support the attack (I know we've got one!). We are in real danger of going out with a whimper.
After the Villa win we had something like 17 points from 12 games, we need another run like that to keep us above the trapdoor.
AV wrote:
" Just think Ugo - ã8m, Maccarone ã8m, Southgate ã6m, Viduka, ã4m... not a penny back in sales. "
All those people were crucial to our UEFA Cup run, and if you total up the UEFA Cup receipts, I think they go a long way towards recoping that ã26m. (Also, I would be willing to bet that the savings in managerial wages between Southgate and someone like Redknapp over the past 3 years, is likely to at least have been the ã6m paid for Southgate.)
The Gazette articles refers to GON sale being rejected due to our "policy of keeping all our senior players", yet that is NOT TRUE. We let our top goalscorer go.
I am baffled as to why an unhappy player who was overpriced to begin with, was not allowed to return for approximately the money we paid. If the money had then been used for Harper, we are financially the same despite the asking price for Harper being excessive, because GON's price was equally excessive.
But we would have traded an unhappy player for one getting a chance to start in the Premiership again, a significant increase in player motivation.
I also don't understand not accepting the late offer, since GON would get to go home, and we would get another midfielder in return. Note that if our previous attempts to sign Sean Davis had succeeded, then he would have qualified as a "senior player who will not be allowed to leave". So why not substitute him for GON ? It would be the same reasoning as with Mido/King swap - releasing a player who wants out for someone who might work out better.
It would also have sent a message to fans that MFC was trying to make some changes to improve things.
I'm starting to doubt the capability of the MFC executives (which I know is a constant doubt for some fans).
What seems particularly pleasing from these posts are the real lack of negativity from the authors. I also believe that our first team is good enough to survive in this league and now the injuries are healing and suspensions are ending, BUT does Southgate know his best eleven?
Just read Dean Windass's blog where he reckons (and hopes) we can stay up.
"When I was at the club and we were struggling our boss Bryan Robson brought Terry Venables in to help out and the first thing Terry did was to make sure we tightened up at the back â and thatâÂÂs exactly what Boro need to do now".
Just wondering if Gibbo did get help this time around would it be discreet to save face (both his and Gates) rather than unveiling El Tel as before. Those tactics on Saturday were very reminiscent of Deano's above comments, there again maybe Deano's in on it and part of the Riverside "drip feed"..........
.....paranoia, don't we just love it!
So Cattermole was an headless chicken when he was here? Yes, I agree to a certain degree. However, he has gone to Wigan very rarely gets booked and is near enough man of the match in every game played.
This is down to the manager and how he gets them to play for them, he is not playing out of position, but in a position that is natural for him. When he first came into the BORO team he looked the part and then fell apart due to the positions the manager played him in.
Are we not seeing exactly the same with Wheater? He is no longer in the thoughts of Cappello for any England team, simply because after playing so well Southgate decided to play him out of position and the lad has never been the same since.
This manager is a joke. By the way I am writing from Kazakhstan this is further away than spain. Near or far, does it make any difference, we all see the same games and the way the team is playing.
I posted when there was only one post so it's obviously lost or deemed not worthy. Not the first time I may add. Not bothering again.....
**AV writes: It must be lost, and I'm sure it was worthy. If you are having problems using the site (and we know some people are) we suggest you switch to using Mozilla Firefox rather than Internet Explorer as your web browser.
All the talk of economics is irrelevant. We have more than enough quality in the squad to survive and even move into the top half of the league but untill we have a manager who can motivate, organise and strategise the resources we have available we will be urinating into the wind.
Operating from a low cost base requires huge managerial skill and experience so expecting a rookie to do this is unreasonable and will not work. This applies to all businesses in hard times. For as long as Steve Gibson does nothing to ensure we are covered in this area - the club will go backwards - rapidly.
AV
I have seen your comment before about changing firewalls or browsers. It reminds me a bit of MacClaren telling us we needed 'educating' because we found the football so boring.
As we are the customers isnt it up to Trinity Mirror and the Gazette to make the website accessible to its public however we access it not the other way round?
I certainly dont have the same problems at home or at work accessing other sites. Tail wags dog methinks.
Back to the Boro, the window has now closed and little activity has taken place at Planet Boro. So as stated back in October/November it is the people who got us into this mess who will have to get us out of it.
Cat has gone to Wigan and the baggage he was rumoured to carrying whilst at Boro may well have been taken off his back and he is playing well. Good luck to him on that. On his discipline, he has played 25 matches and had 8 yellows and 1 red. In his career he has played 116 games and had 35 yellows and 1 red. So he hasnt changed his style at all.
What I would agree with, and this is my chief gripe with Gate and co, is the shuffling of players. The constant changing of personnel and formations. To get out of this pickle someone, other than subscibers to this blog and elsewhere, has to pick players in their correct positions and stick to it where possible.
Some square pegging is inevitable but there is no excuse if you have well paid, competent, professional footballers suited to a position sat on a bench whilst the team and players struggle with unbalanced formations and styles of play.
It is a sympton of people struggling and being uncertain what to do next. We are not getting anymore plareys in so as far as possible let them play in their best positions uncluttered by confused thinking and negative mindsets.
**AV writes: Yes, you are right that it is down to us to resolve the bugs and we are actively trying to do so. However, as a small cog in a massive national machine the issues on this site are well down the 'To Do' list. I am as frustrated by them as anyone but I am not up to my elbows in the servers. There is little I can do.
"Switch browsers" may seem a glib thing to say but it is remarkable how effective it can be and it how many people don't even consider it.
We are all of the consensus that the manager and backroom staff need to be changed.
I would like to start a debate by naming Martin Jol as GS replacement. I cannot think of anyone else who is suitable. I would not entertain Curbishly, O'Leary, Hoddle, Souness. The other option could be Paul Ince but would be deemed a gamble and the gambling with managers has too stop. Over to you for any thoughts.
Some excellent points above.
We are not "stuck" with what we've got, so we've got to get behind them and hopes that Gareth has a pre-pro licence course epiphany and starts to slot the lads in the right places. We're relying on him now to correctly motivate and organise our resources.
As Windass has said (quoted above), keeping it tight is a big part of that. Fulham have tried to keep it tight all season, and they're not doing too badly despite, arguably, having a worse squad than us.
By the way, what is it with these UEFA badges? Ever since GS started taking them he has become more confused about tactics and where to play people. He needs to go back to trusting his instinct, he has assembled this squad to play a particular way, we need to go back to playing that way.
I'm not really bothered whether we go 451 or 442, however we must stop our 451 becoming an isolated one up front, if we're playing 1 up then we need to organise the team so we play a bit narrower with 2 of the 5 midfielders close to the forward at all times.
Now the window is shut we may also see 100% concentration from O'Neill. Clearly he thought that Pompey were going to come back one more time.These things are never a genuine surprise - unless you're Luke Young that is! So, hopefully he'll knuckle down for the next few months in the knowledge that come the summer he can leg it off back down South.
It's up to GS now. Nearly everyone is fit, it's up to him to turn those media-battle crys into full on dressing room battle-crys and get the players pumped up and fighting for each other. Ideally GS needs to lose his rag at someone - to let the players know that he's fired up and hurting too.
Come on Boro!
I think the perspective that the previous transfer policy was 'unwise' is an interesting one. While I totally agree that buying experienced players on high fees inevitably means that when they leave there is no resale value its important to remember why it was done.
It was done to build an experienced team that could deliver success which it did.
We won the Carling cup, had two seasons in Europe and reached the UEFA cup final, plus two FA cup semis. That is what the old transfer policy brought us - unwise? I would question that.
Steve Gibson was generous enough to fund Boro from his Bulkhaul profits, for which I will be eternally grateful. What has changed is that in the last 2/3 years fuel prices have rocketed which will have ripped Bulkhaul's profits to pieces, we are now in a recession, haulage is hard hit, Gibson will be doing well if his haulage business breaks even this year, he may even need to get Boro to 'repay' some of the loans back to the haulage business, who would begrudge him that? Not me.
The clubs transfer policy has for ten years being funded by a succesful haulage business operating during ten years of growth and plenty, now the cash has run out, for a few years at least.
It may result in Boro not being able to afford to stay in the prem. If so then hopefully we can fall back on our 'low cost' academy continuing to turn out good quality players in order that we can compete in the Championship and rebuild. Or even better we survive this season and the young inexperienced squad is next year more able to compete in the Prem.
Our current position is not necesserily entirely a reflection on the quality of the management, managers are only as good as the players they can buy.
As for Lee Cattermole, I wish I had a quid for everytime I read about an ex player playing so well and what a mistake it was to sell him. We'll see if he can maintain the form for a few years, maybe he can or maybe he has a point to prove because he was kicked out by Boro and will fade away. I would have sold him, he was always average for Boro and Digard looks much better for my money.
Still have people on this blog who think we are going to stay up!!! Where is this confidence coming from??
We are consistently failing to take enough points of those around us. It is being stated that we need 16-18 points from 14 games. Have these people seen our last 5 games? Arsenal (A), Man Utd (H), Newcastle(A), Villa (H), West Ham (A).
Not very likely to get much from those, so it's more like we need 16 points from 9 games!! Given that a lot of bloggers also believe we are not going to get much from our February games, that brings us down to around 15 point needed from 6 games!!
As much as I sincerely hope and prayer we will be staying up, I simply cannot see how we can without some action by SG to shake things up and genreate some new thinking into the management of the team.
**AV writes: Maybe it is just wishful thinking but I can't see how anyone can declare the season over and we are down when there are still 14 games to play. Anything can happen to spark a shock win and a little up-turn: a freak goal, a dodgy penalty, an oggie, an Alves hat-trick. There is still a long way to go. We must hope that the players are not as resigned to relegation as some of the supporters are.
Smoggy In Exile
The debate about Gate changing as his badges beckon has been on here before. I have alluded before to the fact that at infant school level the 'coach' puts players where they are best suited and as you approach the pinacle (as badges kick in) the logic of 'left footed left side' seems to have evaporated, lost amongst the marxist maxims of coaching speak.
I agree about the 'stuck with' as regards the players. They were the same players who played well at Villa, they are professionals and should be good enough for the job. I probably look at it too simplistically and see it as a case of organising them to best use their skills and giving tham a framework to do well.
AV
I have enough problems with the number of work related sites and sourcing systems and our computers without risking changing browsers. Sadly, I will just have to wait until you become chief executive of Trinity Mirror. Power to the people!
Oh dear,I keep reading the blogs and become more and more depressed. Supporting the Boro seems now to be a punishment.It must be something like purgatory, before the big day finally comes,probably in early May.
Although its hypothetical, I wonder which way the club would have gone had Boro won in Eindhoven, or if McClaren had remained and even if we had beaten Cardiff in the FA Cup, gone to the final etc.
Just about everything to say about this season, players, Square pegs and GS and his staff has been said, and I have to say, Im remain somewhat suprised at the level of criticism aimed at Steve Gibson, even with the benefit of hindsight, he does seem to have got a number of things wrong.
However,more than any of 'us' he knows the clubs financial situation and why should he keep putting his hand in his own pocket or at least that of his company? Hand on heart, thanks mostly to Steve Gibson, Boro has been able to punch above its weight for a number of years now as we know.
The gamble of Brian Robson and big name players worked for a time, but could not be sustained and eventually may even have proved to be the clubs downfall, so high were expectations raised, particularly by the thousands of knew and mostly fair weather type supporters.
As I have tried to say ( not very well, Im sure) mistakes have been made and Ive never understood how on the one hand the club supposedly attempted to appoint Martin O'Neil and all the expense that would have entailed, both short and long term, and then actually changed courses completely by bringing in a novice, whose primary tasks seem to have been, keep the club in the top flight and cut the wage bill, and oh yes 'get us into the top eight'.
AV, in your piece above you make clear that "There really is a strict new regime of cost control" etc. This is undoubtedly true. My concern therefore, is how is the club going to be able to move forward in the short, medium and longer term, supposing not enough of the kids come through as is likely.
Teesside has proved that unless things are going really well, it doesn't want to support a premiership football team in the numbers required to sustain , along with tv money, a top division side. As such, I say again, why should Steve Gibson or anyone else keep pooring money in? Particularly in the present economic climate.
Its obvious that wealthy oil men, or Russian billionaires would not see Boro as a 'going concern'. It seems therefore that the very popular Keith Lamb, was only stating the obvious when talking about the team we could afford. Sorry, Ive lost myself a bit now and havn't got time to preview so I'll end now.
PS. I dont know if its true or not, but my friends cousins sisters bosses uncle has it on good authority, that whilst flying over Teesside, Kaka liked the look of the area so much that he's contemplating buying out his contract at Milan and signing for the Boro. Just our luck though, he'll probably fail the medical.
New signings or no new signings, it's irrelevant to me as Mr Southgate had enough fit and available players for the Blackburn game, but he chose a poor, negative team to settle for a draw before kick-off and he never tried to win the game throughout.
He may care deeply about MFC, but he's a scared man, a rabbit in the headlights, who's decision making is that of a man at panic stations.
If Gareth doesn't have the bottle to attack teams we will go down! Playing for draws is all well and good, but we've scored only 18 goals in 24 games so far and some people think we will stay up, who's kidding who. Without goals we are gone!
Gareth is making McIdiot look like the tactical genius he thought he was!!
AV -
Whilst the season is not over, we do need to pick up more points than at least two other teams. I cannot see where those points are going to come from, because we have been conceding in nearly every match this match and there is nothing to suggest that this situation will change. I know it was a clean sheet on Saturday, but that could easily have been 3-0 and its unlikely we will get away with it again.
I can see possible victories against Portsmouth, Hull and Fulham at home and maybe another 2-3 points from draws, but that is it. We would finish the season on 33-34 points, which i doubt will be enough.
Then Southgate will have to walk - he did say that he wanted to be judged on this season - and even if we stay up by the skin of our teeth, his position must be untenable.
Martin Jol would obviously be a great pick, but unlikely. Gordon Strachan may be tempted back to the premiership, but only by an ambitious club. Hoddle, Souness, Curbishley, Jewell, Pardew are all options, but may not be popular ones. My personal choice would be Nigel Pearson, but only with a much more experienced assistant manager (for example, John Gorman as assistant).
Much is being made of the economic climate etc and the affects it is having on the club etc....
What I want to know is when Southgate took over was this model already in place? Was he aware that from that point MFC was no longer going to plough millions into the transfer market for over the hill journey men who give you the chance for instant success?
Did he know that the academy was going to be used as the backbone of the club and that the emphesis to use it would be leaned on more so than ever?
Answers on a postcard please......
My feelings are that no he didnt ,and that the club has shifted ground and left him with a massive challenge and job that even the shrewdest manager and wheeler dealer would find difficult. I have said before that for the model to work there needs to be a man at the helm who can run it from the top and have experience of dealing with this sort of financial restraint and working with in that budget.
Southgate in my opinion will be a very good manager but only if he has the financial support to bring in players that are technically gifted and that are between ages of 17 - 24 with one or two lavish buys mixed in to bring the experience needed to challenge and to bring the younger ones on.
MFC has changed and Southgates methods have had to adapt to the times but if its not his philosophy to play that way does he have full faith in himself and was this seige mentallity an underlying blast at the heirachy for financially handcuffing him?
The more i think about it and look at his comments he is coming across as a frustrated, lost soul and that is not Sareth Southgate the man, the leader the winner.
I want him to succeed i want him to be a top manager and i want him to be at Boro but can he do it and does he have the beleif and confidence to challenge those that knock him?????????
COME ON BORO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**AV writes: I think the intention WAS there from day one, even if the model had not yet started to be implemented. I think the fact that the club wanted to go down this route may well have been one of the factors in Martin O'Neill not being pursued beyond the initial talks or the German even getting that far. All the senior officials at the club are in agreement that a more prudent model is the only viable way of the club having a top flight future although they know it is strategy that brings risks.
An absolutely unbelievable result in the Gazette Live poll: Steve 'double-dutch' McClaren - winner of our only trophy and UEFA Cup finalist - was voted overwhelmingly more highly rated than either Bryan 'I need help' Robson or Gareth 'I won't walk' Southgate.
I look forward to further polls like: 'Who was the best brazilian to play for Boro? Doriva, Alves or Juninho'
Was this 'no lose' vote part of a campaign by McClaren's publicists to regain credibility or are the Gazette running out of ideas to find 'good news' Boro articles?
**AV writes: It shows that a few years for the dust to settle has helped Steve McClaren be rehabilitated. Two years ago when his name still provoked torrents of four letter bile from gentle old nanas ago he would have trailed in a poor third behind Hitler and Saddam Hussain. For schure.
Smoggy In Exile - while you may not feel "we are stuck with what we've got", a lot of them are stuck with us! Downing, Tuncay and O'Neill all apparently want out, as did Mido, and the rest of the team will know this, dragging everyone down.
The rest of the experienced midfield either GS doesn't rate or don't want to play for him, hence the choice of the kids in central midfield, perhaps GS thought that they were the only ones willing/able to put a shift in.
So, from the midfield we have Shawky and Arca not rated, (get rid / benchwarming) Downing, Tuncay and ONeill off regardless at the end of the season, leaving Johnson and Digard to build a team round.
Saving the club from relegation is possible but only if the wantaways can be motivated to play, and the message can be spread to the rest of the team that everyone's up for it.
Combine this with a nice sensible team selection and a midfield that's encouraged to go forwards, play the ball to the wide men, and strikers in correct positions up front, and we have a chance.
If that is the case AV then surely O'Neill or the German would have been far better candidates? The excuse at the time was the back room staff had to be kept on whoever came in.
If we are to survive on this model then surely the academy has to be producing premier league footballers to sustain the model and the emphasis on 1st team coaches and manager is to harness that talent and produce a near perfect end product?
Therefore the academy coaches are pivotal in this succeeding and the manager has to implement the club strategy football wise from the very top.
There is no chance that had O'Neill signed MFC would be in this predicament right now, his ability, his experience, his class would not have allowed it plus his coaching team would have provided invaluable support.
Compared to the current set up it is in contrast to the fortunes at Villa. we may not have been in villas position but who knows?
**AV writes: But O'Neill has spent ã90m at Villa in just over two years. That is why he went there and not to Boro. He had his choice of jobs when he left Celtic and although he was interested enough to talk to Boro he didn't want to be in at the start of what could be a five year project. He wanted a crack at building a team to challenge for honours quickly and on a big budget. You can't blame him for that.
The team selection for the Blackburn game WAS mystifying, frustrating, or just plain bad. It was all of those things and signalled that the team was being selected out of fear and by a manager who needs some experienced help quickly.
The transfer window IS now closed so we go with what we've got, and in my opinion what we've got SHOULD be good enough even now.
The premiership IS gradually being 'bought out' by billionair's, so leaving less and less room for clubs run by mere millionaire's.
Steve Gibson HAS bankrolled the club for the last 14 years, giving us supporters the best 14 years we've ever had. Now due to the economic situation in the world this level of financial support is no longer possible.
Maybe SG CAN'T get rid of GS even if he wanted to. He'd have to pay up his contract (clubs usually do this, SG did with Robbo), a new manager would need a substantial contract, his own backroom staff (more contracts to pay up and new ones to provide). A new manager would also want significant money to spend in the summer. I just don't think that the club has the money to do all this.
I posted last season that what we were seeing at Boro were the 'good times'. The trouble with good times is that they don't last forever and we at Boro should know that better than most. God knows when you've seen a team managed by Raich Carter get relegated to the old third division you know what bad times are.
We ARE stuck with what we've got so we may as well make the best of it. Let's try and keep the club in the premiership (even if for just one more season), but if we do end up in the championship then we have to make the best of that too.
This is all just part of being a Boro fan and I hope next season if we are in the championship large numbers will renew their season tickets, I know I will.
But let's turn up and give it all we've got to keep the club up.
WE ARE NOT DOWN YET.
Just a quick one. I lost a large post into the ether as well last night, but that cannot be blamed on the Internet Explorer browser, as I use Mozilla !!
**AV writes: Me too. *sigh*
MacClaren was a dead man walking when he got the England job.
He had done his job but couldnt take us any further, the alleged back room rebellions amongst the troops bear witness to that. True or not the damage was done. Gibbo and Lamb going on air comment enough on the situation.
The squad needed totally reshaping whether Mac stayed or not. I repeat yet again the league form was pants long before Eindhoven, the players couldnt be roused for bread and butter games. That was the type of squad we had. Ageing and expensive.
A similar process may have been followed with Mac still here but (hopefully AV will back me up if he can remember) even when people were calling for Macs head my view was that he was going whatever at the end of the season and no purpose would be served in sacking him mid season. The bonus was the FA giving us some money as well.
The project since has become somewhat derailed.
Don't put too much faith in Trinity Mirror, I work on the 22nd floor of Canary Wharf and the Mirror's own website can barely be accessed in the newsroom by the backbench.
**AV writes: Ssssshh. Are you trying to get me sacked? We'll see how good the dreaded IT Stasi are if they track your IP and you get dragged kicking and screaming from your desk tomorrow.
"We are all of the consensus that the manager and backroom staff need to be changed."
I'm not. I want him to stay at least till the end of his contract.
Martin Jol? Have a look at the Bundesliga table. Hamburg are challenging for the title. They beat Bayern just last week. They are home to a 2nd div club in the cup quarter finals and are going along nicely in the UEFA Cup. Why on earth would he even consider swapping all that for Boro?
Thanks for that Tall Paul. When you were born in the Boro dragged up listening to stories of the legendary Wilf Mannion your heart is always close to home.
But you know, when I trained for my F.A.Badges I was taught that coaches made players and managers made teams.Gareth does neither.
My father loved the BORO, I love the Boro and my son loves the Boro. We like you and all the other great Boro fans only want to see the BORO do well. But this I am sure of, Southgate will only do harm to this club we love every day he stays.
As for young Cattlermole, he will prove whos right if he hasnt already.7th remember not 19th. Oh one plus, living away from my bonny Boro I get to watch lots of games from the premiership and around Europe. Helps to get a balanced view. SOUTHGATE OUT.
Over on the Gazette's "Boro Forum" board there is a thread asking people to declare now the total points they expect Boro to score this season, along with a Y/N on whether they expect us to survive the drop.
It seems to echo the balance of opinion on this blog, with a majority committed to the cause and ready to hope against hope that there will be a turnaround and we'll survive, somehow.
As an incorrigible foam-hander, my own prediction is for us to score 38 points.
As a hard-headed gambling man, I predict that our 38 pts will leave us in 18th place and that we will go down.
My gut-feeling is that salvation lies in GS reverting to his (early season) winning strategy of going for broke and playing the best attacking side Boro can muster.
My dread is that we will try to eke out survival with low-score draws, finish 18th and then go down on goal difference.
Sadly, on the evidence, I have to predict my dread result.
Will people stop saying we have some easy/important games coming up in March. We had 3 very important games in the last 3 weeks Sunderland/WBA/Blackburn and now City on Saturday....total points so far 2...god we even got beat 3-0 by the bottom club. The run of games other than Chelsea is as "easy" as you could get.
Time to deliver starting at City on Saturday.....up the Boro!!
The below 21 points from our last 14 games I reckon would definitely guarantee safety at 43 points come the end of the season. Drop 4 of those points and I'm not so certain, drop 5 and I reckon we are over and out.
Man City (A) 1 point
Wigan (H) 3 Points
Liverpool (H) 0 points
Spurs (A) 1 point
Pompey (H) 3 points
Stoke (A) 1 point
Bolton (A) 1 point
Hull (H) 3 points
Fulham (H) 3 points
Arsenal (A) 1 point
Man U (H) 0 Points
Newcastle (A) 3 points
Villa (H) 1 point
WHU (A) 0 points
The question is what is Gareth going to change to ensure we Win 5, Draw 6 and lose only 3? What is absolutely certain is that we need to score goals otherwise we are finished and playing 5 Centre Backs is definitely not the answer.
Perhaps Gareth hasn't done the forecasting part of his Badges yet (as Saturday indicated very clearly). If so then I hope someone at a senior level in the club takes accountability and responsibility to achieve the above as an absolute minimum.
A point I would make to Steve Gibson is that as a businessman you do not get yourself into these situations, and its not as if he couldn't see it coming!
1. Mozilla is often better (having been first enouraged to use it on this site!)though I might have chanced my arm on IE this time!
2. Redcar Red at 9.46pm suggests we are going suddenly to start showing UEFA Cup qualifying form (after showing relegation form recently). I had a look at the same fixtures and dropped 4 points from his suggestions - my optimism coming to the fore! But that still gives us 39 points. I bet most of us would settle for 39 points right now (when it seems almost a distant dream).
I guess it might well keep us up.
How many words does a picture say - well my belated take of last weekends Foxsports highlights told me in volumes that we were about the poorest team on view, maybe Portsmouth edged us.
Compared to say Stoke, Hull, WBA, Bolton and our two dreaded neighbours we offered almost no attacking fizz,guile or strength. The others had at least one of these qualities. And as compared to the top bunch we are in a different league.
Except for the angst of their respective supporters it's unlikely to make any forseeable difference to the EPL as a competition whichever three of the bottom dozen clubs go down. But on Saturday's evidence unless we can quickly switch on to an EPL worthy level, we are heading to makeway for someone else to have a try.
John in Aus
Unless Southgate starts putting a more attacking line up out we will only get a draw at best as once the ball goes forward it soon comes back again as there is no support and no body to pass to to retain possession.
In the cup last night, even before Lucas was sent of for Liverpool , Everton were getting forward in numbers and pushing Liverpool back big time- they deservedly went on to win it.
I would rather us lose trying to win it rather than try and get 10 clean sheets in a row.
Southgate is a defender and it is in his nature to blame defending. Gareth , if we score 1 more goal that the opposition then we get 3 points.
Lets have it!
AV
Surely O'Neill must have been set a 5 year plan at villa? They were nearly relegated a few season back and were swapping managers all over the shop. This will be his 3rd year and yes I agree he has spent a lot of money but would you not agree he has spent it wisely? He buys players to go with a set style of play and also a set formation.
Also the players he has bought the transfer fees aren't a million miles from what we have paid in recent times. We must have spent half of that ã90m in the 3 years southgate has been at then helm? The only difference is that in the last year he has splashed a bit more on players that he needs to make the team work: Heskey, Young x 2 but we already have downing, so no need to buy.
We had Yak, Viduka, JFH, would you swap Rochemback for Petrov? The teams in my oppinion are not a million miles apart and we showed that beating them at Villa Park earlier.
The point im making is that for the MFC model to work the money spent and players bought have got to be in line with that model and the way the team is set up to play.
Southgate said he wanted young, energetic, pacey attacking football with youngsters that have something to prove blah blah blah.
Where does Alves fit into that? Yes he is a goal threat but not in this league and his stature is not in the same mold as Heskey or Carew. King is in line with what you need but nowhere near consistent enough and that is the problem. The manager needs to instill the confidence to perform and with that comes the consistence.
I'll stick my neck out and say that on paper Boro are no worse than Aston Villa player for player....
I'm worried AV, has anybody called the emergency services to see if Redcar Red is able to feed himself or even get out of the house since he developed those massive foam hands?
Perhaps we should have seen the signs earlier but to think Boro are about to start a run of one defeat in 10 games shows all of the classic symptoms.
In fact he could have only written the post if he'd stood on a chair and typed two-fingered using a ten foot keyboard.
Mr Agnew in today's Gazette has just outlined the we are going to try and stay up by drawing every game between now and the end of the season.
Is the Boro management the only group of people in existence who believe that we can survive relegation with another 14 points? Even this will only happen if the opposition doesn't score past us at all for the remainder of the season - so no chance then.
His interview seems to suggest that scoring the occasional goal would be nice, but isn't exactly a priority. Well just have a look at our players & fans faces during a match when the opposition score and they know we have no way back into the game.
There's far too much use of the word 'confidence' as to why we're doing so badly. Mostly this is absolute tosh. Put the ball at the feet of two strikers 30 times a match with a genuine shooting opportunity and even the least confident team will get two or three goals.
When you are doing anything and things aren't going right you get your head down and keep on doing the things you know will work. Knuckling down, working hard and producing positive attacking play will get us goals, and we need goals to win enough points to stay up.
Regarding the posting issue that's also being brought up, may I suggest no a solution, but a remedy that may help? Once posters are finished typing, right click on the box and click copy, so if the post is lost it can be easily reposted immediately without a massive amount of typing. I know its not a proper solution, but it may ease some of the frustration a little.
David Morrison suggests we "must have spent half of that ã90m in the 3 years southgate has been at the helm". I would agree with you to a degree.
What you fail to recognise is that an equally large sum has been recouped by player sales. If you look at the last 18 months, you will see that the net spend of the club is less than ã2m. Villa have been building a larger, quality squad without having to sell players to pay for new purchases. Also, if we have spent "half" the money of Villa, surely we can only expect a team that is "half" as good ?
Do not get me wrong, I rate Mr O Neill as one of the best managers in Britain & I believe our Chairman made a massive mistake in not doing everything possible to secure his services, when he had the chance. We may be in a better position now had he taken the job, but to suggest he would have got us into the top 6 in the PL, on the budget GS has been handed is ridiculous.
Onto the reason for my posting today. I was wondering exactly what the club will have to say at their FA hearing into the charge of failing to control the players.
I suggest we put forward the point that thus far this season we have been one of the few clubs who could truthfully say they have done their best to uphold the FA's "respect campaign". At the first lapse, we have the book thrown at us by the FA, when we are all aware a "big 4" club would receive no punishment for the same offence.
We should suggest leniency is shown as a gesture of goodwill by the FA for our efforts prior to that lapse. If that is not forthcoming, we should inform them that our policy will be abandoned & from now on every single decision will be contested, as well as every refereeing error ridiculed in the post match interview. Being nice has got us nowhere this season, it is time to be nasty !!
In a similar vein, I would be tempted to point out just how the rules can be changed when these "big 4" clubs are involved. With the impending return of Digard, I notice that the offence he was sent off for is now no longer deemed worthy of a red card. He saw red for a challenge where, although he won the ball & barely touched the opposition player, he was dismissed because he went into the challenge with studs showing. All season we have been told by the authorities that is a straight red card offence. Thus, the club would not challenge the card, in case it was deemed frivolous by our old chums in Soho.
All change this week. A portly England International, playing for one of the FA's beloved London based "big 4" flew into a challenge with his studs two feet off the ground & facing the opposition player. He receives the customary red card, but his club have the balls to appeal to our old chums. All of a sudden, this "studs raised" unwritten rule is no longer in force & the pie munching media darling has his red card stricken from history.
The double standards shown by the FA make me seeth with rage & I believe it is high time for another Steve Gibson tabloid exclusive, where he can let the country know his feelings. (Not that it will do any good, other than raising a smile in my house).
"The biggest investment this summer - whatever division - should be on ripping apart the entire scouting network and replacing it with the best, most extensive and pro-active system money can buy."
I disagree totally with this AV because as some of the excellent posters on here have pointed out the problems created are a result of abject, inept, hapless, weak, unintelligent and a spineless management.
Whether high paid foreign imports, steady away domestic pros or promising academy products, every player at this club is under achieving and there is no way with this quality of squad should we be struggling.
The examples of Cattermole and Morrison achieving somewhere near their potential that was largely untapped under Southgate speaks volumes.
No the answer is obvious to the vast majority of Boro fans who possess half a brain; Gibbo needs to spend any money he can afford, or scrape together by paying up the contracts on this manager and his hopeless back room team and get people in that can organise, motivate, direct and orchestrate the undoubted talent that is at our disposal now.
There is not a lot wrong (just the basics, like how to head a ball properly) that anybody with experience and a decent track record in football management could not put right with immediate effect.
Is Gibbo's reluctance to make this hard nosed decision based on economic considerations or does his ego and much trailed, highly respected standing within the sycophantic football media mean more to him at this present time ?
G.S is getting all the flak and obviously deserves most of it. However does any body else have the feeling that somebody else is probably either, making the muddled, misguided and over complicated team selections and tactics, or influencing him heavily to make these baffling judgements?
Mr Crosby perhaps ? If my suspicions are founded, it's little wonder that we get such third rate performances because his track record in management is limited and decidedly third rate.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Werdermouth, if only I would read the labels on the side of those bottles before typing, that way I wouldn't have fallen off the stool!
Sadly my foam hands have long since lost their infrastructure and like our strike force, are crumbling rapidly. Regarding us going 10 games and only losing one, I reckon there is more chance of me building 11 Snowmen tonight, putting red shirts on them, transporting them to Eastlands for Saturday lunchtime, playing them in a 4,3,3 formation and winning 4-0.
Ah well here I am sat in my wellies, bags of carrots and coal, scarves at the ready, just staring out the window waiting for those flakes to start falling. Mind you Gareth's tactics are probably far more sophisticated (oh no its those little pink ones in the bottle taking effect again).
I am staggered that David Morrison thanks that Aston Villa are no better than Boro. Are you touched?
In regard to the technical stuff, any attempt at trying to read the Gazette website as a whole is becoming an increasingly slow job. Could it be that there are too many adverts trying to load up? Shame if that's the case because I for one will soon give up trying and will thus never see the adverts in the first place!
However, in regard to football, your ringing out of the telephone in Lamb's office together with the reference to the missed call were spot on, AV, so well done and keep it coming! The truth will out!
Matt: double standards? At the FA? Surely you can't be serious!
Unfortunately, you are, and you're bang on right. A professional organisation where the chief exec of Chelsea, Arsenal and (I think) Man Utd are prominent members is never going to be fair and equitable.
On the subject of punishing the big 4 I also have vague recollections that one England "star" grumbled that the FA was mistreating him and wondered whether it was actually worth bothering to play for his country. The FA would never risk this!
On a slightly less speculative level, the FA rely on Messrs Fatpard, "Elbows" Terry, Cashley Cole and Stevie "G" to represent them commercially, wearing the kit and standing in a pose which suggests they're a force to be reckoned with etc. They would never risk upsetting one of these stars and the associated risk that they may not perform in one of these commercial associations.
My genuine suggestion is that Gibson should get tapes of every Match of the Day this season and set some minion down to fast forward through them looking for instances of similar "failing to control players". I'm sure you could find 10-15 other examples on different scales which went unpunished. They should then take this along as DVD evidence and point out the double standards.
Mind you, if we're so impertinent as to prove the FA are a bunch of useless sods with dodgy double standards, we might end up with a point deduction...
Boronia on over-drive...
Lampard was sent off by our friend Mike Riley (who cant spot two footed penalties - fine chap). He made his decision from behind Lampard, when he saw it again from sideways on later he rescinded his red card. He had played the ball well before Alonso arrived, Alonso actually kicked him.
As an advocate of using video evidence retrospectively I have no quibbles with that at all. It was also used to let off Paul Robinson of West Brom but that looked a well dodgy challenge launched from row Z of the stand. Oddly Mowbray, when he launched the appeal, had a go at 'pally' referees favouring the big teams.
The biggest culprit is Stevie G. In the first half of the match against Chelsea he deliberately drove the ball from a few yards into the Chelsea player lying on the floor. Riley smiled tapped him on the shoulder and carried on, didnt happen like that for Delap the day before. Shortly afterwards he launched himself and went a good foot over the ball into a Chelsea player. No action apart from the smile for Stevie G. Even Andy Gray said the armband was protecting him. Then there was the appalling dive that got him booked, he shouldnt have been there to do it.
Rooney is an appalling example to all young players with his foul mouthed abuse and some dodgy tackles. The problem for him is possibly his background where maybe abusive language is not abusive. We have all sat at matches where we have cringed at some of the language going on around us so we have to be aware where it comes from. But he is paid more than enough to moderate it. One clear way to help is to allow him to spend time reflecting on his language whilst Sir Alex whispers in his shell like that he isnt much use sat in the stands!
I am quite happy for players to be brought to book for their actions by video evidence, goodness knows, I have posted often enough about it. Boronoia is another thing. Mascerano getting Aliadiere sent off and having no sanctions against him is wrong, Luke Young conceding a 'penalty' at Villa are excellant, valid reasons for Boronoia.
Tosh
I presume your speculation on the role of Crosby (who?) is based on the 'too many cooks/horse designed by committee' appearance of what happens on the field. Judging by the results that we see, you could well be right.
Whatever, it's certainly not in 'problem shared/halved' territory. Problem doubled, more like.
If Crosby (who?) is the 'eminence grise' then we'd have to treat 'eminence' here as an oxymoron and 'grise' as having far too much colour and substance.
I see Gate has confirmed now what many of us have been saying for weeks - that the Transfer Window 'derailed us a bit'. You don't say!
Also that 'we'll only know whether the stance the club took was right at the end of the season'. I think we'll know well before that. And it wasn't one stance it was four or five before and during January. That was one thing that put the blockage on the tracks that threatens derailment.
To finish it off he come up with another statement of the flippin' obvious - that Boro's league position might have had something to do with two decidedly average Championship midfielders turning a move to Boro down.
Whilst this stuff offers some confirmation of what many of us have been saying, if you couple it with the 'rallying cry' pieces from players and coaches you begin to wish that MFC and its footballing employees would take a Trappist vow, at least until they've got something - like a win - that means enough to talk about.
What happens on the park should do the talking. Unfortunately, when you've deciphered the 'mixed (up) messages' that Tosh referred to the Boro voice at the moment is saying 'Drop'.
Time to stand up and be counted - starting tomorrow. Then there'll be something to say.
C'mon Boro!!
It's not about who we did or didn't get this January, although the Harper story is just another humiliating episode for the chairman, the club and the supporters (maybe if the chairman's farm had sold it would have made a bit of difference, if Mrs Gibson concurred). Southgate must be pig sick.
No the real story is about some Boro supporters thinking that Big Mac was a manager at all, never mind best of the last three. If it hadn't been for Big Mac's disastrous transfer policies, some mentioned in the article, but in particular the Spanish superstar, however unfortunate, and the unforgettable Massimo plus not being able to get the Aussie -hit man on the field, and so on and so on, PLUS the despicable ejection of Juninho, then the club would probably be on a sounder footing. Big Mac just proved the critics right in his time as England manager.
But it must not be forgotten that the chairman and his henchman were complicit in all this, and the big payoffs to Big Mac's woeful staff. What Southgate has achieved under the constant crisis situation he has worked under is the best achievement and he's played some good football too.
Robbo and Big Mac were like spoiled kids with too much easy money (sounds like the country as a whole) and we know who gave them all the goodies.
So we're left with Alves, who can do the stuff, and a team who can't consistently supply chances to him or anyone else. For the sake of ã1m or so the situation might have changed.
I think the January transfer window will be abolished, because what good does it serve? Man City will buy themselves a European spot this season, was the shout. What a joke.
A losing streak has to come to an end at some stage and letâÂÂs hope it is tomorrow.
I think the goal differences after tomorrow will be as seen below.
Hull City â 22
West Brom - 25
Stoke City - 19
The Boro.. â 18
Posters debating the recinding of Frank Lampard (and SW Phillips) red card :
Are we missing one very important point?
As far as I recall Boro did not appeal against Digard's red card. Chelsea and City did so. Who is at fault? The FA or the club for not appealing?
As for tomorrow's game, it goes without saying that we really need to get something out of this game. I fear that if we lose the confidence will be shot to pieces for the rapidly approaching run in.
Incidentally, talking about the "run in", where will Gary O'Neil's interests lie when we play Pompey? Just a thought. No accusations of course.
Pat Mc
Smoggy in Exile is absolutely`right. Boro didn't appeal against Digard's red card because we've had our fingers burned once before with the "frivolous" appeal over Aliadiere.
Apart from one or 2 lower league clubs (Hartlepool?) we are I think the only Prem club to suffer this fate. John Terry's appeal frivolous? Yer jokin arnt yer? He's the England captain!! And let us never forget the 3 points and the season in the Prem the FA took off us.
Now I'm watching the Sean Wright-Phillips case with interest. If that isn't a frivolous appeal, then I don't know what is! If he doesn't get an extra game's ban then I think we all collectively have to write to the FA to express our disgust, with Steve Gibson leading the charge.
Less talk from players and backroom staff in the Gazette before games, and more talking from the players by their performances on the pitch, please.
It is still possible to avoid the drop. But we have to start NOW. Fingers crossed for the Manchester City game tomorrow.
"Boro face dillema in the middle", Paul Gannon Evening Gazette???
What dillemma? It's as obvious as the nose on Gareth Southgate's face, if he is going to play a mid 4, play O'Neil and Digard, keep Walker as a standby with the option to push O'Neil out right if Jonno isn't cutting it.
On the other "selection problems", get Hoyte back in and stop this ridiculus Wheater at right back rubbish, play King and Alves in a standard 4-4-2 and drop Tuncay to the bench, he's not playing well, but he would give options if things aren't working out up front.
However after saying all that Southgate will probably play one striker with either a back 5 or a middle 5 regardless of what we think.
Whoever is running our club right now has ripped the heart out of it....Considering that the area is built on steel, not much is on show during games....Whoever is running our club right now is now working on it's soul.